IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-04-15
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01:37:29 <Patrick> forget money making massive games, I'ma gonna build me something pretty
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02:56:26 <DaleStan> [wito]: I was not aware there was a *callback* that industries could use to supply names for nearby stations.
03:03:09 <DaleStan> [wito]: The *property*, however, does exactly what the wiki says the property does. Nothing more.
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08:33:43 * dihedral dbus-slaps petern :-D
08:36:05 <Cybertinus> wision_: auw, that just got to hurd :p
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09:08:08 <Forked> I thought burping was pretty much the opposite of sucking .. stuff moves the other way
09:08:14 <TrueBrain> Today I have class from 1 to 5 ... but it is 23C outside
09:08:17 <TrueBrain> dunno if I can take that :(
09:18:19 <Rubidium> I know that I can't take the 23C outside at the moment ;)
09:19:16 <Rubidium> allergic reactions to the stuff in the air
09:20:30 <Rubidium> and not fancying having to go (almost) blind to the doctor for some prednison and friends
09:23:32 <XtaS> For a first time for about 5 years I try openttd and I'm hooked right away
09:23:53 <Rubidium> it's that old already?
09:24:05 <XtaS> wel, transport tycoon is old
09:24:17 <XtaS> thats the one I played back then. :)
09:24:36 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I am around here for 5 years now :p
09:24:55 <XtaS> But I was now wondering, I saw some 32bit textures. Is there any pack for them or anything?
09:24:56 <Rubidium> we totally forgot the 5 year anniversary of 0.1.1-0.1.4 last month and 0.2.0-0.3.0 this month
09:25:22 <Rubidium> if by pack you mean "a reasonably finished set of graphics" then no
09:27:04 <TrueBrain> "I joined OpenTTD in March 2004" <- I even missed celebrating my 5 years being here :p
09:27:18 <Rubidium> in 10 days a 0.3.1 5 year anniversary?
09:27:39 <Rubidium> hmm, how long ago was the r10000 party?
09:27:56 <totalwormage> let's celebrate 'ten days before 5 years 0.3.1' today eh?
09:28:21 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 10000
09:28:21 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit r10000 doesn't exists
09:28:26 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 10001
09:28:26 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by belugas :: r10001 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2007-05-31 15:40:36 UTC)
09:28:27 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Codechange: Add support for removing dynamically allocated newgrf data
09:28:29 <XtaS> awww, I'm not following at all anymore whats going on :D
09:28:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: almost 2 years :p
09:28:41 <Rubidium> could do the 'sorry, but 0.3.0 was released 5 years and 2 days ago'
09:32:20 <XtaS> hm, so can anyone point me to some direction with theses 32bit grapihics ? ;)
09:34:49 <XtaS> hmm, not quite sure what should I try from there
09:37:30 <XtaS> or in the 32bt thread i see single files so I'm up to change the models by one at the time?
09:38:19 <TrueBrain> 32bit graphics is very ... unorganized; so yeah, you need to find tons of files yourself and all add them in your data dir
09:38:25 <TrueBrain> don't forget to enable the 32bpp blitter :)
09:38:25 <Rubidium> as I said, there is not pack or so. You have to gather all the graphics and put them together
09:39:01 <Rubidium> heh, that blitter's almost 2 years old too
09:39:09 <TrueBrain> am I getting THAT old? :(
09:40:20 <petern> hehe, richk on a rant again :D
09:40:29 <Rubidium> you're not really getting older relatively to me
09:40:47 <Rubidium> unless... relativity
09:40:48 <petern> should i just reply that, actually, however nice his code was or wasn't, the main problem is his stupid attitude? :D
09:42:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I am pretty sure my average speed is about the same as your average speed, so we should be fine ;)
09:44:54 <Rubidium> true, but we always teased the physics teacher who said that your gravitational mass didn't differ from before you climb a flight of stairs till after you have climbed and descended to your point of origin
09:46:11 <Rubidium> physically that might be "true", but mathematically the f does differ
09:46:38 <TrueBrain> petern: lol @ thread .. some people really don't get how things wok :) I wish him good luck in real life ... :p
09:47:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the difference between those 2 groups :)
09:48:23 <TrueBrain> Astronomy is even more lovely ... seconds in a year is just Pi * 10^7 :)
09:48:32 <Rubidium> so mathematically speaking our ages have diverged/converged, but physically you're not able to meaure that
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10:00:23 <XtaS> What AI's you suggest to have? Convoy is a bit messed up with all those trucks :) admiralAI seems to work okay
10:00:34 <XtaS> so far, but any recommends for new ais?
