IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-02-02
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01:28:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15313 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup: Use helper functions we already have and add some documentation.
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03:28:39 <rohan> i have a problem with ottd
03:29:32 <rohan> can someone help me i have a problem
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05:54:19 * WhiteRhino returns. And now on Cable.
05:55:29 * WhiteRhino also watches a set of YouTube videos where a guy plays through X-COM: Enemy Unknown
05:55:56 <Forked> I saw gamersgate had some offer on the x-com series.. all of then for £8 or something
05:58:59 <WhiteRhino> I say it's definately worth it. The game's fan-freaking-tastic.
05:59:27 <Forked> I know (and remember), but there is this little damned thing called time.. and there aint enough of it :\
06:03:32 <WhiteRhino> Ahh. Yeah, lack of time sucks.. On the plus side, with my new connection, I think I can play OpenTTD online without troubles.
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10:46:22 <dihedral> that wee bit of snow, and brits close down the country
10:52:38 <dihedral> oh my - this 'ProDigit' kid is a pain up the fuzzy rear end
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11:02:40 <petern> grrr, fucking software
11:07:00 <joepie91> ok, people i have a problem again :P
11:07:12 <joepie91> i expanded my station (with oil incoming, goods outgoing)
11:07:21 <joepie91> and now no goods are dropped off by the oil refinery anymore
11:07:35 <joepie91> it's in multiplayer, using a cargodest
11:16:20 <Progman> maybe there was no route found to a town which accepts goods
11:17:06 <joepie91> as far as i know, the end point supports goods... it always did :S
11:22:13 <petern> towns can be quite variable for goods, if they're smallish
11:23:25 <Progman> the extra line is however not the reason for the cargo (not) drop at the station as the station is still in range
11:24:23 <Sacro> since when was petern an op?
11:24:29 <Sacro> he's nowhere near mature enough
11:30:10 <joepie91> well, i built a truck line to transport the goods deeper into town... now it works, even tho the train station still shows goods as accepted cargo
11:30:12 <joepie91> anyways, it works now
11:45:29 * petern idly wonders how he's nowhere near mature enough...
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11:57:19 <Celestar> I'm now sitting on my comp for almost 5 hours for an XP installation :P
11:57:55 <Celestar> meanwhile, I managed to INSTALL it
11:57:59 <Rubidium> installing XP doesn't take that long
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11:58:28 <Celestar> Rubidium: well, it does if the installation ends up in a bluescreen after 30 seconds
11:58:50 <Rubidium> that's impressive ;)
11:58:59 <Celestar> I have meanwhile found out that XP doesn'T work on a SATA disk if the controller is in native mode.
11:59:16 <Celestar> if you put it to compatibility mode, you can install it.
11:59:18 <Rubidium> unless you load the right driver in the begin
11:59:31 <Celestar> Rubidium: which is difficult on a laptop that doesn't have a floppy disk
11:59:50 <Rubidium> slipstream it into the install cd
12:00:01 <Celestar> then installing all drivers for the laptop takes about one hour, since XP doesn'T recognize the NIC.
12:00:14 <Celestar> so you have to USB-stick it onto the comp manually.
12:00:34 <Celestar> but this is where the fun only begins.
12:00:49 <Celestar> I'Ve downloaded the display driver (which is a measly 85MB) and installed it.
12:00:58 <Celestar> everything works, except OpenGL.
12:01:02 <Celestar> and this is where I'm stuck
12:01:14 <petern> so, er, install debian and then xp in a virtual machine?
12:01:27 <Rubidium> ofcourse OpenGL doesn't work... it's Windows
12:01:45 <Celestar> petern: I have XP 64bit running in a virtual machine just fine.
12:01:51 <Celestar> petern: on VMware workstation.
12:02:14 <Celestar> but, alas, VMware workstation does not support OpenGL. hence I thought installing XP natively would enable me to run an OpenGL application
12:02:19 <Celestar> apparrently, I was mistaken
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12:02:46 <petern> hmm, virtualbox does, i think
12:02:49 <dihedral> Celestar, it's not the computer you (used to) develop cargodest on, ist it? (hint hint)
12:03:42 <Celestar> oh yes. activating XP doesn'T work either with an error 45131
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12:04:16 <dihedral> Celestar, why not install linux? :-P
12:04:25 <Celestar> dihedral: because it is already installed and running.
12:05:32 <dihedral> i am off sick, but hey
12:05:44 <dihedral> it's a week where nothing's planned
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12:06:54 <Celestar> the questions are: 1) Why does the Lenovo driver for the Radeon not contain a proper openGl part and 2) Why does the ATI driver for their graphics card not recognize the card AT ALL?
12:07:19 <dihedral> Celestar, try omega drivers
12:07:42 <petern> one of my colleagues has been off work for a month and is signed off for another month
12:07:51 <petern> glandular fever type thing
12:07:51 <Celestar> dihedral: I did, with no success so far.
12:08:01 <Celestar> dihedral: they don'T recognize the card either.
12:08:06 <dihedral> what card do you have?
12:08:27 <Celestar> dihedral: of course, ATI's linux driver work perfectly on that card.
12:08:42 <Celestar> I'm _soo_ tempted to try Win7 on that problem :P
12:09:22 <dihedral> petern, i just need something to do over that time
12:09:22 <Celestar> I _need_ to run CATIA
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12:09:49 <petern> dihedral: patch writing? :D
12:10:25 <dihedral> just let it be something i can actually do
12:15:56 <Celestar> so, how do I force the driver installation :D
12:16:38 <Rubidium> you're just plugging in the hardware and praying it works
12:18:00 <Celestar> why doesn't setup.exe have --just-do-it switch?!
12:18:26 <Rubidium> because the global variable "iswindows" is set
12:18:43 <Celestar> --just-do-it-even-if-iswindows-is-it ?
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12:20:03 <TrueBrain> hello lovely people :)
12:22:23 * TrueBrain hugs Celestar back :)
12:22:46 <Celestar> 12:57 < Celestar> I'm now sitting on my comp for almost 5 hours for an XP installation :P <= like so
12:23:00 <TrueBrain> today I heard the argument pro EEE PC and against mobile, that you can play OpenTTD on your EEE ... how nice is that ;)
12:23:08 <TrueBrain> Celestar: poor Celestar .. don't use XP, I say :p
12:23:19 <Celestar> TrueBrain: suggestions?
12:24:04 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I have already installed opensuse 11.1
12:24:12 <Zr40> Celestar: recent hardware?
12:24:19 <Celestar> and a freebsd as a VM and an XP as a VM
12:24:34 <TrueBrain> Celestar: so what is your problem?
12:24:40 <TrueBrain> start XP and go do something useful
12:24:41 <TrueBrain> like .. cargodest :p
12:24:54 <TrueBrain> Zr40: you call Vista an OS?
