IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-04-08
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00:01:14 <Sacro> Shouldn't subsiduaries be sorted by due date?
00:02:26 <Rubidium> we don't have subsiduaries
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00:03:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15972 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h core/udp.cpp network.cpp): -Codechange: remove unneeded parameter
00:04:46 <Rubidium> don't quite care about subsidies ;)
00:05:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15973 /trunk/src/network/network.cpp: -Codechange: make it possible to listen on multiple TCP sockets
00:10:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15974 /trunk/src/network/core/host.cpp: -Fix (r15969): win32 compilation was broken (again)
00:27:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15975 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h core/udp.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: register each of the IPs we have bound to to the masterserver
00:41:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15976 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Codechange: make it a bit more clear for what (type of) address binding fails
00:43:21 <SpComb> Rubidium: register them as separate servers?
00:45:08 <Rubidium> at this right moment yes, but in the near future no
00:48:17 <SpComb> although I don't see anything in the diff that does that
00:50:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15977 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: use more of the goodies of trunk ;)
01:23:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15978 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.h network.cpp): -Codechange: support parsing [] enclosed IPv6 addresses.
01:23:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15979 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Codechange: tweak the debug/warning levels of some of the messages when binding
01:50:06 <EoD> everyone already asleep...
02:09:00 <EoD> Rubidium: Great work! I had some problem with "strange packets" (the dbg said so) the first time, but afterwards everything seemed to be fine :)
02:10:25 <EoD> I connected via console as the gui isn't ready, yet
02:12:08 <EoD> if anyone is interested: [2001:6f8:1022:0:cafe::2]:3980
02:13:41 <EoD> r15979 with random newgrf from bananas
02:13:48 <EoD> wish everyone a good night, bye
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05:06:20 <named1029> I am running Gentoo and have installed OpenTTD using emerge. I cannot find the executable
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06:44:14 <dihedral> Rubidium, i like all the networkstuff going on ;-)
06:48:24 <petern> tcp6 0 0 :::3979 :::* LISTEN 2589/openttd
06:50:54 <petern> dbg: [net] Client connected from [::1] on frame 1086
06:52:18 <Gekz> IPv6 is not part of the original matrix
06:52:22 <Gekz> this shit is bust wide open yo
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08:42:42 * jonty-comp has an ipv6 server listening, apparently
08:43:00 <jonty-comp> although now I'm waiting for the svn to compile on my home pc ._.
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08:45:02 <jonty-comp> the DEP CHECK bit always takes forever :(
08:46:18 <jonty-comp> bah, an error in one of those squirrel libraries
08:46:45 <petern> no squirrel libraries required
08:47:10 <petern> and install xutils-dev as makedepend is much faster
08:48:54 <AshKyd> Just finished the massivest super massive OSM data gathering trip everrrrrrr.
08:49:10 <AshKyd> My arms and legs are sore, but I had fun. ^_^
08:52:33 <DJNekkid> petern: what would the format of a CB36 with a 85 and not a 81 be?
08:53:12 <DJNekkid> something along this:
08:53:13 <DJNekkid> -1 * 0 02 00 CC 85 10 00 FF 01 00 80 \w376 14 14 00 FF
08:54:03 <petern> you just test a word instead of a byte
08:54:41 <DJNekkid> well, the clue is, i want to return the value 376
08:55:02 <petern> you return a callback result
08:55:14 <petern> 81 vs 85 has no bearing on the result
08:55:46 <DJNekkid> but it can make me return a value higher then 255, or have i misunderstood?
08:55:57 <petern> you have misunderstood
08:56:04 <AshKyd> Oh hello, this is *way* not the Open Street Map channel. Gawd, I’m dumb sometimes.
08:56:29 <jonty-comp> the keys are like right next to each other
08:56:35 <petern> maybe you were mapping ttd towns :D
08:56:40 <AshKyd> Yeah, I’ve got both on my buddy list, I clicked the wrong one. :/
08:56:44 <jonty-comp> anyway, most people in this channel talk nonsense, so we don't mind :p
08:57:15 <DJNekkid> so, how would i be able to return/create a number higher then 255 ?
08:57:40 <DJNekkid> and remove 256 from 377?
08:57:51 <petern> that means, in binary 1 0000000
08:58:05 <petern> those 7 zeroes are part of the callback result
08:58:44 <petern> the only condition is you can't return 11111111 cos that means it's an 8 bit callback value
08:59:10 <petern> if the cb36 is only expecting an 8bit value it makes no difference
08:59:28 <petern> which property are you doing?
09:00:31 <petern> yeah, that'll take 15 bits
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09:07:29 <petern> whatever the value should be
09:07:54 <petern> it's probably best *not* to mix \b LSB and a hex MSB though
09:09:26 <petern> i'd put "78 81" with a comment at the end mentioning it's 376
09:15:12 <jonty-comp> If I must compile it under VC++... :(
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09:51:39 <Xaroth> hypothechnically, it should be more than doable for a 3rd party application to prod an openttd server and get it's info, right?
09:51:42 * jonty-comp tries to figure out how to connect to his ipv6 server
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09:57:24 <jonty-comp> I can connect to it via the command-line
09:57:29 <jonty-comp> and it seems to be working ipv6-y
09:57:45 <jonty-comp> but it doesn't show up on the masterserver, and I can't add it as a server in the menu
09:58:03 <jonty-comp> but it is an ipv6 test server!
09:58:06 <jonty-comp> at [2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1]:3979
09:58:21 * jonty-comp sets up vps.ipv6.jontysewell.net
09:59:10 <Xaroth> i'm long glad my company has 2 /24 ranges.. 1 for customers, 1 to test stuff with :P
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09:59:15 <jonty-comp> dbg: [net] Client connected from [2001:5c0:1400:b::a91] on frame 2663
09:59:17 <Xaroth> (aka, 1 for work, 1 for openttd)
09:59:44 <jonty-comp> I'm probably forgetting something obvious re. not appearing on the masterserver
09:59:50 <jonty-comp> I usually do that kind of thing
09:59:55 <petern> jonty-comp, yeah, the server list stuff doesn't support ipv6 yet
10:00:10 <petern> should be able to connect directly though
10:00:14 <jonty-comp> but I had to do openttd.exe -n
10:00:20 <jonty-comp> well, that's good to know
10:00:30 <Rubidium> the serverlist doesn't do IPv6 yet
10:00:32 <Xaroth> petern: network_data.h contains all the stuffs i need to make a 3rd party app that can read a server's info, right?
10:00:42 <jonty-comp> I shall mess about a bit and generate some traffic
10:01:08 <Rubidium> primarily because the "get serverlist" stuff isn't implemented yet
10:01:26 <jonty-comp> I'm just happy that you're doing it at all :D
10:01:36 <jonty-comp> this world needs more people future-proofing things
10:02:04 <Rubidium> later today I could start the test masterserver/updater, but that requires you to do some local modifications
10:02:31 <jonty-comp> well I have nothing in particular to do today
10:02:42 <jonty-comp> so if you want to use me as a crash test dummy feel free :p
10:03:52 <jonty-comp> oops, I seem to have made the map 2048x128
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10:06:31 <Xaroth> jonty-comp: should make a nice race track innit?
