IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-04-30
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01:45:39 <Markk> Now I've searched in both TT-forums and on google for a scenario called "Canus 1.0", but can't find it.
01:46:35 <Markk> What I want from it is a NewGRF that enables rivers that can be over sealevel
01:46:45 <Markk> Anyone know where I can get that?
01:47:21 <DaleStan> Scenarios do not contain newgrfs. "Use", yes. But not "contain".
01:47:31 <DaleStan> Also NewGRF cannot do that.
01:48:08 <DaleStan> So you can't get a newgrf by searching for a scenario.
01:48:34 <Markk> No, but I was looking for a explaination of what they're using
01:49:37 <DaleStan> If you don't have the scenario, then how do you know that it has rivers? And if you do, then from whence did you get it, and why don't you go there?
01:50:03 <DaleStan> And if you do, then from whence did you get it, and why don't you go there?
01:50:04 <Markk> I don't remeber where'd get it
01:50:31 <Markk> And that's why I'm asking if anyone knows what they're using
01:51:57 <Markk> Why must you take it sso litetally? :P
01:54:45 <DaleStan> <Markk> And that's why I'm asking if anyone knows what they're using <-- Yes. Someone knows.
01:55:13 <Markk> I found where I downloaded it from.
01:55:33 <Markk> I think that you are just like my gf:s father.
01:55:44 <Markk> That's not a good think.
01:56:26 <Markk> (This is when you should come with: "Oh, I'm so hurt")
01:56:52 <DaleStan> <sarcasm>Oh, I'm so hurt.</sarcasm>
01:57:14 <DaleStan> Also, have you considered that the possibility that they aren't using anything special?
01:58:00 <Markk> "OpenGFX-newLandscape v0.3 (you need the sub-arctic rivers)"
02:00:07 <DaleStan> No, it wasn't. NewGRF does not have the power to create rivers. It has the power to supply graphics for rivers, but not to create the rivers.
02:00:08 <DaleStan> Trust me. I don't merely know the spec. I *wrote* part of it.
02:00:41 <Markk> But as I said, do you have to take it so literally?
02:02:42 <Markk> (Playing in scenario editor
02:02:51 <Markk> Well, good night sir and gents.
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02:21:49 <glx> rivers are available in scenario editor, that's all
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07:47:16 <man9o0> wow so many ttd fans ^^
07:47:26 <TrueBrain> you expected anything else?
07:47:57 <man9o0> hi true i was just reading one of your postst
07:48:30 <TrueBrain> I always read with multiple threads
07:49:37 <man9o0> i just tried simutrans..sigh kind of a letdown
07:50:40 <man9o0> anyone know if transport giant or locomotion have any mods or cheats?
07:51:11 <Bjarni> you can control your trains in locomotions
07:51:16 <Bjarni> but I can't remember how
07:51:42 <el_en> isn't transport giant the one that sucks big time.
07:52:01 <man9o0> well both that and loco suck in my opinion
07:52:23 <man9o0> once you play ottd there just is no other game
07:52:37 <el_en> locomotion has a bad user interface in some respects, but it also has some nice ideas.
07:52:46 <Cybertinus> Sid Meiers RailRoads III is also very nice imo
07:52:48 <TrueBrain> if they suck, why do you want mods and cheats for them? :p
07:53:18 <man9o0> yes but chris sawyer spent 9 or 10 yrs writing locomotion and look how bad it turned out, its too much like the rollercoaster interface
07:53:39 <TrueBrain> I doubt he spend 10 years on it :p
07:53:54 <man9o0> well..the openttd mod for ttd made it 1000 times better so i figure if someone mods locomotion it may be 50 percent better
07:54:12 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: it is not a rewrite
07:54:15 <TrueBrain> it is an improvement!
07:54:30 <TrueBrain> a rewrite suggests it started from scratch or something
07:54:34 <man9o0> the general interface kept much of the original feel if not all of it
07:54:43 <Cybertinus> it a highly adapted version :)
07:54:58 <TrueBrain> Cybertinus: that is a nice description yes :)
07:55:12 <man9o0> hey is it allowed to upload a png to the forums which has a tiny bit of adult content in it??
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07:55:23 <TrueBrain> man9o0: check the forum rules
07:55:28 <TrueBrain> @kick TheJosh WRONG CHANNEL
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07:55:47 <el_en> man9o0: TTDPatch is still more advanced than OpenTTD.
07:55:51 <man9o0> i made a heightmap with a nude pic of kim possible lolol
07:56:11 <Bjarni> <man9o0> hey is it allowed to upload a png to the forums which has a tiny bit of adult content in it?? <-- what do you think?
07:56:20 <TrueBrain> el_en: by whos meassure?!
07:56:46 <man9o0> welll.....i mean one could put **this file has adult content** in front of the link lol
07:56:48 <Bjarni> el_en: which means it's not a valid source :P
07:57:15 <man9o0> all it is, is you see trees in the shape of cartoon breasts lol
07:57:19 <Bjarni> man9o0: that can be translated as "To all schoolkids: click here"
07:57:41 <man9o0> yes true..but arent most of the ppl in the forum over 18??
07:58:12 <man9o0> but kids can get porn off google just by clicking do not filter content
07:58:20 <Bjarni> besides say it's 90%, then 10% would be too young
07:58:48 <TheJosh> el_en: TTDPatch may be more advanced, but OpenTTD has more future, and the opportunity to completely escape the old games
07:58:57 <man9o0> hey how is ttdpatch more advanced than openttd??
07:59:04 <Bjarni> besides if you upload that thing you make it harder for me to avoid Kim Possible >.<
07:59:07 <Cybertinus> man9o0: I think rule 34 is working here? :p
07:59:13 <TheJosh> im just quoting what el_en saied earlier
07:59:20 <man9o0> sorry what is rule 34?
07:59:33 <TheJosh> if it exists, theres porn of it
07:59:36 <Cybertinus> man9o0: "if you can think about it, there is porn of it"
07:59:45 <dihedral> why on earth do you want to run trains over someones green body?
08:00:00 <man9o0> what i liked about ttdpatch is you could adjust the cargo limits for wagons and vehicles
08:00:18 <man9o0> i guess i am just sick that way dihedral hehe
08:00:28 <el_en> TheJosh: because maintaining backward-compatibility is a top priority in OpenTTD, its future is inevitably limited by what the map and other structures allow.
08:00:36 <dihedral> man9o0: then create a sick community - but dont misuse the forums for that ^^
08:01:11 <TheJosh> personally i think porn is utterly inappropriate, no matter what the form
08:01:15 <man9o0> oh i would never misuse the forums i would die of depression if i couldnt discuss ottd!!
08:01:44 <dihedral> TheJosh: i second that
08:01:45 <el_en> TheJosh: but all nudity is not porn.
08:01:49 <Bjarni> man9o0: is Kim Possible worth dying for?