12:25:12 <Zr40> oh come on, I have yet to see a valid argument against vista, besides running on old harware
12:25:32 <Zr40> sure, I don't agree with certain defaults, but that's what they are, defaults
12:25:33 <Celestar> Zr40: no argument yet except that the application that I need to run mostly doesn't work on Vista.
12:25:35 <TrueBrain> did I mention: annoying? :p
12:25:43 <Zr40> TrueBrain: how come I don't experience any of those?
12:26:02 <Celestar> Zr40: I mean doesn't run at all·
12:26:14 <TrueBrain> Zr40: because you are a bad user? :p
12:26:23 <Zr40> Celestar: okay. which app btw?
12:26:49 <TrueBrain> Zr40: example: when I start my Vista, I have to wait 30 (!) seconds before I can access my internal (!) LAN
12:27:17 <TrueBrain> Celestar: we forgive you :)
12:27:27 <Zr40> Celestar: is that a CAD app?
12:27:31 <Zahl> in general i think there is no real reson to switch to vista. it really feels like an early unfinished version of windows 7. there is just no reason to use vista instead of xp.
12:27:34 <Zr40> TrueBrain: doesn't happen here
12:27:53 <TrueBrain> Zr40: so that settles it :)
12:27:59 <Zahl> whereas the windows 7 beta really surprised me positively
12:28:00 <TrueBrain> always a nice counter-argument: it doens't happen here :p
12:28:05 <Zr40> sounds like either a driver or dhcp issue
12:28:09 <TrueBrain> Zahl: we will see :)
12:28:22 <TrueBrain> and works under XP :p
12:28:39 <TrueBrain> Windows default driver
12:28:46 <dihedral> Celestar: you can 'right-click' the ini file and it has an option: install
12:28:47 <TrueBrain> as I said: crappy, annoying, bad
12:29:00 <Zr40> just because of one network boot bug?
12:29:18 <Celestar> dihedral: yeah, I'll try that next.
12:29:32 <Zahl> Zr40: oh btw, where is Zircon? :P
12:29:33 * Celestar wonders whether it would have been faster to port VMGL to Xen.
12:29:56 <Zahl> Zr40: wasn't that your bot that drew this social network graph? ;)
12:30:07 <Zr40> aaaah, that was ages ago :)
12:30:07 <dihedral> TrueBrain, nice to see you here? what brings you into this channel?
12:30:29 <TrueBrain> just wondering how people were doing :)
12:30:49 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I just find it amazing that ATI's linux driver works perfectly on the graphics card and the windows XP driver doesn'T even find it.
12:31:07 <petern> not in its list of pci device ids...
12:31:13 <Celestar> need a specially modified Lenovo driver for it, which apparently lacks usable Opengl support.
12:31:13 <TrueBrain> Celestar: hehehehehehe :)
12:31:48 <Zr40> Celestar: ah yes, the ati drivers refuse to install on 'customized' hardware
12:32:16 <petern> TrueBrain, i can play openttd on my mobile!
12:32:17 <Zr40> I think it's the same with nvidia though
12:32:19 <dihedral> Zr40: that however does not explain why omega driver would fail also
12:32:24 <petern> it's not very nice though
12:32:25 <TrueBrain> petern: yeah ... I know :p
12:32:51 <petern> (using that series 60 port, which is not evil like the pocketpc one)
12:33:00 <Zr40> dihedral: maybe it's a new card and the PCI ID hasn't been added to the omega driver?
12:33:31 <Celestar> isn't the omega driver basically an older Catalyst minus some bloatware?
12:35:47 <TrueBrain> Zr40: as I said: worst argument ever
12:36:20 <dihedral> Celestar, i think it's even more 'modified' than that
12:39:11 <TrueBrain> well, I wish you all a very good day :) Bubuye :)
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12:41:42 <Celestar> has anyone ever tried a manual Vista installation?
12:45:09 <dihedral> the haunting of Celestar
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12:49:14 <Zr40> meh. this irc client sucks.
12:50:53 <Celestar> Zr40: manually forcing XP to install the 9.1 Catalyst drivers
12:51:04 <Celestar> Zr40: despite of all the whining that it might be the wrong one
12:51:33 <Zr40> dihedral: google doesn't tell me which client you use
12:51:44 <dihedral> i use google to find my client
12:52:05 <Celestar> all I need now is to teach XP on booting from an AHCI device
12:56:23 <Zr40> this looks better than xchat :)
12:56:50 <dihedral> Zr40, i use xchat and xchat aqua
12:57:13 <Zr40> well, if I minimize and then restore xchat, it's no longer maximized
12:57:19 <Zr40> and if I click the tray icon, it crashes
12:57:25 <dihedral> you are on windows right?
13:00:01 <Gekz> Zahl: is that an irssi script
13:00:20 <Forked> forked: how does this show on that thing?
13:00:25 <Forked> forked: I'm not sure, but I can't wait to see!
13:00:49 <Zr40> I think it doesn't count talking to yourself :)
13:01:01 <dihedral> Forked, it will just correctly show how think you are :-D
13:02:52 <dihedral> it said that the thinkness of a line is equals the strength of the "relationship"
13:03:03 <dihedral> now there will be no line between Forked and Forked will there
13:03:27 <dihedral> so you will be an overly FAT blobb :-D
13:03:28 * Zr40 feels closely related to dihedral
13:03:50 <dihedral> petern, how much snow ya have yet?
13:04:01 <dihedral> my mom's flight got cancled from heathrow because of the snow
13:04:04 <petern> er, a couple of inches :p
13:04:13 <Forked> dihedral: oh. thick. Are you calling me fat!?`!+1+1+
13:04:35 <dihedral> i started off calling you thik :-D
13:04:44 <Zahl> petern: is it ok to have a bot in the chan that doesn't say anything and just draws fancy images? =)
13:05:02 <Rubidium> just highlight everyone and it'll ruin his experiment!
13:05:20 <Zr40> Rubidium, not really, those will be weak links and disappear shortly after
13:05:22 <Forked> Rubidium: I was pondering about that.. just to be the central name on the image thingy
13:05:36 <Forked> but one would likely be booted for being highly annoying
13:05:41 <dihedral> Rubidium, the @nicks command will do that for ya
13:05:42 <Zahl> well it has some temporal decay, so after some time it should normalize again
13:05:42 <Forked> Gekz: you're on the other side of the swarm !
13:05:50 <Zahl> axcept if somebody keeps doing that
13:06:00 <DorpsGek> petern: Aali, AllenJB, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, dfox, dihedral, doc, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, (2 more messages)
13:06:03 <Zr40> if someone keeps doing that, he'll be kicked I presume :)
13:06:09 <DorpsGek> petern: Aali, AllenJB, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, dfox, dihedral, doc, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, (2 more messages)
13:06:10 <thingwath> it's very dynamic, after an hour or so there will be no lines (which is why don't like it, I can remember what happened last hour)
13:06:11 <DorpsGek> petern: Aali, AllenJB, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, dfox, dihedral, doc, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, (2 more messages)
13:06:18 <Forked> petern: you only get for "petern:" ?
