IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-08-09
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00:00:05 <Hendikins> And you're not getting a $300 round trip SYD/HKG
00:00:48 <Hendikins> glx: How stupid is this guy?
00:01:14 <Wezz6400> Hendikins: stupid enough to get ignored by me
00:01:21 <Hendikins> Besides, if you're currently in HKG, what would you want a SYD -> HKG ticket for?
00:01:47 <simon444> Hendikins, because I can get a ticket to syd already.
00:02:12 <Hendikins> Nobody gets free tickets, unless somebody else is paying for it.
00:02:22 <Hendikins> Even tickets with a zero fare component are subject to tax.
00:02:54 <simon444> Hendikins, someone else is paying for it... I just have to spend about $200 for other related costs.
00:03:59 * Hendikins shoves all the paperwork for this CityRail job in his laptop bag
00:05:27 <Hendikins> That will be nice. Free rail travel in NSW *and* Qantas staff travel.
00:06:02 <simon444> rail sux0rz in Australia\
00:07:09 <Bjarni> <simon444> rail sux0rz in Australia\ <-- how would you know? You are in Asia
00:07:12 * Hendikins packs his laptop up
00:07:54 <Hendikins> Two batteries today, might need to VPN in and shit stir some more :)
00:08:16 <simon444> Bjarni, I have been to aus dahhhhh
00:10:12 <Hendikins> ...and on a vaguely on-topic note, nice to see that building openttd scales almost linearly with icecream :)
00:10:48 <simon444> Hendikins, stop it with your offtopic chatter.
00:11:52 * simon444 starts getting ready to leave
00:11:58 <Hendikins> Some of us have job related interviewing to attend.
00:12:04 * Hendikins pads off, tailswishes
00:12:26 <simon444> Hendikins, most of us already have a job
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00:12:55 * SpComb needs to find himself a part-time job while he's at uni
00:13:24 <simon444> SpComb, I'll hire you
00:14:41 <simon444> are you male or female?
00:19:08 <Bjarni> you aren't this channel, so I wasn't talking to you
00:24:45 <simon444> exaile must be working for us
00:26:21 <simon444> okay I need to be gone in about 5 minutes for my train
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02:43:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10829 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/station_cmd.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Animation was causing failures if the tile happened to be one of the hardcoded animated tiles. For the moment, comment out. Will be replaced with newgrf animation.
02:46:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10830 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Only test and draw a preview picture if the fsmportspec can be accessed.
02:53:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10831 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
02:53:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Split OTTD airports into basic and extended sets. Created 2 new .grfs.
02:53:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Added City Airport to airportsbasic.grf.
02:53:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Correction to availability callback (thanks Maedhros).
03:14:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10832 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: If no airports are selectable, then the image of the first in the list is shown, but greyed out.
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04:09:05 <tritoch> i'm getting an error when trying to run the windows installer for .5.2 on windows xp sp2
04:10:56 <tritoch> the error is titled "16 bit MS-DOS Subsystem" and has details "path\to\openttd-0.5.2-win32.exe The NTVDM CPU has encoutered an illegal instruction. CS:057e IP:05af OP:63 2e 75 6f 75 Choose 'Close' to terminate the application." it has options "close" and "ignore"; If I choose ignore, another 3 similar errors appear and then the command window stalls
04:11:52 <tritoch> nevermind i re-downloaded it and it is working
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05:25:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10833 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp video/win32_v.cpp): -Fix [FS#1115]: assertion (different cost between test and execution) of overbuilding road tunnels with tram tracks (and vice versa) when the dragged area contains both ends of the tunnel.
05:35:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10834 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Revert (part of r10833): something too much was committed :(
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07:06:32 <phryx> nono, not </work><work> its </fun> <work> </work> <fun> etc...
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07:13:51 <Tefad> i didn't do it right did i
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08:13:29 <Ammller> hi, how long does a server keep the server id on servers.openttd.net?
