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00:01:48  <murray> hammerTime();

00:02:15  <Gonozal_VIII> stop()

00:02:19  <Gonozal_VIII> ;

00:02:29  <Gonozal_VIII> i always forget the ;

00:03:02  <murray> aye, tell me about it

00:04:42  <ln-> wtf, i just crashed my computer *twice* with a user-space program without root access.

00:05:59  <pv2b> call bugtraq

00:06:04  <glx> <reto> what does 'invalid chunk size' mean when I load a savegame? <-- savegame contains more (or less) data than it should

00:06:57  <reto> glx: and what exactly does 'as it should mean' :) what source file could have been changed to cause this?

00:06:59  <glx> usually savegame created in a different branhc

00:07:11  <ln-> can someone suggest an OSX topic to argue about?

00:07:28  <strstrep> ln-: Are you here just for flame wars?

00:07:35  <Sacro> i know i am :)

00:07:55  <ln-> strstrep: of course not.

00:08:13  <Sacro> strstrep: he's here for the free biscuits at the end

00:08:48  <strstrep> ln-: At the end of the test, you will be baked, and there will be cake.

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00:12:41  <valhallasw> ln-: what probram? :D

00:13:03  <valhallasw> simple forkbomb or what? :P

00:16:24  <reto> can anybody tell what in this patch breaks the looading of old savegames? http://rafb.net/p/6mEzcb43.html (only 300 lines) patch was not written by me

00:16:40  <reto> oops, a second too early, haven't verified myself yet

00:16:46  <reto> (checking....

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00:18:49  <reto> jap

00:18:54  <reto> does't work

00:19:04  <reto> trunk can load savegame, trunk + patch can't

00:19:20  <reto> I'm just wondering what exactly is causing it

00:20:51  <Rubidium_> the first chunk

00:21:07  <reto> the settings?

00:21:21  <reto> hmm

00:22:01  <ln-> valhallasw: probram?

00:22:26  <ln-> me not speak your languwich

00:22:26  <valhallasw> program >_<

00:22:57  <ln-> i just noticed simply opening /dev/ttyUSB0 is enough

00:40:25  <reto> hmm I change this 65 to 80 :(

00:40:56  <reto> the savegame value..

00:41:04  <murray> damn desync

00:42:43  <reto> hmm or how to pick a new version nr?

00:46:19  <reto> starting from v84 the patch works on existing savegames

00:46:30  <reto> created with HEAD.. so I guess this is the next free number?

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01:00:29  <Wolf01|AWAY> 'night

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01:05:54  <Sacro> whoah

01:06:03  <Sacro> a game with current date December 11139

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01:14:36  <reto> Assertion failed: (sd != NULL), function PatchesSelectionWndProc, file /Users/reto/scripts/openttd/src/settings_gui.cpp, line 816.

01:14:52  <reto> I get that when I change the 'from' field from 65 to 84

01:15:04  <reto> I'm doing something completly wrong :(

01:15:17  <glx> what is exactly your change?

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01:16:09  <reto> glx: I'm trying to fix a patch which adds another setting

01:16:22  <reto> when the patch last time was fixed it was using the version '65'

01:16:27  <glx> I mean the change in settings

01:17:00  <reto> http://rafb.net/p/0z0ELe64.html

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01:23:04  <glx> well you put 84 instead 65, but you must increase SAVEGAME_VERSION too

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01:23:56  <bumblebee> hello, anyone got time for a quick question? :)

01:24:28  <Gonozal_VIII> no

01:24:33  <Gonozal_VIII> ;-)

01:24:39  <Gonozal_VIII> just ask

01:25:33  <bumblebee> i can`t remember how i can auto-replace my car when they get old, can`t even remember if its possible, is it? :P

01:25:40  <bumblebee> *car`s

01:26:04  <Gonozal_VIII> it is, in the vehicle list, dropdown menu bottom middle

01:26:26  <ln-> bumblebee: you are using the wrong apostrophe (`). the correct one is '.

01:26:53  <ln-> and definitely an apostrophe doesn't belong to the plural of car.

01:27:16  <bumblebee> but that`s only when i get a newer model to replace it with isnt it?

01:27:57  <Gonozal_VIII> you can also replace them with older models if you want to...

01:27:59  <ln-> bumblebee: please use the proper apostrophe. it's the one next to the return (enter) key.

01:28:04  <reto> glx: ah

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01:29:29  <glx> bumblebee: what you want seems to be autorenew, you enable it in patches settings

01:30:01  <bumblebee> hmm give me a sec

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01:32:06  <reto> works, thanks glx

01:32:29  <bumblebee> were it says "autoreplace when vehice(<-- grammar error?) x months before max age?

01:32:41  <glx> yes

01:33:23  <bumblebee> excellent :) ty very much

01:35:37  <bumblebee> i get really tired when i have to replace all of them manually :)

01:36:26  <bumblebee> gn

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02:05:19  <strstrep> Hehehe that's funny

02:05:29  <Gonozal_VIII> hahahahaha

02:17:21  <strstrep> GUI bugs can produce interesting-looking results.

02:40:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11725 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Codechange: less a magical number

02:46:34  <strstrep> I have to give it to you guys, figuring out a general idea of what is going on in the code wasn't so bad.

02:47:35  <G> opps, I left breakdowns enabled it seems in a dedicated server, how can I disable them?

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03:01:23  <Eddi|zuHause3> G: load game in local client, change setting, load in server

03:07:31  <G> ouch

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04:38:36  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11726 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Feature[newGRF]: Extend the Action 5, feature 0D usage. Patch by BigBB

04:38:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11727 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttd.nfo shore.nfo shore.pcx): -Change: Add the new graphics and nfo file for missing shore

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07:14:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11728 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#1577]: if there are no houses that can be build in a specific year yet, force the houses with the earliest introduction year to be available.

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08:36:26  <peter__> oh lord

08:36:28  *** lord is now known as [LA]lord

08:36:45  <[LA]lord> ?