13:06:20 <petern> HEY THAT'S A USEFUL COMMAND GUYS
13:06:26 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Error: I haven't seen ?.
13:06:28 <blathijs> Why does that feature even exist?
13:06:32 <DorpsGek> petern: joepie91, jpm, lobster, Mark, Mark_, michi_cc, mikegrb, mikl, Mortal, Mortomes, Mucht, murr4y, neli, nfc, Noldo, orudge, Osai, patchie, petern, Phoenix_the_II, planetmaker, Priski, Prof_Frink, Progman, Quaver, Rexxie, Ridayah, Rubidium, RvGaTe, Sacro, sigmund, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, SmoovTruck, snappy, snorre, SpComb, Splex, sunkan, svip, Tefad, TheMask96, thingwath, TinoDidriksen, tkjacobsen, tneo, tokai, (1 more message)
13:06:34 <DorpsGek> petern: tosse, ttdopen, valhallasw, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, wgrant, wolfryu, worldemar, xahodo, Xaroth, xerxesdaphat, XeryusTC, Zahl, Zealotus, Zorn|, Zr40, and |Japa|
13:06:39 <Zr40> oh, dorpsgek will be in the centre now! :)
13:06:46 <dihedral> nicely played petern
13:06:58 <TinoDidriksen> ...why would you make such a thing...
13:07:20 <Dr_Jekyll> yes, now we are all awake...
13:07:26 <Mortal> ...yes petern, what a silly bot
13:07:30 <SpComb> someone's playing with piespy again
13:07:34 <Forked> mikl: I'm including you in the cloud.
13:07:50 <Dr_Jekyll> but i got an easy way to avoid highlights
13:07:53 <SpComb> hey, you should do that more often
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13:08:17 <Zahl> no, you are not going to prove him wrong now :P
13:08:30 <Forked> well I'm gonna stop caring about this and return to work :\ it was ..fun, I guess
13:08:43 * Zahl sees another highlight-wave coming
13:08:45 <DorpsGek> petern: Temporary Offline
13:08:55 <petern> the only useful thing it does it doesn't do any more...
13:09:54 <petern> Zr40, i hope you liked my compromise
13:10:18 <mikl> funny that petern's best friend is the bot :)
13:10:41 <petern> no one else wanted to be my friend
13:10:54 <Zahl> what about your hand? :P
13:11:45 <Zr40> Rubidium, it also connects people from context
13:12:00 <Zr40> so if we talk together often, it will link us even if I don't prefix my messages with Rubidium
13:12:29 <petern> Zr40: how often does it update? seems to be... uh... very often
13:12:37 <Zahl> i tried to add a new heuristic to it
13:12:43 <Zr40> apparently on every line
13:12:45 <Zahl> that accounts time between messages
13:13:00 <DorpsGek> petern: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 43 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01
13:13:08 <Rubidium> and Celestar got hidden behind the title
13:13:26 <petern> that's cos he's busy coding cargodest
13:13:38 <mikl> Celestar hasn't chatted a lot since this started tracking, apparently
13:13:46 <Zahl> and if you would've asked "who ruins that bot?" it would have been DorpsGek.. or petern :-D
13:14:03 <Zr40> I don't disagree with him
13:14:08 <mikl> I shoud probably code instead of chat, too :)
13:14:16 <Zr40> this kind of bot seems to invite highlight spam
13:14:46 <Zahl> hopefully in an hour people are done with that ^^
13:14:53 <Rubidium> can we have imaginary friend like HansAffe ?
13:15:06 <petern> HansAffe, will you marry me?
13:15:10 <Zr40> you can have as many imaginary friends as you'd like
13:15:23 <mikl> my interest in that sort of thing tends to be very short-lived
13:15:24 <petern> HansAffe, do you exclude yourself?
13:15:36 <mikl> not that it's not interesting, but it gets old
13:15:40 <Zr40> either that, or it only includes those who actually say something
13:15:45 <mikl> I suppose it's that way with most people
13:16:02 <petern> yeah, i'm bored of mikl :D
13:16:03 <Rubidium> or it isn't updating the image anymore ;)
13:16:11 <Zahl> yeah, and when people are done playing around it might actually draw something that resembles actual structures in this chan :)
13:18:45 <Zr40> so, what's this cargodest you're talking about?
13:19:11 * dihedral hugs petern, Rubidium, glx, and TrueBrain
13:19:14 <glx> (well in need for an update)
13:20:07 <Rubidium> would that strengthen the relationship or not?
13:20:19 <dihedral> Rubidium, it'll be a dotted line :-D
13:20:25 <Zr40> Rubidium, it would for some people!
13:20:31 <dihedral> if you slap someone more often, a thick dotted line
13:21:24 * dihedral tries to move Yexo more into the center of the map
13:21:41 <Rubidium> dihedral: don't tease Yexo... he has work to do
13:22:06 <dihedral> i want work to do too
13:22:18 <dihedral> but i am off sick, and petern has not given me any patch jobs yet
13:22:27 <Rubidium> dihedral: go fix some memory leaks in Squirrel
13:22:45 <petern> oh did have you give you one?
13:22:48 <dihedral> Rubidium, perhaps something i am actually gonna have a chance of succeeding with?
13:23:13 <petern> how about a non-programming task?
13:23:26 <Zahl> dihedral: count to 10 while your eyes are closed
13:23:33 <dihedral> petern, which would be?
13:23:40 <petern> come up with a decent solution for rail/road types and tunnels
13:23:43 <Rubidium> petern: like updating the wiki (settings section)?
13:23:47 <Zahl> invent a new heuristic for the bot
13:24:29 <Zr40> it's the ultimate heuristic!
13:24:36 <Zr40> the bot won't even have to be in the channel then!
13:25:05 <Rubidium> why bother with the heuristics? We already know what the answer is going to be
13:25:06 <Zr40> no way, I'm not touching Java!
13:25:22 <Zahl> well i did, and i sweared a lot
13:25:58 <planetmaker> dihedral: or like "updating" custom bridgheads :P
13:26:16 <dihedral> Belugas does not like all that much help :-P
13:26:31 <petern> rewrite custom bridgeheads
13:26:47 <petern> revert 'magic' bridges and apply my old custom bridgeheads back :D
13:27:00 <planetmaker> that's why "updating" in quotation marks :)
13:27:02 <Zahl> hey... i didn't play ottd in like 2 years, so whats new? :-D
13:27:05 <dihedral> make an 'undo knobb' ey?
13:27:22 <petern> anyone who suggests undo is a knob?
