IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-07-21
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00:07:16 <McTw1st> would anyone care to help me out with how to install OpenTTD?
00:07:36 <McTw1st> iv run the installer for windows but when i try to start the game its not starting at all
00:09:09 <McTw1st> something about my sample.cat file is corrupted or missing
00:12:04 <McTw1st> installed and reinstalled same thing again
00:13:10 <glx> you need to get some files from your ttd cd
00:21:57 <Thardas> well.. you can *caughs* google ttd *lol*
00:22:37 <McTw1st> well i get a new error now :S
00:23:15 <Thardas> why should it open a com port? *lol*
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00:28:57 <McTw1st^A> that crashed my pc :P
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00:32:59 <McTw1st> can anyone help me out here send me a pm plz
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00:42:02 <Nickman> how do I compile a debug version of openTTD on Linux?
00:42:59 <Nickman> I searched all over the wiki, but can't find it
00:43:03 <glx> ./configure --enable-debug
00:43:23 <glx> ./configure --help should have tell it :)
01:03:53 <balli> some mac people around?
01:04:31 <balli> i just got a mac and i'm having trouble setting up openttd from the dmg file =S
01:04:44 <Sacro> balli: what's the problem?
01:04:47 <balli> i double click on it and nothing happens
01:05:06 <balli> the icon zooms in and fades out, but then nothing happens
01:06:27 <Sacro> balli: have you installed the files from the original game?
01:07:13 <balli> i have them on my desktop
01:07:23 <balli> where should i put them?
01:09:58 <Sacro> is it not in the readme?
01:10:48 <Sacro> balli: yes... read the README
01:10:51 <McTw1st> did u take the mac binarys and not linux or windos?
01:14:58 <Sacro> McTw1st: he hasn't read the readme
01:15:04 <Sacro> and when he does... he'll figure it
01:17:27 <balli> the one included in the dmg?
01:17:49 <balli> I have managed to open the dmg, how do I install?
01:18:25 <balli> found it, thanks for your help
01:21:41 <Sacro> post it on the bugtracker
01:21:55 <Phazorx> i dont even know how to name it :)_
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01:23:10 <McTw1st> :( game crashed *cries a river and goes to bed*
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07:39:55 <Desolator> I want to make a back-up of the old revision, provided that my updater is in the folder in Open's folder
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07:40:54 <Desolator> how should I do it? copy everything except the updater's folder to the temp folder and zip those up, or make a rather complex function to ecumerate each file & folder, add them except the updater's
07:42:05 <Wolf01> i'm wondering if richk67 after newgrfairports and newports will want to work at eyecandy objects, i think the step is little to be able to place usefull things with my and Frostregen patch instead of eyecandy only, like houses and why not, monuments which accept tourists when newindustries is finished :)
07:43:47 <Desolator> wolf, got a minute?
07:45:26 <Wolf01> uhm, i'm not sure of what you need
07:46:55 <Desolator> I want to back-up the whole openttd build, with all it's folders and files, which is one level up of my updater (basically the updater sits in a folder in open's folder)
07:47:11 <Wolf01> i had the same problem with one of my friends which wanted to uninstall his own software without deleting the user conf files and custom directories created with the time
07:47:52 <Desolator> so of course I want to skip the updater's folder. I have two choices: copy everything to the temp folder, delete the updater folder and zip what's left, or make a complex function that will skip it and save space and time
07:48:14 <Wolf01> can you use relative paths?
07:48:37 <Desolator> yes, to some extent, but I can simulate them anyway
07:48:41 <Wolf01> or ../openttd to make linux user happy
07:49:11 <Desolator> I tried like that and the compiler didn't convert them to abosule paths lol ('tis for windows)
07:49:18 <Wolf01> the problem is that you don't know how the ottd folder is called?
07:49:28 <Desolator> I know the absolute path to it
07:49:40 <Desolator> so yeah, I know how it's called
07:50:46 <Wolf01> you can't just skip the folder named "updater" when copying?
07:51:27 <Desolator> the problem is which way should I go? enumerate all fodlers and files in the open's fodler, ad them all to the list except the updater folder, or simply copy the whole thing to temp, delete the updater and zip the rest up
07:51:53 <Noldo> is this just a onetime thing?