10:00:57 <TrueBrain> Plural of AI is AIs ;)
10:01:16 <TrueBrain> and just download all of them :)
10:05:08 <TrueBrain> warning: DO NOT WATCH FRINGE while eating
10:13:07 <TrueBrain> petern: the rants continues :)
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11:36:35 <Forked> 13:37:16 ERROR 404: Not Found.
11:50:29 <Xaroth> guess somebody's left their joomla environments open
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12:05:31 <Noldo> someone testing new ways to use zombie networks?
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12:20:34 <jonty-comp> you'd think they'd at least use a valid link
12:21:50 <glx> anyway if someone wants to use it he will go on the official site
12:22:45 <glx> and the latest is 2.3.2-9
12:22:55 <Rubidium> I reckon it's uhm... a trojan
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12:26:35 <Xaroth> Noldo: there are some security issues with default installations of webservers and Joomla (some other big systems as well), that allows people to inject some code on a system.. that's what happens if they make it do a wget eggdrop; run eggdrop ...
12:26:53 <Xaroth> i've seen a few hundred attempts on our webserver the past week
12:27:29 <Xaroth> (which then fail because wget is chmo'ed to root-only, hrr hrr)
12:28:44 <Rubidium> then they'll just curl <file> | bash
12:31:03 <Xaroth> they'll face the same issue :)
12:32:50 <Rubidium> echo <some code> | php
12:33:38 <Xaroth> they'll have issues finding the PHP CLI :)
12:34:00 <Xaroth> fun part about php is that you don't need the CLI to run it as apache module
12:35:01 <Xaroth> plus we don't host perl sites atm
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12:47:03 <dihedral> why chmod all those apps, and not chroot the webserver ^^
13:01:35 <SpComb> chmod'ing wget to root-only is a rather poor solution...
13:02:07 <SpComb> why would you need to run network code with root priviledges just to download some file over HTTP?
13:02:41 <petern> people run PHP as an apache module? :s
13:02:47 <Xaroth> dihedral: because in this current setup chrooting wouldn't work :/
13:03:33 <Xaroth> and given the amount of sites we run on it, simply moving it to a chrooted system isn't as easy as 1 2 3
13:07:34 <dihedral> Xaroth, nobody said security was easy :-)
13:08:30 <petern> or whatever it's called
13:08:59 <petern> i mean for those users who want it
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13:14:09 <TinoDidriksen> Xaroth, look into mpm_itk - runs each vhost as the actual user.
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13:19:15 <petern> doesn't really help with the joomla issue :)
13:19:49 <Rubidium> joomla sucks anyways
13:20:27 <dihedral> typolight is nice, i think nicer than joomla
13:20:45 <Xaroth> it's always what the client wants
13:20:53 <Xaroth> client insists on joomla, you give him joomla
13:21:02 <Xaroth> if the client asks for the best, we give him what we want :)
13:21:06 <dihedral> "sorry - we dont host jommla"
13:21:41 <Xaroth> webhosting isn't our 'main' thing, so most people we host for are contacts in some form
13:21:46 <Xaroth> or people you want to have as contact
13:23:16 <Rubidium> oh noes... the end of the world!
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13:28:59 <TinoDidriksen> mpm_itk makes it easier. Any crap that gets through and runs will run as their user, not as a global apache. Easier to contain, kill, and plug the hole.
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13:44:34 <Xaroth> hrr hrr sexeh progressbar
13:44:55 <dihedral> you have a progressbar for sex?
13:45:02 <Xaroth> no, but this one's sexeh
13:45:32 <Xaroth> shows me how far it is with processing the servers from the master server
13:55:38 <Xaroth> if only those servers had feelings
13:55:44 <Xaroth> they'd all hate me by now
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14:08:46 <TinoDidriksen> Must be a kernel module for that somewhere... modprobe skynet ?
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14:27:12 <dihedral> after every kind of disconnect i am seeing a (connection lost)
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14:27:28 <dihedral> if leaving or a kick, the server reports that every time
14:30:45 <Zr40> are AIs currently broken?
14:31:45 <dihedral> Rubidium, last 2 messages ^
14:31:55 <dihedral> eh... my last 2 messages :-P
14:32:13 <Zr40> convoy v11 sends buses to depots instead of stations
14:32:41 <Zr40> admiralai v20 does the same
14:33:42 <Zr40> and it only builds coal trains
14:37:12 <Swallow> Do you use any road vehicle newgrfs?