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10:31:06 <Smoky555> i want to ask about config_file (different for all versions), but i solved this problem :)
10:34:06 <Smoky555> but now... is it possible to use SAVE folder in the folder with binary instead folder in My Documents/OpenTTD for my saves and autosaves?
10:34:06 <Wezz6400> thanks for saving us some time ;)
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11:55:30 <aneb> and disappointed. on my server, someone cheated and is acting like microsoft at the moment
11:57:01 <aneb> by cheat, i mean he put up a blockade on some of his stations
12:01:47 <aneb> i banned him and deleted his company
12:02:12 <alex_> i reakon us admin should get together and make a banlist together
12:02:20 <alex_> so that if you notice a fucktard like this
12:02:30 <alex_> itll be added to like a global banlist
12:03:05 <aneb> o cool, my server is fswh ottd server in the server list
12:03:36 <alex_> im launching 5-6 more servers soon
12:03:40 <alex_> get the number up to 20
12:05:38 <alex_> can i have an account? :D
12:05:56 <aneb> alex_: anyone can and for good reason
12:07:03 <alex_> so i can hack the internets
12:07:10 <alex_> and download all teh pr0n
12:07:28 <aneb> alex_: cracking == abuse of server
12:07:30 <alex_> what better reason than this?
12:21:10 <Diabolic-Angel> alex_: just start a list and spread the word
12:22:08 <Gekko> aneb: you're email link is busted
12:22:32 <Gekko> and you're w3c buttons aren't on the correct divider
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12:45:35 <alex_> dihedral, keep back! he is my sex toy
12:46:14 <dihedral> i dont want his service alex_
12:46:22 <dihedral> have my own dedicated server ^^
12:46:43 <dihedral> i want to introduce him to OpenTTDLib for the OpenTTD games he hosts ^^
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12:47:30 <alex_> dihedral, you seen those AlexServers >> ?
12:48:18 <alex_> i got 6 more coming soon
12:48:27 <dihedral> too small maps for my taste ^^
12:48:40 <dihedral> have you seen OpenTTDLib?
12:48:55 <alex_> to small maps? 1024x1024 to small?
12:49:14 <dihedral> 128x64 is what i saw
12:49:16 <alex_> so those nice line railways
12:49:19 <dihedral> hey - that was a rhyme ^^
12:50:25 <alex_> ill get all my servers on this
12:50:36 <alex_> how about offical support
12:50:46 <dihedral> i would say - download trunk
12:51:03 <alex_> all my servers about to be renamed too
12:51:15 <alex_> i regged me a domain name the other day
12:51:45 <alex_> "carbon neutral hosting" teheheh
12:52:11 <dihedral> i am with 1&1 and regfish.com
12:52:40 <dihedral> 1&1 for their mail server stuff, and regfish for the hidden primary dns support
12:52:47 <dihedral> i do the rest on my server
12:53:23 <dihedral> just dont like the thought of not getting hold of my emails if my server should go down
12:53:31 <dihedral> or infact having them then bounce
12:54:23 <dihedral> if you download trunk of openttdlib, it should work right away
12:54:28 <alex_> this is why i am getting s $5 per month virtual machine
12:54:36 <alex_> act a as a backup mx catchall
12:55:23 <dihedral> just need finishing documentation on trunk, and then that will be the next release
12:55:33 <dihedral> before i try to add grf support
12:55:46 <dihedral> i am on irssi (commandline irc client)
12:56:08 <Diabolic-Angel> dihedral: /msg $nick <message>
12:56:49 <Diabolic-Angel> you'll get a new tab when someone querys you
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13:08:57 <dihedral> Diabolic-Angel: did not know about the alt-1 through alt-0 key bindings
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13:57:22 <dihedral> TrueBrain: i have a little suggestion for you - regarding the server list
13:58:08 <dihedral> instead of just have the details page available at ?id=
13:58:28 <dihedral> also make it available at ?ip=&port=
13:58:58 <dihedral> so that it's possible to link to ones details page from other sites without having to look if the id might have changed for whatever reason
13:59:46 <dihedral> in addition - you could group the listed servers by ip, and only show a top10 or something similar always comparing the best out of each ip group
14:00:05 <dihedral> making the goups expandable to show the others in the same group
14:02:55 <XeryusTC> dihedral: the website's source is freely available via svn
14:05:13 <dihedral> but iirc maintained by truelight -right?
