IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-03-02
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00:00:29 <Gonozal_VIII> noai branch had a lot of changes lately
00:01:08 <jez9999> that sounds like... the lack of an AI
00:01:23 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, strange name^^
00:01:34 <jez9999> so the idea is one day that will be merged into the main openttd?
00:02:11 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that's what a branch is for...
00:02:20 <jez9999> btw if anyone sees KUDr, tell him jez thanks him for checking the face customization stuff
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00:26:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12324 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r6789): vehicles could be sorted in a wrong order when a vehicle name changed - cached name was not invalidated
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04:53:46 <De_Ghost> fujitsu makes garbages
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05:31:38 <Jesus_On_Wheels> can someone help me with TTD, when i play it seems to cut off the sides of the screen so much that i cant see the pause button, searched but cant find any solution
05:42:21 <Poopsmith> resolution is probably set wrong in game options
05:42:50 <Jesus_On_Wheels> i cant find anywhere to change it
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05:43:48 <Jesus_On_Wheels> the only option i can find is full screen or windowed
05:47:28 <Poopsmith> it's directly above the fullscreen toggle button in the main game options window
05:48:28 <Jesus_On_Wheels> thanks friend
05:48:32 <Jesus_On_Wheels> may god smile upon ye
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06:06:03 <De_Ghost> that guy was religious
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07:20:16 <Draakon> hmm, does anyone here has Gonozal patchpack?
07:21:20 <Draakon> erm, LA[lord], you know that you have logged here twice?
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07:24:57 <LA[lord]> Draakon, changing the network.. But this IRC doesn't recognise when the other is offline.
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07:26:33 <LordAzamath> nice! I can't change nick when I have joined #openttd.notice :(
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07:29:23 <Jesus_On_Wheels> whats the deal with openTTD, i build a station next to a forest and normally it would fill up with goods but with openttd nothing ever goes into it. have they changed the way it works?
07:30:08 <Poopsmith> station doesnt start stockpiling until an appropriate vehicle has been to the station
07:30:34 <Poopsmith> so until a wood truck or a train able to carry wood goes to that station, no wood will be waiting at the station
07:31:28 <Jesus_On_Wheels> hmm i tried that but nothing seemed to happen
07:31:30 <LordAzamath> You can change it in patch settings IIRC, but it's not really useful imo
07:31:39 <Jesus_On_Wheels> guess i didnt wait long enough
07:31:49 <Jesus_On_Wheels> whyd they change it
07:32:21 <LordAzamath> Because on else way you'd have something like ratin ~20% by the time your train arrives
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09:00:32 <Jesus_On_Wheels> what does the transfer order to do trains?
09:05:20 <Jesus_On_Wheels> if i set a train to full load when that location cant actually give a good which the train can carry will it sit there forever, or only wait for full load of what it can get
09:08:54 <Poopsmith> i imagine it'll sit there forever
09:09:01 <Poopsmith> havent tried it tho
09:10:14 <LordAzamath> Jesus_On_Wheels, it'l wait thereforever :)
09:10:29 <LordAzamath> unless you transfer cargo there
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09:12:46 <Jesus_On_Wheels> hmm i just experiemented
09:13:28 <Jesus_On_Wheels> i had a train that gets 4 different goods and it waits for one good to be fully loaded but not the others and then leaves, which is alright i guess, would be good if you could set which good you want to get a load of
09:14:16 <Poopsmith> it'll get whatever goods it can from that station
09:14:44 <LordAzamath> there is a patch setting LEave if any cargo full or something like that..