07:52:23 <Desolator> it'll be activated with the "-b" command-line swtich
07:52:52 <Desolator> and done before the downloaded zip file containing the lastest revision is extracted
07:53:09 <Desolator> Noldo: what do you mean?
07:54:34 <Desolator> I still don't understand, but the command is command-line, eg: C:\My Very Long and Spacy Folder Name\OpenTTD Nightly\Updater zomg updater\OpenTTD Updater.exe -b
07:55:20 <Noldo> why is the updater inside the openttd folder in the firstplace?
07:55:38 <Desolator> because the user might want so...
07:55:57 <Desolator> nothing prevents him from not installing there
08:01:13 <Wolf01> i think he can use a command line zip tool and ADD the files to an archive after a directory listing and skipping the folder named updater... at least, i'll have done so... or i'll have done by moving the updater folder outside the ottd folder
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12:40:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10645 /trunk/src/misc/countedobj.cpp: -Fix (r10644): file contents seems to be 3x there
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13:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10646 /trunk/src/ (misc/autoptr.hpp station_cmd.cpp):
13:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: AutoPtrT<>::Release() renamed to Detach()
13:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -better describes what it does
13:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -was inconsistent with CCountedPtr<>::Release()
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14:01:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10647 /trunk/src/misc/autoptr.hpp: -Fix: AutoPtrT::operator =() didn't delete old object
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14:10:03 <Rippsy> deso, you used scripts?
14:10:56 <Rippsy> /scripts/on_server_connect im using at mo, im just wondering what other things i can use to trigger a script, im busy (slowlY) trawling src code for them
14:11:29 <Rippsy> Thats the only one I can find in the network server
14:11:49 <Rippsy> im wondering which variables i can use in it :)
14:15:35 <Desolator> when I'll get my new PC I'll start an OpenTTD Nightly server
14:15:48 <Rippsy> why not just use mine :P
14:15:48 <Desolator> and I'll ask for your script if it's finished by then (about 2-3 weeks)
14:16:03 <Rippsy> At mo its just global on join spam
14:16:16 <Gekko[PDA]> Desolator: too much Red Alert 2 for you :P
14:16:23 <Desolator> when I get home in 2 days I'll try to help you
14:16:37 <McTw1st> Desolator buy mine ;)
14:16:45 <Rippsy> I want to make it save the game when a client joins a current company, or makes a new one (with a UID so its identifiable) and instead of spamming the whole server on join, just wisper that client
14:16:46 <Desolator> Gekko[PDA]: neah, haven't played RA2 nor Y's R for about 2 months
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14:16:55 <Desolator> I completed both of them and i'm bored
14:17:10 <Gekko[PDA]> I was playing Mooman's mod today
14:17:32 <McTw1st> anyone know any good MMORPG games out there?
14:17:58 <Desolator> but has crappy graphics
14:18:33 <Desolator> of course it isn't, you didn't make it nor bought it :P
14:18:58 <Desolator> i'd tell you if you get that damn lol outta here
14:19:16 <McTw1st> i know :P its the damn script
14:20:41 <McTw1st> just becous u want a hot swedish blonde ;)
14:21:11 <Gekko[PDA]> i want a smart german brunette.
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14:26:37 <McTw1st> im thinking of installig linux on my hdd is there anyway to keep my other drivers intact and with everything on it and still beeing able to access it from linux?
14:27:48 <Desolator> as long as you got a partition to waste, yes
14:28:05 <Prof_Frink> McTw1st: Yes, most modern distros will allow you to shrink other partitions and boot from either
14:28:26 <McTw1st> i got 4hdd's and im just gonna "toast" the windows partition
14:31:07 <McTw1st> maybe i shuld install *cough* os x *cough* allthou that would be illegal :P
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14:36:19 <Desolator> ask for a cd and wait
14:36:23 <Desolator> or burn it yourself
14:36:42 <McTw1st> im thinking of openSUSE
14:37:17 <Desolator> I don't have good experiences with suse
14:37:34 <Desolator> especially when it fried my old hdd
14:38:33 <McTw1st> then my question comes how old :P
14:39:25 <McTw1st> becous im running 2x250gb westerndigital chaviar drives 2years old and still fighting :)
14:39:52 <McTw1st> des are you sure the hdd just didnt die on u ?