13:27:41 <Zahl> dihedral: should be quite a lot to read :-D
13:27:51 <Zr40> alternatively, the release log
13:28:18 <dihedral> svn log | grep -i feature
13:28:49 <Zahl> well the two most important things to me are pbs and this drag-signals-and-they-are-build-all-along-the-track stuff
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13:28:57 <Zahl> which never made it into trunk back then :-D
13:30:09 <dihedral> there are many more interesting things
13:30:15 <Zahl> noai in trunk... uuhh :)
13:31:11 <SmatZ> dihedral: nice :) I guess now I will be in that network too, connected to you :)
13:31:18 <petern> isn't drag signals in 0.6?
13:31:26 <dihedral> SmatZ, ONLY to me :-D
13:31:47 <dihedral> lets all give SmatZ a welcoming hug
13:32:25 <dihedral> then perhaps you should stay out of it :-P
13:32:35 <SmatZ> no problem, I am not very friendly person :-P
13:33:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15314 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: (log message trimmed)
13:33:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix/hackaround [FS#2590]: fonts have a feature where they can have localised
13:33:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: names. Windows thinks it's a feature to use the name matching the system's
13:33:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: locale, Windows doesn't provide an API to get the font name given another locale
13:33:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: and freetype uses the English locale to resolve the name when opening the
13:33:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: font... This results in fonts that will can't be found and warnings that the
13:33:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: fallback font can't be loaded. Work around this by 'manually' getting the
13:34:06 <planetmaker> petern: it's there as long as I'm (back) into (O)TTD - so at least since mid/late 2007
13:34:21 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ a welcome :)
13:34:48 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: I have not seen nobody.
13:35:01 <SmatZ> hmm DorpsGek has very bad memory
13:35:20 <Rubidium> SmatZ: it's noone or somebody
13:36:31 <glx> luckily openfont format is well defined
13:37:34 * fjb think about a script to hug everybody in the channel.
13:37:50 * dihedral is surprised CIA-1 did not make it into the graph with that commit log
13:38:04 <planetmaker> dihedral: it talked to itself :P
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13:38:55 <fjb> CIA-1: How are you today?
13:39:40 <fjb> CIA-1 doesn't make it into the graph. :-(
13:40:02 <dihedral> Celestar, for cargodest - Aali has synced it to trunk iirc
13:40:34 <glx> dihedral: yes but I guess Celestar wants to be sure it's not broken :)
13:40:53 <planetmaker> :P A reasonable assumption, I guess :)
13:41:05 <dihedral> i just thought i'd let him know that it exists in case he did not pick up on that yet :-P
13:41:05 <planetmaker> But he could give it a try before he starts to sync the whole mess :)
13:41:17 <glx> there are many tricky parts in this sync due to OrderList addition
13:41:50 <planetmaker> certainly, but Aali usually does things not too badly :)
13:42:59 <glx> still the sync needs to be done the "right way" to keep logs
13:44:10 <planetmaker> har har. I'm from the North. I tend to do rather understatement, dihedral :)
13:44:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15315 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r15314): make gcc happy (for once)
13:46:13 <dihedral> Zahl, or Zr40 or whoever makes the map, can you up the res a bit - it's getting too cosy for my taste :-D
13:46:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15316 /trunk/src/ (script/squirrel_helper.hpp string.cpp string_func.h): -Fix [NoAI]: ignore unprintable chars when returning a string to squirrel
13:47:01 <planetmaker> dihedral: just be silent and you'll fall back to the cold, dark outskirts of that map :P
13:47:32 <Zahl> dihedral: i think this is still pretty empty :-D
13:47:46 <Zahl> the reactos map looks worse
13:48:13 <dihedral> reactos is gay anyway :-P
13:48:36 <dihedral> anything widowsish is
13:49:01 <|Japa|> is there a GCF that adjusts track prices for large, spaced out maps?
13:49:09 <planetmaker> yeah. Then we define gay the way people did 150 years ago and all can be happy :)
13:50:12 <Aali> glx: the "right way" as in, use hg merge, don't touch more lines than is necessary, etc?
13:50:46 <glx> yes but he needs an access to your hg repo if he wants to keep the logs :)
13:50:51 <planetmaker> Aali: I guess the problem is to define "necessary" in a proper way :)
13:51:08 <|Japa|> when the average distance between anything is really long, track costs start becoming an issue
13:51:29 <planetmaker> |Japa|: "cost an issue" and "openttd"?
13:51:44 <glx> money incomes are insane anyway
13:51:47 <dihedral> i still dont get GCF and OpenTTD together
13:51:54 <Aali> glx: surely a bundle will do it?
13:52:15 <planetmaker> dihedral: great, cool and fun :P
13:52:21 <Aali> anyway, I've sent him a PM on the forums already :)
13:52:25 <glx> Aali: hg serve is the easier way (to use hg pull on it)
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13:52:59 <|Japa|> money becomes insane later, but starting out when the towns are all great distances from each other is hard
13:53:03 <Aali> glx: you can pull from bundles too, IIRC
13:53:28 * fjb should hug petern to not fall out of the graph and Belugas too.
13:53:39 <dihedral> there is a base cost modifyer
13:53:45 <glx> anyway would be better to talk directly to Celestar :)
13:53:51 <dihedral> however, i am not sure you can use that grf to 'lower' the costs
13:54:07 <planetmaker> |Japa|: well. Certainly it depends upon your starting date. But unless I start far before 1930, I can have, given a bit of load have a profit enough after <10 years
13:54:55 <dihedral> and learn about money makers :-D
13:55:33 <planetmaker> |Japa|: if you can, build a long-distance air route to generate some money. Pretty easy money. If that cash flows, go for what you really want.
13:55:33 <|Japa|> main reason I''m asking is cus I'm making a middle earh scenario, and the towns are quite far apart
13:55:45 <planetmaker> which is best for an air route :)
13:57:24 <|Japa|> Air Mordor: you may or may not get fed to the orcs
13:57:47 <planetmaker> sounds like a cool company name
14:00:02 <|Japa|> I just have to decide weather the industries are realistic, or random
14:01:24 <planetmaker> make your own industry grf.
14:02:11 <planetmaker> army preparation plant: clay -> orks
14:03:10 <|Japa|> right now I have Darad Dur, hte dark lighthouse
14:04:10 <|Japa|> and isenguard, the radio antenna
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14:47:52 <dihedral> dont pay attention to him Belugas, he's not even on the map :-D
14:48:08 <dihedral> oh - he's only on the 'outskirts' :-P
14:48:17 <Belugas> well... so am i.. or not the same map, actually...
14:49:42 <Sacro> i did piespy for about a year in here
14:49:48 <Sacro> i wonder where the images went...
14:51:06 <Belugas> [08:27] <dihedral> Belugas does not like all that much help :-P <-- what was that supposed to mean? I'm really failing to understnad
14:51:44 <dihedral> was more of an 'excuse' as to why i could not help on custom bridge heads
14:53:44 <planetmaker> bad dihedral , bad dihedral ... excuses, excuses :P
14:53:52 <planetmaker> don't you know us?