09:15:01 <LordAzamath> So you can set it to wait all cargos full too
09:15:24 <LordAzamath> and there is a patchso you can set which cargo to gull loaad
09:16:46 <LordAzamath> * Poopsmith is boring
09:17:11 <Poopsmith> my weekend has basically consisted of openttd
09:18:05 <Poopsmith> and i was hoping to try out playing coop, but my connection to the openttdcoop server is painfully slow, so i gave up on that idea
09:19:00 <LordAzamath> Poopsmith, atm nobody can play there
09:19:08 <LordAzamath> too nmuch server load
09:19:15 <Poopsmith> ahh, so its not just me
09:19:56 <Poopsmith> bad that noone can play there, but good that its not just my international connectivity sucking
09:23:30 <Poopsmith> cos i'm running an openttd server, but i cant play on my own server because my ping to it is so bad :P
09:25:47 <Jesus_On_Wheels> why is there lag, the game doesnt have to be that in sync with the server does it
09:26:17 <Poopsmith> still needs to be fairly in sync
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09:26:58 <Poopsmith> not like a FPS, i mean if i was playing Battlefield 2 i would consider 80ms an unacceptable ping, whereas i can play pretty alright on bvestation, which is 350ms for me
09:27:28 <Poopsmith> but it does still need to be in sync
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09:29:08 <Jesus_On_Wheels> the computer in this game im playing keeps going bankrupt and then selling their crappy company to another computer for two dollars which in turn fails because they took over the crappy routes
09:44:33 <jez9999> how can i talk to someone from the NoAI branch?
09:46:51 <Poopsmith> my guess would be that a forum post would be your best bet
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10:39:01 <Draakon> question: why trains make a stop on station if they have a non-stop order on it? (PBS network)
10:40:09 <Gonozal_VIII> patch compatible nonstop
10:40:51 <Draakon> hmm right forgot that :P
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11:00:33 <Draakon> on normal signals, if there is jam, trains will try to look for free path on both directions, but with PBS if they cant find it in the dircetion they were going, they will just wait for endlessly in the other direction, why?
11:00:57 <Patrick`> PBS was reintroduced?
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11:22:46 <Jesus_On_Wheels> u turn off AI? so whats ur aim then?
11:25:14 <LordAzamath> Jesus_On_Wheels, eee.. Build a nn effective nice network trains >1000 and no jams
11:27:18 <Patrick`> massive MASSIVE amount of trains
11:27:26 <Patrick`> I still have a save somewhere from when I topped out at 300
11:27:33 <Patrick`> but it was a struggle
11:27:41 <Patrick`> when you have 10+ people working on it ...
11:27:55 <LordAzamath> And all with very high skills
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11:28:10 <Patrick`> town removal's a chore
11:28:17 <Jesus_On_Wheels> i still dont understand the train AI wholley. i make a whole bunch of tracks which do fine and then i do the same style and they start jamming
11:28:22 <Patrick`> trees, bomb a house, trees, bomb a house, trees, bomb a house
11:29:12 <LordAzamath> Patrick`, demoloish a large area.. Plant trees, get rid of some houses.. demolish a large area.. Plant trees, get rid of some houses.. :P
11:29:32 <LordAzamath> yeah.. but you only remove houses nt trees
11:29:41 <Patrick`> no, that's what I actually meant
11:29:44 <Patrick`> I just typed it wrong
11:30:05 <Patrick`> it's the only way to regenerate bare earth
11:30:34 <LordAzamath> to be treehugger`? Come on.
11:30:55 <Patrick`> to get a town to like you enoough to destroy it
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12:09:25 <Gonozal_VIII> missing ! for a kick
12:10:38 <Gonozal_VIII> writing !password usually results in a kick with reason wrong channel :P
12:11:00 <Joy> Is this nog the openttdcoopserver then?
12:12:23 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i guess i could have been more helpful^^
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12:25:24 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII, you could but why?
12:27:28 <LordAzamath> SmatZ, glx is the bot?
12:28:04 <SmatZ> glx has scripts to kick you for !password and similiar
12:28:40 <LordAzamath> why aren't they in Dorpsgek?