08:01:56 <dihedral> el_en: second that too ^^
08:02:05 <TheJosh> el_en: but the priorities of OpenTTD can still change if they want to open up the game more. TTDPatch can never get away from TTD simply for technical reasons.
08:02:12 <man9o0> hehe have you seen kim possible lol
08:02:20 <dihedral> anyway - how much porn can it be if it's a landscape?
08:02:27 <TheJosh> and i agree, not all nudity is porn
08:02:30 <dihedral> oh - look that mountain sucks ass!
08:02:41 <TrueBrain> "<el_en> TheJosh: because maintaining backward-compatibility is a top priority in OpenTTD" <- I like you :)
08:02:49 <TheJosh> but looking at women for your own pleaseure is degrading to them , and degrading to yourself
08:03:03 <dihedral> depends on the woman :-P
08:03:09 <dihedral> some women like it - sadly
08:03:25 <man9o0> actually i tried a nightly build that would not load any of my older scenario files or save games
08:03:34 <TheJosh> its still degrading - they just dont realise it
08:03:41 <man9o0> but i had a patch files mixed in with a different build
08:03:45 <Bjarni> man9o0: and you didn't report it?
08:04:01 <dihedral> man9o0: newer versions of OpenTTD are porn-safe
08:04:26 <man9o0> well..the folder was so mixed and matched that it wasnt worth reporting the error i mixed trunk files with safe build files
08:05:12 <man9o0> i was trying to get the super large map patch to work with build .15xxx
08:05:20 <el_en> TheJosh: do you think women (and men too) have the right to decide what to do with their body?
08:05:21 <Bjarni> some of the first builds for OSX had endian issues and it made a save format of it's own. It was quickly corrected, but without support for the buggy format. That's the only time I can think of where backward compatible broke
08:05:47 <man9o0> there is a mac version of ottd??
08:06:09 <el_en> man9o0: of course there is. and an OS/2 version too.
08:06:25 <man9o0> i thought that the original had a mac feel to it
08:06:30 <Forked> I think one of the few things ottd probably does not run on are the little cars driving around on the planet Mars.. but I'm not 100% sure it wont
08:06:38 <man9o0> wow ppl still use os/2? hehe
08:06:46 <TrueBrain> Forked: just a lack of output :p
08:07:21 <man9o0> i thought it was funny that someone had a pda version of ottd
08:07:41 <Cybertinus> man9o0: I'm running oTTD on my Windows Mobile 6.0 phone ;)
08:07:44 <Bjarni> actually somebody ported OpenTTD to SkyOS. He butchered support for other OSes so we couldn't accept his changes
08:08:10 <man9o0> you must have posted on the thread i was reading then cyber
08:09:12 <TheJosh> i wouldnt think so if you have to butcher a port to get it to run
08:09:23 <TheJosh> ottd runs on linux native (im runnit it at the moment)
08:10:40 <man9o0> does it run any faster on linux?
08:11:26 <Forked> on linux all trains have 5 mph higher speed
08:11:32 <TheJosh> everything runs fast on my computer so I cant sell you
08:12:01 <TheJosh> and yes I already know that ottd doesn't use my quad core properly
08:12:15 <TheJosh> but it only use one core at about 45 %
08:12:41 <man9o0> by the way i should mention that the webbased irc client wont work on IE7
08:13:01 <man9o0> but thats why i also have firefox
08:13:54 <man9o0> hey how do google bots and msn bots get into the forum? from spyware?
08:14:21 <TheJosh> the bot recognises their user agent and gives them a read-only account
08:14:25 <man9o0> or is that how google searches forums
08:14:31 <TheJosh> i have read some of the source of that forum
08:15:10 <man9o0> the world is overrun with bots
08:15:19 <petern> 09:02 < TheJosh> but looking at women for your own pleaseure is degrading to them , and degrading to yourself
08:15:44 <petern> or, as dihedral might say, it's by design
08:16:15 <TheJosh> petern: its turning sex from a romatinc and emotanally-completing thing into a one-way event that stops a woman being a woman and turns her into an object.
08:16:55 <petern> it's natural urges, the thing 'designed' to make humans procreate
08:18:07 <TheJosh> but porn is still unnatural
08:18:37 <TheJosh> its satisfaction of youself without any satisfaction for the other person, who in this case doesn't even know you
08:18:38 <el_en> TheJosh: well, the woman on your screen is an object. wouldn't it be even stranger if you started planning a romantic relationship with that woman, and contacted her?
08:18:44 <TheJosh> all she know is that she feels used
08:19:08 <TheJosh> wouldn't it be more natural to have real sex with someone real who your in a romatinc relationship with?
08:19:19 <petern> all she knows is that she probably got paid a bit of money to have her photos taken...
08:19:35 <TheJosh> so she feels like crap
08:19:44 <el_en> TheJosh: how do you know how she feels?
08:19:57 <TheJosh> how do you think she feels?
08:20:22 <petern> why do you think she feels that way?
08:20:43 <TheJosh> how would you feel if you were nothing more to someone but something to make them feel good while at the smae time feeling humilated that the only way to make money is to sell you self?
08:20:43 <petern> are you of the opinion that all women in porn are forced into it?
08:21:12 <el_en> well, in the "behind the scenes" material i've... *cough* ... studied, they seem to be laughing and enjoying themselves.
08:21:13 <TheJosh> so you saying people would _choose_ to sell themself?
08:21:44 <TheJosh> but whats going on in their heads? what has happened to their humanity?
08:21:46 <el_en> TheJosh: what do you base your claim "the only way to make money" on?
08:22:22 <TheJosh> ok im going to ask you a simple questin
08:22:28 <dihedral> even if one woman choses to sell herself in that way, to men it often enough displays _all_ women would like / enjoy that
08:22:55 <dihedral> men quickly believe that the one woman is there for _them_
08:23:01 <TheJosh> what would you say of someone came up to you in the street and asked for a massage?
08:23:37 <man9o0> why would any man assume that all women think/act/behave the same way?
08:23:40 <dihedral> personally i get annoyed when i have to walk through town and all i get to see are half dressed women on huge posters
08:23:42 <TheJosh> They just walked up to you and wanted a massage. THey dont know you, you dont know them
08:23:46 <el_en> as far as i understand, people sell themselves because *it is a way to earn quite much money in short time*, and leaves a lot of free time to spend on something else.
08:23:59 <dihedral> c'mon - who wants to get close to a breast the size of my head?
08:24:43 <el_en> TheJosh: i don't understand how this massage thing is related to anything, but ...
08:24:46 <man9o0> it sounds like el_en has sold herself before ^^
08:25:21 <man9o0> massage or massage parlor??
08:25:39 <petern> if someone asked me, i'd say no, and generally feel amused
08:25:40 <TheJosh> just a regular massage. This question is completly non-sexual
08:26:00 <TheJosh> So would you give the person the massage?