08:39:09  <peter__> won't you buy me

08:39:15  <peter__> a mercedes benz

08:39:56  <peter__> my friends all drive porsches

08:40:04  <peter__> i must make amends

08:42:15  * [LA]lord is not lord :(

08:42:32  * [LA]lord is LordAzamath w/o special powers :D

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08:42:47  <peter__> well that's bloody useless!

08:43:01  <LordAzamath> true

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10:32:26  <G> how would I go about disabling breakdowns in all future dedicated server games

10:33:46  <hylje> patch option

10:34:37  <G> oh, I found my fault!

10:34:46  <G> I changed diff_custom, but not diff_level

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10:37:38  <pavel1269> hi

10:40:20  <Vikthor> hi

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11:03:20  <ln-> snow!

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11:14:07  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11729 /trunk/src/ (road_gui.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Don't rely on the first railtype's sprite offset being zero when drawing road stations.

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11:23:22  <ludde> merry new year and a happy christmas!

11:26:16  <pavel1269> ln-: where?!

11:27:21  <ln-> pavel1269: right there, on the left!

11:28:06  <pavel1269> i don't see :(

11:28:14  <pavel1269> ln-: where are you from?

11:29:25  <ln-> .fi

11:31:11  <pavel1269> send some snow to us ... sounth-east :)

11:32:59  <ln-> east? ... take a look at the map.

11:33:47  <pavel1269> okay ... mmt

11:34:01  <pavel1269> .fi == finland right?

11:35:41  <ln-> right

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11:36:33  <pavel1269> ln-: okay then ... ~400km west and ~1600

11:36:39  <pavel1269> *1600km

11:36:42  <pavel1269> sounth

11:37:47  <peter__> or even south

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12:14:02  <Digitalfox> Belugas shouldn't your commit r11726 support new water shores corners? I build just now with BuildOTTD r11729 and it doesn't support it, but since i think BuildOTTD doesn't compiule grf files maybe some are missing.. :\

12:20:22  <peter__> why would it need to compile grf files?

12:22:00  <pavel1269> ^^

12:22:56  <Digitalfox> Why? well because openttd by default uses already some grf files, like the "slopes feature" the new airport features, etc.. And since in the commit of belugas there is a shore.nfo something must have changed

12:23:44  <Digitalfox> So since BuildOTTD didn't compile shore.nfo maybe i'm missing some sprites or something

12:24:22  <Digitalfox> Anymore questions peter___ and pavel1269  ?

12:24:45  <pavel1269> BuildOTTD will NEVER compile .nfo

12:24:54  <Digitalfox> well i know that

12:25:15  <Digitalfox> that's why i'm asking if it's the cause why i don't have the new shores support

12:25:19  <pavel1269> you need it by grfcodec and when you cimpile it, just add  .grf to data dir

12:26:10  <Digitalfox> yes, but niglty version brings any new grf, so i'll just wait for it.. But my question was if is a grf missing the cause for not seeing properly new shores

12:26:22  <pavel1269> offcourse

12:26:30  <peter__> shore.nfo? where is that?

12:26:47  <pavel1269> peter__: decoded shore.grf? ^^

12:26:54  <pavel1269> i never saw that grapsic

12:26:58  <roboboy> CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11726 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Feature[newGRF]: Extend the Action 5, feature 0D usage. Patch by BigBB

12:26:58  <roboboy> <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11727 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttd.nfo shore.nfo shore.pcx): -Change: Add the new graphics and nfo file for missing shore

12:27:29  <peter__> right, not in the main source

12:27:34  <Digitalfox> the place /extra/ottd_grf/split/shore.nfo

12:27:49  <pavel1269> so now, we have all shores?

12:27:52  <peter__> BuildOTTD shouldn't ever download that

12:28:40  <Digitalfox> oh boy... I know that, my question was just if it's the cause of not being using new shores, because new water should already support the new shores and give the sprites needed

12:28:57  <peter__> no, because shore.nfo is built into openttdw.grf

12:28:58  <Digitalfox> but never mind

12:29:34  <Digitalfox> i'll wait for nighlty and see what new grf it brings

12:29:59  <peter__> BuildOTTD will download the new grf, of course

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13:45:33  <Wolf01> hello

13:46:03  <Belugas> Happy New Year to you too ludde :)

13:46:08  <Belugas> and everyone else, of course!

13:46:33  <Wolf01> to you too Belugas :)

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13:48:03  <robotboy> happy new year

13:48:28  <Wolf01> to you too :)

13:50:20  <Belugas> and you and you and you and you and... :D

13:50:23  <Belugas> youhou!!

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13:58:12  <pv2b> i'm making a patch that requires a few changes to config.lib -- anyone familiar with the configure system? i have almost figured it out, just have a few small questions.

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14:01:14  <pavel1269> cinfig.lib? O_o what patch is that??

14:01:58  <pv2b> pavel1269: config.lib -- it's the patch that implements the changes to where user data is stored i've been talking about.

14:01:59  <Gonozal_VIII> virus!!! burn it!!! poke it with a stick and see if it still moves and burn it again!!!

14:02:20  <pv2b> basically i need to know if doing OS checks in set_default() is possible, and if so, if it's a good idea

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14:07:38  <peter__> either my calendar is wrong, or people are saying "happy new year" too early

14:08:07  <pavel1269> too early ;)

14:08:07  <Gonozal_VIII> 9h left...

14:08:25  <pavel1269> 9h? 15 + 9 = 24 .. okay you are right ?D

14:08:32  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^

14:08:36  <Vikthor> Gonozal_VIII: Depends on where you are

14:08:44  <peter__> i make it 10

14:08:45  <Gonozal_VIII> i know that ;-)

14:08:54  <peter__> because UTC is the one true time system

14:11:01  <Vikthor> For example in Sydney it's 2008 now

14:11:17  <Wolf01> uh, 9 standard galactic weeks to the end of the year

14:11:24  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^

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14:12:42  <pavel1269> Vikthor: sure? or 24.12 07 early morning? :o)

14:12:55  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm it's already week 1 according to ptbsync calendar

14:13:25  <Wolf01> mine says it too

14:13:31  <Vikthor> pavel1269: eh?