10:09:36 <Xaroth> network_data.h has been renamed i think
10:09:53 <Rubidium> the wiki w.r.t. the network protocol is totally out of date
10:10:20 <Xaroth> more fiddling for me then
10:11:13 <Rubidium> Xaroth: take a look at openttdlib
10:11:34 <Rubidium> that's a php library that can query a server
10:12:03 <dihedral> openttdlib.dihedral.de
10:12:22 <Xaroth> main fun will be to port that to C# :P
10:12:54 <dihedral> you can port that to anything you like ;-)
10:12:55 <Xaroth> dihedral: aren't you also somewhat responsible for the autopilot thingie?
10:13:07 <dihedral> ap+ and avignon, yes
10:13:38 <petern> is the new master server backward compatible?
10:13:46 <Xaroth> was fiddling with ottdcoop's autopilot thingie from the svn, managed to fubar it quite good :P
10:13:54 <petern> the session key changes looked somewhat different...
10:14:04 <Xaroth> so started googling, and noticed your name a few million times
10:14:16 <dihedral> Xaroth, svn.openttdcoop.org/tools/autopilot/branches/ap+
10:14:25 <jonty-comp> hmm, now I need some more IPs
10:14:37 * jonty-comp asks orudge for a gazillion IPs
10:15:03 <Xaroth> i tried the main autopilot branch, but since some things have changed in the console output (i think) it went nutters with the irc plugin
10:16:13 <Xaroth> would put it as desktop if it'd fit :p
10:17:07 <jonty-comp> that is... impressively awesome.
10:18:00 <dihedral> Xaroth, the original autopilot has not been touched in ages
10:18:17 <dihedral> the author simply does not have the time anymore
10:18:30 <jonty-comp> well, it's quite awesome as it is
10:18:37 <dihedral> ap+ will not have any new stuff to it either anymore, as we are working on a complete rewrite
10:18:54 <jonty-comp> I meant to set it up the other day for messing-about purposes, but I got distracted when a pigeon flew into the window
10:19:43 <dihedral> ap+ allows you to do a few more things ;-)
10:20:52 <dihedral> avignon is not yet usable ;-)
10:22:33 <Rubidium> neither is IPv6 in OpenTTD yet ;)
10:22:45 <Xaroth> dihedral: impressive code.
10:27:03 <petern> your lack of rdns disturbs me
10:27:28 <petern> your lack of rdns disturbs me
10:29:17 <EoD> hmmm, net. has rdns.. Maybe i should update it when i have some time left
10:29:58 <EoD> and 2001:6f8:1022:0:cafe::2 has rdns
10:30:36 <EoD> uk.binaries.openttd.org ?
10:30:53 <jonty-comp> grr, lighttpd seems unable to bind to a specific IP for some reason
10:31:01 <petern> jonty-comp, you're doing it wrong :D
10:33:21 <EoD> has anyone tried [2001:6f8:1022:0:cafe::2]:3980 already?
10:33:44 <petern> my ipv6 is not connected yet
10:34:00 <jonty-comp> EoD: I spent a good hour trying to figure it all out
10:34:17 * jonty-comp connects to EoD's server, for his is laggy and he doesn't know whether it's his VPS or his tunnel that's causing it
10:34:45 <EoD> i could try another computer/tunnel if you want to
10:34:49 <jonty-comp> I haven't started it yet D:
10:35:00 <jonty-comp> I started my own ipv6 server, but it's somewhat laggy
10:35:04 <jonty-comp> it's probably freenet6
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10:35:38 <EoD> i have a computer which has native ipv6 if you think it's my tunnel
10:35:51 <jonty-comp> newgrf mismatch D:
10:36:08 <jonty-comp> should I just download the whole of bananas? :p
10:36:33 <EoD> one moment, i'll remove some of the newgrf's
10:36:43 <jonty-comp> content download system
10:40:30 <EoD> petern: Do you want to join, too? ;)
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11:08:07 <EoD> dbg: [net] Connecting to 2001:4ca0:4f03:1:224:8cff:fe3e:73a0:3979 (IPv4)
11:08:17 <EoD> interesting... a very interesting ipv4 ;)
11:08:47 <EoD> dbg: [net] 'EoD' made an error and has been disconnected. Reason: 'received strange packet' - also very interesting??
11:10:35 <EoD> on the second try, it worked fine
11:12:28 <jonty-comp> oops, forgot to see what company I was
11:12:35 <jonty-comp> third 'unnamed company' :
11:17:15 <jonty-comp> I know what company number I am now though :D
11:20:22 <dihedral> EoD: i have seen 'received strange packet' a few times
11:20:32 <dihedral> which country are you connecting from / to?
11:28:27 <EoD> i'm connecting through demuc02.sixxs.net
11:28:35 <dihedral> i saw it about 10 times and each time it was a connection from SA ^^
11:28:46 <petern> so the same person? :p
11:29:11 <petern> bah, my server keeps picking up auto assigned ipv6 address :/
11:29:13 <dihedral> and it only happened the first time they connected
11:30:13 <EoD> i never had this with ipv4
11:30:28 <jonty-comp> I have seen it perhaps once before
11:30:53 <EoD> i had it on every ipv6 server so far
11:31:15 <jonty-comp> it could just be the tunnels causing confusion
11:31:52 <EoD> may someelse start an ipv6 server for testing?
11:32:11 <petern> well, it's WIP, no one said it would work, or is finished ;p
11:32:17 <jonty-comp> at 2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1
11:32:26 <jonty-comp> whatever it normally is
11:32:32 <jonty-comp> 3979? I can't remember
11:32:50 <jonty-comp> it's not doing anything at the moment though
11:32:53 <jonty-comp> it's just running :p
11:32:58 <jonty-comp> I should stick some AIs on it
11:33:25 <jonty-comp> dbg: [net] Client connected from [2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] on frame 181560
11:33:27 <EoD> petern: yes, that why someone need s to do the testing/debugging ;)
11:33:28 <jonty-comp> dbg: [net] Closed client connection 4
11:33:38 <Skalle> would anyone have any idea why I'd get a segfault when trying to "find servers"? (a number of servers show up in the list half a second before the segfault though)
11:34:01 <EoD> Skalle: Did you compile it yourself? DId you make a "make clean" before compiling?
11:34:25 <EoD> jonty-compy: nothing else? no strange packets?
11:34:43 <dihedral> ha! the root of all evil: did you compile it yourself :-P
11:34:52 <EoD> jonty-comp: NewGRF mismatch
11:35:25 <Skalle> I did not compile it myself; I downloaded it yesterday using apt-get in ubuntu: I played single player a little yesterday, and it worked
11:35:28 <jonty-comp> they should all be from bananas again
11:35:47 <jonty-comp> there's av8, and ukrs, and egrvts and generic trams I think
11:35:51 <jonty-comp> and some other crap
11:35:59 <jonty-comp> not that they are crap
11:36:26 <dihedral> Skalle, which version / revision?