08:26:08 <petern> surprised, amused, but certainly not humiliated or used
08:26:10 <dihedral> 'massage' is not something i'd give to anybody ^^
08:26:16 <el_en> depending on person, maybe.
08:26:28 <TheJosh> lets say for a sec that you do give them the massage
08:26:47 <TheJosh> then when your done, they run away straight away
08:27:04 <TheJosh> gone, like a flash in the wind. no "thanks", no cash, nothing
08:27:06 <petern> what if walker or cyclist had bad cramp and needed a leg muscle massaged?
08:27:07 <dihedral> that aint gonna work ^^
08:27:30 <el_en> TheJosh: i'd still feel surprised.
08:27:44 <TheJosh> that you had massaged a stanger and they didn't even thank you?
08:27:45 <petern> el_en, wrong, you're supposed to feel humiliated and used!
08:27:47 <man9o0> i didnt see the beginning of the massage question, are you asking if a woman is selling a massage service to a man?
08:27:53 <TheJosh> petern: stick with me
08:28:04 <dihedral> problem is that a lot of pron / advertisements that head that direction just display a wrong picture
08:28:17 <dihedral> women in generall are not wild after being seen as an 'object'
08:28:33 <petern> people viewing porn know full well that it isn't real life
08:28:41 <TheJosh> what if someone else wanted a massage, but again didn't say think you?
08:28:42 <petern> otherwise they wouldn't be viewing porn...
08:28:45 <dihedral> they dont always petern
08:28:46 <TheJosh> what if it was happenign all the time
08:29:02 <petern> there's the occasional nuthead in every thing
08:29:05 <TheJosh> lets change it. someone comes up to you and takes your car from you
08:29:06 <petern> like gun nuts for eaxmple
08:29:18 <TheJosh> they dont say pelase, they dont say think you they just take it
08:29:21 <man9o0> women like attention i think they just dont want to feel embarrased or humiliated
08:29:23 <dihedral> i know enough women who are even discusted at the fact that when they walk past guys, they'll stare at their butts
08:29:33 <TheJosh> not lets multiply that ay 1000. they have taken 1000 of your cars.
08:29:57 <el_en> TheJosh: do you acknowledge there might be women (and men) who actually enjoy being naked and watched?
08:30:17 <dihedral> yep - there probably is that
08:30:32 <dihedral> sadly if they feel they have to show that to everybody
08:30:33 <man9o0> that is the basis of the porn industry
08:30:37 <TheJosh> are you sayng enjoy, as in from the depths of their being and their humanity they enjoy it? or are you saying superficcaly enjopy?
08:30:58 <TheJosh> because i think there are peple that do enjoy it
08:31:18 <dihedral> man9o0: the basis of the porn industry is men who want to see what they dont have and dont want to be seen, and pay moeny for that
08:31:19 <TheJosh> but deep down, way at the deepest part of their heart, they hate it, every last minute of it
08:31:34 <petern> dihedral, and i know women who love it
08:31:44 <man9o0> the ones who are enjoying it are the webcam users..the adult entertainment industry is usually only interested in the monitary aspect of it
08:31:52 <TheJosh> and with thay I have to go, I have to be somewhere in 15 mins.
08:32:05 <el_en> TheJosh: how the hell do you know how they feel about it in the deepest part of their heart?
08:32:08 <fonsinchen> Women view different kinds of porn, though
08:32:20 <petern> fonsinchen, depends on the women... and, indeed, depends on the man
08:32:21 <TheJosh> el_en: And you think you do?
08:32:24 <dihedral> sure there are women who like it! does that mean ALL women: nope
08:32:27 <el_en> i gotta go too, let's continue this some other day.
08:32:32 <dihedral> does it make it easier for men to distinguish?
08:32:36 <TheJosh> el_en: Its just humainty
08:32:36 <petern> sure there are men who like it! does that mean ALL men: nope
08:32:43 <el_en> TheJosh: no, i don't. but i don't even try to understand woman's thoughts thoroughly.
08:32:44 <petern> i love these stupid arguments
08:33:04 <TheJosh> el_en: Its basic humanity. People want to be loved. Not abused.
08:33:20 <TheJosh> anyway, as I said, I must go.
08:33:40 <dihedral> eh... day's just started ^^
08:34:05 <el_en> whatta, he was not even from the US.
08:34:08 <man9o0> i cannot sleep today i put all my errands off until today
08:34:40 <man9o0> i assume probably half the ottd players are european
08:34:58 <dihedral> but i must say - i agree with Josh ^^
08:35:19 <dihedral> yes there are women who like to sell themselves, fine - if they want to - i'd not stop them
08:35:26 <dihedral> does that mean i want to see them? NOPE
08:35:31 <man9o0> what was his point trying to be about massages??
08:35:39 <dihedral> does it mean i may assume ALL women think that way: NOPE
08:35:51 <dihedral> man9o0: no idea really
08:36:15 <dihedral> my point is that porn often enough makes objects out of people, in both ways
08:36:28 <dihedral> and people dont usually like being seen as an object, but as a person
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08:37:18 <man9o0> it all depends if you pay someone enough they dont care if they must be an object for their job
08:37:22 <dihedral> i.e. a woman has a face, when i talk with her, she probably will not want me staring at her breasts
08:37:41 <dihedral> man9o0: that's porn industry!
08:38:15 <dihedral> question would be, would the woman involved do the same thing if no money was involved?
08:38:21 <dihedral> i.e. does he or she really like it?
08:38:31 <dihedral> (well - "he" on the viewing side probably will!!)
08:38:35 <petern> would i work for free?
08:38:37 <man9o0> i dunno i had a next door neighbor who gave a big smile when i looked at her breasts..but only because most of the time i ignore her lol
08:38:41 <petern> you still have NO POINT
08:39:11 <dihedral> petern: you do work for free ^^
08:39:24 <dihedral> what is this project? you get money for coding stuff for OpenTTD?
08:39:54 <dihedral> petern: a lot of women would see the point ;-)
08:40:17 <man9o0> i thought the openttd project was all volunteer
08:40:53 <man9o0> ppl code because they want a good game
08:40:54 <petern> i don't do my paid job for free
08:42:20 <man9o0> it seems to me that ottd wouldnt even be any better than it is if the coders were paid, when you are paid you dont do it for fun you do it for work and when you do work for only money's sake, the result is not as good as when you work for the fun of it
08:43:10 <dihedral> petern: no, of course not - but you'd also enjoy doing the job, if no money was involved
08:43:29 <dihedral> i.e. i dont just code for money, i enjoy coding even if i dont get any money for it
08:43:52 <man9o0> so noone wants to see my naked kim possible heightmap? hehehe
08:44:05 <dihedral> shove it up your ass :-P
08:44:32 <Bjarni> dihedral: don't say such a thing
08:44:34 <dihedral> man9o0: what dimensions ?
08:44:37 <Bjarni> he will likely enjoy it
08:44:37 <petern> how does KIM POSSIBLE feel?