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14:46:35 <Xaroth> I think something broke...
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14:51:19 <Zr40> Swallow, did you catch the screenshot?
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14:53:29 <Swallow> I'd post a savegame in the relevant AI topic
14:53:50 <Swallow> assuming it is a trunk or stable build
15:00:19 <LUADuck> Hey, more a question to get someone to shut up
15:00:42 <LUADuck> Can you enable building Primary Industries without source modifications?
15:00:58 <LUADuck> (even though PriBuilds would be horriably unbalanced)
15:01:33 <dihedral> read the wiki before asking again!
15:01:47 <LUADuck> What, is it a config option or something
15:03:28 <LUADuck> I'm missing your point
15:06:20 <petern> yes, you can enable it without source modification
15:06:43 <LUADuck> Can't find anything at wiki
15:06:51 <LUADuck> either that or it's staring me in the face
15:08:52 <Swallow> Search for "Primary industries" ?
15:10:16 * LUADuck slaps LUADuck around a bit with a large trout
15:11:32 * jonty-comp slaps LUATrout around with a large duck
15:15:24 <SpComb> struct luaL_ref lua_duck_methods[] = { ... };
15:16:01 <SpComb> make that `struct luaL_Reg`
15:21:34 * jonty-comp wonders what would happen if you told trac to display the changeset from r1 to r16000
15:23:26 <LUADuck> How do you change Industry Volume in .cfg?
15:23:32 <LUADuck> I know I CBA to go through the wiki
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15:28:28 <Xaroth> talking about stupid behavior
15:28:55 <dihedral> LUADuck, READ THE FUCKING WIKI
15:29:08 <Xaroth> A ListView in .net 1.0 doesn't have a Double Buffer ... in 2.0 it does
15:29:32 <Xaroth> yet if you use 2.0 (or 3.0) the default ListView will NOT use that property :/
15:32:47 <jonty-comp> that sounds rather silly
15:35:22 <Sacro> hmm, perhaps a listview is more what I need
15:44:07 <Xaroth> Sacro: create a class that inherits ListView, and on it's constructor: this.DoubleBuffered = true;
15:44:31 <Xaroth> the devs who did that could have EASILY done that.. it's 1 fooking line of code
15:44:43 <Xaroth> took me half an hour to figure out :/
15:53:59 <SpComb> should we have a majority vote?
15:54:57 <SpComb> then we can just continue burning Sacro on a stake for being ambiguous
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16:47:38 <Zuu> There seam to be an un-fixed error in trunk - AIs are unable to set orders.
16:47:59 <Zuu> AIOrder.AppendOrder returns false and the error is ERR_UNKNOWN.
16:48:33 <Zuu> (I have even tried NoCab which I know worked some time ago, and it also fails to set orders.)
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16:49:48 <Zuu> I have not downloaded and tried with last trunk, but looking on the change log since last nightly was generated I can't find anything that seams to be a fix to this.
16:54:47 <Swallow> I guess AppendOrder does not set the new near_end/middle/far_end flags correctly
16:56:01 <Zuu> Sounds like a good guess, and somehow that is needed for buses to :)
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17:30:39 <Rubidium> well, the router the server's connected has foobared before
17:31:20 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16062 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_order.cpp: -Fix (r16037): AIOrder::InsertOrder was broken. Default all AI orders to 'stop at far end'.
17:37:42 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16063 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r13752): MOF_COND_DESTINATION was not accepted by CmdModifyOrder(). (only used by AI)
17:38:07 <Zuu> Thank you frosch123 again!
17:38:32 <frosch123> dihedral: copy and paste works for me :)
17:39:29 <Rubidium> although technically it isn't quite a flag
17:39:34 <frosch123> Zuu: just the right thing after work :)
17:42:45 <Zuu> Too bad its CEST, so I have to wait until tomorrow time for next nightly, so I probably better compile my own binary, while thinking about what to make for dinner.
17:43:08 <Rubidium> you CEST is different from my CEST?
17:44:23 <frosch123> Zuu: does compiling yourself take longer than 50 minutes?
17:44:49 <Zuu> Or did I count wrong on hours ...
17:44:56 <Rubidium> frosch123: an UEBERFAT OSX binary would
17:44:58 <Zuu> Compiling myself would not be more than 10-15 minutes.
17:45:17 <frosch123> so you can finish it before the nightly starts
17:45:25 <Zuu> Inculding time for SVN and starting MSVC, as long as I make a debug-build.
