IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-04-29
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07:54:26 <TrueBrain> yesterday I updated xfce4.6 ... today I don't have a 'start menu'
07:54:51 <Forked> what will you do tomorrow? :)
07:55:39 <TrueBrain> the same day as I do ever day Pinky
08:04:06 <TrueBrain> # It's a small world after all
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08:30:44 <el_en> congratulations germany for your first swine flu infection.
08:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> confirmed or suspected
08:32:35 <el_en> confirmed, says the biggest finnish newspaper.
08:34:06 <TrueBrain> and what do they know?
08:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> everything i read about swine flu told me that no "swine" ever had swine flu
08:34:36 <TrueBrain> here we call it the "pig flu"
08:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "Schwein" is the german word for "pig"
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08:45:54 <TrueBrain> look mom, I can change the cases of my name all the time
08:46:01 <el_en> nick flood spam, worth a kick.
08:46:16 <TrueBrain> el_en: here we don't kick; we warn, then kick :p
08:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so you warned... now you can safely kick ;)
08:46:56 <TrueBrain> @kick kingj nick flood (blame el_en, Forked and Eddi|zuHause for this kick)
08:46:56 *** kingj was kicked by DorpsGek (nick flood (blame el_en, Forked and Eddi|zuHause for this kick))
08:47:20 <Forked> can't blame me. I have no voting rights on such matters here. ;-)
08:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause> rule 1: always have someone else to blame :p
08:48:01 <TrueBrain> still it feel better if people can blame me for me kicking them
08:48:04 <Forked> no I don't. You only listen to me if it suits you and it gives you a chance to share the blame or blame it on others :)
08:48:20 <TrueBrain> this kick isn't as much fun as a few others I did
08:48:26 <TrueBrain> then again ... kingj is not named yorick
08:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the fun with kicks is purely situational
08:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to be in the right mood, with the proper buildup
08:50:28 <TrueBrain> finding documentation on 16bit stuff is hard
08:50:39 <TrueBrain> mostly because you are searching for terms like: 16bit, ds, ss, bx ...
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09:08:47 <petern> now in 16 bits as they've fallen apart
09:11:44 <petern> hmm, can i send an ansi sequence to rename a screen window?
09:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the only ressource i have on ansi sequences is my DOS 5.0 manual
09:13:50 <petern> hmm, ESC]2;<string>BEL to set window title in xterm...
09:15:30 <petern> it passes straight through screen and sets putty's window title
09:15:31 <TrueBrain> somehow I now see petern trying to type in his shell the letters E S C ] 2 ...
09:15:58 <petern> no, i'd rather do: echo -e "\033]0;test\007"
09:17:26 <petern> echo -e "\033ktesting\033\\"
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09:26:45 <petern> put a wrapper around ssh
09:29:22 * blathijs puts that in his .profile
09:30:46 <TrueBrain> at least someone who is happy :p
09:31:13 <blathijs> I was planning to figure out how to do this for a while now, so thanks for saving me time :-)
09:31:41 <blathijs> Now I can easily see which screen window is logged in to which vserver :-)
09:34:47 <TrueBrain> yesterday I crashed an ESXi machine
09:34:57 <TrueBrain> it was doing some heavy IO load ... and ... it failed :s
09:37:47 <petern> "Do any of you have any thank you emails or emails that are complimentary
09:37:48 <petern> as I need to file these for our audits."
09:38:03 <petern> people only complain, duh
09:40:22 <TrueBrain> and I have a problem who manages to read 0x21, and output 0x2D
09:45:47 <TrueBrain> I take programs very personal
09:51:19 <dihedral> hillarious, guy in the forums searching for 'path' as he does not know how to apply the diff he has :-D
09:51:32 <dihedral> "so how i add a diff,\path file?"
10:01:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16182 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix: hardcoded (old sized) MAX_COMPANIES constant
10:03:34 <dihedral> hehe - that was an old line :-D
10:11:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16183 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2872]: wrong string alignment for error messages with face
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12:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have a friend, who has a friend, who came from finland and said these words, now he wonders what they might mean: "saksassa, rakas...mä oon saksassa..........voi jumalauta helvetin perse......."
12:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> all i could read out of there was "germany"
12:13:06 <Forked> where do you see germany in there? :p
12:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> "saksassa" is derived from "Sachsen" (one of the germanic tribes)
12:15:36 <glx> "helvetin" related to "swiss" maybe
12:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause> where's el_en when you need him?
12:16:25 <TrueBrain_> Eddi|zuHause: it reads that you are an ass
12:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but it is really not related to me ;)
12:17:54 <glx> google says hevetin -> hell
12:18:50 <glx> "In Germany, my dear ... I'm in Germany .......... can goddamn ass hell"
12:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, someone mentioned his dictionary said "Pala helvetin tulessa!" means "burn in hell"
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12:21:32 <glx> "En Allemagne, mon cher ... je suis en Allemagne .......... peut goddamn ass enfer" <-- that''s a proof google use English as intermediate ;)
12:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that is not news ;)
12:36:42 <dihedral> can Alain not join irc?