08:44:50 <dihedral> petern: looks a bit green ^^
08:45:07 <man9o0> i have 2, 1024x512 and 512x1024
08:45:24 <petern> googling "kim possible" images is ... er ... not work safe :D
08:45:31 <man9o0> one is greyscale, the other i left in full color png
08:45:32 <Bjarni> man9o0: you are not making this easy for you
08:45:40 <dihedral> man9o0: then shove the maps up your arse but sideways :-D
08:46:35 <Bjarni> <petern> googling "kim possible" images is ... er ... not work safe :D <-- looks like there are more people out there like man9o0
08:46:43 <man9o0> its funny to look at a map made from porn i laughed so hard
08:46:44 <Bjarni> either that or he is really busy
08:47:27 <man9o0> i forgot where i found the pics to be honest
08:47:41 <man9o0> i think its easier to find lara croft pics
08:47:49 <petern> people have been posting pictures of george's LVs for ages...
08:48:55 <man9o0> and that is...?? porn??
08:48:56 <Bjarni> actually it's "Long Vehicles"
08:49:17 <Bjarni> and it contains a few pictures of nudity in the bus windows
08:49:17 <petern> there's a censored version of it...
08:49:34 <man9o0> i love the articulated vehicles, about time a 100 passenger bus was invented
08:49:46 <dihedral> there is more to a person than just their body and / or outward appearance ^^
08:50:06 <Bjarni> like inner sexual organs
08:50:16 <man9o0> how on earth can you see the windows of ttd bus?!?
08:51:06 <dihedral> and there is more to life than sex
08:51:28 <man9o0> i could probably bulldoze the trees that show the naughty parts of the heightmap lol
08:52:23 <man9o0> it was so fun for me to be able to create a heightmap that i got a little carried away
08:53:18 <TrueBrain> I think this is the longest this channel was on one subject ... you don't have to be brilliant to guess what the subject is, in such cases :p
08:54:12 <man9o0> it seems that when the topic turns to the south so to speak, it does not mind the warm weather hehehe
08:54:54 <man9o0> true are you in america or europe?
08:55:04 <Bjarni> well... not actually IN the windows, but close enough
08:55:21 <Bjarni> I never really stared at those sprites so I couldn't remember details :P
08:56:57 <man9o0> that actually looks really amazing
08:58:05 <man9o0> i wish i knew how to create grfs
08:59:10 <man9o0> does anyone know if its possible to make ttdpatch work in vista? only because there seem to be more tools available for patching it
09:00:33 <man9o0> i think very soon i need to go also
09:02:46 <man9o0> only 28 users on the #tycoon channel
09:05:26 <man9o0> is openttdcoop a different client?
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09:08:09 <man9o0> well im out night everyone
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09:36:25 <eQualizer> Oh, TheJosh already went. :(
09:37:56 <eQualizer> I suspect that he's a... what's the word in English.... chauvinist(?) without knowing it.
09:39:00 <eQualizer> I dated a girl who thought the exact way. :(
09:44:09 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I made a C application on which gcc fails .... it runs ... for ever ....
10:01:07 <FauxFaux> Boost spirit, by any chance?
10:02:16 <TrueBrain> C application .. and he asks about Boost ..
10:02:37 <TrueBrain> either way, 100% my own app, no libs besides glibc
10:03:28 <TrueBrain> weird GCC ... when I remove a goto, it works :p
10:09:58 <TrueBrain> time to celebrate Queensday
10:10:32 <FauxFaux> Pfft, nobody actually uses C, they just think they are.
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11:05:01 <Alberth> sorry, wrong channel (but comments are welcome of course)
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11:13:14 <Alberth> yes, that is better. thanks
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11:29:14 <Bjarni> <FauxFaux> Pfft, nobody actually uses C, they just think they are. <-- not true. I have coded stuff in ANSI C and I know when I code ANSI C or the stuff people usually call C
11:29:34 <Bjarni> I prefer whatever GCC accepts as .c
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11:54:26 <FauxFaux> Actually, normally it's people who think they're coding in c++ but are actually just using one or two c++ functions on top of their pointer mess.
11:57:02 <FauxFaux> I'm well aware of that, I was just applying the argument backwards. :)
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12:12:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16188 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix [FS#2874] (r16124): printing the first 4 bytes worth of a 8 byte integer causes some unwanted side effects when the system is not little-endian.
12:13:26 <welshdragon> does anyone know how to convert from a pdf to a word document?\
12:18:21 <dihedral> welshdragon, use Acrobat Professional ^^
12:19:42 <welshdragon> i'm not forking out money
12:19:51 <welshdragon> i was thinking of freeware
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12:22:12 <glx> ocr can keep the formatting
12:22:13 <dihedral> but no - there is no other method of editing a pdf afaik
12:22:42 <dihedral> the only ocr stuff i ever worked with sucked big time
12:25:20 <welshdragon> dihedral: 2007alain2007 is such a n00b
12:25:55 <dihedral> i still enjoyed my printf line ^^
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13:08:05 <Bjarni> do anybody have a huge savegame with lots of vehicles?
13:08:14 <Bjarni> I need to do some benchmarking on something
13:10:29 <planetmaker> Bjarni, you may want to look at the #openttdcoop archive
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13:13:00 <planetmaker> or did you mean vehicles as in road vehicles?
13:13:31 <glx> he just want a high CPU save ;)
13:13:44 <dihedral> 10 ships + yapf ? :P
13:13:58 <planetmaker> oh, there are nicer ones than #89 then... our last japanese game :)
13:16:34 <Bjarni> I meant a normal game that lasted for a long time hence a lot of vehicles
13:16:52 <welshdragon> Bjarni: give me 2 minutes
13:17:29 <planetmaker> depends what kind of editing you want.
13:17:46 <Bjarni> I'm looking at overall performance
13:17:54 <planetmaker> then #132 is fine :)
13:18:08 <planetmaker> japanese set is a bit cpu intensive ;)
13:19:53 <Bjarni> welshdragon: got it. However I'm not sure if the forum should be used as a file buffer ^^
13:29:24 <Bjarni> welshdragon: nice savegame. It pops up with some compatible grf window and then it asserts with disconnected vehicle
13:30:10 <Bjarni> planetmaker: I can't download game 132. The download doesn't start :(
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13:38:16 <Belugas> whouhouh!!1 I did not expect that when i tried to revive interest in town funding patch... a battle over dihedral and Alain
13:39:58 <dihedral> + the battle was in the air all the time
13:40:40 <dihedral> Belugas, you could split that part off into another thread? Alain vs dih :-P
13:41:05 <glx> dihedral: next time use %c in your printf ;)
13:41:11 <Belugas> ain't author of the thread, nor having moderator rights
13:41:31 <Belugas> luckily for a lot of people, by the way...