14:13:44  <pavel1269> *31.12

14:13:48  <pavel1269> :))

14:15:46  <Vikthor> pavel1269: Make sure you know which way Earth spins, it's 1.1.2008 in Sydney

14:16:42  <roboboy> yeah

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14:17:25  <Draakon> hiello

14:19:10  <Gonozal_VIII> the earth spins the other way in sydney because they all walk upside down on their hands.... you have to be careful at the equator where the earth spins in different directions, you have to jump fast over it and land on your hands!

14:20:07  <Gonozal_VIII> perfectly logical, don't question my wisdom!

14:21:02  <Draakon> i do

14:22:04  <Gonozal_VIII> you're notquestioning my wisdom? good :-)

14:22:56  <Wolf01> i always wondered why objects and people in the southern emisphere don't fall in the void of the space

14:23:27  <Draakon> yes i do

14:23:34  <Gonozal_VIII> that's part of the string theory...

14:23:37  <Gonozal_VIII> lots of strings

14:23:40  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)

14:23:51  <Gonozal_VIII> and magnets too

14:23:58  <pavel1269> :)

14:24:32  <Wolf01> so the earth is like a big fridge with magnets sticked on all the surface?

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14:24:49  <Gonozal_VIII> only the lower part :-)

14:25:14  <Draakon> its gravity

14:25:19  <Gonozal_VIII> why did you think there was a magnetic field on the northern part? all their magnets!

14:25:46  <Draakon> its gravity dude! not magnets

14:25:53  <Wolf01> is magnet

14:26:22  <Gonozal_VIII> gravity pulls down, they would fall off on the lower side without the magnets

14:26:23  <Draakon> gravit

14:26:24  <Vikthor> You all shoulb ashamed of yourself - So drunk so early in the afternoon :p

14:26:26  <Wolf01> Gonozal_VIII explained it

14:26:31  <Vikthor> * should be

14:26:53  <Draakon> and why we talk about this anyway? we talk about OpenTTD here!

14:27:17  <Wolf01> also in ottd the people on the lower side of the map fall in the black

14:27:26  <Wolf01> and the world is a square

14:27:46  <Wolf01> and flat

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14:29:18  <Draakon> anybody knows a scenario that is based from real word?

14:29:35  <Gonozal_VIII> they all are

14:30:02  <Vikthor> Draakon: Whole Earth or just particular part?

14:30:14  <Wolf01> ottd uses google earth to generate the maps

14:30:16  <Draakon> whole earth

14:30:22  <Draakon> ni'

14:30:24  <Draakon> no*

14:30:24  <Gonozal_VIII> they took lots of photos in real toyland to create realistic toyland scenarios

14:30:28  <Draakon> it doesnt

14:31:27  <Gonozal_VIII> which is very risky because you can get shot for even being too close to a battery farm

14:32:34  <Gonozal_VIII> battery farms are illegal, that's why you don't see any of them over here

14:32:36  <pavel1269> :)

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14:36:56  <peter__> Gonozal_VIII, you don't see many free range farms either

14:40:52  <Draakon> hmm i try loading a scenario but i get these errors: dbg: [oldloader] Read past end of file, loading failed

14:40:54  <Draakon> why?

14:44:15  <Wolf01> damaged scenario?

14:45:46  <Draakon> i dont think so

14:46:13  <Draakon> i was able to play that scenario on, umm, rev8000? or 9000

14:46:32  <Wolf01> maybe some features changed

14:47:07  <Draakon> no, it hasent changed in a while

14:47:13  <peter__> probably the oldloader has been broken

14:47:17  <peter__> it doesn't get tested very often

14:47:23  <Gonozal_VIII> try to start it with a revision that works, save it and then load with a new revision

14:47:41  <Draakon> btw its a Patch scenario too :P

14:47:49  <Gonozal_VIII> ...

14:48:16  <Sacro> morning

14:48:18  <glx> <Draakon> btw its a Patch scenario too :P <-- that's not guaranteed to work

14:48:39  <Draakon> that same scenario worked before on older revisions

14:48:45  <Gonozal_VIII> well same solution... if it did load with an older revision do that, save it as an openttd savegame and that should load

14:49:29  <Draakon> will try with r8007

14:50:13  <Draakon> it works!

14:54:08  <Wolf01> uh, Belugas, about the shores feature, i need to load another grf besides new water?

14:58:45  <Ammller> Wolf01: you need a patch

14:58:52  <Ammller> I guess its not in the trunk

14:58:55  <Wolf01> it is in trunk now ;)

14:59:00  <Ammller> wow, nice

14:59:11  <Wolf01> i just compiled it

14:59:19  <Ammller> then it should work with new water

14:59:21  <Wolf01> but seem that it doesn't work :/

14:59:22  <pavel1269> somewhere must be new grf

14:59:43  <Wolf01> i dlded also the 0.6b version of new water

15:00:37  <Ammller> Wolf01: which commit?

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15:00:47  <Wolf01> 11729

15:01:02  <Wolf01> <- head

15:01:13  <Wolf01> the feature should be 11725

15:03:30  <peter__> Wolf01, as far as i can tell that commit only adds support for another method of loading the slopes

15:03:39  <peter__> but doesn't actually add the feature

15:04:03  <peter__> i guess it's in preparation or something

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15:11:50  <Ammller> Wolf01: I can approve it, its not in the trunk yet...

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15:12:32  <Ammller> and you mean 11726?

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15:55:07  <roboboy> gnight'

15:56:52  <Sacro> rofles

16:02:25  <Draakon> can anybody tell me how can i place ecs industries in scenario editor without those limits where to place them?

16:08:12  <Draakon> oeh Georg is leaving

16:08:30  <Draakon> not lit teary

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16:11:24  <Draakon> who gonna send 2007 and take the new year with a big bang?