12:36:54 <dihedral> i want to be able to tell him how fucking annoying i find him :-P
12:37:38 <Forked> instead you can tell me how annoying I am :)
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12:47:06 <petern> you're annoying, he's annoying, i'm annoying, we're all annoying!
12:47:34 <TrueBrain_> no, he has a good point
12:48:12 <Forked> an annoying point, obviously
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13:31:10 <Belugas> petern, i've been working on with Reaper yesterday, trying to remix the recordings. I finally found a way to do so.
13:31:58 <Belugas> no biggy :) i can redo it, I understand the system now :)
13:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos Reaper...
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13:39:05 <Belugas> or something alike...
13:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no... the TV series...
13:39:56 * Belugas is spending evenings on computer screens and music instruments nowaday
13:44:37 <Belugas> mmh... I lied a little bit... watching Ugly Betty, Dr House and light stuff alike while my Mistress is still awake
13:45:08 <petern> so who thinks 'ugly betty' is actually ugly...
13:45:25 <petern> rather than just wearing fake ill-fitting braces...
13:47:44 <el_en> if she was ugly-ugly, people wouldn't like her.
13:48:04 <Belugas> #No you can't take that away from me!
13:48:18 <petern> is she a pretty hate machine?
13:48:52 <Belugas> #She's a woman in love!
13:50:15 <el_en> petern: now that we have beautiful ugly people on telly, people know they can tolerate ugly people.
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13:55:04 <Belugas> she's not ugly, actualy. in natural, of course
14:14:41 <welshdragon> is there any plans to port openttd to android?
14:14:53 <welshdragon> i have a g1 so can be a beta tester
14:16:05 <welshdragon> oh, found the forum post
14:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> beta testers are only useful once there's a beta
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16:51:54 <fjb> This Alain guy is completely unreadable.
16:53:07 <Belugas> he's on his cell phone. That explains.
16:53:25 <Belugas> So if ever you feel like doing a lot of mistakes, blame it on your fone
16:53:39 <petern> or your overclocked pc
16:53:47 <fjb> Doesn't explain why he doesn't use "." and ","
16:53:53 <Belugas> or your overloaded one :D
16:54:52 * Belugas is programming an extension to a sacred rule that specifies that a CashZ session is only valid for a day
16:55:33 <Belugas> unfortunately no, it just makes noise of a head banging a desk
16:55:46 <Belugas> ho... and some gloo gloo too
16:55:46 <fjb> How about making reality only valid for a day? :-)
16:56:32 <Belugas> tell that to the Indians of Cleveland who decided that a game can finish after midnight
16:58:11 <fjb> Some games never finish...
16:58:45 <Belugas> yeah... and some guys want a day lasting an hour or something alike :S
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17:20:59 * petern installs a ton more software synths
17:32:18 * Belugas can't wait to "taste" them
17:33:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16184 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt french.txt polish.txt simplified_chinese.txt):
17:33:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-29 17:32:47
17:33:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 6 changed by kristjans (6)
17:33:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: french - 10 fixed by glx (10)
17:33:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: polish - 17 fixed by xaxa (17)
17:33:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 25 fixed, 6 changed by ww9980 (31)
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18:04:02 <Wolf01> why does bananas want to make me to download all the intermediate versions of a grf?
18:06:35 <frosch123> e.g. general avion depends on av8 v 1.4 (or similiar; the old version)
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20:26:45 <fjb> I have a wish for autoupgrade. Could wagon removal be made group specific instead of global?
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20:29:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16185 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp:
20:29:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Moving the ShowNewGRFStateWidgets and AddNewGRFWindowWidgets widget enums outside their window structs.
20:29:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Improvements to the _newgrf_add_dlg_widgets and _newgrf_widgets widget arrays in preparation for nested widgets.
20:30:12 <fjb> No, it isn't. When I'm changing it in one group all the other groups are changing too.
20:32:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16186 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Adding nested widgets to _newgrf_desc and _newgrf_add_dlg_desc window descriptions.
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20:34:38 <petern> my patch stuck on my pc is obsolete!
20:35:16 <Alberth> unfortunately, I am running out of 'easy' windows to convert :)
20:36:19 <Alberth> yeah something like 30 or so
20:36:33 <TrueBrain> la la la la PAMPEDAM!!!
20:38:19 <Belugas> 20 minutes to go... dunno if it wheel bee enuf
20:42:38 <TrueBrain> adf88 is ignorant ... I tell him in very clear words to use strtoll over the stupid istringstream .. but no .. mister still wants to use istringstream (for no clear reason what so ever). I tried a last time to make him very clear that that approach is stupid :p
20:42:40 <TrueBrain> but oh well .. who am I :)
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20:45:13 <Belugas> TrueBrain, it's the same story all over the place... I wonder what devs think of it. Telling them and it's hell breaking loose
20:46:09 <TrueBrain> at least richk gets his right ... we are arrogant :p
20:48:19 <frosch123> there is even a self-confessing "idiot" in the dev team
20:48:53 <frosch123> hmm, three with DorpsGek
20:49:03 <Belugas> add me to the list, please
20:49:37 <frosch123> Belugas: READ THE TOPIC, OUT OF HERE! :p
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20:51:16 <Belugas> i'm an idiot, since i claim war to realisticalization of OpenTTD!