14:05:53 <dihedral> so - i am just passing on an idea - in the hope to get back his thoughts on them
14:06:07 <blathijs> It's hosted by TrueBrain, but I'm not sure if there is any specific maintainer
14:06:15 <blathijs> AFAIK Darkvater wrote most of it
14:09:21 <blathijs> I think that's outdated, TrueBrain started coding again :-p
14:11:14 <dihedral> last editid 15:01, 26 October 2006
14:16:32 <Ammller> is there something like su in the admin console?
14:16:52 <Ammller> so you can switch to an other company to set the pw
14:17:07 <Ammller> or have you to login for it?
14:19:58 <dihedral> but it would be nice to be able to set company passwords for other companys from the admin console (ie with rcon)
14:32:51 <Ammller> whats difference of town growth between temperate and tropic?
14:34:13 <glx> in tropic towns need water
14:34:14 <Maedhros> in tropic you also need to supply food, and if the town square is in the desert, water to make them grow
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14:46:53 <zeth-> what does the numbers at the end game mean?
14:47:15 <zeth-> just "finished" a game versus a buddy and i beat him 915 to 900
14:47:23 <zeth-> but what is it calculated on?
14:47:46 <glx> there's a window explaining this value
14:48:38 <glx> Detailed performance rating
14:48:57 <zeth-> ok, thats kind of what i thought
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15:00:09 <Ammller> glx, Maedhros, does town growth in tropic depense from how much you deliver?
15:00:30 <Ammller> just at least one per month?
15:01:28 <Ammller> but town_growth_rate has influence?
15:02:03 <dihedral> towns should be able to shrink by themselves too
15:02:21 <dihedral> have a required amoutn of food/water for it to grow
15:02:33 <dihedral> if delivered amount < required amount : shrink
15:05:54 <Maedhros> to an extent, they do already
15:06:21 <Maedhros> buildings get demolished every now and again, and there's a certain chance they won't get rebuilt immediately
15:08:02 <dihedral> the immediately means they will eventually right?
15:09:08 <Maedhros> not if the town isn't growing ;)
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16:46:37 <Xintron> How do I tell my server to print welcomemessage on join?
16:52:39 <dihedral> file in scripts/on_server_connect.scr
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17:11:44 <dihedral> Xintron: either the file or make use of autopilot
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17:54:35 <dihedral> just felt like it ^^
17:54:58 <dihedral> and i know you never mind ^^
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18:25:14 <Noldo> and self inflicted bugs
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18:31:39 <Niki-> i have a slight question. how much ram does openttd eat?
18:33:00 <Rubidium> depends on the map size, number of vehicle, newgrfs used, complexity of the tracks and much more
18:34:40 <Niki-> so it would be hard with 12 mb?
18:36:08 <Sacro> Xintron: no, you can't go smaller than 1b
18:36:10 <Wolf01> maybe not with 63x64 maps and without grfs and with low vehicles number
18:36:42 <Xintron> I was reffering to "you can have 12mb ram memory"
18:36:49 <Niki-> i was just makin funny thoughts about a openttd version in dslinux ^^
18:36:51 <Xintron> Not saying you can run openttd
18:37:00 <Sacro> and i was stating that you can have no less than 1000mb of ram
18:37:06 <Wolf01> he was thinking about millibytes
18:37:07 <Sacro> its a physical impossibility
18:37:42 <Sacro> Niki-: well if you mean megabytes use MB
18:38:06 <Niki-> 4 MB nintendo ds ram + 8 MB ram extension ^^
18:38:17 <Prof_Frink> < orudge> Sacro is a silly!
18:38:19 <Niki-> how much did the dos version need back then? likely 64 mb or so?
18:38:52 <Sacro> Niki-: do you mean Mb or MB?