11:36:59 <jonty-comp> oh wait, it's nars, not ukrs
11:37:11 <EoD> jonty-comp: I have everything from bananas
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11:37:44 <Skalle> it only says 0.6.0 so I guess that's the one
11:37:50 <jonty-comp> perhaps it's a different version
11:37:53 <dihedral> that is a pretty old version
11:38:13 <Skalle> maybe I should compile it myself then
11:38:27 <dihedral> you just need to fetch a newer version
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11:39:31 <petern> i'd guess one of the debian packages should work
11:41:48 <EoD> is you banans up to date?
11:41:49 <dihedral> then find out which ones they are
11:42:01 <Rubidium> EoD: IPv6 isn't meant to be working all okay and correctly at the moment
11:42:12 <jonty-comp> I'll just remove all the ones I know might be out of date
11:42:20 <dihedral> bananas lets you download older versions if you have the id etc.
11:42:21 <EoD> i've to leave now cafeteria closes at 2pm and i need about half an hour to get there
11:42:22 <jonty-comp> now it only has egrvts and av8
11:42:30 <dihedral> i.e. connecting to a server should not be a prob
11:42:37 <EoD> Rubidium: Yeah, that's why i thought you could need some support testing it :)
11:42:39 <Rubidium> EoD: don't bother, you won't make it
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11:57:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15980 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Codechange: don't try to bind to the same socket twice; it's quite pointless.
12:09:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15981 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h network.cpp): -Fix: don't print the address family when writing the IP+port to the config file.
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12:30:13 <jonty-comp> -!- no PONG reply in 60 seconds, disconnecting
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12:48:25 <jonty-comp> hmm, so our school claims to go through JANET
12:49:31 <jonty-comp> internet infrastructure
12:49:40 <jonty-comp> for UK colleges and schools
12:50:03 * jonty-comp shall bug the network admin about ipv6
12:50:10 <jonty-comp> but now, I must eat my lunch!
12:50:54 <dihedral> jonty-comp, what school?
12:50:57 <petern> janet used to be a superfast university only network
12:51:04 <petern> now everything else is just as fast,
12:51:05 <dihedral> or rather, which side of the school are you in
12:51:57 <dihedral> because as student / pupil - you can hardly bug anybody on the admin team ^^
12:52:18 <dihedral> all you can do is annoy, and that will have the opposite effect of what you are after ^^
12:53:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15982 /trunk/src/ (46 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: use GetAddressAsString to get the name instead of passing the hostname and the IP into a string.
12:53:31 <EoD> dihedral: actually i am a student and i'm bothering the admin team every now and then :)
12:54:15 * dihedral remembers his time of being admin at colleges in oxford ^^
12:56:19 <petern> after i stole an SS5 from them
12:57:49 <dihedral> i specifically recall one student (at that time he was computer rep) and he tried to gable his way back into an on-campus room ^^
12:58:06 <petern> actually they were in a skip
12:58:13 <dihedral> (all students were at that time required to for one year live outside)
12:58:27 <petern> not much left by the time i got there, hence ended up with an ss5
12:58:39 <dihedral> he said, he'd only do computer-rep again for another year if they gave him a room in college ^^
12:58:47 <dihedral> the answer came very quick
12:59:04 <dihedral> petern, when was that?
12:59:28 * dihedral dreams of some very good pub lunches
12:59:40 <dihedral> radcliffe arms.... yumm
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13:00:13 <petern> i was just thinking "you should've said you were there"
13:00:21 <petern> then i remembered the timescales involved...
13:01:46 <dihedral> hehe - svn dump, original size: 2.5GB.... after filtering... 1.6GB :-D
13:02:12 <dihedral> petern, i am really would love to know which college you visited :-P
13:02:40 <dihedral> or maps.live.com :-D
13:02:41 <petern> i don't remember where it was
13:03:01 <dihedral> recall any bus stops?
13:03:18 <petern> i drove there, so no :p
13:03:26 <EoD> any street name you remember?
13:03:53 <EoD> any shop you remember? Any other special object?
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13:12:14 <welshdragon> Belugas_Gone: your wife not killed you yet then?
13:13:58 <Belugas_Gone> i sneaked in with chocolates :)
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13:15:20 <jonty-comp> dihedral: well they owe me a lot
13:15:36 <jonty-comp> I found a virus that had infected a classroomfull of computers
13:16:05 <welshdragon> jonty-comp: orly?
13:16:19 <jonty-comp> and my windows desktop broke in October and despite half the IT department having the same problem they have yet to do anything about it
13:16:33 <jonty-comp> I did bug them enough to give us optical mice in the sixth form area
13:17:04 <jonty-comp> we had these awful old ps/2 mice with balls full of fluff, but they had glued the little door shut so nobody could break them/clean them >_>
13:17:30 <EoD> we got two phenom II (2.8ghz) last week
13:17:38 <dihedral> ipv6 is a bit more work
13:17:51 <jonty-comp> I will do it for them!
13:18:02 <jonty-comp> with my track record they can't turn down that offer
13:18:11 <EoD> don't you have native ipv6?
13:18:24 * dihedral loved it when students thought that high of themselves ^^
13:18:42 <jonty-comp> I'm waiting for my present ISP to go bankrupt so I can switch to entanet, who do native ipv6
13:18:59 <jonty-comp> JANET might have native though, they're usually quite good at this sort of thing
13:19:09 <EoD> we have native ipv6 at all our universities in munich
13:19:21 <jonty-comp> of course if tiscali goes bust then they probably won't give us a mac code :/
13:19:21 <EoD> actually a lot of NATs/Firewalls block IPv6 :-S
13:19:40 <EoD> jonty-comp: I'm waiting for my isp to get native ipv6 ;)
13:20:01 * petern wonders if entanet will peer
13:20:06 <jonty-comp> the only thing stopping it in the UK is BT >_>
13:20:29 <jonty-comp> there's a bug in the cisco routers apparently, and they haven't fixed it yet
13:20:42 <dihedral> eclipse internet gives you a subnet for free if you ask for one :-P
13:20:43 <jonty-comp> so some people might get it
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13:21:10 <dihedral> i did prefer them over a bunch of other isp's
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13:22:16 <EoD> jonty-comp: all our switches are replaced at the moment. In a few month we have Gigabit (or maybe 10GB) ethernet everywhere
13:22:42 <petern> jonty-comp, only some of the cisco routers...
13:22:51 <petern> i just need 7204 firmware :s
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13:23:32 <jonty-comp> petern: enough for them to officially not support it, though
13:27:03 <petern> "not support" isn't the same as "won't work" :)
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13:32:59 * petern ponders another addition to the foe list
13:39:40 <petern> pausing an mp3 stream is not that useful
13:42:36 <petern> just confuses it when you unpause, heh
13:47:33 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Eddi* could be Eddi|zuHause (4 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 24 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause2 (7 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 39 minutes, and 49 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause3 (35 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause4 (38 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 54 seconds ago), or Eddi|nichZuHause (44 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 1 minute, and 33 seconds ago)
13:47:54 <Xaroth> I bet it's the last one.