12:28:50 <LordAzamath> yorick, glx is not here.. but he has logs
12:29:19 <LordAzamath> [14:25] <LordAzamath> !password
12:29:19 <LordAzamath> [14:25] <LordAzamath> !wiki
12:29:19 <LordAzamath> [14:25] <LordAzamath> !grf
12:29:19 <LordAzamath> [14:25] <LordAzamath> ^^
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12:57:47 <LordAzamath> :O.. I was kicked :O
12:58:44 <LordAzamath> I've said already I'm not watching IRC all the time :P
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13:05:17 <LordAzamath> Jesus_On_Wheels, why?
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13:19:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12325 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIEngine:CanRefitCargo()
13:34:45 <lolman> ln-, sure a 500w PSU can power a quad and an 8800GT?
13:35:17 <lolman> Think you may want something beefier
13:37:00 <Gonozal_VIII> and that's a boring case
13:37:28 <ln-> tell me a non-boring case.
13:39:28 <Gonozal_VIII> build your own :-)
13:40:42 <Patrick`> ln-: buy an expensive PSU.
13:40:50 <Patrick`> the wattage rating tells practically no story at all
13:41:10 <Patrick`> a cheap 500w will waste 200w as heat and fry everything when it dies which it will do within 6 months
13:41:26 <Patrick`> an expensive one will be quiet, unassuming, cost 60 quid, and work for 10 years
13:41:53 <Patrick`> antec, it's good, it'll be fine
13:42:03 <Patrick`> I have an 8800 and an AMD64 off a 380
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13:42:19 <Patrick`> aah, remember when AMD64 was *the* chip for gamers :)
13:43:35 <ln-> i'll go to the store myself to place the order, i can ask them what they think about that PSU.
13:44:39 <SpComb> Antec's PSUs used to melt a lot, but I think recently they've gotten better in that aspect
13:45:57 <ln-> i was considering Asus P5KC for the motherboard, but found a lot of negative comments about it by googling.
13:46:41 <ln-> i hope gigabyte is not crap.
13:47:44 <SpComb> It's been a long time since I looked at desktop hardware, so I don't know anything about those
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13:48:57 * SpComb is still using the hardware that he bought in October 2005 quite happily
13:49:14 <SpComb> runs CoD4 at 1280x1024 well enough
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13:53:07 <ln-> what do i lose if i choose GF 8600GT instead of 8800GT?
13:53:28 <ln-> would be a hundred euros cheaper.
13:54:21 <SpComb> I bought an almost-top-of-the-range-7800GT (only one better was the 7800GTX) for 400 €, and have been very happy using it for over two years
13:54:51 <SpComb> as opposed to, say, having bought a 6800GT that wouldn't be able to run CoD4 sensibly
13:56:47 <ln-> then again, i mostly need 3D acceleration for X-Plane nowadays.
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15:10:13 <yorick> where is yapp_followtrack gone?
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15:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> yorick: apply a patch only to the exact revision it was written for
15:11:27 <yorick> that makes no sense when trying to update one
15:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> yorick: i'd suggest let the cooder handle it himself
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15:13:01 <aztaric> hi, im trying to install ttd on ubuntu .. but i need the orginal data files .. where can iget them?
15:13:14 <ln-> from your original TTD CD.
15:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never heard of ttd floppies
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15:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> my TTO was 2 floppies worth of data put on a CD
15:18:13 <hylje> 'cause i recall a TT on floppies
15:21:15 <SpComb> is there some develop-openttd-on-win32 howto somewhere?
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15:23:30 <SmatZ> Slowpoke: how did this happen?
15:23:59 <Slowpoke> simply popped up, I did nothing...
15:24:22 <LordAzamath> Well you obviously did something..
15:24:26 <Slowpoke> I installed some new grfs and played for like 15 minutes or so and then it happened
15:24:28 <LordAzamath> Did you have any grfs?
15:24:34 <SmatZ> it could be a town growing
15:26:50 <SmatZ> Slowpoke: did you switch GRFs during gameplay?
15:27:09 * LordAzamath reboots to linux as new #openttdcoop game is starting soon
15:28:00 <LordAzamath> I just was pressing reboot button
15:28:04 <Slowpoke> I got that error yesterday after installing a town-replacement-set and I uninstalled that set afterwards, but it happened again...