14:40:12 <Desolator> never had problems on running win xp
14:40:29 <McTw1st> ok =) thos i have bad experience with western i got realy good exp with :)
14:40:38 <McTw1st> no u dont notice any problems untill they die
14:40:50 <Desolator> i installed suse and went on to surf the web, but the hd light was on solid and the hdd was making the usual read/write noise
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14:41:02 <McTw1st> topping out my dl speed :)
14:41:15 <Desolator> so I guess suse was doing something really hdd-intesive which fired the poor grandpa
14:41:33 <Desolator> it simply froze the system
14:41:37 <McTw1st> im just not satisfied with xp lately
14:41:51 <McTw1st> wanna try something new
14:42:05 <McTw1st> perhaps i shuld just dual boot
14:42:17 <McTw1st> put linux on one of my 20gb partitions :)
14:42:23 * Prof_Frink still technically dual boots
14:42:25 <Desolator> lost 4 months recoding everything I had there (since on my web site I only had the stable version on my program, instead of the ready-to-hit-beta version
14:42:43 <Prof_Frink> I just haven't used windows since...
14:42:46 <Desolator> mc: that's what I did
14:42:58 <McTw1st> des thats why u shuld have 1 hdd to have windows on and 1 to store everything on
14:43:17 <McTw1st> so u got a backup drive
14:43:34 <Prof_Frink> Well, I'm fairly sure it'd try to apply daylight savings time if I tried to use it.
14:43:47 <Desolator> well I had one hdd partition, but the partition didn't helped much, except that all I could recover was the boot.ini file
14:44:05 <McTw1st> i still have 2x250gb westerns and 1 40gb hdd for windows (older than the street outside)
14:44:36 <McTw1st> dont even know the name of it
14:44:44 <McTw1st> god i miss my old 4gb bigfoot :P
14:44:54 <McTw1st> impossoble to kill that drive :P
14:45:38 <Desolator> this pc i'm on has a hdd older than me
14:45:57 <McTw1st> oh sorry i gotta kill this script
14:46:04 <Desolator> it wasm ade in '92. i was born in '93
14:46:40 <McTw1st> god i feel old when you say that
14:47:40 <McTw1st> its for he he and ha ha,,,, how stupid is that
14:47:51 <Desolator> also check for rolf & lmao ;)
14:47:57 <McTw1st> lets not forget l o l
14:47:59 <McTw1st> {L}aughing {M}y {A}ss {O}ff
14:48:02 <McTw1st> {R}olling {O}n {T}he {F}loor {L}aughing
14:48:38 <McTw1st> outsmarted you u dirty little bitch script
14:49:34 <Prof_Frink> You could always just unload the script
14:49:44 <McTw1st> easyer said than done man
14:50:01 <Progman> eeuh, wrong window...
14:50:07 <Prof_Frink> /script unload scriptname.pl
14:50:32 <McTw1st> thats the problem... i dont know the script name l o l
14:51:00 <McTw1st> il just jump in the script editor and delete everything
14:51:17 <McTw1st> probobly will kill irc but oh well
14:51:39 <McTw1st> {R}olling {O}n {T}he {F}loor {L}aughing
14:52:24 <Prof_Frink> Your client is le broken.
14:53:22 <McTw1st> [16:53] -> [Desolator] VERSION I am using my dick
14:53:52 <Desolator> ur client is really broken
14:54:00 <Desolator> just wanted to say that
14:55:02 <Desolator> I lick on "info" in the user info window, I see mirc v 6.06 or something for half a sec the old very nice language phrase
14:55:17 * McTw1st has activate the Cool 8-Ball!! Type !8ball <YourQuestion> to find out the answer!! ( Only yes/no form questions!) -=[ ]=-
14:55:42 <McTw1st> !8ball are we allowd to do this?
14:55:47 <McTw1st> aw :( dun work for me
14:55:51 <McTw1st> So... Desolator wants to know the answer to their question. Well here it is:
14:56:04 <Desolator> their? i'm two persons?!
14:56:23 <Prof_Frink> -!- McTw1st was kicked from #openttd [No.]