14:53:57 <planetmaker> we want MOOOOR :P
14:54:05 <dihedral> nono - YOU want more
14:54:15 <dihedral> great - you got me shot!
14:54:23 <planetmaker> pluralis majistatis :P
14:54:54 <planetmaker> lool. Happy dying then :P
14:55:08 * planetmaker shoots student's grades...
15:01:23 <petern> BUT I DID NOT SHOOT THE DEPUTY
15:02:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15317 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix: support Windows fonts with non-ASCII characters in their file name. Windows doesn't come with them by default, but one can easily install a font with non-ASCII name.
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15:03:11 * Rubidium hasn't seen news of a deputy being short in Belugas' home town
15:03:49 <Sacro> Rubidium: but they are quite happy with their village idiot
15:10:46 <petern> how does one overload ~ ?
15:12:26 <petern> ~ is impossible to search...
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15:22:26 <DorpsGek> petern: HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, joepie91, jpm, lobster, Mark, Mark_, michi_cc, mikegrb, mikl, Mortal, Mucht, murr4y, neli, Noldo, NukeBuster, orudge, Osai, patchie, petern, Phoenix_the_II, planetmaker, prakti, Priski, Prof_Frink, Progman, Quaver, Rexxie, Ridayah, Rubidium, RvGaTe, Sacro, sigmund, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, SmoovTruck, snappy, snorre, SpComb, Splex, stillunknown, sunkan, svip, Tefad, TheMask96, (1 more message)
15:22:27 <DorpsGek> petern: thingwath, TinoDidriksen, TinoM, tkjacobsen, tneo, tokai, tosse, ttdopen, valhallasw, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, wgrant, Wolfensteijn, worldemar, xahodo, Xaroth, xerxesdaphat, XeryusTC, Yexo, Zahl, Zealotus, Zorn|, Zr40, and |Japa|
15:22:37 <TinoDidriksen> ...I will end you.
15:22:52 * planetmaker gives petern an old trout
15:23:00 * mikl slaps petern around a bit with a large petern.
15:23:04 <petern> woo, more lurkers leaving
15:23:06 <Mortal> sorry, added DorpsGek to ignore highlight list
15:23:07 <canidae> there better be nekkid chicks & chocolate in here for all this hilighting :s
15:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i feel so important :p
15:23:29 <Rubidium> petern: type operator~(type) ?
15:23:36 <ecke> .. hmm .. one question... is there some stable release of openttd with infrastructure sharing?
15:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> four highlights during my absence
15:24:24 <ecke> Eddi|zuHause and some near to stable... i mean ... if i will play with friends no crash coming
15:24:56 <ecke> i remember... we played 12 hours... and after that crash...
15:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ecke: there are certain patch packs floating around, but they are usually not nearly as stable as you'd like them to be, especially in multiplayer
15:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ecke: best if you just compile that single patch
15:25:36 <ecke> but multiplayer without IS is not multiplayer :/
15:25:39 <planetmaker> or none at all :)
15:26:09 <ecke> compile? ... huh ... i have never did that
15:26:09 <planetmaker> but well. There was just a new version posted in tt-forums
15:26:30 <planetmaker> ecke: it's not terribly difficult - once you have setup things.
15:26:33 <ecke> one time... when i compiled netcat...
15:26:37 <planetmaker> That's imo the most difficult thing
15:27:02 <planetmaker> "things" = compiler, subversion client and stuff
15:27:29 <ecke> is it like: mingw32-make .... ?
15:27:44 <planetmaker> probably. Dunno for windows
15:27:46 <ecke> i have mingw, platform sdk, visula studion express
15:27:57 <planetmaker> you should be fine then, I guesss
15:28:17 <ecke> and on linux? ... i have debian on server... only console
15:28:48 <ecke> .... simple question... is there any guide how to?
15:28:51 <planetmaker> you need SDL libraries. maybe subversion
15:28:58 <planetmaker> yes. tt-forums. There's a sticky on it
15:29:06 <planetmaker> and of course the ottd wiki
15:29:15 <planetmaker> probably better / more compact
15:30:09 <Rubidium> for a network server you don't need libsdl or timidity
15:30:24 <ecke> planetmaker this link is ok? ... i really dont like browsing and finding through 10000000 posts in forum
15:31:15 <ecke> ok ... i ll try these on wiki....
15:31:17 <planetmaker> surely it lists everything you need to compile openttd
15:31:49 <ecke> now only find newest IS patch
15:33:20 <planetmaker> search for infrastructure
15:37:48 <ecke> planetmaker ... so you most steable what can be there... is use stable release sources a add IS newest patch
15:39:01 <planetmaker> ecke: no, you should use the source of the nightly which maches the revision given in the posting where you got the patch file.
15:39:32 <planetmaker> otherwise it surely won't work. 0.6.3 is oooold wrt to source. More than half a year.
15:39:59 <ecke> r13031_infrastructure_sharing_v0.3.patch
15:40:06 <planetmaker> many things changed in comparison to the stable version.
15:40:37 <Rubidium> 13031 is quite ancient too
15:41:02 <planetmaker> ecke: did you get the latest patch file?
15:41:19 <planetmaker> I mean... there are many posted in other postings in that thread. Not from the first one.
15:41:26 <planetmaker> Last one submitted by Aali today.
15:41:39 <planetmaker> I only saw ...3... - which is ok ;)
15:41:47 <Rubidium> ~9 months (pre 0.6.1)
15:42:10 <ecke> .... Here's a (largely untested) version of the old patch that applies to r15313, enjoy
15:42:43 <ecke> i prefer stable then newest
15:43:06 <Rubidium> then use 0.6.3 without IS ;)
15:43:28 <Rubidium> IS is likely far from stable
15:43:55 <planetmaker> ecke: nevertheless, I'd advocate to use that.
15:44:07 <Rubidium> given the fact that many users don't complain about crashes with patches
15:44:30 <Rubidium> so one can't say anything about the the stability of ANY of the versions of the patch
15:44:35 <planetmaker> for good reason ;) as it's wildly discouraged
15:44:49 <Belugas> [10:02] <@petern> BUT I DID NOT SHOOT THE DEPUTY <-- a cookie for petern :D
15:45:25 <planetmaker> but then the early updates of that patch which I posted at times of wwottdgd/2 were probably ok, too. But I'd try the update nevertheless.
15:46:03 <ecke> r15313 patch and NB r15313
15:46:19 <ecke> the best option for ottd with IS?
15:46:33 <planetmaker> dunno. But I'd give it a shot.