13:41:33 <dihedral> i'd really love that thread title :-P
13:41:45 <dihedral> and sadly to all others
13:42:06 <Belugas> glx, by the way, i gave you credit for your work on town names, on forums :)
13:42:16 <Belugas> i was feeling a bit poetic, yesterday evening
13:42:32 <glx> and the guy didn't read the spec completely
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13:43:07 <Belugas> i suspect he only looked at the grfs laying around
13:43:07 <planetmaker> Bjarni, download works here
13:43:33 <Belugas> but i believe he is wiling to work on it
13:43:34 <glx> btw I like the example given by DaleStan, there is indeed no limit when you understand how it works :)
13:43:52 <Belugas> the russians understood that long time ago, iirc
13:44:53 <planetmaker> yep DaleStan's advice is always crisp but to the point :)
13:45:01 <Forked> the internet .. the argument .. perhaps this place should have it's name changed? :)
13:46:29 <planetmaker> Belugas, your quote in the newobjects thread is broken...
13:56:14 <Bjarni> planetmaker: odd. Failed in firefox and works in safari
13:56:44 <Bjarni> now I jinxed it. It stalled at 647k
13:57:17 <dihedral> anybody here familiar with redmine (www.redmine.org)
13:57:44 <Bjarni> what's redmine? A jewel mine?
13:58:23 <dihedral> project management system (like gforge)
13:58:49 <planetmaker> dihedral, works for us :)
13:59:02 <planetmaker> seems to be quite quick.
13:59:03 <dihedral> you use it somewhere already?
13:59:38 <planetmaker> just two day old or so. Testing it basically. But really looks good
14:00:04 <planetmaker> seems to work nicely with external repositories.
14:01:56 <planetmaker> and it "feels" faster than say indefero or trac
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14:03:18 <Belugas> what's to managing projects?
14:11:56 <dihedral> hehe - that did me well :-)
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14:37:07 <qkr> why is there no train cars to transport wood on the desert terrain in 2cc newgrf trainset?
14:37:47 <Alberth> do we even have wood in sub-tropical?
14:38:17 <qkr> only after I constructed a lumber mill
14:40:41 <Alberth> dihedral: Clearly, I should play OpenTTD more often
14:41:08 <dihedral> i dont play either ^^
14:47:28 <Belugas> qkr, tried to play same climate without 2cc?
14:47:34 <Belugas> a new game that is...
14:48:48 <qkr> nope, that would probably work
14:49:04 <Belugas> and have you read the "eventual" README file that came with the set? maybe it might be interesting
14:49:37 <qkr> no I downloaded it thru the game's content management site thing
14:50:28 <planetmaker> hm... maybe OpenTTD should include a readme file reader :D
14:50:38 <qkr> it's not a big problem, road vehicles can still transport wood
14:51:00 <dihedral> not reading the readme file is a big problem ^^
14:51:37 <glx> maybe you need to refit a wagon
14:51:39 <qkr> there's no readme, it's a .tar file and it only contains license.txt
14:52:09 <qkr> I did check refits too, no wood available
14:53:09 <planetmaker> qkr, but it gives you a link to a website.
14:53:20 <planetmaker> which is the readme of that set
14:54:55 <qkr> I found the website thru google, no info on that subject though
14:56:15 <planetmaker> might be... then tell the authors that they should make such wagon available. :)
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14:59:04 <planetmaker> ^^ that's the related thread :)
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15:02:48 <qkr> well, someone had already reported the same prob on that thread, hope the authors read it
15:03:33 <planetmaker> qkr, actually, the flatbed wagon and the gondola can be refitted to wood
15:03:41 <planetmaker> they only tell you to be water carriers, though :D
15:03:53 <planetmaker> the author reads it.
15:04:24 <planetmaker> as can be the cargo sprinter
15:04:41 <planetmaker> and the class 153 and vt133 railbusses
15:04:51 <qkr> ok thanks I will try that then
15:06:37 <planetmaker> hehe. That's funny indeed. Transporting water on a flatbed wagon. I wonder... :)
15:06:58 <dihedral> wow - i just typed cd mozilla.com (in my browsers location bar!!)
15:10:41 * Bjarni notes that dihedral next step is to claim having coded mozilla.com
15:10:58 <dihedral> i aint that stupid ^^
15:11:11 <planetmaker> I posted a reminder to that thread that the wagons have wrong cargo.
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15:45:33 <Belugas> too much conference call
15:52:35 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Rubidium> pavel1269: by pasting it here?
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15:55:42 <dihedral> "first, i'd like a patch in ottd trunk and I don't understand how to decide devs to implement this in "stable" 7.x" <- LOL
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16:15:23 <glx> there are no patches in trunk ;)
16:16:43 <dihedral> i esp like "how to deceive devs to implement" :-P
16:17:11 * Belugas activates Lunch patch
16:18:29 <Belugas> "becuse i dont want to be called stupid any more then i alredy have been"
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16:26:06 <petern> this guy made his webservice return a dataset
16:27:42 * Belugas works that way too, although we do not call it webservice, but rather Remote Queries
16:36:12 * Alberth activates remote query on the tastiness of Belugas' lunch patch
16:37:53 <planetmaker> does finger work on Belugas' lunch?
16:38:21 <Sacro> you're fingering his dinner?
16:38:27 <planetmaker> finger lunch@belugas.world
16:39:34 <frosch123> hmm, working decease. yesterday I thought it was thursday, today I think it's friday
16:39:36 <Belugas> keep your dirty fingers out of my lunch!
16:48:35 <petern> Belugas, depends what you're returning.
16:48:43 <petern> if it's a set of data, then fine
16:49:06 <petern> if you're using a dataset instead of a struct... urgh :)
16:49:51 <petern> (even for a set of data i'd probably use an array of structs, though, heh)
16:50:07 <Belugas> that sounds a bit strange, to say the least.
16:50:21 <Belugas> datasets are more flexible for that, i'd say
16:50:34 <Belugas> it cold be one row of one column
16:50:37 <petern> yeah. generally you don't need flexibility there
16:51:34 <Belugas> welll... ou system works on returning results from queries. those queries could be select, update, delete or even insert
16:51:43 <petern> of course a generic "get some data please" call would be fine with a dataset
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16:52:34 <Belugas> the remote engine knows even on which database to load up/process the incoming query
16:53:06 <Belugas> so, it's like... sending a query number, a few parameters, and expect results accordingly
16:53:57 <Belugas> the server picks the number, load the matching query, execute it and sends dataset if required, or just acknoledgment of the work been done
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17:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <el_en> man9o0: TTDPatch is still more advanced than OpenTTD. <- ever heard of "überholen ohne einzuholen"?
17:36:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16189 /trunk/src/ (tile_cmd.h widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Doc: Additions and improvement of (mainly) nested widgets/widget-parts doxygen docs.
17:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas/petern: it was a propaganda campaign in east germany. because west germany had a stronger economy, the government feared social unrest. so they started a campaign "overtaking without catching up", where they picked totally random stuff (like production of strawberry marmelade), and pointed out how east germany surpassed west germany in that category
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17:43:24 <frosch123> yeah, OTTD is far better than TTDP. Just count the lines of C++ code :p
17:45:02 <petern> just check the coding style ;)
17:46:47 * petern ponders arrange his speakers in front of his keyboard instead of in front of his monitor
17:47:07 <petern> or getting another set :p
17:51:14 <Belugas> how much do you play on the computer vs on the keyboard
17:51:24 <Belugas> if roughly the same, i'd say a new set :)
17:51:45 <Belugas> thanks, Eddi|zuHause. it makes indeed sens
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18:06:14 <Belugas> someone told you, and i just repeat it: "you're cruel"!
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18:12:49 <Belugas> that does not mean i'm not happy for you enjoying it ;)
18:13:04 <Belugas> it's just so freakingly tempting to run home...
18:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause> tomorrow is a holiday... everybody is in "friday" mood today over here...
18:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> meaning they stop working after 13:00 ;)
18:25:39 <Bjarni> tomorrow is a day off here too
18:26:03 <Bjarni> so I have all day to spend at uni doing stuff I need to do before next week
18:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it's funny how on the "Day of Work", nobody is working ;)
18:34:30 <petern> why did i install flash
18:34:35 <petern> everything is so slow now :p
18:43:52 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: that's because it's the union day or "the day of the workers", not "the day of work"
18:44:09 <Bjarni> unions work hard on telling that work is bad and that nobody should work
18:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's called "Tag der Arbeit", not "Tag der Arbeiter" in german
18:44:38 <Bjarni> Germans fucks up everything :P
18:47:46 <Bjarni> I know about a time when some train driver called in sick. The railroad called another one and asked if he could use his day off on this. He would get another day off later instead. He had to say no because the union would punish him for driving too many days during a single month. It wasn't due to safety but because workers shouldn't work too much
18:48:08 <Bjarni> the fact that he would get the 1st, 2nd and 3rd days of the next month off didn't matter
18:48:29 <Bjarni> the railroad was screwed and I'm not sure they found another driver
18:49:22 <Bjarni> the sad thing is that this particular driver who had to say no actually wanted to drive
18:49:41 <Bjarni> Unions are good, but damn do they break a lot of stuff too
18:50:30 <welshdragon> Bjarni: hence when i worked in the libraries i wasn't part of any union
18:51:36 <Bjarni> like the union for stewardesses. They went on strike because they didn't get a raise that was big enough. They have a monthly income of around €6800
18:52:21 <Bjarni> the airline then decided to hire Asian crew for the planes going to Asia. They only need €1400/month for the same work and they have the same training
18:52:43 <Bjarni> then the union went on strike again
18:53:10 <Bjarni> telling that the airline were only allowed to hire people in Scandinavia
18:53:16 <Bjarni> they lost that claim in court
18:53:50 <welshdragon> unions get too big for thei boots
18:53:58 <Bjarni> now they had to reduce salaries. It was either that or bankruptcy.
18:55:15 <Bjarni> I'm a member of a union. They help me if I miss payment or similar stuff
18:55:29 <Bjarni> but AFAIK the engineering union never went on strike
18:56:51 <Eddi|zuHause> in france they go on strike way more often than in the rest of europe ;)
18:56:55 <Bjarni> welshdragon: aren't you a bit daring when you decided not to be a member of a union?
18:57:42 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: that's because the French guys are quite good at standing in a crowd doing nothing when that group have a common enemy
18:59:45 <welshdragon> Bjarni: it was my choice
19:00:21 <Bjarni> but what if they decided to cheat you?
19:00:28 <welshdragon> and i had support anyway
19:02:57 <Bjarni> Considering I learned rules and laws after I joined the union I learned that I have been cheated in all jobs I had before I joined the union
19:03:32 <Bjarni> worst case I lost a combined income of €8000 over the years >.<
19:04:25 <Bjarni> that would be around £7200
19:04:35 <Bjarni> that's kind of a lot of money
19:04:40 <Bjarni> and I can do nothing about it now
19:05:50 <Bjarni> that's more than payment for the union from the day I finish uni until the day I retire
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19:07:09 <petern> what do you mean by "cheated"? heh
19:07:26 <Bjarni> I mean doing some work and not getting paid/getting paid way too little
19:07:51 <petern> don't need a union to see that you're not being paid...
19:08:26 <Bjarni> but I needed the work experience as part of the education
19:08:51 <Bjarni> it was for a limited time though
19:09:14 <petern> work experience as part of education is generally unpaid
19:09:25 <frosch123> hmm, Bjarni has limited time on this planet
19:11:50 <Bjarni> actually I need to pay more for the union
19:12:02 <Bjarni> mixed up some tax thing
19:12:58 <Bjarni> <frosch123> hmm, Bjarni has limited time on this planet <-- what do you mean by that statement?
19:13:18 <frosch123> Bjarni: no need to calculate anything, just compare the equatorial length of your boss at work and the boss of the union
19:13:47 * jonty-comp bans 2007Alain2007 for being a general arse
19:14:27 <frosch123> Bjarni: even undead have limited time on this planet
19:14:51 <frosch123> s/length/perimeter/
19:14:56 <petern> oh look, firefox crashed again
19:15:07 <Bjarni> somehow I think you are pulling my leg
19:15:25 <Bjarni> because I feel you are speaking garbage right now
19:15:33 * Alberth looks, and finds firefox still running at the other desktop
19:16:05 <Bjarni> I don't get the stability of firefox
19:16:12 <Bjarni> it never crashes for me
19:16:24 <frosch123> Bjarni: if you wonder whether the money you pay for the union is too much, just compare whether your boss or the boss of the union is more fat
19:16:32 <Bjarni> yet I know somebody where it crashes every time it finishes printing a page
19:16:49 <Bjarni> say hello to printing a web page containing 3 pages on paper :P
19:18:14 <Bjarni> I don't think €27/month is a lot for a union membership when I'm in a full time job
19:18:50 * Belugas is multiplexed on 3 different computers
19:19:01 <Belugas> dos it make my salary 3 times highter?
19:19:26 <petern> if you didn't €27/month, what would happen?
19:19:54 <Bjarni> petern: at first nothing but then I would be the first to go if the company have to downsize
19:20:33 <Bjarni> also being a member of that union gives discounts of certain stuff
19:20:50 <Bjarni> like insurance and petrol/diesel
19:21:09 <Bjarni> don't ask me why that's a union benefit, but it is
19:22:03 <petern> as i work in a tiny company, i don't think union membership would benefit me
19:22:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16190 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: Allow stacking of nested widgets.
19:22:08 <Bjarni> no fees for having the card
19:22:12 <Belugas> no free American Express?
19:22:43 <Bjarni> American Express isn't really used here since I'm not in America
19:22:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16191 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets of one order window.