17:46:25 <Rubidium> okay, that's without MSVC
17:47:43 <Rubidium> you already had it ;)
17:48:00 <Zuu> also allow some time for not using CLI :-p
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17:59:19 <Zuu> Confirmed that both Append/Insert order work and that SetOrderJumpTo works.
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19:48:24 <dihedral> is there a windows equivalent for stty (or rather stty size)?
19:52:36 <TrueBrain> what an anger one people can keep inside for 18 months ... suprising
19:53:12 <TrueBrain> oh, I was reading a bit more ranting
19:53:56 <petern> hmm, can't connect to tt-forums :s
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19:55:02 * frosch123 joined the ranting :)
19:55:17 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you only stated a normal opinion
19:55:21 <TrueBrain> that I don't call ranting :)
19:55:34 <TrueBrain> but giving your opinion on a community which you left 18 months ago .. is .. well .. ranting :)
19:56:13 <TrueBrain> but okay, I kind of enjoyed reading it :p
19:57:18 <petern> frosch123, congrats, you actually read it all :D
19:57:42 <frosch123> I you mean the specs, I read them over a year ago
19:58:01 <petern> or if i did, i forgot them :p
19:58:02 <TrueBrain> I read: newgrf blablabla var02 blablabla
19:58:09 <frosch123> I implemented them during one night in grf2html, as I thought they were properly designed and officially supported
19:58:10 <TrueBrain> somehow I never can get passed that blockade in my mind :p
19:58:21 <TrueBrain> (for any newgrf spec, for the record)
19:58:23 <frosch123> I also though they were designed with support by mr D
19:58:39 <frosch123> after actually implementing them, I was quite confused
19:59:12 <frosch123> I started to doubt my newgrf knowledge, because I though D had designed such a weird spec...
19:59:41 <frosch123> I don't know when I concluded, that my initial assumption must have been very wrong :)
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20:03:26 <TrueBrain> hmm .. starts to rain outside ...
20:04:22 <TrueBrain> bah, I can't find the right word ... but a nice .. 'essay' frosch123 :)
20:05:35 <TrueBrain> no .. bah, dictonary gives me no matches :(
20:06:15 <TrueBrain> "argumentation, logical_argument, line_of_reasoning, line" ... neither fits what I mean .. stupid languages!! :p
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20:24:03 <welshdragon> aah, DorpsGek is back
20:25:27 <dihedral> [22:21] <Mrs_Console> *** Johnny has left the game (leaving)
20:25:27 <dihedral> [22:21] <Mrs_Console> *** Johnny has left the game (connection lost)
20:25:46 <dihedral> every disconnect (if leaving or kick) is followed by a 'connection lost'
20:25:52 <dihedral> that aint quite right is it ^^
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20:36:04 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16064 /trunk/src/network/network_gamelist.cpp: -Fix: memory leak when querying a server multiple times.
20:37:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16065 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.h network_gui.cpp): -Fix: don't readd (and resolve) the last joined server each time the window gets repainted
20:44:24 * Rubidium doesn't even get an image when booting... too much wasted effort
20:44:51 <SmatZ> at least I can show I have 4 cores running ;)
20:44:56 <Rubidium> and everyone that reads the release notes would've known it
20:45:13 <SmatZ> I knew it, but still I was scared ;)
20:45:41 <SmatZ> it's been quite long time since release :)
20:45:49 <Prof_Frink> I get an image, but it's not penguinous.
20:49:25 <petern> booting? what's booting?
20:49:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16066 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix: another memory leak.
20:51:08 <Prof_Frink> petern: Something I'll be well-equipped to do at work tomorrow.
20:51:49 <dihedral> i dont boot often enough to see what is displayed ^^
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21:03:05 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: how am I now suppose to sleep?!
21:05:07 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: *scary noises*
21:05:28 <TrueBrain> and there is lightning in the background too
21:05:59 <SmatZ> beware of whatever is waiting under your bed, TrueBrain
21:06:16 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: my bed is directly connected to the ground
21:06:23 <TrueBrain> so .. that will be hard :p
21:06:48 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: the bed itself is hungry
21:07:00 <SmatZ> BED *om nom nom nom* TB
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23:28:26 <LUADuck> Snakey125 asks: Are the devs gunna balance Helicopters in a stable / trunk?
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23:37:27 <TinoDidriksen> Are they tipping over?
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23:45:59 <[wito]> Am I the only one that finds cargodist to be a bit buggy?
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