15:46:57 <planetmaker> report crashes where you found the patch :)
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16:06:38 <dihedral> <Rubidium> IS is likely far from stable <- perhaps if some servers were running it would draw more attention to it, and the issues could be fixed and it would be well tested
16:06:57 <dihedral> but for some reason i am not entirely sure if i can assume you are really interested in IS :-P
16:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar definitely is ;)
16:07:55 <dihedral> yes, that is for sure
16:08:58 <planetmaker> Well. It's for MP a very nice feature. For SP it surely isn't worth a lot
16:09:38 <dihedral> planetmaker, unless you get to write an ai :-P
16:09:52 <dihedral> one that builds all the tracks, and lets you use them
16:10:00 <dihedral> and give you back all the money :-D
16:10:05 <planetmaker> well... :P Force the AI to share out tracks ;)
16:11:09 <dihedral> gnah - i had 2 css updates yesterday, anotherone right now
16:11:27 <glx> dihedral: AI API won't allow that
16:11:47 <planetmaker> glx: what? You mean running trains on AI tracks?
16:12:09 <planetmaker> what would stop me doing it, if I force cooperation and find a hook to their tracks?
16:12:30 <planetmaker> (besides that it'd be a scenario which is... not what IS is meant to be)
16:12:45 <dihedral> glx: obviously the API could be extended for IS :-P
16:12:47 <glx> if IS is done correctly, the owner must allow others to run on theirs tracks
16:13:46 <dihedral> + usage conditions apply
16:13:46 <planetmaker> glx: Still the owner needs the power to decide where others hook to his network.
16:14:44 <dihedral> planetmaker, not just 'connections between rails', but really a selection meny where you can allow / deny companies from using your tracks
16:14:46 <planetmaker> so, probably, you need a full n_company x n_company matrix of at least boolean, better int (=price) which allows access to networks.
16:15:11 * Swallow is doing some work on IS
16:15:36 <dihedral> planetmaker, yuck :-D
16:16:52 <Swallow> IS code was/is a mess though
16:17:23 <planetmaker> I still have the idea that it might be a good idea to re-write it by means of hg queues.
16:17:53 <Swallow> hg queues is what i'm currently trying
16:18:04 <Swallow> copying and rewriting as I go along
16:38:55 * dihedral puts orudge on the map
16:39:28 * planetmaker wonders what the current status of orudge 's sound replacement project is...
16:40:51 <dihedral> that is a good question
16:42:01 <planetmaker> how do you mean? Implementation-wise?
16:42:11 <planetmaker> That'd be sad to hear... :S
16:42:16 <Rubidium> no, the metaphorical track
16:44:06 <Rubidium> probably the steep one up and the engine doesn't have enough TE/HP
16:44:32 <petern> sound replacement == changing sample.cat
16:45:04 <petern> not implementing a new audio system that lets you play ogg files instead of midi...
16:45:11 <planetmaker> he :) It even works meanwhile without it... so... :)
16:45:46 <petern> obg doesn't list sample.cat :/
16:45:51 <dihedral> what a bjarni line to say petern
16:46:43 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01
16:46:50 <Rubidium> petern: sample.cat isn't base graphics, is it?
16:47:15 <petern> it should've been base data :p
16:47:36 <Rubidium> why should opengfx force you to use a specific sound replacement set?
16:47:38 <dihedral> still can be changed :-P
16:48:21 <planetmaker> Certainly doesn't hurt to have it seperately.
16:49:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15318 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#2594](r10288): don't warn about non-primary engines getting old
16:49:39 <Rubidium> all hail peter "the boss" n ;)
16:57:56 <petern> sample.tar support could work, i suppose
16:58:39 <petern> although as it goes in data it would might get confusing :o
16:59:08 <planetmaker> introduce data/sound
16:59:40 <dihedral> and what do you do with all the stuff you get from content :-P
16:59:46 <planetmaker> but well. one could :) anyway each dir is looked for.
16:59:57 <planetmaker> content_download/sound ;)
17:00:12 <dihedral> data/content/downloaded/from/bananas/sound/
17:00:52 <planetmaker> too short and un-descriptive
17:01:08 <planetmaker> d/a/t/a/c/o/... ;)
17:02:06 * dihedral still has to wait 40 mins for his css update to complete - gnah
17:02:23 <petern> one problem with sample.cat is lack of metadata...
17:02:42 <petern> css updates take 40 minutes?
17:06:32 <Rubidium> yeah, 300 baud isn't that fast
17:07:08 <planetmaker> even the ISS has a faster upload :)
17:07:51 <fjb> But travelling to the ISS would take longer than 40 minutes.
17:08:21 <dihedral> depends how you want to get there :-P
17:08:29 <planetmaker> a bit... :) depends upon whether you want to dock or hit ;)
17:08:57 <planetmaker> hit is easily done in <~ 20 minutes
17:10:15 <fjb> Did you consider the boarding time or only the flight time?
17:11:26 <planetmaker> a simple rope around the missle will do, if you only want to hit it ;)
17:13:24 <dihedral> just 'poke' him on top
17:14:16 <planetmaker> dihedral: that didn't establish a connection between fjb and me ;) But maybe this :P
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17:17:20 <dihedral> dihedral, that'd be one of the connections i would not even be after :-D
17:17:46 <planetmaker> har har. So much for self-love ;)
17:20:09 <dihedral> no - that is not self-love
17:20:14 <dihedral> that is just pickyness
17:20:47 <planetmaker> strengthening your place in the centre of action? ;)
17:21:03 <dihedral> i dont have to do that
17:22:01 <dihedral> at least i dont go around using a bot to highlight everyone :-D
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17:22:59 <DorpsGek> petern: Aali, Ammler, Andel, andy`, angelo, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, comanche3, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, DephNet[Paul], dfox, dihedral, divo, doc, DorpsGek, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Fuco, Gekz, genclay, George, glx, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, (2 more messages)
17:23:03 <DorpsGek> petern: HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, joepie91, jpm, lobster, Mark, Mark_, michi_cc, mikegrb, mikl, Mortal, Mucht, murr4y, neli, Noldo, NukeBuster, orudge, Osai, OwenS, patchie, petern, Phoenix_the_II, planetmaker, prakti, Priski, Prof_Frink, Progman, Purno_, Quaver, Rexxie, Ridayah, Roest, Rubidium, RvGaTe, Sacro, sigmund, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, SmoovTruck, snappy, snorre, SpComb, Splex, stillunknown, sunkan, (1 more message)
17:23:04 <DorpsGek> petern: svip, Swallow, Tefad, TheMask96, thingwath, TinoDid, TinoDidriksen, TinoM, tkjacobsen, tneo, tokai, tosse, ttdopen, valhallasw, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, wgrant, Wolfensteijn, worldemar, Xaroth, xerxesdaphat, XeryusTC, Yexo, Zahl, Zealotus, Zorn|, Zr40, and |Jeroen|
17:23:13 <petern> I still love that FEATURE
17:23:13 * davis- gives petern a attention hug
17:23:17 <dihedral> and yet - it still does not have the effect
17:23:41 <Vikthor> petern, the highlight spammer
17:24:04 <dihedral> it makes all the idelers leave, which is good
17:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but it feels better ;)
17:24:21 <dihedral> true, Eddi|zuHause you would have to ignore DorpsGek
17:24:24 <Vikthor> dihedral: doesn't seem to work
17:24:35 *** petern sets mode: +q DorpsGek!*@*
17:24:38 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you have to ignore DorpsGek...