14:56:36 * McTw1st has deactivate the Cool 8-Ball!! Some other time dudes!! -=[ ]=-
14:57:42 * McTw1st stands in a corner in shame while openSUSE will be downloaded in 1.4mb/s ^_^
14:57:48 <Rippsy> peter1138 can you put variables in the scripts file, i've been trying but can't figure out which or how
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15:14:35 <McTw1st> zZzZz slow download come on its only 4gig
15:19:57 <Prof_Frink> McTw1st: See, (K)Ubuntu is one CD
15:24:41 <McTw1st> my max speed is 15-20Mb/s
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15:34:21 <peter1138> safari ignores my dpi setting, heh
15:34:37 <peter1138> not to mention the stupid 'brushed metal' look
15:36:35 <McTw1st> iv been thinking of getting a mac just dont know what
15:36:38 <hylje> burning the ubuntu cd took longer than downloading it
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15:37:10 <McTw1st> im gonna burn openSUSE dvd >,< in about 20-30min
15:37:42 <hylje> expect to do stuff the mac way
15:38:00 <hylje> or bail out and install alternatie oses
15:39:02 <Guest821> or just throw the mac away
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15:41:09 <hylje> i wish unix didnt fragment standard wise so much
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15:42:35 <Prof_Frink> hylje: But if there weren't so many standards, how would we be sure of conforming to at least one of them?
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15:43:08 <hylje> you got a point there, but i dont have any idea wut
15:51:07 <Caemyr> internet is for porn:P
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15:59:14 <McTw1st> mac im thinking of is a macbook pro
15:59:32 <McTw1st> allthou i can just get a normal laptop for the same price ^^
15:59:48 <McTw1st> problems with mac's are that their so damn expencive
16:04:19 <McTw1st> ln- they are, specialy new ones
16:04:22 <hylje> xpensive yes worth the price yes
16:04:39 <ln-> of course there are expensive models too (such as macbook pro), but can you claim that e.g. macbook or mac mini is "damn expensive"?
16:05:03 <McTw1st> well i want something with a umph
16:05:27 <ln-> McTw1st: do you mean "new ones" as the opposite of "second hand" or "models that are still sold and have been around for a while"?
16:05:57 <McTw1st> brand new ones since there aint allot of used ones in sweden beeing sold
16:06:37 <ln-> McTw1st: what makes the new ones especially expensive then?
16:07:18 <ln-> since i'm under the impression that apple basically sets some price for a product when it comes to the market, and usually doesn't alter it until the introduction of the next revision...
16:07:22 <McTw1st> becous they are going for 20k + here
16:08:18 <ln-> and that would mean the brand new macs have the best power/price ratio just after the introduction of a new model or revision.
16:08:23 <hylje> 2k euro is ok for a pro level lappy
16:08:43 <McTw1st> for 2k euro i can get double the power in a pc >.<
16:10:09 <ln-> McTw1st: url to a 2k-euro laptop that has double power compared to a macbook pro?
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16:10:58 <Phazorx> can rcon pass be set from server console?
16:11:06 <McTw1st> by pc i mean desktop (build ur own)
16:11:08 <peter1138> 2k-euro will get you a pretty decent desktop pc
16:12:09 <ln-> i see. but that's true for all laptop-desktop comparisons, not only for apple laptop - pc desktop.
16:12:35 <McTw1st> fact is that laptops allways has been the underdog compared to desktops
16:13:08 <McTw1st> whats the worst mac out there? top of the line that is
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16:16:25 <impulze> nightstalker: huhu ;)
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16:17:13 <ln-> sorry, not powermac but mac pro.
16:17:17 <impulze> anyone able to explain to me how to build those massive junctions and station configurations (e.g. from owen's site) in a map where space is limited?
16:17:43 <impulze> when i've build such a station configuration it's just 3 blocks to the next station configuration etc.
16:17:55 <impulze> it doesn't look very functional to me :)
16:19:15 <McTw1st> ln- wich one of thees 2 would u pick
16:20:32 <McTw1st> for a gamers view this is
16:20:41 <McTw1st> mac not much games pc much games
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16:26:55 <impulze> heh anyone got any screenshots related to my "problem"? :)
16:27:04 <impulze> any example would be fine
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16:33:11 <Rippsy> I found a good one, subsidies that end due to an industy closing display the news paper saying "Offer of subsidy expired: Cargo from Industry1 to will now not attract a subsidy." as there is no industry2
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16:50:17 <Rippsy> that was random peter :)
17:16:12 <ln-> peter1138: does the pilot of a plane sit on the left or right in britain?