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16:22:21  <dih> 'allo

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17:08:40  <MiHaMiX> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/responsible_behavior.png  <-- LOL

17:10:28  <dih> LOL

17:11:02  <Wolf01> ahahah

17:15:12  <MiHaMiX> http://pizdaus.com/pics/IihWRBeWSVfr.jpg  <-- hmm, reasonable :-)

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18:13:52  <Noldo> svk has failed me

18:16:06  <pavel1269> svk?

18:16:11  <pavel1269> slovakia? :P

18:18:34  <Noldo> http://svk.bestpractical.com/view/HomePage

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18:24:09  <joosa> I'm just starting a game with my friends, now deciding what new industries to take in

18:24:21  <joosa> any suggestions? (i've never played ttdpatch)

18:24:37  <joosa> I hear some talk about ECS

18:24:45  <Greyscale> Ooh, can I play?

18:24:49  <Greyscale> What version?

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18:25:06  <joosa> 0.6.0b2, but it's not starting anytime soon I guess

18:25:18  <Greyscale> wow, 0.6.0 came out?

18:25:23  <pavel1269> beta2 ..

18:25:27  <joosa> a beta yes

18:25:35  <Greyscale> I've not played in a while, then noticed #openttd was still in my bouncer :P

18:25:36  <pavel1269> since when is 0.6.0b2 ttdp? :)

18:25:47  <joosa> we already played with pikka's industries

18:26:17  <joosa> pavel1269: I meant that new industries was a ttdpatch feature until now :)

18:26:19  <Greyscale> Where can I find a build for linux for that version?

18:26:27  <Greyscale> Or do I need to fire up my old winpeecee?

18:26:33  <pavel1269> joosa: i like default ones :)

18:26:48  <joosa> I've been playing with the defaults a bit too much :)

18:26:59  <pavel1269> then try ECS?

18:27:03  <joosa> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/index.php?do=search&q=industries

18:27:08  <joosa> yeah, I was looking into it

18:27:22  <pavel1269> i have never played with other industries :)

18:27:48  <joosa> those come with appriopårite vehicles?

18:27:50  <Greyscale> damn, gotta build from source

18:28:04  <joosa> there's a package for debian/ubuntu at least

18:28:56  <joosa> I'll download ECS and see what it's like

18:33:46  <joosa> ahh too much work for now :P

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18:45:55  <Wolf01> and always, like every year, my friends trash me and i have nothing to do :(

18:46:05  <Wolf01> stupid friends :(

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18:48:51  <joosa> new year? the random point in spacetime?

18:49:18  <joosa> I wish there would be times when no one notes it

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18:51:17  <Wolf01> i prepared a party in my house... 40 minutes ago they come here to say they found another place to stay

18:51:30  <peter__> :o

18:51:44  <Wolf01> 40 minutes ago!!!!

18:52:13  <Wolf01> they have told me it yesterday: no problem, but no 40 minutes ago

18:52:20  <joosa> how nice of them

18:52:37  <joosa> I'm alone as usual

18:53:09  <joosa> listening to the endless crackle and pop

18:53:19  <joosa> and playing ottd

18:55:09  <Wolf01> i shouldn't think about it, or i'll get a gastric ulcer 'cause of angry

18:55:49  <joosa> having friends is like that.

18:55:57  <joosa> no friends == better

18:56:00  <Greyscale> joosa, I'm installing it on my winpeecee

18:56:06  <joosa> oh

18:56:10  <Greyscale> Any specific /data stuff I need?

18:56:20  <joosa> don't know yet

18:56:24  <joosa> ig you mean the grfs

18:56:27  <Greyscale> yeah

18:56:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r11730 /trunk/src/lang/ (16 files): (log message trimmed)

18:56:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-12-31 19:55:44

18:56:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)

18:56:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by webfreakz (1)

18:56:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 fixed by kristjans (1)

18:56:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed by glx (1)

18:56:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 27 fixed by moewe2 (27)

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18:57:02  <peter__> /dev/sda2              9582316   9067004     28544 100% /

18:57:04  <peter__> "oops"

18:57:13  <Greyscale> lulz :P

18:57:21  <joosa> that's tightly packd

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18:57:46  <joosa> luckily there's always space for root

18:58:05  <peter__> *nod*

18:58:07  <Greyscale> joosa, is your server up?

18:58:24  <joosa> it is, with some random grf's from the ottdcoop pack

18:58:31  <Greyscale> damn

18:58:32  <joosa> it's paused I guess

18:58:36  <Greyscale> Whats it calle?

18:58:46  <joosa> I was going to start a new, the collection was a bit badly chosen :)

18:58:55  <Greyscale> ok

18:59:03  <Greyscale> I'll play singleplayer until you're ready

18:59:13  <joosa> but I have no sight of the friends I was going to play with

18:59:15  <pavel1269> 19:55 <joosa> no (friends == better) == false :)

18:59:21  <joosa> :P

18:59:38  <joosa> I always forget to include smilies

18:59:45  <pavel1269> :)

18:59:57  <pavel1269> i always forget to include some letters :D

19:00:09  <pavel1269> or they are included twice

19:00:09  <pavel1269> :)

19:00:15  <joosa> I always remenmber to incluse some extra letters

19:00:22  <pavel1269> i see ^^

19:01:32  <pavel1269> i must get that damn RR to work :)

19:01:50  <pavel1269> 2hours ago, it worked lie on disco! :)

19:02:03  <pavel1269> green, red, green , boom, hoops :D

19:02:07  <joosa> I should make a nother user to run another dedicated server on

19:02:17  <joosa> extra spaces too.

19:02:30  <pavel1269> sometimes i use less spaces :P

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19:09:13  <joosa> oh well, now they want to play bzflag

19:09:46  <joosa> seems my openttd dreams were trashed

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19:11:30  <pavel1269> i need aritmetic opearion which give me this table: 0 0 = 0, 0 1 = 1, 1 0 = 0, 1 1 = 0

19:11:35  <pavel1269> :/

19:11:45  <hylje> :o

19:12:18  <Noldo> there's 2 times 0 = 0

19:12:25  <pavel1269> ^^

19:12:26  <Greyscale> joosa, I'll still play :P

19:12:34  <pavel1269> Noldo: you didn't get it :o)

19:12:39  <Gonozal_VIII> xor

19:12:46  <pavel1269> 1 0 = 0

19:12:47  <pavel1269> !