20:53:52 <Prof_Frink> Down with realism! I want my flying trains!
20:54:17 <frosch123> and trains before 1730
20:54:21 <Wolf01> OTTD is a game, and a game must remain, but I really want newobjects to make my maps more eyecandy, and that rocket propelled locomotive suggested in the forum
20:55:35 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: Flying trains before 1730.
20:55:46 <Wolf01> would be possible in the future to define a smoke effect via grf?
20:58:37 <Belugas> now... something more important to add :
20:58:43 <Belugas> it's time for me to go home
20:59:13 <Wolf01> a rocket propelled locomotive would need a flame like effect :)
20:59:35 <Alberth> and a blackened first wagon :)
21:01:09 <Wolf01> but what I really want to see implemented is the collision system for all the 4 transport kinds
21:02:54 <Wolf01> not only pass-through ships aren't realistic, but they don't give enough challenge to be considered... they are only slow
21:04:40 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: What should happen if a bus traveling at 1mph hits a stationary train?
21:05:43 <Wolf01> a crash, I don't want it to be realistic at all, if one thing hits another thing, doesn't matter at which speed, it crashes
21:06:03 <Wolf01> and always about ships, what's about avoiding to give go-to buoy orders? I think it's better a system where you set the go-to orders to the docks, and buoys works like junctions on the rails, automatically they find the nearest buoy in the direction of the next destination
21:06:44 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Hmm, what if in crashing, the bus hits another bus?
21:07:04 <frosch123> wasn't someone(tm) going to code manual crashes for stuck vehicles?
21:07:23 <SmatZ> frosch123: I have it coded for long time
21:07:51 <SmatZ> "crash on request by player" that is
21:07:56 <Wolf01> eh, to avoid that you need new features like stop at road crossings, keep safe distance between vehicles etc
21:08:10 <frosch123> SmatZ: can you fix the game in fs#2833 with it?
21:08:24 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: Call it what it is. Jihad button.
21:09:05 <SmatZ> frosch123: "fix" !Disconnecting road vehicle. probably not
21:09:14 <SmatZ> but "unstucking" vehicles can be done :)
21:09:55 <frosch123> SmatZ: You can load the game if you replace the error message with a _pause_game = 1. then you could kill the disconnected vehicle, couldn't you?
21:10:43 <SmatZ> frosch123: all you want is to destroy that stuck vehicle? why?
21:11:05 <frosch123> to make the user happy and close the task :p
21:11:26 <SmatZ> fixing user savegames != fixing the bug ;)
21:12:26 <Wolf01> gah... I tried to close the vehicle viewport in the screenshot
21:12:37 <SmatZ> frosch123: just add some "if (v->type == VEH_ROAD && v->unitnumber == 91 && v->owner == xxx) delete v" somewhere in AfterLoadGame ;)
21:12:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16187 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#2871]: do mark the "go to depot X" order fulfilled when reaching any depot, but only when reaching depot X.
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21:16:34 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ - later frosch123
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21:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try to get him :p
21:56:37 <dihedral> \o/ OpenTTDLib updated to support r16175 :-)
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22:25:27 <Nite_Owl> anyone remember the tune to the song "Born Fee"
22:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what "the tune" of a song is, but the melody was used in the madagascar soundtrack
22:29:04 <Nite_Owl> as in 'sung to the tune of Born Free'
22:29:17 <TrueBrain> who knows what 'repne stosb' does? (asm)
22:29:30 <TrueBrain> the official Intel Instruction Set tells me it is invalid :s
22:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, i have no clue about intel assembler ;)
22:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: that is not an explanation.
22:30:56 <Nite_Owl> okay - it is the melody or the music of...
22:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> see... that wasn't so difficult, was it?
22:31:25 <Nite_Owl> I was just going back to the way it use to be done in Mad Magazine
22:32:41 <Nite_Owl> whenever they did a song parody it was always "sung to the tune of..."
22:34:10 <Prof_Frink> One Sone To The Tune Of Another!
22:34:58 <Nite_Owl> Pizzly Bears or Growler Bears only work if the mother is a Grizzly Bear
22:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: just assume that i have never ever been in contact with "mad" in english...
22:36:06 <Nite_Owl> otherwise the hybrid baby bear will not be taught the inland places to hunt
22:37:20 <Nite_Owl> very true Eddi|zuHause - I sometimes forget the international nature of this room
22:38:26 <Nite_Owl> I will shut up now and go back to writing my song parody
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