13:49:55 <Belugas> or all of them, in fact ^_^
13:50:53 <DorpsGek> petern: ago), spasm_ (4 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), Felicitus (4 days, 17 hours, 15 minutes, and 49 seconds ago), KenjiE20 (4 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), rowney (4 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), valhallasw (4 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 24 seconds ago), TrueBrain (4 days, 21 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), frodsham (4 days, 22 hours, 1 minute, and 54 (40 more messages)
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13:52:49 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
13:53:05 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for dihedral
13:53:09 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for petern
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14:23:47 <Xaroth> I take it the text info in the server info packet is all ascii encoded?
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14:39:21 * jonty-comp gets his cygwin out
14:39:59 <jonty-comp> ...which is broken
14:40:09 * jonty-comp goes to find cygwin setup program
14:40:18 <jonty-comp> It would be easier if I were in linux, but I broke grub
14:42:38 <jonty-comp> is this on r15982?
14:42:55 <Forked> cygwin to compile for win32?
14:43:13 <jonty-comp> I'll just do it on the vps again
14:43:19 <jonty-comp> which I had somewhat forgotten about
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14:43:26 <Forked> also what is this vps thing? :)
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14:43:30 <Forked> "very private server"? =p
14:43:55 <jonty-comp> Well, it compiles ridiculously fast
14:44:02 <jonty-comp> for a dual-cpu quad-core Xeon server :p
14:44:06 * jonty-comp slows the forums down a bit
14:44:08 <Xaroth> think VMWare ESX/VMWare Server and/or others
14:45:56 <jonty-comp> that said the load averages while compiling are still only 0.88 0.35 0.12 =)
14:46:21 <jonty-comp> how do I set more threads?
14:46:50 <jonty-comp> well, it's finished now anyway
14:46:57 <petern> 2 per core is generally the norm
14:47:02 <lolman> 1 thread pre core +1 actually ;)
14:47:12 <petern> everyone says something different
14:47:31 <lolman> I always use -j5 for my quad ;)
14:47:36 <Xaroth> jonty-comp: you compiling directly on the host machine or something?
14:48:08 <jonty-comp> dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
15:15:56 <Xaroth> in case anybody knows, the packets sent, their length indicator is that 1) with the 2 bytes for packet length included and 2) with the 2 bytes for packet type included ?
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15:17:41 <petern> length is the length of the whole packet
15:18:12 <Xaroth> er, yeh, my bad, cheers
15:18:32 <Rubidium> Xaroth: read src/network/core/udp.h
15:18:45 <Xaroth> had some old code floating about, but that was only calculating data length rather than packet length
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15:20:22 <petern> dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
15:20:23 <petern> dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
15:20:23 <petern> dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
15:21:25 <Xaroth> Rubidium: I kept looking at the wrong places for that info, cheers :)
15:23:52 <jonty-comp> I have two session keys
15:24:02 <petern> not so much of an exploit, as you have to know the port
15:24:03 <jonty-comp> and two IPs, if that has any relation
15:24:29 <jonty-comp> except I told it to bind to the ipv6 one only
15:25:00 <jonty-comp> it does say it's also listening on 0.0.0.0 (ipv4) as well as the ipv6 address though
15:27:04 <Rubidium> the master socket binding needs some tweaking
15:27:30 <Rubidium> in 'client' mode it should bind to "any" and in 'server' mode it should bind to the server bind ip
15:28:48 <glx> jonty-comp: servers list shows only one IP
15:31:04 <Rubidium> still need a way to prevent duplicate servers (once via IPv4 and once via IPv6) in the in-game server list
15:32:21 <Rubidium> assuming you request the IPv4 addresses over IPv4 and the IPv6 addresses over IPv6 (i.e. two queries to the master server)
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15:38:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15983 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: store the IPv6 socket information in the database and make it possible to query on the IPv4 or IPv6 sockets.
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17:42:56 <George> peternm Rubidium, glx: I have a question about future plans for OTTD development
17:43:29 <George> What are the probabilities to have new possibilities for RVs
17:44:19 <George> I mean ARVs overtake, realistic acceleration, RVs assembling (like trains)
17:44:46 <George> may be some other chnages?
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17:51:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15984 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/udp.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: prepare the UDP receiver to process multiple types of returned server lists.
17:53:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15985 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:53:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-08 17:53:32
17:53:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)
17:53:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1)
17:53:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 changed by kristjans (1)
17:53:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: galician - 7 fixed by Condex (7)
17:53:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: malay - 2 fixed by tombakemas (2)
17:54:10 <Rubidium> George: maybe, maybe not... personally I'm not working on any of those things
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17:55:14 <George> and do anybody do? Is it possible to know if some one has any plans about it?
17:58:21 <Rubidium> no; we didn't know michi_cc had a plan of coding another PBS until he came with the code
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18:05:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15986 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/masterserver/ (handler.cpp main.cpp masterserver.h udp.cpp): [MSU] -Codechange: prepare the masterserver for multiple types of 'get server list' requests and replies.
18:25:31 <petern> stuff just happens, heh
18:37:17 <EoD> dihedral , do you manage the AutoNightly openttd server? do you think you'll set up an ipv6 tunnel in the near future?
18:42:10 <DJNekkid> what does this mean? i have never gotten it before... //!!Warning (172): Offset 5: A shift-and var-adjust would suffice here.
18:42:39 <DaleStan> Ask the documentation.
18:43:52 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I played today with the newest 2cc and found an oddity.
18:45:02 <planetmaker> I had multiple passanger ICs running - which I then (rather accidentially) replaced by BigBoys
18:45:13 <planetmaker> which then turned all wagons in some orientations into ?
18:45:20 <planetmaker> into question marks
18:47:56 <Ammler> wrong number of waggons?
18:47:58 <planetmaker> just looked it up: detailed name: InterCity125 with 2cc MU PAX coach auto replaced by Big Boy
18:48:23 <planetmaker> And I don't think Big Boy is a MU train :P
18:48:24 <DaleStan> Hmm... If I'd written it now, I'd've mentioned that the most common reason for that message is that <div/mod> is zero or one, and <add> is zero.
18:48:26 <Ammler> I know that from DBSet
18:49:00 <planetmaker> so I wondered whether I should be able to do that replacement at all...