17:24:39 <DorpsGek> petern: Aali, Ammler, Andel, andy`, angelo, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, comanche3, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, DephNet[Paul], dfox, dihedral, divo, doc, DorpsGek, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Fuco, Gekz, genclay, George, glx, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, (2 more messages)
17:24:54 <petern> does not work because bots need to be opped... yar
17:25:02 *** petern sets mode: -q DorpsGek!*@*
17:25:09 <goodger> petern: why do you keep doing that?
17:25:12 *** DorpsGek sets mode: -o petern
17:25:20 <tneo> what's up with the highlighting?
17:25:20 <mikl> ostensibly, you could just deop the bot ;)
17:25:24 <dihedral> so that you come along and highlight him
17:25:29 <davis-> petern is a attention whore
17:25:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o petern
17:25:50 <dihedral> he wants to steal my happy-place
17:25:51 <planetmaker> kids and their new toys :)
17:26:19 <petern> goodger: so that eventually, whoever runs that stupid bot will remove some stupid 'features'
17:26:23 <dihedral> good job FloodServ is not in here petern
17:26:37 <goodger> petern: could you PM me when that happens? thanks
17:26:40 <dihedral> petern, that'd be TrueBrain
17:26:41 <planetmaker> I think it wouldn't mind. Not sufficient amount of messages
17:26:48 <DASPRiD> stop highlighting me with @nicks...
17:26:53 <dihedral> and that feature is part of the user module, and cannot be 'unloaded'
17:27:00 <dihedral> only deactivated on a channel bases
17:27:22 <mikl> what kind of bot is DorpsGek btw?
17:27:29 <petern> remove it from the user module
17:27:32 <planetmaker> petern: the only persons who can abuse it are those with op rights...
17:27:57 <Zr40> python? just rip the code out :)
17:27:57 <Zahl> ITS THE ALL CAPS HOSTNAME GUY!!!
17:28:06 <planetmaker> so... unless op is given to unreasonable persons it should be pretty save :)
17:28:16 <welshdragon> stop highlighting me
17:28:30 <dihedral> the dragon's loose :-D
17:28:31 <mikl> apparently, I've gotten old. Last time i was really into IRC, EggDrop was the new hawtness
17:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "you can me one time" :p
17:29:03 <mikl> not all that fun to try and extend
17:29:25 <petern> any more idlers to weed out? hah
17:29:29 <planetmaker> lool @ Eddi|zuHause ;)
17:29:33 <dihedral> mikl, ap+ is nice :-P
17:30:06 <Rubidium> petern: the HansAffe guy seems to be idling ;)
17:31:07 <mikl> although like a lot of small open source project, the main web site is missing
17:31:24 <dihedral> mikl, only for like 6 months now
17:31:26 <planetmaker> probably some sociology student is having fun right now. A lot of fun.
17:33:25 <planetmaker> see you later guys. Food is calling :)
17:34:02 <Rubidium> that must be horribly fresh or old
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17:36:05 <mikl> there\is\PHP\work\to\be\done
17:36:11 <dihedral> for SmatZ it'd have to be bugs - he seems to prefer those :-P
17:37:09 <petern> did you finish custom bridgeheads yet?
17:38:13 <dihedral> you really believe i could do that?
17:38:30 * welshdragon roars at dihedral
17:38:30 <mikl> my mind will never be able to figure out why the designers of PHP decided that => and = should mean the same thing, only in different context, and not be interchangeable
17:39:02 <mikl> not to mention the whole namespace debacle
17:39:04 <dihedral> in which context are they the same?
17:39:40 <mikl> dihedral: they both do assignment, one in arrays and one outside arrays
17:39:52 <dihedral> oh that's what you mean
17:40:34 <mikl> I might be simple minded, but I always manage to mix it up when I'm thinking about functionality instead of syntax ;)
17:40:56 <Progman> => is a syntax special for foreach and array initialisation, it couldn't be done with = as = is the "general" assignment operation
17:43:05 <mikl> Progman: if you say so – I never wrote any parsers, so I can hardly judge whether the PHP guys are doing a good job :)
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17:54:37 <Zr40> – <-- what character is that?
17:57:02 <Zr40> looks like hydrairc doesn't support utf8...
18:01:44 <RS-SM> can you run open TTD on a minimal debian server?
18:03:42 <Rubidium> yes, though you need to compile it yourself (without SDL/png/freetype support)
18:05:40 <RS-SM> I have a old dell that I want to make a game server, so I could either put XP on it or a *nix*
18:07:42 <mikl> RS-SM: well, for that purpose, XP would be a huge waste of resources :)
18:09:20 <RS-SM> I don't like ubuntu though, its remote tools seem laggy to me
18:11:25 <mikl> RS-SM: well, I have Ubuntu on my web server
18:11:36 <mikl> but the only remote tool I use is SSH :)
18:11:51 <RS-SM> I tend to do all sorts of things including stream
18:12:00 <RS-SM> since my college internet does not allow me to torrent
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18:17:25 <Wolf01> the correct answer was o_O
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18:20:18 <Brianetta> if htis IRC network didn't filter out formatting, he'd have a mouth
18:20:48 <Wolf01> I see the underlined o
18:20:51 <frosch123> must be your client, it has a mouth
18:20:53 <eQualizer> What do you mean by mouth? Underöined o?
18:20:55 <Brianetta> Perhaps it's my client
18:21:12 <Brianetta> He's either a koala or a cyberman
18:21:25 <Brianetta> I *meant* him to be a koala
18:21:27 <Wolf01> sure it is your client, it printed :-/ inverted too
18:22:42 <eQualizer> (I'im lying in a bed, so it's a bit hard to write right when youre head is sideways at the same level as keyboard.)
18:23:20 <Brianetta> Needs practice, but I assure you it gets easy
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18:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15319 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-02 18:44:36
18:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 3 fixed by khaloofah (3)
18:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by habell (1)
18:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 533 fixed, 426 changed by 19izhar73 (959)
18:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 fixed by oklmernok (1)
18:45:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1)
18:55:24 <Belugas> i wonder if 19ishar73 just established an all time high
18:58:05 <Belugas> "I love you, I'm goign to blow up your school"
18:58:11 <Belugas> let's get smoooooooth
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19:10:21 <frosch123> petern: do you plan to add some "VehicleOverrideManager" that stores an EngineID -> (GrfID, internal_id) mapping in the savegame? Currently loading "compatible" newgrfs that specify one engine more or less screw the hole game.