17:16:37 <Sacro> co pilot sits on the right
17:18:02 <ln-> so no trace of left-side traffic in the cockpit.
17:19:01 <Sacro> i don't think it matters with aircraft
17:19:08 <Sacro> though i think shipping lanes are done on the left
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17:45:07 <Zuu> ~2 months since I last looked on my work on configurable keys... and I have not even left a single TODO or anything.. heh ... only thing i got is a IRC log to go on .. :)
18:05:49 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Can someone help me with some Grf NFO coding??
18:35:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10648 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt:
18:35:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-21 20:34:31
18:35:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 44 fixed, 143 changed by knovak (187)
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19:12:03 <rav> alright, who wants to read a boring, ongoing, long, politicaly engaged blog post I wrote?
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19:19:50 <TrueBrain> rav: so, you want this channel to become even more quiet with that statement, or what? :)
19:20:03 <rav> can it become more quiet?
19:20:14 <rav> I mean, the only one who said anything in an hour was a bot
19:20:20 <ln-> it could without some "rav" babbling all the time
19:20:39 <rav> I'll just shut up and go hide in a corner
19:21:21 <rav> I have quite a few I can choose from
19:21:27 <TrueBrain> just in case I am bored and want to kick you around
19:23:35 <rav> if you are bored enough to get here and then kick me around
19:27:50 <TrueBrain> I once modified piespy to work correctly with #openttd, and run it hourly
19:27:52 <TrueBrain> gave nice results :)
19:28:04 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i've had it running for a while, but it's been very quiet in here
19:28:27 <TrueBrain> PieSpy fucks up really fast
19:28:34 <TrueBrain> so it took me a while to fix some bugs and get a nicer picture
19:28:39 <TrueBrain> I also rewrote it to PHP I believe
19:29:09 <TrueBrain> I remember me doing a rm -rf last time over some dir named that, let me check
19:30:33 <TrueBrain> yeah, clearly my handwriting :)
19:30:51 <TrueBrain> hehe, 645 lines long :p
19:30:57 <TrueBrain> I rewrote a java port of PieSpy to C :p
19:31:02 <TrueBrain> But it was buggy, I believe
19:31:46 * TrueBrain sends Sacro the secret SVN url of the repos
19:31:51 <TrueBrain> last changed: 2006-09
19:41:32 <TrueBrain> rav: now you are quiet
19:49:16 <Rippsy> peter1138 how come you kept joining/dropping off my server earlier?
19:49:27 <peter1138> no idea, probably dodgy wireless
19:49:48 <Rippsy> Its annoying I want a server config which makes it hard to make money, but not impossible to start up
19:49:55 <Rippsy> finding it hard to get right :-/
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20:10:43 <TrueBrain> rav: close, the correct reply is: pompiedom
20:11:36 <Sacro> TrueBrain: from behind?
20:12:49 <TrueBrain> and now, I need a shower
20:12:52 <TrueBrain> I cut some trees today
20:12:55 <TrueBrain> makes you really dirty
20:13:08 <TrueBrain> (now Sacro, is a perfect moment for such comments)
20:13:30 <Sacro> TrueBrain: trimming your bush eh?
20:13:39 <TrueBrain> took you long enough
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21:35:19 <Phazorx> hmm... is there an a way to make server pause when client DLs the map
21:35:41 <Phazorx> i got 512up and while klient DLs - too much happens and clients can not sycn up
21:35:53 <TrueBrain> pause_on_join, maybe? :p
21:36:22 <TrueBrain> but any client should be able to catch up after that, if the map is not 2kx2k :p
21:37:10 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: aint working like that
21:37:22 <Phazorx> takes about 8-12 sek for client to get
21:37:36 <Phazorx> Client #104 is dropped because it took longer than 500 ticks for him to join
21:37:36 <Phazorx> *** Konowl` has left the game (connection lost)
21:37:38 <peter1138> hmm, does pause_on_join not pause before the map is downloaded?