19:13:03  <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm?

19:13:25  <laz0r> with xor, 1 0 would be 1

19:13:28  <Gonozal_VIII> makes no sense?

19:13:29  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^

19:13:46  <Wolf01> wait, karnaugh maps

19:14:01  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm

19:14:03  <pavel1269> hehe

19:14:12  <Gonozal_VIII> == 1

19:14:20  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)

19:14:21  <pavel1269> false

19:14:21  <pavel1269> :)

19:14:32  <Gonozal_VIII> and false is 0

19:15:42  <joosa> Greyscale: I'm testing ECS a bit

19:16:25  <Gonozal_VIII> with == 1 you should get that :-)

19:16:31  <joosa> I should test on a smaller map maybe :P 1442/1600

19:16:50  <Gonozal_VIII> there is no 1442/1600 map

19:16:55  <pavel1269> :D

19:16:58  <Greyscale> ECS?

19:17:07  <joosa> the industry generation counter that was

19:17:13  <pavel1269> he meant ...

19:17:19  <pavel1269> @calc 1442/1600

19:17:19  <DorpsGek> pavel1269: 0.90125

19:17:23  <pavel1269> :D

19:17:29  <joosa> 90% dome

19:17:39  <joosa> ok, it's not moving

19:17:44  <Progman> pavel1269: what about !A and B?

19:17:59  <pavel1269> b? ???

19:18:07  <joosa> the map was 2048x1024 iirc

19:18:12  <pavel1269> i ma not sure what !A will do :)

19:18:22  <Gonozal_VIII> that's only one 2bit thingy not two booleans^^

19:18:27  <Gonozal_VIII> or is it?

19:18:42  <pavel1269> ahh

19:18:53  * pavel1269 debugging "!"

19:19:02  <Gonozal_VIII> ! is not

19:19:17  <peter__> b ^ (a & b)

19:20:11  <pavel1269> hmm

19:20:15  <pavel1269> w8

19:20:53  <joosa> the question is, sdo I need some vehicles grf with ECS industries?

19:21:10  <Gonozal_VIII> yes

19:21:15  <peter__> yes you do

19:21:20  <joosa> thought so

19:21:29  <joosa> ah

19:21:30  <peter__> the default vehicles do not support different cargos

19:21:38  <Gonozal_VIII> serbian trains have the best ecs support that i know of

19:21:41  <pavel1269> peter__: it's a=>b :)

19:21:42  <joosa> the one an the bottom here: http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloads.html

19:21:44  <pavel1269> false

19:21:44  <joosa> or?

19:22:09  <peter__> huh?

19:22:59  <pavel1269> b ^ (a & b) == 0 0 = 1, 0 1 = 1, 1 0 = 0, 1 1 = 1 which is "=>"

19:23:11  <peter__> no

19:23:21  <peter__> with b ^ (a & b), 1 1 = 0

19:23:52  <pavel1269> hmm

19:23:55  <pavel1269> true

19:24:41  <pavel1269> it's still wrong :)

19:24:51  <peter__> oh, and 0 0 = 0

19:24:57  <peter__> so it fits the list you asked for

19:25:17  <Gonozal_VIII> 00=0 01=0 10=0 11=1

19:25:23  <Gonozal_VIII> that's a&b

19:25:34  <pavel1269> really? b ^ (a & b) = 0^(0&0) = 0^1 = 1

19:25:44  <peter__> 0&0 != 1

19:25:47  <laz0r> 0^1 == 0

19:25:49  <pavel1269> omg :D

19:25:52  <Gonozal_VIII> 0&0 = 0

19:25:56  <pavel1269> sry :o)

19:26:07  <Progman> 00=0 01=1 10=0 11=0 is still !a & b o_O

19:26:18  <laz0r> but x^0 == 1 for every x

19:26:21  <Gonozal_VIII> 0^1=1

19:26:22  <pavel1269> but what ! will do to my BYTE

19:26:23  <laz0r> even x == 0

19:26:30  <laz0r> ok, no

19:26:32  <laz0r> forget that

19:26:36  <Progman> you mean bitwise? use ~

19:26:41  <Progman> ~a&b

19:26:56  <pavel1269> b ^ (a & b) - this will work for sure

19:27:19  <laz0r> x^0 == 1 for every x, even x == 0, thsats what i wanted to say

19:27:27  <laz0r> am i right?

19:27:42  <pavel1269> 0^0 = 0

19:27:54  <laz0r> no, 0^0 == 1

19:27:55  <Gonozal_VIII> ^ means both the same = 0, not the same = 1

19:28:05  <pavel1269> ^ == XOR

19:28:07  <Progman> laz0r: ^ as in bitwise-xor, not as in "power"

19:28:15  <laz0r> ah, ok

19:28:24  <pavel1269> ,)

19:28:26  <laz0r> i thought ^ meant power

19:28:44  <peter__> ~a & b is probably more efficient

19:30:26  <Gonozal_VIII> yes i think so too

19:31:32  <Gonozal_VIII> well... can never be really efficient to work with single bits on a 32 or 64bit machine

19:31:37  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^

19:33:11  <peter__> ...

19:33:23  <pavel1269> lol ^^ i dont know now, what b means now :))

19:33:35  <Gonozal_VIII> 2nd bit ;-)

19:33:56  <pavel1269> in program ^^

19:34:02  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe

19:34:17  <Gonozal_VIII> that's bad ;-)

19:34:35  <Gonozal_VIII> lots of queen on 3sat

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19:42:56  <UnderBuilder> I think something openttd needs is less servers, so the players doesn't sparce too much

19:43:28  <peter__> better tell that to the server operators

19:45:24  <Gonozal_VIII> make them register to the masterserver and pay a monthly fee of 100 for being listed :D

19:47:41  <Gonozal_VIII> and if there are still too much after that, put them against a wall and shoot them, that will keep the serverlist nice and small

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19:47:59  <pavel1269> small or void?