18:50:07 <planetmaker> but what really puzzled me was the fact that the wagons were fine in the horizontal view, but questionmarks when going along the grid lines of the map
18:50:48 <frosch123> planetmaker: likely you got the depotview sprites :)
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18:51:12 <planetmaker> he :) that might be, yes. No idea :)
18:51:21 <planetmaker> Anyway I consider it a bug of the newgrf :)
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19:00:35 <Ammler> if you can replace a engine to a engine of an other type, it would be a bug of autoreplace ;-)
19:01:20 <frosch123> hint: it is the purpose of autoreplace to replace an engine to an engine of an other type
19:07:27 <Ammler> (I meant, other category like big boy to mu
19:11:23 <fonsinchen> I'll create another "subproject" in the dev section of the wiki for cargo distribution
19:11:32 <fonsinchen> that forum entry is getting unwieldy
19:14:03 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: The alignment of the KZ2A is also off by quite a bit.
19:14:32 <planetmaker> especially in the train info window, but also in the build screen (at least when I attache coal (self discharge hoppers))
19:29:11 <Muxy> i have a question regarding client name string length
19:29:30 <Muxy> in a network multiplayer game of course
19:30:15 <Muxy> what is max length of this item : client_name. there is a constant NETWORK_CLIENT_NAME_LENGTH defined to 25
19:30:42 <Muxy> but when sending client name across network the define NETWORK_NAME is used (80)
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19:34:50 <Muxy> hum i found in the struct NetworkClientInfo my answer : it's defined to NETWORK_CLIENT_NAME_LENGTH
19:37:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15987 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_udp.cpp network_udp.h): -Fix: make the master socket only listen on the IP the server is bound to.
19:39:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15988 /trunk/src/ (network/network_gui.cpp settings_type.h): -Fix: inconsistency between using NETWORK_NAME_LENGTH and NETWORK_CLIENT_NAME_LENGTH for the length of client names.
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20:31:31 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Oi gameloser! What d'ya want?
20:33:21 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: that's naaaaaaaasty
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20:43:20 <jonty-comp> Sacro: but nessecary.
20:43:35 <Prof_Frink> jonty-comp: Try again.
20:43:56 <jonty-comp> I always spell nessecary wrong
20:44:03 <jonty-comp> unless I spelt it right
20:44:13 <jonty-comp> PuTTY doesn't have a spell checker
20:45:56 <jonty-comp> but that went to bed after lunch :(
20:46:15 <Prof_Frink> Wake the lazy sod up.
20:46:34 <jonty-comp> I dunno, you don't want to see it when it's angry
20:50:26 <jonty-comp> hurr, 30 second compilation
20:50:33 <jonty-comp> that -j 8 worked quite well
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20:59:09 <Sacro> i think when creative say "98 to XP, IE5.5+"
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21:03:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15989 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Fix (r15987: segfault due to uninitialised sockets.
21:08:13 <TrueBrain> no, the correct reply is: lalala
21:11:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15990 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: provide a thread safe variant of GetAddressAsString.
21:14:12 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: you trained him well.. only took you a minute :P
21:14:31 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: some people, I won't tell their names (petern), never learn :(
21:14:58 <Xaroth> right, time to see if this works
21:15:15 <TrueBrain> being send back and forward by leaseweb .. how lovely :) I love people who can read my emails ... :p
21:15:36 <TrueBrain> forgetting the word 'new' in a javascript can cause nasty errors :)
21:15:57 <Xaroth> leaseweb, hm, rings a bell
21:16:17 <TrueBrain> in general, they are nice :)
21:16:25 <Xaroth> think they also have servers in the datacenter we're at
21:16:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15991 /trunk/src/network/network_gamelist.cpp: -Fix: don't add 0.0.0.0/:: to the server list; you can't connect to them in any case
21:16:38 <TrueBrain> if you are in Evo, you can't miss them :p
21:16:54 <TrueBrain> then you should not 'think' that .. you should hav enoticed more than once :p
21:17:06 <TrueBrain> they arrange the tech-support for Evo :p
21:17:13 <Xaroth> I really don't pay attention when running around evo :P
21:17:24 <TrueBrain> when you enter, you at least see 3 times the words: LEASEWEB
21:17:42 <TrueBrain> next time, pay attention ;) :p
21:17:42 <Xaroth> hm, must check that out some time
21:17:48 <TrueBrain> check shirts of personal ;)
21:17:56 <Xaroth> they read EvoSwitch ...
21:18:01 <Xaroth> nice blue shirts etc :P
21:18:08 <TrueBrain> and also the words: LeaseWeb :p
21:18:29 <Xaroth> then again, i don't pay attention :P
21:18:48 <Xaroth> me being in the datacenter is those moments that you don't want to, but your job requires you to
21:18:58 <TrueBrain> I know that problem :)
21:19:01 <TrueBrain> I run myself around there too :p
21:19:23 <Xaroth> i just pick random aisles(sp?) in our room until i see the wikipedia logos
21:19:28 <Xaroth> seeing our servers are right next to those
21:19:36 <Xaroth> and we don't have our logos up yet
21:20:09 <TrueBrain> I like running up and down the racks .. lights going on and off :)
21:20:12 <TrueBrain> just love doing that :p
21:20:15 <TrueBrain> can't help myself :)
21:20:59 <Xaroth> i'm long glad there's locks on the racks
21:21:14 <TrueBrain> which DC wouldn't have locks on their rack?!
21:21:27 <Xaroth> our last datacenter had separate rooms
21:21:31 <Rubidium> someone here with IPv6 and a big endian machine?
21:21:37 <Xaroth> so didn't need locks on racks
21:22:13 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: fair enough :)
21:23:05 <TrueBrain> reminds me .. this Saturday I have to go down there again ....
21:23:27 <TrueBrain> because there will be downtime
21:23:31 <TrueBrain> and companies dislike that somehow :p
21:23:36 <jonty-comp> Rubidium: if I knew what big-endian meant, I might be able to give you an answer
21:23:49 <TrueBrain> so .. you schedule it outside office hours .. and I dislike going at night :p
21:23:50 <Xaroth> well we did move all our servers on a thursday evening
21:23:56 <Xaroth> from.. 20:00 to 06:00 :/
21:24:07 <Xaroth> nice 10 hour server-moving shift
21:24:10 <Xaroth> after a nice 9 hour work day
21:24:35 <TrueBrain> when we moved to Evo I had about the same :p It doesn't even matter how much servers you move ... you take 10 hours to move shit :(
21:24:48 <Xaroth> well actually it took us 5 dyas
21:24:49 <TrueBrain> well, I was done at 0400 :)
21:24:54 <Xaroth> but that was due to ESX moving etc
21:24:59 <Xaroth> i absolutely love that stuff
21:25:05 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: do you have an x86/amd64 based computer? If so, then you've got little endian
21:25:09 <TrueBrain> Deploying ESXi saturday ;) :p
21:25:33 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: BE is out-dated :p
21:25:44 <Xaroth> we have 2 nice big ESX machines that took over for 6 old 'normal' ESX machines for this move
21:25:57 <Xaroth> separate vlan arranged from SARA to evo
21:26:13 <Xaroth> so we could move stuff with just 5 minutes downtime per instance
21:26:52 <jonty-comp> oh, so a brand new Xeon isn't going to be big-endian then
21:26:55 <jonty-comp> Rubidium: reading it now
21:27:00 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: LOL! No, not really :)
21:27:09 <TrueBrain> even Apple threw it away :)
21:27:20 <jonty-comp> admittedly a lot of it is gibberish, but I file that kind of thing and make sense of it in a few years :P
21:28:02 <TrueBrain> wow, what an unclear article ..