19:23:21 <Alberth> yeah, you don't want to know what people do with widgets :)
19:23:47 <Bjarni> cheaper loans for houses and cars
19:24:01 <petern> heh, yeah, we had 5 amex cards go through today
19:24:02 <Bjarni> discount for furniture (why?)
19:24:32 <Belugas> was me doing tests, petern!
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20:17:41 <Laurens> who wants to play a 2player multiplayer game?
20:18:15 <TrueBrain> hmm, a game of Quake .. sounds a good idea yes
20:18:24 <frosch123> 2 is not very multi
20:19:08 <Laurens> you know, i live in Apeldoorn we have been terrorised this morning :O
20:19:22 <TrueBrain> I just watched the movies .......
20:19:50 <TrueBrain> not sure if I can ever stand normal in a corwd again :s
20:19:55 <Laurens> that black suzuki swift driver is almost dead :(
20:20:02 <Laurens> he needs to be punished
20:20:53 <TrueBrain> the movies look like that of a movie :s
20:21:17 <Laurens> my friend is still in shock :0
20:21:22 <TrueBrain> I was walking in Amsterdam at that moment ... people were really like: WHAT?!
20:22:13 <Laurens> in the crowd everyone screamed that there were explosives in the car :O
20:22:28 <Laurens> i was shocked by that :)
20:22:37 <Laurens> i thought we were being blowed up :P
20:22:48 <Laurens> are you Dutch anyway?
20:22:49 <TrueBrain> lucky for you, you are still alive :)
20:23:03 <planetmaker> phew... I'm happy to not have been there. My condolences
20:23:28 <Laurens> all the channels on TV are sending out the movie
20:23:35 <TrueBrain> hehe, they considered closing Amsterdam (all parties and stuff) .. then they realised the amount of people who were walking there :p
20:24:09 <Laurens> Are you Dutch anyway?
20:24:53 <TrueBrain> anyway, one of the most depressing queensday I have had in my life ..
20:25:06 <TrueBrain> nowhere there was really getting a party done ... well .. I am at home already, says enough :p
20:25:16 <dihedral> Laurens, if he wanted to tell he would have said the first time you asked ^^
20:25:33 <planetmaker> the one I was experiencing a few years was just a great party day. Whole town in orange. Just amazing :)
20:25:48 <TrueBrain> normally that is true
20:25:53 <TrueBrain> today .. not so much :p
20:25:56 <TrueBrain> lot of people confused ..
20:26:01 <TrueBrain> in Amsterdam normalyl everyone walks in
20:26:11 <TrueBrain> now ... it was a mix of people wanting to get home, and people not knowing what was going on :p
20:27:48 <planetmaker> that's weired. Prime news Germany don't have the Appeldorn incident in their head news... :S
20:27:57 <TrueBrain> that is just ... not considering
20:28:13 <planetmaker> yeah. Somewhen near the end of news...
20:28:31 <Laurens> i've seen 1 guy died... was sad... can't believe it...
20:28:45 <Laurens> glad i didn't know him :)
20:29:08 <TrueBrain> nevertheless .. it is sick .. and a thing you hope nobody ever witnesses ...
20:29:51 <Laurens> Queen Beatrix is crying all day long :S
20:30:02 <TrueBrain> she is crying when 'talking to the people'
20:30:15 <Laurens> All the flags in Apeldoorn are half-pole now :P
20:30:23 <TrueBrain> everywhere, for that matter :p
20:30:24 <Bjarni> <Laurens> i've seen 1 guy died... was sad... can't believe it... <-- the news said 4 people died (was on like 20 minutes ago)
20:30:30 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: make that 5
20:30:35 <TrueBrain> including the driver, makes it 6
20:30:47 <planetmaker> heard 4 deaths reported, too
20:30:51 <Bjarni> I don't care for the well being of a driver doing stuff like that
20:31:06 <Laurens> Bjarni: I know i didn't see the other 4 because we had to go away from the attack place...
20:31:12 <planetmaker> na, I wished him alive. Lifelong prison is better than quick death
20:31:15 <Laurens> Glad i could get away
20:31:18 <TrueBrain> sick thing .. it was a hit against the queen ... those other people had NOTHING to do with it :(
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20:31:31 <Bjarni> prisons are like hotels today though :s
20:31:38 <Bjarni> Laurens: you were present at the time?
20:31:47 <TrueBrain> he can better be dead ... I don't want to pay for people who do things like that :p
20:31:59 <Laurens> i have seen the accident
20:32:31 <Bjarni> I thought accidents was... well accidents. This appears to be on purpose, hence and incident, not an accident
20:34:08 <Laurens> Now they're saying the driver's in coma... :S
20:35:00 <Bjarni> just rewinded the news. They say very little
20:35:02 <Laurens> but,.., enough of this now..... let's talk about something fun...
20:35:27 <TrueBrain> (and yes, of course I am Dutch :p)
20:35:29 <Bjarni> but surprisingly I more or less understand what Beatrix says
20:35:32 <dihedral> Laurens, how close were you?
20:35:40 <Laurens> I was about 15 meters
20:35:52 <TrueBrain> so you were on tv! :p (to make something .. 'fun' out of it :p)
20:36:14 * Bjarni wonders if Laurens were on the news as "person no 37 in crowd"
20:36:38 <Laurens> no, sorry im not that ugly
20:37:29 <Laurens> but info: im 14 years old and has half long blond hair :P
20:37:51 <Bjarni> like shoulder length or ?
20:37:57 <dihedral> i would not say that out loud you know - we had a discussion this morning about porn :-P
20:38:07 <Laurens> Shoulder length uhm... 1.60meters
20:38:09 <TrueBrain> discussion? I would not call it that :p
20:38:28 <Laurens> porn helps against stress
20:38:41 <Bjarni> Laurens: I meant is your hair reaching your shoulders?
20:39:21 <Laurens> Belugas thinks: Wtf is goin' on here?? P0rn?
20:39:23 <Bjarni> so I'm looking for blond hair that almost reaches the shoulders on a 14 year old boy with one eye
20:39:23 <dihedral> Belugas, how may we help you?
20:39:43 <thingwath> (hair that can't reach your shoulders is considered "long" nowadays? :))
20:39:59 <dihedral> the other ones poped
20:40:13 <Wolf01> [22:37:39] <Laurens> but info: im 14 years old and has half long blond hair :P <- I've 10 years of hairs more, but mine are brown :P
20:40:35 <Belugas> [16:40] <Laurens> porn helps against stress <--- o_O
20:40:39 <Bjarni> Wolf01: but were you on TV today?
20:40:40 <Belugas> as if it was the only ting...
20:40:47 <Belugas> hey.. i've got a wife!
20:41:02 <Bjarni> porn is a waste of time
20:41:08 <TrueBrain> lucky for you your wife is that hot ;)
20:41:17 <Wolf01> Bjarni, how could I be on tv? I'm always @work/@home :P
20:41:22 <Bjarni> and usually includes a weird and cruel view of women
20:41:45 <Bjarni> Wolf01: that's my point. I'm looking for Laurens in the news right now
20:41:50 <Bjarni> he is likely there... somewhere
20:42:02 <dihedral> on the car bonnet :-P
20:42:15 <Belugas> never said she was... but hey... there is more than sex (porn is not sex, it's voyeurism and to some extend masturbation) to cool down...