19:49:02  <Gonozal_VIII> or kidnap people and force them to play until every server is crowded

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19:49:58  <Wolf01|AWAY> i'm still here

19:50:04  <pavel1269> :D

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19:50:23  <pavel1269> who Wolf01 or AWAY ? :P

19:50:28  <Gonozal_VIII> no, you're away

19:50:29  <pavel1269> or both?

19:50:36  <Wolf01|AWAY> both

19:50:37  <Gonozal_VIII> he's away

19:50:46  <Gonozal_VIII> wolf01 is gone

19:50:54  <Wolf01|AWAY> but away is here

19:50:57  <pavel1269> :D

19:51:00  <Gonozal_VIII> been kidnapped to play openttd

19:51:37  <Gonozal_VIII> on a toyland server!

19:51:42  <pavel1269> haha :D

19:52:23  <Noldo> evil!

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19:54:04  <Wolf01|AWAY> i think i'll wait here some time, then i'll bring my sister to the disco and i'll go visit my grandmother

19:54:57  <Gonozal_VIII> you can't go outside!

19:55:02  <Gonozal_VIII> there's a war going on!

19:55:10  <Gonozal_VIII> missiles and bombs all over the place

19:55:26  * pavel1269 goes to the window

19:56:03  <Gonozal_VIII> just wait 3h pavel and you'll see it

19:56:11  * pavel1269 doesn't saw any bomb or missile

19:56:24  <Noldo> only 2h here

19:56:26  <pavel1269> one prob

19:56:41  * pavel1269 owns too some bombs and missiles

19:56:46  <pavel1269> ^^

19:56:49  <Gonozal_VIII> warmonger!

19:56:54  * pavel1269 hides

19:56:55  <pavel1269> no!

19:57:09  <Noldo> I don't like fireworks

19:57:25  * pavel1269 is aiming some missiles at Gonozal_VIII

19:57:38  <Noldo> well in the hands of professionals they can be quite nice

19:58:04  * Gonozal_VIII sticks some firecrackers on his missiles and aims at pavel1269

19:58:22  <pavel1269> whats firecracker?

19:58:46  <Gonozal_VIII> the things that go boom

19:59:10  <Gonozal_VIII> at least i think so, don't ask me questions in strange languages

19:59:33  <pavel1269> :)

19:59:58  <pavel1269> wow, i changed a lot of things and signals still work ^^

20:00:23  <pavel1269> sometimes they turn on mode_disco .. alltime_green and so on

20:00:43  <Gonozal_VIII> alltime green is nice, faster trains :D

20:00:48  <pavel1269> :D

20:00:51  <pavel1269> since junction

20:00:51  <pavel1269> :D

20:02:33  <Gonozal_VIII> while you're at it, add some signals in tunnels, on bridges and in stations, will you?^^

20:02:41  <pavel1269> no

20:02:43  <pavel1269> yw

20:02:43  <pavel1269> :)

20:03:20  <pavel1269> wow, want place signal? yes? crash on you! :D

20:03:25  <pavel1269> :'(

20:04:27  <Gonozal_VIII> also signals on signals and signals on signals on signals!

20:05:38  <Gonozal_VIII> imagine birds climbing around on the signals... they need signals too

20:05:55  <Gonozal_VIII> and if some ants run around on the birdsignals they also need signals!

20:06:24  <Gonozal_VIII> otherwise they will crash and cause a giant fireball

20:07:35  <pavel1269> birds + signals != fireball

20:07:52  <Gonozal_VIII> see, that's what i said

20:08:42  <Gonozal_VIII> but the ant signals are even more important

20:08:48  <Gonozal_VIII> it could be fireants!

20:13:07  <Gonozal_VIII> that would be like maglev train filled with liquid oxygen bottles crashing at max speed into another train same load, same speed opposite direction

20:15:56  <pavel1269> reason of crash .. NULL->max_speed :)

20:20:27  <Gonozal_VIII> there are people in front of our house playing music...

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20:21:14  <James> hi all

20:21:26  <Gonozal_VIII> hi one

20:21:42  <pavel1269> hi

20:21:44  *** James is now known as Guest1810

20:21:49  <Guest1810> btw. happy new year

20:22:02  <Gonozal_VIII> still 2007 here

20:22:38  <pavel1269> :)

20:23:43  *** Guest1810 is now known as James152

20:23:55  <James152> here too

20:24:02  <Gonozal_VIII> oh pavel.. he's from czechoslovakia too^^

20:24:03  <James152> but after 3,5 hours

20:24:21  <James152> im not from czechoslovakia :D

20:24:45  <pavel1269> czechoslovakia does not exist :)

20:25:05  <pavel1269> James152: from slovakia? :P

20:25:32  <SpComb> or slovenia?

20:26:24  <Gonozal_VIII> why would slovenia have a k?

20:26:43  <Gonozal_VIII> ok, the domains don't always make sense...

20:27:01  <pavel1269> :o)

20:27:12  <James152> to pavel1269: Yes from Slovakia

20:27:24  <pavel1269> takze mi rozumis? :)

20:27:33  <James152> jasne ze ti rozumiem

20:27:39  <pavel1269> just tryed ^^

20:27:50  <James152> try ::D

20:28:08  <Gonozal_VIII> they have a secret language!

20:28:12  <James152> FAQ: Can I help with OpenTTD?

20:28:15  <Gonozal_VIII> they'll take over the channel!

20:28:28  <pavel1269> Gonozal_VIII: hahaha!

20:28:47  <James152> to Gonozal_VIII: thats slovakian language, and Pavel is Czech

20:28:58  <Gonozal_VIII> i know that^^

20:29:23  <Gonozal_VIII> can you speak a strange language called c(++)?