18:39:06 <Sacro> i think it did need around 64Mb
18:39:50 <Sacro> well the original game i think needed 64Mb
18:40:00 <Prof_Frink> megabyte or mebibyte?
18:40:01 <Niki-> and ottd with small maps and few vehicles?
18:40:10 <Wolf01> the windows version requires: 25MHz cpu, 4MB of ram, SVGA graphics card 640x480 capable of 256 colors :OOO, 4MB of hard disk space and a Sound Blaster Compatible sound card
18:40:12 <Niki-> stop that nonsense now lol
18:40:25 <Sacro> Wolf01: hmm, only 32Mb... impressive
18:40:27 <Niki-> i only dont have 640x480 ^^
18:40:41 <Niki-> i have a arm9, a arm7, 4 mb ram, and 8 mb ram extension
18:40:58 <Niki-> but openttd likely needs powers of ten of that stuff?
18:41:01 <Sacro> NOTHING ELSE IS CORRECT
18:41:19 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: that'd be fine
18:41:27 <Sacro> but you *cannot* have m{b,B}
18:41:40 <Wolf01> when he starts, the only way to stop is (it is a bot, for sure) is to talk about sex
18:41:47 <Prof_Frink> Although the latter tend to be more interested in aliens than computers
18:44:02 <orudge> Sacro: stop confusing people
18:44:11 <Sacro> orudge: he started it by confusing me
18:44:18 <orudge> while it may not be "right", referring to 16MB as "64Mb" just confuses people
18:44:26 <orudge> as NOBODY except you uses "millibits"
18:44:33 <orudge> 64Mb, yes, that's megabits
18:44:37 <orudge> but still, when talking about RAM
18:44:37 <Sacro> what, i did have 64Mb RAM
18:44:40 <orudge> it is interpreted as Megabytes
18:44:51 <orudge> being difficult just confuses everyone :p
18:44:59 <Sacro> orudge: no, it interprets as a millibit
18:45:14 <Sacro> how am I supposed to know when he didn't press shift
18:45:24 <orudge> nobody else interpreted it as millibit :p
18:45:48 <orudge> and I daresay that almost nobody else in the history of computing has measured things in millibits :p
18:46:16 <orudge> generally, people interpret things as the most appropriate unit for that thing
18:46:20 <Noldo> great there is still some tiletype with non-functional ClearTile
18:46:27 <orudge> eg, "16m", "16MB", "16mb" = 16 megabytes (of RAM)
18:46:30 <Sacro> fine, but then it'd be nice if he could distinguish between bits and bytes, if someone can't even do milli/Mega right, how am i to konw
18:46:35 <orudge> "2m", "2Mbps", "2 meg" = 2megabits per second
18:46:46 <orudge> but people don't measure RAM in bits
18:46:49 <orudge> so in this case, it's obvious
18:46:56 <orudge> if they were talking about an Internet connection, then perhaps it's not obvious
18:47:08 <orudge> while yes, it'd be nice if everyone could use proper units all the time
18:47:11 <orudge> it just doesn't happen :p
18:47:14 <orudge> so you have to interpret things accordingly
18:47:15 <Sacro> orudge: actually, handheld devices have been known to use bits
18:47:33 <orudge> TTD wasn't released for a handheld device :p
18:47:47 <Sacro> no, but he mentioned arm7 and arm9
18:47:54 <Sacro> and they are handheld processors
18:48:44 <orudge> well, in this case, I believe it was quite obvious that he wasn't meaning "bits"
18:49:00 <orudge> I'm not an expert on handheld devices, but generally, they tend to use bytes
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18:51:25 <Sacro> orudge: i think he's talking about a nintendo ds, and handheld consoles do tend to use bits
18:52:13 <orudge> my statement still stands in general :P
18:52:25 <Sacro> but it can cause confusion
18:52:46 <orudge> and when whoever started this conversation did so, there was no mention of handheld devices ;)
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19:11:59 <dihedral> just for the fun of it
19:16:34 <dihedral> hylje: what you writing it in?