21:30:02 <Xaroth> jonty-comp: Basically it means how it stores bytes of data
21:30:07 <Xaroth> one goes left-to-right
21:30:23 <Sacro> Rubidium: I might be able to get ipv6 and BE
21:30:26 <Xaroth> obviously you can't read something left-to-right if it's written right-to-left
21:30:31 <Xaroth> that would make no sense
21:30:43 <TrueBrain> and no way is better than the other ... it is just nice if we all pick one :)
21:30:49 <TrueBrain> strangly enough .. network transfer is BE :p
21:31:22 <Xaroth> IT is all about 500000 different 'standards' for the same damn thing
21:31:36 <jonty-comp> anyway, I should be around for more crash test dummying tomorrow
21:31:38 <TrueBrain> and they think they all do better ...
21:31:45 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: in cars? :)
21:32:08 <Rubidium> and whether you can host a server and someone else can connect to it via the server list
21:32:23 <jonty-comp> polly put the kettle on
21:32:25 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: I hope you don't sit in those cars ;)
21:32:35 <jonty-comp> well, I can learn to drive now (!)
21:32:45 <jonty-comp> but I hopefully won't be doing much crashing
21:32:52 <jonty-comp> I don't normally break things!
21:33:16 <TrueBrain> when you get my age, you may feel old
21:33:22 <TrueBrain> when you get Belugas's age, you are old
21:33:27 <jonty-comp> I'm past my prime!
21:34:40 <jonty-comp> although I must start working for these exams soon
21:35:02 <jonty-comp> computing A-level is rather annoying, they made me learn visual basic :(
21:35:16 <TrueBrain> does that language still EXIST?
21:35:20 <Xaroth> my teacher tried to teach me vb.net
21:35:20 <jonty-comp> I only see it as a stepping stone to C# or C++ though
21:35:38 <Xaroth> after 4 minutes i convinced him he sucked at vb.net and he should learn C# instead
21:35:56 <TrueBrain> every variable starting with 'i' is integer
21:36:17 <jonty-comp> that sounds quite sensible actually
21:36:31 <TrueBrain> important_string = 1
21:36:35 <TrueBrain> no, doesn't make sense :p
21:36:45 <jonty-comp> well, the coder would have to be sensible too :P
21:36:56 <jonty-comp> would work for someone making a sims game
21:37:07 <jonty-comp> well you aren't making a speech out of it
21:37:22 <Xaroth> would be fun if you were working with different integer types...
21:37:31 <Sacro> Rubidium: I don't have access right now, but there are a couple of SPARC boxen in the house
21:37:46 <jonty-comp> dimportant_number?
21:37:55 <Xaroth> jonty-comp: uint16, uint32, uint64 ?
21:38:14 <Xaroth> using long and double won't suffice with unsigned variants :p
21:38:23 <jonty-comp> An apple ][ running openttd...
21:39:08 <jonty-comp> Sacro: it may take about a century to compile on a sparcstation :o
21:39:15 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: go get some then?
21:39:25 <TrueBrain> haven't anything at home ...
21:39:29 <TrueBrain> and .. stores are closed :(
21:39:38 <jonty-comp> there's a couple of old Sparcstations under one of the tables in IT at school
21:39:39 <TrueBrain> Soarma ... hmm .. needs I need to take my bike ..
21:39:50 <jonty-comp> I think they use them as examples of 'computers from the past'
21:39:55 <Xaroth> well that explains it then
21:40:30 <jonty-comp> you don't have 24h stores? muahahaha
21:40:38 <EoD> A SPARC is big-endian, isn't it?
21:40:40 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: we have; but I don't hve the money :p
21:40:59 <TrueBrain> long bike ride .. (15 minutes)
21:41:12 <Xaroth> ... drive in by bike?!?
21:41:33 <Kojiri> I thought you rode them.
21:41:37 <TrueBrain> they look so stupid at you :p
21:41:39 <Xaroth> closest drivein is around an hour away by bike
21:41:41 <Kojiri> Explain to me this magic.
21:41:48 <Xaroth> .. 15 min by car... 10 with my speed.
21:42:00 <Kojiri> Fast mo fo right here Xaroth
21:42:00 <TrueBrain> in Leiden everything is at 15 min distance
21:42:05 <TrueBrain> no matter where I wan to go :p
21:42:23 <Xaroth> Kojiri: no, i just know where the radar posts are :)
21:42:33 <TrueBrain> I tihnk there is some timespace bubble around this place :s
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21:42:56 <TrueBrain> (this is not a pick-up channel :p)
21:43:08 <TinoDidriksen> A genuine ASL...dear gods.
21:43:08 <Kojiri> I have no idea what to talk abouit
21:43:11 <TrueBrain> you talk like MSN :p
21:43:21 <TrueBrain> I think it is the frst ASL request in this channel in fact ...
21:43:32 <Kojiri> Wow, you really have no life do you?
21:43:42 <TrueBrain> says the person who just said: ASL :p
21:43:53 <TinoDidriksen> ASL is the bottom of the pits of the darkest regions of chatting...
21:44:00 <TrueBrain> I agree TinoDidriksen
21:44:04 <Kojiri> You guys ever hear of Bash.org?
21:44:15 <TrueBrain> Kojiri: can you spell it?
21:44:30 <Xaroth> Kojiri: tell me you're kidding?
21:44:59 <Kojiri> I've read so much on bash, and wanted to experience it in real life.
21:45:01 <Xaroth> bash is so 20th century
21:45:12 <TrueBrain> 'real life', he says on IRC :)
21:45:16 <Kojiri> ....me kicking your ass is so 20th century.
21:45:22 <TrueBrain> I like this guy already ;)
21:46:06 <Roujin> I have to say BaNaNaS is getting a little crowded lately
21:46:17 <TrueBrain> Roujin: so we need a redesign sooner or later
21:46:46 <Xaroth> time to get this query thing to work
21:46:52 <Roujin> I could make a patch for category choosers.. you mean something like that with "redesign"?
21:47:03 <TrueBrain> Roujin: no, I mean redesign the website :)
21:47:05 <EoD> jonty-comp: did you ask about a big endian machine before?
21:47:08 <TrueBrain> better placement of things :)
21:47:19 <Kojiri> Do you smile that much in real life TB?
21:47:23 <Xaroth> EoD: Rubidium did i think
21:47:30 <Kojiri> Or does that not exist where you come from?
21:47:36 <TrueBrain> Kojiri: I am a very happy person, yes :)
21:47:47 <TrueBrain> Belugas finds me annoying :)
21:47:47 <Xaroth> Kojiri: be glad he's not over-using 'lol' ...
21:47:48 <EoD> Rubidium: I have an UltraSPARC IIe. iirc this is a big endian machine.