20:42:20 <Wolf01> and I was talking about my long beautiful hairs :D
20:42:22 <Belugas> a beer, music, else...
20:42:44 <dihedral> Wolf01, your hairs??????
20:42:49 <Laurens> @Belugas: a beer, music, sex.
20:42:56 <dihedral> i dont wanna know how long or beautiful your 'hairs' could be!
20:42:58 <Belugas> Wolf01, you look som much better with a sword!
20:43:03 <Bjarni> Laurens: I'm 99% sure that you are there, but the crowd is a bit blurry and there is a whole lot of people
20:43:18 <Belugas> Laurens, you're clearly a teen in spring fever!
20:43:21 <Bjarni> <Laurens> wolf are you a girl? <-- nice question right after you spoke of porn :P
20:43:44 <dihedral> Bjarni, + he is 14 and Wolf01 is 24!!!
20:43:45 <Laurens> but i have to go guys bye
20:43:48 <Wolf01> the little one handed sword or the wonderful Anduril?
20:44:15 <Bjarni> dihedral: shouldn't stop Laurens
20:44:22 <Laurens> Aragorn,... Son of Arathorn... :P
20:44:35 <Laurens> but i have to go right now!!
20:44:36 <Wolf01> I'll take a picture with it one day
20:44:43 <Belugas> AThaboy, son of AThaMan
20:44:54 <dihedral> <Laurens> Saruman sucks <- that does not sound too good when talking about porn
20:45:20 <Bjarni> <Laurens> Saruman sucks <-- will you please stop all those dirty porn references. We are nice people with a mature way of thinking and not horny teenagers
20:46:39 <Bjarni> I did speak for myself
20:46:54 <Bjarni> and I'm quite nice too
20:46:59 <Belugas> mature people with teenager way of thinking
20:47:15 <Bjarni> but we shouldn't let children know that :P
20:47:40 <dihedral> lol petern - that was not exactly positive for you :-P
20:47:56 <dihedral> sounds like petern is a horny teen :-D
20:48:14 <Bjarni> but he acts like one XD
20:49:34 <Belugas> [16:47] <Wolf01> I'll take a picture with it one day <-- that was not the one you showed me?
20:53:00 <Belugas> #I bet you think this song is about you
20:53:36 <dihedral> fuck the fucking fuckers
20:53:57 <petern> # youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu're
20:54:10 <petern> # i bet you think this song is about you
20:54:15 <petern> # 'bout you 'bout you 'bout you
20:54:17 * Bjarni notice that Laurens have a bad influence on this channel
20:54:32 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: no, that would be you
20:54:37 <Belugas> Don't need him for that!!
20:54:55 <Belugas> TIME TO FUCKING GO HOME!
20:55:02 <Bjarni> TrueBrain: you are saying that like he is the only one having a bad influence
20:55:20 <dihedral> Belugas, spare us the details ^^
20:55:22 <TrueBrain> no, I am saying that like YOU are the only one having a bad influence
20:55:27 <TrueBrain> you should get those facts correct ;)
20:55:32 <TrueBrain> Belugas: enjoy going home :)
20:55:51 <Bjarni> Belugas: maybe your wife wants to alter that order
20:56:03 <Bjarni> "time to go home fucking"
20:56:22 <Belugas> dihedral, there's a differnce between Go Home Fucking and Fucking Go Home or even Go Fucking Home
20:56:49 <petern> Belugas, fuck off already you fucking fuck
20:57:27 <petern> Belugas, if you're lucky i'll be up waiting for you ;)
20:57:28 <Bjarni> I read the other day that doctors in the Victorian times figured out that masturbation made breasts shrink
20:57:36 <Bjarni> masturbation was a really bad thing at that time
20:57:48 <Bjarni> so people looked down on women with small breasts
20:58:10 <Bjarni> because it was clearly because they did stuff they weren't supposed to do
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20:59:10 <TrueBrain> I think the topic should go back to more relevant matters, like ... OpenTTD
20:59:18 <TrueBrain> I am not that interested in how Bjarni masturbates ...
20:59:49 <Bjarni> that thing only applied to women :P
20:59:55 <petern> nowt wrong with small titties
21:00:10 <TrueBrain> even petern joins ...... the world is lost!
21:00:30 <Bjarni> petern: it was for the Victorians
21:01:46 <TrueBrain> " I Think my house is hunted " - " Why is that? " - " My wife is there! "
21:04:20 <TrueBrain> concratz, I am suprised :)
21:08:46 <DaleStan> Since we're talking about OpenTTD, does anyone know what Open would do if I took a valid GRF and prepended the two bytes "00 00"?
21:09:02 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: I love it that you really think 2 people are up there
21:09:55 <TinoDidriksen> He does make it feel very natural, indeed.
21:10:08 <Bjarni> When a man falls overboard from a ship, you yell "man overboard". What do you yell if a woman falls overboard?
21:10:27 <DaleStan> Specifically, would that be a safe way of marking grfs for which the sprite size field is "word, or FF FF followed by a dword", instead of just "word"?
21:13:11 <Bjarni> Sacro: there is a clip on youtube about a TV quiz with this question. The guy answered "full speed ahead"
21:13:37 <Bjarni> though I believe that "man overboard" would be the correct answer
21:17:17 <frosch123> DaleStan: you mean "00 00" like end-of-file ?
21:17:54 <DaleStan> Yes. Like end-of-file.
21:20:54 <frosch123> looks like OTTD has not forgotton about that marker, and should stop there
21:21:50 <frosch123> though I hope you are not heading for >64k pseudo sprites
21:23:34 <DaleStan> Not until someone asks.
21:24:24 <DaleStan> But the idea has been kicking around for years, and I finally realized how I could do it (more or less) safely.
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21:25:25 <frosch123> I just wonder whether "always dword for length" isn't easier than "extended word" :p
21:26:41 <DaleStan> Dunno. Haven't thought about that.
21:26:56 <osse> Is this the place to ask a general patching question?
21:26:58 <frosch123> btw. don't forget to enlarge ysize :p
21:28:42 <DaleStan> Actually, scratch that idea. Forget I asked. Too much work.
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21:37:00 <osse> should "svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.7.0/ [folder]" give me the source to 0.7.0? It says "Checked out revision 16191." when it's finished
21:39:12 <petern> revision 16191 of tags/0.7.0/
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21:42:35 <TinoDidriksen> Have to think differently...Subversion doesn't have tags. It's merely a copy of the trunk at that point in time, used for organizational purposes. You can even commit changes into a "tagged" branch. So it will still show increasing revision numbers, even if nothing in that part is changing.
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