20:29:23  <pavel1269> James152: hele, ted jen tak napisu Gonozal_VIII a ty to ted potvrd anglicky, beztak se bude ptat :D jen tak pro srandu ;)

20:30:56  <James152> to pavel1269: jak chces, mozme

20:31:22  <Gonozal_VIII> :'(

20:31:28  <pavel1269> :)

20:31:30  <James152> to Gonozal_VIII: I often speak in PHP

20:31:33  <James152> :D

20:31:36  <Ozgu> :O

20:31:49  <pavel1269> 21:28 <James152> FAQ: Can I help with OpenTTD? <--- you need help or what?

20:32:11  <Gonozal_VIII> he has some help left and wants to share it^^

20:33:23  <Gonozal_VIII> http://bugs.openttd.org/ <-- there's a list of bugs and patches and things like that

20:33:28  <James152> no no, i wanna help with development, if i can

20:34:19  <pavel1269> kick_Gonozal_VIII[ass]++

20:34:20  <pavel1269> :P

20:34:41  <Gonozal_VIII> :P

20:34:51  <SpComb> unquoted strings (undefined constants) as array indexes?

20:34:53  <pavel1269> slap_Gonozal_VIII[head]++

20:35:07  <pavel1269> SpComb: nvm that ,)

20:35:32  <pavel1269> so ... kick[Gonozal_VIII][ass]++;

20:35:43  <pavel1269> so ... slap[Gonozal_VIII][head]++;

20:35:44  <pavel1269> :)

20:35:52  <pavel1269> good now?

20:35:57  <SpComb> perhaps you'd rather have it as a function

20:36:04  <Gonozal_VIII> or not :P

20:36:14  <Zahl> or make it oop and have it as methods

20:36:15  <pavel1269> Perform(kick[Gonozal_VIII][ass]);

20:36:30  <SpComb> you'd end up with something like $chan->users["Gonozal_VIII"]->ass->kick();

20:36:34  <pavel1269> >]

20:36:35  <pavel1269> :)

20:36:54  <James152> can be

20:36:55  <pavel1269> much better

20:37:22  <Gonozal_VIII> you all want to hurt meeeee :'(

20:37:35  <pavel1269> you want kiss? i guess no :D

20:38:05  <Gonozal_VIII> you've got a sister?^^

20:38:09  <James152> or (INSERT into FOOLS Values "Gonozal_VIII" "31_12_07" "big fool from IRC")

20:38:21  <Zahl> pavel1269.kiss(Gonozal_VIII);

20:38:31  <pavel1269> Assertation failed

20:38:33  <Gonozal_VIII> don't sql me :P

20:38:33  <pavel1269> :)

20:38:45  <James152> sorry but i like SQL

20:39:09  <Zahl> stop sqling people around :-D

20:39:14  <pavel1269> hehe

20:39:19  <SpComb> what variant of SQL that doesn't use brackets and commas for the VALUES section?

20:39:34  <Zahl> JameSQL i guess ;)

20:39:41  <SpComb> and your casing of keywords and identifiers is quite inconsitent

20:39:51  <pavel1269> INSERT into FOOLS Values ('Gonozal_VIII','31_12_07','big fool from IRC')

20:40:05  <SpComb> you have all-caps, all-lower, and CamelCase keywords

20:40:21  <pavel1269> insert into fools values('Gonozal_VIII','31_12_07','big fool from IRC');

20:40:23  <pavel1269> :)

20:40:27  <SpComb> better

20:40:41  <Rubidium_> James152: the best way to get into the development of OpenTTD is by fixing bugs; it makes you very quickly familiar with lots of the deep backends of OpenTTD *and* fixing bugs is a requirement for releasing new stuff.

20:40:42  <Gonozal_VIII> NOT better :P

20:40:44  <James152> to SpComb: dont find mistakes, or you are debugger?

20:41:03  <pavel1269> :D

20:41:05  <Gonozal_VIII> he's a bot

20:41:14  <SpComb> James152: the custom date format is kind of icky

20:41:20  <James152> to Rubidium_: how to share info about mistakes?

20:41:31  <Gonozal_VIII> !logs

20:41:31  <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )

20:41:35  <Gonozal_VIII> see, bot

20:41:40  <pavel1269> hehehe

20:41:41  <SpComb> lies

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20:41:55  <James152> ok and what about NewGRF?

20:41:57  <Rubidium_> James152: known bugs are at bugs.openttd.org

20:42:20  <Gonozal_VIII> i already posted that link rubidium, i rock^^

20:42:27  <Rubidium_> there you can comment on bugs and provide patches for them using the 'comment' feature of the 'issue tracking system'

20:42:48  <James152> ok

20:43:03  <James152> i got one

20:43:04  <Rubidium_> especially the 'providing patches' (read fixes) for bugs is appreciated

20:43:23  <James152> why OpenTTD sometimes donn find all servers?

20:43:36  <James152> *dont find

20:44:11  <Rubidium_> firewalls, the fact that UDP isn't certain to arrive at the destination and the fact that the server list is not always necessarily 100% up-to-date

20:44:46  <Rubidium_> though servers listed on the server list have been online (and reachable for the masterserver) over the last 5 to 10 minutes

20:45:10  <James152> to Rubidium_: ok, but before i flash "REFRESH" button, I got more servers in list

20:46:06  <Gonozal_VIII> first you only have the servers from your cfg

20:46:39  <stillunknown> I suggest you focus on bugs that can be reproduced without problems (those that do not involve the internet).

20:47:35  <stillunknown> Maybe a nice null pointer dereference or an assert, with savegame.

20:47:40  <James152> ok, i try to solve it

20:47:43  <Rubidium_> or rather, focus on confirmed bugs

20:49:32  <James152> ok

20:49:49  <peter__> god this laptop's io performance sucks

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20:59:45  <James152> i will back soon

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21:18:35  <pavel1269> well, i think he will not make any bugfix/patch soon

21:18:35  <pavel1269> :/

21:19:23  <pavel1269> since he hasn't known that it is written in c(++) and he need compiler for that :-/

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21:20:22  <flaa> Happy new year!