15:28:10 <LordAzamath> and tyou said don't do it.. :P
15:28:33 <SmatZ> LordAzamath: I said something?
15:29:01 <SmatZ> Slowpoke: 1x1 building could be replaced by something that is not 1x1 building
15:29:09 <SmatZ> so house properties changed
15:29:16 <SmatZ> and this assert came later
15:29:23 <SmatZ> nothing can be done with that
15:29:51 <SmatZ> do not change GRFs during gameplay, there is a big red warning about it :)
15:30:35 <glx> theorically it should be safe as the new building is reverted to old type
15:31:00 <SmatZ> if you have city full of 1x1 buildings
15:31:08 <SmatZ> that are replaced by 2x2 buildings
15:31:25 <SmatZ> then they will be build each over another
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15:36:10 <LordAzamath> #join #openttdcoop
15:36:32 <Slowpoke> I updated to latest nightly and now have to wait and see, thank you guys :)
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17:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> you are a hero yorick
17:12:12 <glx> yorick: when did it failed?
17:12:41 <glx> it works only when I'm here
17:12:43 <SmatZ> when you were not here, glx :-P
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17:31:52 <yorick> I didn't know that it was possible to change apearance of void tiles using grf's :o
17:32:13 <SmatZ> yorick: it's nice - is it at #openttdcoop ?
17:43:20 <Ammler> I thought, bijarny made a kick for such commands here?
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17:44:11 <Ammler> ah, he was kicked, but tried again :-)
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17:47:37 <Sacro> heh, !bjarni would be awesome
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19:21:12 <Cosmo> have any of you had this happen to you?
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19:22:51 <Cosmo> I have no idea how I got this :/
19:23:20 <Cosmo> I was just playing on the arctic level tho
19:23:32 <Gonozal_VIII> did you open the opntitle.dat file?
19:24:07 <Cosmo> I just abandoned a game and got that
19:24:57 <Cosmo> I also had a bug where a message would come up saying a train has made a lose
19:25:03 <Gonozal_VIII> in some old versions you could scroll around and zoom the title game if the game exits while you had the right mouse button pressed... but afaik that's fixed
19:25:11 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if it doesn't reset the zoom levels
19:25:39 <Cosmo> but the amount it said it lose was millions :/
19:25:59 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that bug is known
19:26:15 <Cosmo> only on the 6.0beta-4 tho
19:27:02 <Cosmo> well if you want me I can be found on irc.linuxfromscratch.org
19:28:54 <Cosmo> okay I made a game, zoomed in a far as I could and then abandoned it
19:29:04 <Cosmo> I still get that screen shot I sent you
19:29:21 <Yorick> it seems like your opentitle.dat got zoomed out
19:29:31 <Sacro> i did LFS in a day on an errr...
19:29:44 <Cosmo> gcc takes 7 hours on one of my computers
19:29:53 <Sacro> then i stripped the libraries ><
19:29:55 <Cosmo> if I helps I use the nick Cosmo for everything
19:30:24 <Cosmo> Yorick, I've quit the whole program and reopened it and it's gone back to normal
19:31:05 <Gonozal_VIII> remove the opntitle.dat from your data dir and replace it with one from any game download
19:31:37 <Gonozal_VIII> so it does seem to save the zoomlevel
19:32:05 <SmatZ> rather the zoom-out input was not dropped as it should in the GM_MENU mode
19:32:24 <SmatZ> or a random memory corruption happened :-P
19:33:03 <SmatZ> or the zoom level was not reset
19:34:26 <Cosmo> how are the new AI coming alone?
19:34:47 <Cosmo> they don't seem to go bankrupt as fast and the ordinal AI :/
19:35:17 <SmatZ> it is under development
19:35:58 <SmatZ> or, whet do you mean by "new AI"? do you mean that "New AI" that is able to build only road vehicles?
19:36:07 <SmatZ> I think it won't be developed any more...