21:48:08 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I know this girl which says 'lol' in real life all the time ...
21:48:25 <Roujin> TrueBrain: nah, not my .. area of expertise
21:48:26 <Xaroth> in dutch 'lol' isn't a wierd word
21:48:33 <TinoDidriksen> Offline/Online...they're just media of communication. I wish people would get over it...it's been here for 20 years; no need to still treat it as something different than the phone or radio.
21:48:55 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: normal people call it 'reallife', yes :p
21:49:21 <Kojiri> Do your nuts hang low? DO they wobble to and frow?
21:49:30 <TrueBrain> Kojiri: don't push it
21:49:36 <TinoDidriksen> Kojiri, lay off the drugs...
21:49:36 <Roujin> TrueBrain: but what do you think about category choosers for the ingame content download window?
21:49:43 <Kojiri> Actually, I quit last month.
21:49:47 <TrueBrain> Roujin: Rubidium's department :)
21:49:50 <Kojiri> My dad found my stash X(
21:50:02 <TrueBrain> a 16 year old who gets off drugs
21:50:22 <Kojiri> What are you guys like...30?
21:50:45 <TrueBrain> I guess right, the 16 year value? :)
21:51:13 <Xaroth> and i'm dutch, kids don't get hooked on drugs here -that- easily
21:51:14 <Kojiri> Well, I'm going to search for quote for bash...catch you fuckers later
21:51:24 <TinoDidriksen> ...colorful figure.
21:51:24 <TrueBrain> euh, how did he just called us?
21:51:35 <Xaroth> he seriously needs to lay of the dope...
21:51:50 <TrueBrain> I guess it is better for him not to join back in the next few minutes :)
21:52:01 <Xaroth> better for him, not for us
21:53:11 <TinoDidriksen> So he's basically trolling any active IRC channel he can find for bash.org fodder...at least beats making up quote from thin air.
21:53:58 <TrueBrain> for that he gets a bit of credit
21:54:16 <TrueBrain> oeh, look who is back
21:54:26 <TrueBrain> the smell gave you away
21:54:30 <Kojiri> I found nothing but the crocodile hunters soul
21:54:32 <TinoDidriksen> Liberate me ex inferis...
21:54:38 <Xaroth> so, who's doing the countdown?
21:54:44 <TrueBrain> either way, Kojiri, how did you call us when leaving?!
21:54:48 <Kojiri> What it is with these channels and Debians?
21:55:05 <Xaroth> I'm more of an ubuntu user, really
21:55:08 <Kojiri> Can I get a Debian and Hotdog please?
21:55:45 <fonsinchen> No Debian available, but I'll send you the hotdog
21:55:45 <Kojiri> Hey, where can you get Ubuntu? My BOCES instructor was supposed to get us a copy.
21:55:50 <fonsinchen> post your address please
21:56:14 <Kojiri> I figured you would help me out, but never miinddd
21:56:31 <Kojiri> Mustard and ketchup on the hotdog?
21:56:33 <TrueBrain> I am serious wondering if he only copy/pastes things from bash, or that he can type himself too
21:56:44 <Kojiri> I read bash religiously.
21:57:03 <TinoDidriksen> Helping noobs is ok. Helping noobs who obviously didn't do their homework or Google it first - not ok.
21:57:15 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: don't use google as verb
21:57:20 <TrueBrain> they say it is not allowed to do so
21:57:30 <Xaroth> in times like that, you just say
21:58:29 <Xaroth> Kojiri: no, it was a response to Tino.
21:59:03 <TrueBrain> he seriously things they speak Latin in Rome?
21:59:07 <TrueBrain> from which age is he?
21:59:27 <TrueBrain> would be my guess too
21:59:37 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: depends on whether the Vatican is in Rome
21:59:39 <TrueBrain> but close enough :)
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22:00:42 <TrueBrain> well, it is funny that people in the Vatican can play OpenTTD in their 'native' language ;)
22:01:42 <SmatZ> Kojiri: shame on you @ #gcc
22:02:28 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: did you try konqueror for me?
22:03:33 <TrueBrain> now it works on all browsers I tested it on :)
22:03:47 <SmatZ> "Error: Server Error (1): :Negative indexing is not supported." hehe :)
22:03:50 <TrueBrain> (which covers 90% of our openttd.org visitors)
22:03:55 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: it does contain bugs, yes ;) :p
22:04:29 <SmatZ> should I test links without JS? ;)
22:04:38 <TrueBrain> it really really needs JS :)
22:05:02 <SmatZ> how many % does konqueror have?
22:05:20 <SmatZ> I was quite surprised it has problems, it had rather high score in ACID tests...
22:05:41 <TrueBrain> req = XMLHttpRequest() -> req = new XMLHttpRequest()
22:05:43 <TrueBrain> it is the details :p
22:06:02 <TrueBrain> 0.5% is konqueror :)
22:06:20 <Kojiri> Hey guys, I have a question
22:07:23 <SmatZ> Windows Media Player (media player) No 1
22:07:35 <SmatZ> you can browse web in it?
22:07:43 <TrueBrain> you can open URLs with it :p
22:07:52 <TrueBrain> I guess your movie :p
22:08:08 <TrueBrain> we already covered that
22:08:12 <Kojiri> That's putting it mildly..
22:08:23 <Kojiri> No no, I know...Just making sure you still know.
22:08:26 <TrueBrain> you are asking for a kick; that is not put mildly
22:08:32 <Xaroth> WMP uses IE5+ as rendering thing
22:08:42 <Kojiri> I thought you were happy..
22:08:45 <Xaroth> at least, last time i checked
22:09:12 <TrueBrain> @kick Kojiri Kojiri.annoyance_level > 1
22:09:12 *** Kojiri was kicked by DorpsGek (Kojiri.annoyance_level > 1)
22:09:28 <Xaroth> and the crowd goes wild
22:09:52 <TrueBrain> @mode +b *!*@h69-128-228-96.wndsny.dsl.dynamic.tds.net
22:09:52 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +b *!*@h69-128-228-96.wndsny.dsl.dynamic.tds.net
22:09:57 <TrueBrain> "die zien we nooit meer, terug"
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22:10:13 <TrueBrain> Forked: can you try that website of yesterday again please, in both IE7 and IE8? :)
22:10:18 <TrueBrain> make sure I didn't fuck up :(
22:10:24 <Forked> TrueBrain: I'm not at work :\
22:10:31 <TrueBrain> when ever you have the time :)
22:11:02 <TrueBrain> you work 1 day in the week? :)
22:11:20 <TrueBrain> oh well ... when I need it by then I will ask :)
22:12:42 <Forked> all hail the mighty VPN
22:12:58 <Forked> maybe I can disconnect DJNekkid as well :)
22:14:07 <Forked> TrueBrain: ie7: it seems to work.. no errors and it will even let me change things
22:14:35 <Forked> now for the all mighty rdp in the rdp in the vpn
22:17:49 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I made a change; can you see if Konqueror is still okay?