21:20:38  <pavel1269> wait 2h ;)

21:21:40  <Gonozal_VIII> 1h 38min 20 sec:-)

21:22:19  <flaa> where can i find the GRVTS set version 0.3?

21:22:25  <SpComb> 37 minutes and 35 seconds

21:22:32  <pavel1269> hehe

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21:37:33  <pavel1269> hmm

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21:51:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11731 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:

21:51:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#1582]: Clear sprite override data before performing NewGRF wagon attach callback. This stopped

21:51:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the callback working for autoreplace and when moving wagons from train to train in a depot.

21:51:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r11724): Don't check wagon attach callback for the chain when moving a single wagon.

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22:15:42  <ln-> report from 2008: nothing to see, return to your homes.

22:16:34  <G> Brianetta: any reason for autopilot to be setting the server name to "Unnamed Server" (the server name is set correctly in openttd.cfg)

22:19:10  <ln-> and what, a peter1138?

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22:24:57  <G> :S and now my rcon password doesn't want to work

22:25:08  <peter__> lies

22:35:39  <G> hmmm, works fine without autopilot except pause/unpause

22:36:50  <Brianetta> G: Autopilot sets the name?  How?

22:36:56  <G> no idea

22:37:07  <Brianetta> Where do you see this name?

22:37:54  <Brianetta> Put it this way, there's no such string in autopilot as "Unnamed Server"

22:38:23  <G> but when I run normally (i.e. $PATH/openttd -D...) it uses the correct name per openttd.cfg, when using Autopilot, it actually recongises the name in the openttd.cfg file, and then in the server list it comes up as "Unamed Server"

22:38:31  <G> I have no idea how it's doing it

22:38:48  <G> I'm using 0.6.0-B2 btw

22:38:56  <Brianetta> So

22:39:04  <Brianetta> Which openttd.cfg are you using?

22:39:18  <G> save for both instances

22:39:31  <Brianetta> Which openttd.cfg are you using?

22:39:55  <Brianetta> autopilot reads all of its settings from the config file.  It loads up before any saves.

22:40:14  <G> well .openttd/openttd.cfg, is identical to the one in my ap-2.0.4 directory (which AP uses)

22:40:19  <Brianetta> It's either ./openttd.cfg or the contents of OTTD_CONFIG if that exists

22:40:37  <Brianetta> Are you running it from ./openttd ?

22:40:53  <Brianetta> If you are not, you need to set OTTD_CONFIG

22:41:18  <Brianetta> otherwise it has no idea where to read its settings from

22:43:19  <Brianetta> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Autopilot

22:43:26  <G> I changed 'command' in the Autopilot section to add -c etc

22:43:46  <Brianetta> Changing command only changes the openttd command line

22:43:56  <Brianetta> It does NOT change where autopilot reads it own settings

22:44:19  <Brianetta> You need to set OTTD_CONFIG as an environment variable, to the config file you intend to user

22:44:31  <Brianetta> or, you can edit the default in autopilot.tcl

22:44:53  <Brianetta> or, you can start autopilot from within the directory that contains openttd.cfg

22:45:03  <G> yeah, thats what I'm doing

22:45:22  <Brianetta> Remember, by the time the openttd command is run, autopilot has initialised itself and is running

22:45:31  <G> I have an openttd.cfg in the autopilot dir, which is identical to the one I normally use

22:46:16  <G> but mysterily as a result, rcon no longer works, and the server name disappears

22:46:47  <Brianetta> I recommend telling autopilot where the real config file is

22:47:21  <Brianetta> You did add the autopilot configuration to the openttd.cfg, I presume?

22:48:16  <G> yep

22:48:39  <G> hmmm, looks okay now

22:49:59  <G> brilliant, it all works, yeah, the environ variable seemed to be the problem

22:50:33  <Brianetta> Identical files aren't identical (:

22:50:43  <Brianetta> unless they have the same inode number, naturally

22:51:23  <G> good point

22:51:36  <G> could hardlinking fix it?

22:51:52  <Brianetta> No idea.  The recommended solution is the one you used.

22:52:30  <Brianetta> What I do is symlink everything in my autopilot directory into my openttd bin directory, and run it from there

22:52:49  <Brianetta> then I can still svn up date openttd and autopilot separately

23:01:40  <pavel1269> HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! AND OT OF BUGFIXES :P

23:01:59  <pavel1269> *lot :/

23:02:12  <Zahl> happy new year ;)

23:04:58  <Brianetta> meh

23:05:06  <Brianetta> IRC is a global medium.  UTC, please.

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23:47:11  <Gonozal_VIII> i'm back!

23:47:36  <qball> crap

23:47:39  <Gonozal_VIII> did you all miss me? haven't been here in this year

23:48:31  <Gonozal_VIII> :P

23:48:51  <Gonozal_VIII> 2008 is a good year...

23:49:02  <Gonozal_VIII> i started it with destroying stuff, so it must be good

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23:49:18  <Sacro> still 07 :p

23:49:30  <Gonozal_VIII> 08 :P

23:49:55  <G> it's been 08 here for 13 hrs, trust me, it's nothing to get excited over

23:49:56  <Gonozal_VIII> i broke an ashtray some minutes ago :-)

23:50:38  <Gonozal_VIII> made a nice, big candle out of it... put some small candles and some paper in...

23:51:11  <Gonozal_VIII> fire :D until the ashtray broke

23:51:31  <Gonozal_VIII> then wax all over the table... not so nice anymore

23:52:52  * Sacro whilstles

23:53:59  <Gonozal_VIII> why are you at the pc sacro? you have to blow stuff up in 6 minutes

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23:56:06  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: meh, will be going soon

23:56:51  <Gonozal_VIII> bad thing that white fluffy stuff all over everything outside.. absorbs all explosions

23:57:39  <pavel1269> gn

23:57:46  <Gonozal_VIII> plopp instead of boom

23:57:49  <Gonozal_VIII> night

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