19:12:14 <petern> pah, they're not compatible
19:12:53 <frosch123> no, but "compatible"
19:13:19 <petern> well, i'm not planning it
19:13:27 <petern> i won't stop someone else though ;p
19:13:37 <petern> it gets its video timings all wrong :(
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19:16:09 <frosch123> [19:58] <Belugas> i wonder if 19ishar73 just established an all time high <- hmm, he changed about 74% of all translated strings of that language, and there are already again 234 pending
19:16:26 * frosch123 wonders whether he will also translate untranslated :p
19:18:40 <Belugas> hope it's all for the best
19:19:08 <Belugas> but... like... we would not be sure up until the whole hebrew community will start yelling
19:19:42 <Rubidium> ~500 changes on ~2000 isn't 74%
19:20:47 <frosch123> 2000? then your statistics are different from those I can see
19:21:04 <Rubidium> there are ~3300 strings per language
19:21:22 <Rubidium> now ~2000 of them are translated
19:21:51 <Rubidium> he 'fixed' ~500, so it was ~1500 before he started
19:22:04 <Rubidium> he changed 426 of those ~1500
19:22:07 <frosch123> oh, yeah, I mixed "translated" and "not yet translated" :s
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19:52:49 <Zahl> ehm... how can i make the game build signals by default and not semaphores? =)
19:53:47 <Wolf01> put 0 as the introduction date for light signals
19:54:27 <Zahl> hmm k, game already running
19:54:44 <Zahl> so i'll have to ctrl+click :)
19:54:45 <Wolf01> you can change it in any moment
19:55:21 <Wolf01> signals already placed are not affected by the change, so you need to change them by hand
19:57:00 <petern> make a grf to replace the semaphores ;)
19:59:33 <Zahl> nah, its a network game so im too lazy, i thought it was an interface setting :>
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20:52:49 * dihedral points at Celestar and cargodest :-P
20:59:00 * Belugas wonders what would dihedral be longing for, if Celestar had not done the cargodest the way it is right now... ho... Belugas knows... IS
20:59:29 <Swallow> Can a rail tile ever be owned by OWNER_NONE or OWNER_TOWN?
21:00:11 <Yexo> Swallow: no, but maybe with the infrastructure sharing patch it can
21:00:59 <frosch123> maybe it is possible in games that are converted from very old savegames
21:01:17 <frosch123> i.e. in the old days level-crossings had only one owner etc...
21:01:22 <frosch123> smatz knows such things :)
21:01:35 <Swallow> that's what I was concerned about...
21:01:53 <Yexo> but if they have, they can't be used (at least not with current code)
21:02:49 * Swallow ponders whether he should abuse IS to make the impossible possible
21:06:04 <dihedral> Belugas, actually i was just wanting to pull Celestar's leg
21:07:10 <dihedral> that is why i said it
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21:11:18 * Yexo wonders why it are always the new users flaming about the behaviour in the forum
21:12:29 * Wolf01 wonders the same thing too
21:13:17 <frosch123> only the ignorant survive
21:14:11 <Wolf01> like the bugs after a nuclear holocaust
21:17:06 <Forked> dihedral: but I'm always right and all I do is whats best for the world. now stop bothering me!111
21:22:50 <Belugas> Yexo, maybe because if they did dare looking at the history of the forums, they would not be flaming, but understanding about the history
21:22:56 <Belugas> but no... too much efforts
21:24:23 <Yexo> the concept "forum != ask-and-get-what-you-demand" seems difficult to grasp for some
21:28:54 <Belugas> well... we've heard the arguments a lot, even in here. "Searching gives way too much results", "i'd rather ask to those who know, easier and faster", "the search is crappy, don't even want to give it try"
21:29:28 <Belugas> bottom of it, here are a bunch of spoiled brats who are still receive food from mama's hands :S
21:30:08 <Belugas> even my 5 years old son can pikc himself the stuff he needs or wants :P
21:30:27 <Yexo> I know, it's just that they get anoying from time to time
21:33:27 <Belugas> on the other hand, i guess we might be real pain in the ass ourselves...
21:33:40 <Belugas> and i do definitively count myself as one the biggest ones
21:33:54 <Belugas> and dare you all deny that!!
21:34:40 <Belugas> there is that one phrase i've seen once in a while: "it's a game, do you think i'll start working for it?"
21:34:57 <Belugas> that's what makes the difference between people.
21:35:11 <Yexo> but that's exactly the problem most of the time
21:35:14 <Belugas> those who love it enough to improve it, and those who simply want to enjoy it
21:36:09 <Yexo> but the first group can do a lot more before I find them annoying
21:37:30 <Belugas> usually, they get irritating by begging to include their work. and VERY irritating when not wanting to hold suggestions or comments or even denial into account
21:37:45 <Belugas> whooohou... i hope i'm not bruising any ego out there!!!
21:39:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15320 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Increase 'realistic' acceleration 'resolution' by one bit by reducing a division and removing a multiplication: 3/4*2 = 0; 3/2 = 1. And a smidgeon less CPU usage, hah.
21:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf is this AI guy trying to say?
21:39:55 <Yexo> he thinks NoAI uses too much cpu
21:41:23 <petern> it's often the price of flexibility
21:41:47 <Yexo> it does indeed, but that guy doesn't even want to try the available options
21:45:30 <patchie> is there a graphic's pack out?..or under construction still?..
21:46:15 <Yexo> there is bananas, openttds content service and also the openttdcoop grf pack
21:46:50 <Yexo> the content service is available in the nigthies
21:47:01 <Yexo> for the openttdcoop grf pack, have a look at openttdcoop.org
21:47:42 <frosch123> [22:33] <Belugas> even my 5 years old son can pikc himself the stuff he needs or wants :P <- you are biases, he just picks everything
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21:49:37 <Belugas> nope. only waht he wants :)
21:49:45 <Belugas> don't give him veggies ;)
21:49:54 <Belugas> but let see him spotting the chess :D
21:51:52 <Belugas> believe me, even that young he goes by this famous line "I know what I like, and I like what I know"
21:52:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15321 /trunk/src/ (engine_type.h newgrf.cpp table/engines.h): -Codechange: Load road vehicle 'realistic' acceleration properties from NewGRF, and supply defaults as used by TTDPatch. These values are not yet used.
21:54:56 * frosch123 senses Engine::Get[Display]TE() and Engine::Get[Display]AirDrag()
21:58:58 <Yexo> Edit: oh - and by the way: it took me time to comment on your BS <- nice end :)j
22:01:40 <dihedral> my personal fav is the (IT'S A BUTTON) :-D
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22:57:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15322 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15175): The AI list window didn't display information about the selected AI if it wasn't visible.
22:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> for me that reads "invisible window did not display anything"
23:01:18 <Yexo> hmm, the "it" was referring to "the selected ai"
23:17:15 <SmatZ> [22:01:48] <Swallow> Can a rail tile ever be owned by OWNER_NONE or OWNER_TOWN? <== no, such tiles are removed (a little effort is done to "fix" them, too) while converting old savegames
23:18:21 <Yexo> SmatZ: a bit late, Swallow is already gone ;)
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