19:36:14 <SmatZ> but the "NoAI" branch is
19:41:40 <Patrick`> iirc wasn't that the branch that allowed scripted AI
19:42:06 <Patrick`> I guess it's getting more stuff
19:42:34 <Patrick`> does it still fill every town with buses and promptly explode them to cover the entire map?
19:43:12 <SmatZ> I don't know, I think the only official AI is that one that makes airports...
19:46:15 <Cosmo> the orginal AI keep going out of business cos they built tracks with 90' turns in
19:59:00 <SpComb> hmm... what do I need to do to fix the "The current font is missing some of the characters used in the text for thsi language" error that I get when I compile OpenTTD myself?
19:59:05 <SpComb> and hrmph, win32 smells
20:00:04 <SmatZ> use different language ot different font
20:00:39 <SpComb> hmm... where does it determine the language to use, or where can I determine what language it's using at the moment?
20:01:48 <SmatZ> what language? you are probably using the finnish language
20:02:20 <SpComb> so I suspect, I think I have my windows locale set to Finland
20:02:48 <SmatZ> probably... openttd detects your language
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20:03:02 <SmatZ> change OpenTTD language to English and you will get rid of that message
20:07:39 <LordAzamath> we've got 32-bpp Sergey in forums again.. :O
20:09:00 <glx> LordAzamath: you see the red ! on a blue button in bottom of post?
20:09:31 <SmatZ> what's wrong with Sergej?
20:09:48 <LordAzamath> but I don't know what has he done again..
20:10:14 <LordAzamath> was he banned once too?
20:13:05 <SpComb> well hmm, the in-game language is certainly english (all the menus etc are in english), but it's still complaing about the fonts
20:15:22 <SmatZ> LordAzamath: why did you report it?
20:15:26 <glx> SpComb: you build svn without svn
20:16:05 <glx> norev000 fails to load ottd grfs
20:16:13 <glx> and they contains some chars
20:16:34 <SpComb> ah... it's built from the git repo
20:16:46 <SpComb> what do I need to do to not build svn?
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20:22:32 <SpComb> ok, I changed the bit in the openttd_newgrf_version to 0xffffffff and it loads
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20:53:42 * Ammler is wondering, if ipv6 will ever be used...
20:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Patrick`> does it still fill every town with buses and promptly explode them to cover the entire map? <- that is rather a "bug" in the game mechanics, not in the AI
20:54:57 <Gonozal_VIII> it has to ammler... the current ips will run out eventually
20:55:03 <SpComb> Ammler: slowly but surely
20:56:04 <Ammler> hmm, was ipv6 before or after NAT introduced?
20:58:40 <SpComb> IPv6 is (amongst other things) a solution to the NAT problem
21:00:38 <Wolf01> meh... i don't know why ttdpatch refuses to start if i change the resolution.. it always prompt about not recognized program version blah blah... i give up and i'll try with the new pbs patch on ottd
21:01:34 <DJ-Nekk|d> how many possible addresses do IPv6 have? FFFF^6 ?
21:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> DJ-Nekk|d: more like ^8
21:06:46 <Wolf01> and i give up with ottd too -.-''' (why people don't make patches in a way that everybody can use?)
21:07:17 <Gonozal_VIII> in a way that everybody can use? what do you mean?
21:07:39 <Wolf01> i can't patch it with tortoise
21:08:01 <Wolf01> because it doesn't recognize the patch format
21:08:10 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see... which patch?
21:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> got the wrong file?
21:09:06 <Wolf01> both give the same error
21:09:24 <Gonozal_VIII> both of what?^^ yapp?
21:09:28 <Wolf01> "index not found... blablah the diff is empty?"