22:18:32 <TinoDidriksen> VBox ftw...all browsers easily within reach.
22:19:17 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: thank you :)
22:19:23 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: I still need to create that, yes :)
22:19:28 <TrueBrain> wish I could install OSX ...
22:20:04 <TinoDidriksen> Safari is available for Windows, or did you mean in general?
22:20:18 <TrueBrain> and Safari on Windows is slightly different I guess :)
22:20:25 <TrueBrain> can you install IE8 next to IE7 on windows?
22:20:49 <Xaroth> not normally, but it should be doable
22:21:05 <Xaroth> more easy if you run xp64
22:21:06 <TrueBrain> would be nice to have a VM which has all IEs next to eachother :)
22:21:19 <Xaroth> you just have IE7x64 and IE8x32
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22:21:31 <TinoDidriksen> You can also get OS X running in VMWare, with some fiddling.
22:21:59 <TrueBrain> I have ESXi .. failed so far all my attempts :)
22:22:01 <TinoDidriksen> If your CPU is recent enough, anyway.
22:22:08 <Xaroth> or you could just get a mac and use VMWare Fusion :P
22:22:15 <Forked> DJNekkid: I would never disconnect you, sir :)
22:22:24 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: yeah ... you give me the money? :)
22:22:56 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: he also has a job for me? :p
22:23:08 <Xaroth> we were looking for more people :P
22:23:13 <Xaroth> but we're in Mijdrecht
22:23:22 <Xaroth> not sure if that's drivable on a daily basis
22:23:30 <svip> Why are there so many named Tino?
22:23:39 <svip> Maybe I worry about the wrong things.
22:23:48 <TinoDidriksen> So many? There's me.
22:23:48 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I am still a student, but I need a parttime job :p
22:23:56 <svip> There was that TinoM, TinoDidriksen.
22:23:56 <TrueBrain> just too darn lazy to look for one :)
22:24:08 <svip> And my goodness is Didriksen a Danish surname.
22:24:20 <svip> And not one of those trivial ones like "Jensen".
22:24:29 <TinoDidriksen> Indeed it is. I am Danish.
22:24:35 <Forked> works both in .dk and .no
22:24:49 <Xaroth> TB: depends if you like to do more supportdesk related work then
22:24:56 <TinoDidriksen> My full name is unique.
22:24:57 <Forked> we saw your denmark and raised you ..some mountains :D
22:25:06 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I am a problem-solver guy .. and not that good with people :p
22:25:06 <svip> Norwegian is pretty much a fork of Danish.
22:25:15 <Xaroth> sounds like me then :P
22:25:28 <svip> Danes talk with potatoes in their mouth, Forked.
22:25:43 <Xaroth> google McNolia , nooit geschoten etc.
22:25:48 <Forked> it might sound like it.. but I checked a few and I didn't see abnormal anything down there
22:26:00 <TrueBrain> hehe, tnx Xaroth :)
22:26:04 <svip> We eat potatoes, Forked.
22:26:15 <svip> And we don't talk while eating them.
22:26:24 <svip> We are closer to France, after all.
22:26:36 <Forked> so you're better with ze women too eh?
22:26:49 <svip> I cannot guarantee that.
22:26:49 <Xaroth> on a bonus side you got experience with the datacenter we're using :P
22:27:03 <TrueBrain> I love the 'biometric' scanner of Evo ..
22:27:07 <TrueBrain> offline for what .. 3 months now? :p
22:27:15 <TrueBrain> it never really worked anyway :p
22:28:02 <svip> But, Forked, the real issue is not whether we sound like potatoes, because Danish sounds very unlike any other language.
22:28:15 <svip> Well, except Dutch, and even Dutch sounds far fetched to me.
22:28:19 <TrueBrain> bah, 0025 .. I should get some sleep ...
22:28:20 <svip> No offence to the Dutchies in here.
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22:28:30 <Xaroth> Dutch seems to sound a bit like german
22:28:43 <svip> A bit like German mixed with English.
22:29:28 <TinoDidriksen> Dutch is more a mix of English, Danish, German...impossible to comprehend via listening, but not so bad to read.
22:29:42 <Xaroth> Dutch is just wierd, period :P
22:29:44 <svip> I had some Dutch people over.
22:29:53 <svip> But then they spoke English.
22:30:05 <svip> And Dutch has intrigued me, so I wish to learn it.
22:30:21 <svip> Don't worry, it is far down my list.
22:30:25 <svip> Still gotta learn Estonian first.
22:30:29 <Xaroth> keep one thing in mind
22:30:34 <Xaroth> we're surrounded by the french and the german
22:30:40 <Xaroth> neither of which were willing to learn dutch
22:30:44 <Xaroth> so the dutch learned their language
22:30:58 <Xaroth> so if you know any of those two, you'll be fine
22:31:04 <svip> But keep the Dutch flag waving.
22:31:14 <svip> And speaking your tongue when you want to annoy some Frenchies or Germans.
22:31:21 <Xaroth> not for another 3 weeks :)
22:32:21 <svip> You wouldn't be so happy if you didn't have a democracy, but an actual monarchy.
22:32:38 <svip> Aaah, look at those tiny Dutch flags.
22:32:47 <svip> First flag in the history to be tricolour.
22:34:23 <svip> The Scottish flag was the first flag.
22:34:28 <svip> That is, to be used as such.
22:37:33 <TinoDidriksen> Danish flag is the oldest...if you're talking about flags in general, then Ancient Egypt and China has us all beat.
22:41:27 <Xaroth> it can receive data :o
22:42:11 <Xaroth> now to parse, and disect :o
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22:51:26 <svip> TinoDidriksen: The Danish flag is the oldest state flag.
22:56:25 <Rubidium> and the bit flag is the easiest to store
23:00:22 <Xaroth> C# doesn't have implicit fallthrough :/
23:01:31 <Xaroth> easily overcome apparently
23:02:04 <Xaroth> apparently the case items count as labels
23:02:19 <Xaroth> using goto is fail though :/
23:05:06 <Xaroth> in this case a few if's would work
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23:10:05 <TinoDidriksen> Hm, C# is rather inconsistent. If there's no fallthrough, why require a break? And, empty cases do fallthrough...mixed signals all over.
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23:17:47 <Xaroth> and i got the server response thing parsed
23:18:12 <Xaroth> custom autoupdater etc.
23:18:20 <EoD> TinoDidriksen: C# is microsoft, what do you expect? ;)
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23:24:00 <Xaroth> the revisions past 0.7.0 have 0.8.0 as major/minor ?
23:31:07 <Xaroth> right, another step closer, woo
23:31:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15992 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Fix (r15127): stack corruption causing NewGRF names to be not resolved.
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23:41:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15993 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.h core/os_abstraction.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: clean up/generalise the handling of the server list
23:44:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15994 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: implement most of the master server side for fetching a list of IPv6 servers.
23:51:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15995 /extra/masterserver_updater/docs/mysql-database-structure.sql: [MSU] -Fix: typo in the database structure SQL
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