19:21:29 <dihedral> why is the form renderd twice?
19:22:02 <dihedral> hylje: the form to register a new patch is rendered twice..?
19:23:52 <dihedral> i got developer permission? ^^
19:24:10 <hylje> i'm not arsed enough to go grant it per-case basis
19:25:21 <hylje> heh at least using the lower form works as intended
19:25:59 <TrueBrain> [16:05] <dihedral> but iirc maintained by truelight -right? <- not really, DV wrote the page, I make sure it is operational. I do not really feel like fiddling with the current code to create your idea, although it is nice. I suggest to check out the source and do it yourself :)
19:27:13 <hylje> the patch adding form is un-duplicated now
19:28:56 <dihedral> TrueBrain: as it is only a relevant to the webpage and not to gathering the servers data ^^
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19:30:03 <dihedral> i always feel better after
19:33:43 <hylje> i dont feel like putting up some source control for it
19:33:52 <hylje> yet i must do that to maintain my sanity
19:34:05 <dihedral> i have svn running already
19:37:36 <Noldo> Is there any point in filing bugreports about the default ai?
19:41:12 <dihedral> hylje: got one for ya
19:41:44 <dihedral> can you give me an email address so i can send you the details?
19:42:07 <hylje> you can use a private message, given oftc is not anal about it. i'm registered
19:42:17 <hylje> but if you insist, i can provide one
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19:51:06 <Noldo> what is the result of GB(7,4,4) ?
19:52:01 <Noldo> it's a macro used in openttd
19:52:24 <dihedral> i thought macros were not very welcome
19:53:14 <Nickman> anyone here knows how I can acces functions from an external file in the squirrel implementation of NoAI branch?
20:00:14 * dihedral would love to join Brianetta for a cup of tea and cookies
20:03:40 <dihedral> Brianetta: have you managed to find out why some games quit under autopilot?
20:04:11 <Brianetta> dihedral: Do they still quit?
20:04:42 <dihedral> i only remember you mentioning something along those lines ^^
20:05:46 <Noldo> Should have removed that constructor in the firstplace
20:07:08 <Noldo> it's the source of all evil
20:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Noldo> what is the result of GB(7,4,4) ? <- (7>>4)&0xF
20:11:02 <Noldo> unfortunately that result should lead to ClearTile_Clear be called and that one I've checked and it cannot be the trouble makes
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20:55:06 <aneb> um, with 7 tiles assigned to a station, how much cargo is required to fit the 7 tiles. minus the train engine/
20:57:03 <Rubidium> depends on the cargo
21:00:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r10835 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix [FS#998] (r10399): don't try to minimise or restore the window when closing openttd
21:00:11 <Rubidium> then it's 390 tonnes (i.e. the train can carry 390 tonnes of coal)
21:09:57 <aneb> a person got into my company and literally deleted my coal business. lesson: practice what you preach
21:11:37 <hylje> opr is nearly up to snuff to truelight's draft
21:12:52 <hylje> just comment categorizing
21:15:24 <hylje> it should be quite usable already, too
21:16:30 <Rubidium> hmm, you need to do some text "trimming" in the patch list
21:17:33 <Rubidium> especially when you're logged in
21:18:02 <Rubidium> booh, I can't get developer access :(
21:18:13 <Rubidium> s/access/permissions/
21:18:32 <hylje> that's a recent regression
21:18:44 <hylje> i'm packing the URLs rather tightly..
21:20:45 <Rubidium> hmm, you have to copy-paste the diff from a text editor instead of just uploading a file? That's might get tricky
21:21:04 <hylje> yes, that's on the to-do list
21:21:28 <hylje> theres some research involved to do it elegantly so i'm delaying it
21:22:20 <hylje> i'll also add a download link while i'm at it
21:31:50 <hylje> permission fetching works now
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22:30:12 <c20h25n3o> hi all, does anybody speak russian?
22:33:16 <c20h25n3o> ok, so tell me please: i want to see the function, calculating "cargo payment" - in which of source files i need to seek it
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22:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> no patience these guys...
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