21:09:45 <Gonozal_VIII> yes that doesn't work with tortoise
21:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> use patch.exe from mingw/cygwin
21:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> if it's a git diff, patch -p1 -i <file>
21:12:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it's windows/tortoise that is broken, not the patch
21:13:20 <Wolf01> grr msys doesn't paste with rightclick
21:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can run all these programs from cmd, too
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21:40:06 <SpComb> hmm, interesting, it seems IPv6 TCP traffic between the guest vm and the host machine is broken with vmware
21:43:33 <Gonozal_VIII> then don't use ipv6?^^
21:47:07 <SpComb> not really a solution when I'm trying to test the IPv6 functionality of some application
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22:27:07 <Gonozal_VIII> every time i read that dragonhorseboy nick, i think of the southpark manbearpig
22:29:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> you watch too much south park :p
22:30:23 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not possible to watch too much southpark
22:30:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes it is, you are living proof of that
22:36:27 <Tefad> half man half bear half pig.
22:37:57 <Gonozal_VIII> your line would have been: i know, it's huge!
22:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... no, it's not 3/2!, it's 3/2
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22:55:45 <XeryusTC> <Gonozal_VIII> it's not possible to watch too much southpark <- i have to agree with that!
22:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> denial is one of the main symptoms of an addiction
22:58:25 <ln-> damnit, i was going to go order a new computer tomorrow, but now i noticed there will be a new C2Q processor coming within a few weeks or even days. one that is only slightly more expensive.
22:59:20 <Gonozal_VIII> there's always new hardware that is only slightly more expensive right after you bought something
23:00:14 <Gonozal_VIII> and i'm not southpark addicted at all... i didn't watch any new episodes since 1114
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23:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> 11:14 is a movie
23:01:02 <ln-> i know, but if the new ones are already on the market when i go get the computer on friday or next week, then that'll be annoying.
23:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: after the cebit, you can usually get older hardware for much less price
23:03:03 <ln-> does that apply to PC components? i assosiacete CeBIT more with cell phones.
23:03:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never felt the need to buy the top gear equipment, when you can get last years equipment for 50% of the price
23:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> you then use the computer for like 4 years instead of 5, but that is still much cheaper
23:06:00 <ben_goodger> the trouble I have is that my RAM is bottlenecking the whole system
23:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> then buy new ones?
23:06:35 <ben_goodger> however, to upgrade it I will need to buy a new mobo, ram and processor at the same time
23:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is the usual problem with upgrading
23:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> you might as well buy a complete system
23:08:20 <ln-> strictly speaking, all the things currently on my list are "last year's equipment", from 2007.
23:12:00 * Slowpoke is on '03 equipment :(
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23:13:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i have something similar
23:13:54 <ln-> i need 4 cores to be able to use firefox.
23:14:14 <Slowpoke> so don't use firefox :p
23:14:20 <ln-> i hope it is properly multi-threaded.
23:14:42 <ln-> Slowpoke: give me a proper alternative and i'll consider changing.
23:15:15 <Slowpoke> I'm in love with Opera
23:15:57 <ln-> not acceptable: it loses key presses when typing an url.
23:15:58 <Slowpoke> but anyway, firefox shouldn't use much of your CPU
23:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> i use konqueror
23:16:42 <Slowpoke> it doesn't for me, but sometimes it fails opening three or more wepbages at one time...
23:16:54 <ln-> also Opera is packaged for Linux by a badly trained chimpanzee.
23:17:18 <Slowpoke> okay Im using windows
23:17:57 <ln-> or what else can be the fucking point of leaving all the localisation files out of the package, and letting users manually install them if they want to use Opera in some other language than English?
23:18:49 <ln-> i should file a bug about English being in the package.
23:18:57 <Slowpoke> is there still no international package for linux?
23:19:22 <ln-> the last time i checked, i don't remember seeing one.
23:19:44 <Slowpoke> hm I haven't used linux in about one year...
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23:38:48 <Tefad> flash sucks the life out of my firefox.
23:38:59 <Tefad> 50% cpu just idling at the end of a youtube video
23:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> but flash has nothing to do with the browser, it's a plugin
23:40:51 <Patrick`> it's probably bugged and pegging one of them
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23:59:55 <ln-> multiple flashes per page is a sure way to bring fx to an unusable state.
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