21:37:47 <TrueBrain> peter1138: no, would pause the game a bit too much :)
21:37:59 <TrueBrain> easy way to DDoS a game: join and download on a REALLY slow rate :p
21:38:22 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: configurable timer for that would fix the issue
21:38:22 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: some clients are just too slow to keep up with the game
21:38:32 <Phazorx> well we have controlled environemtn
21:38:33 <TrueBrain> for example, a 2kx2k map can't be played on all clients
21:38:42 <Phazorx> that's coopers who i am taking about
21:38:50 <TrueBrain> so it has a timer, it gives 500 ticks to join, which is a lot
21:38:53 <glx> try increase max_join_time
21:39:31 <Phazorx> how do i see current value
21:39:58 <glx> max_join_time without param outputs the current value
21:41:15 <Phazorx> so.. .serevr caches for that many ticks all actions and then syncs the client?
21:41:39 <TrueBrain> it starts caching them when a client starts to download the map
21:41:53 <TrueBrain> after the client says he is done with map download, it gets 500 ticks to process the commands don in that time
21:42:01 <TrueBrain> hoping you have pause_on_join
21:42:03 <Phazorx> well yes i meant once DL starts that is a desync point
21:42:05 <TrueBrain> that isn't too much
21:42:10 <TrueBrain> but he gets 500 ticks to do just that
21:42:26 <TrueBrain> so, you say12 seconds
21:42:36 <TrueBrain> @calc 12 * 1000 / 33
21:42:36 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 363.636363636
21:42:45 <TrueBrain> 363 ticks to handle in 500 ticks
21:42:52 <TrueBrain> if a client can't handle that, the CPU is too slow to join the server at all
21:43:23 <glx> does join_time includes download ?
21:43:30 <TrueBrain> glx: it shouldn't :)
21:43:43 <TrueBrain> (and as far as I know, it doesn't)
21:44:29 <Phazorx> Client #106 is dropped because it took longer than 1000 ticks for him to join
21:44:29 <Phazorx> *** Konowl` has left the game (connection lost)
21:44:39 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: give him 2000000 ticks, he will be kicked
21:44:43 <TrueBrain> if not directly, then in time
21:44:52 <TrueBrain> the client is too slow to keep up with the map realtime
21:46:01 <Zuu> Oh.. something did happen in the channel.. :)
21:46:19 <Phazorx> server got load of ~40%
21:46:59 * Zuu is making research in src/settings.cpp and some other intresting files ...
21:47:00 <glx> then he should be able to join unless his cpu is already overloaded
21:48:57 <Phazorx> hmm... workd 3rd time
21:49:09 <Phazorx> he connected via console
21:49:25 <Phazorx> what was the command to reset company?
21:49:53 <glx> list_cmds gives you the list
21:50:58 * Zuu likes network and misc settings best. :)
21:51:34 <Zuu> win32 settings are also nice. :p
21:52:37 <Phazorx> can i use max_join_time = 1000 in .cfg?
21:53:53 <Rippsy> I find pause on join works better in most cases
21:54:00 <Rippsy> but that can get annoying
21:54:10 <Phazorx> pause on join is enabled
21:54:19 <Rippsy> And it still drops him!?
21:54:23 <Phazorx> too many players and vehicles
21:54:29 <Rippsy> jeebus, find out when he last fed his hamster powered CPU :)
21:54:52 <Phazorx> and looking at server usage - any cpu should be fine
21:54:55 <Rippsy> is it fast and encoding, while playing, copying burning and watching a film and loading ttd?
21:55:00 <TrueBrain> and see how many ticks he is behind now :p
21:55:04 <Phazorx> i have 3 year old tbred @2200
21:56:19 <Phazorx> on par with another player for lowest
21:58:03 <Rippsy> is this on a public server
21:59:26 <Phazorx> it is public server for #openttdcoop
21:59:47 <Phazorx> but ity is not advertized and you can not get there essentialy unless you are in #openttdcoop channel
22:00:04 <Phazorx> Client #109 name: '0sai' status: 'loading map' frame-lag: 949
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22:00:47 <TrueBrain> get a bigger upload :p
22:01:44 <Phazorx> a feature for company for 99% of money
22:02:22 <Phazorx> this map was 20k blank and 350k with trees
22:02:38 <Phazorx> i dont expect ratio to be same but trees definately hurt compression
22:03:03 <Rippsy> can't we just have a setting where they don't grow?
22:03:30 <Phazorx> greenpeace is against that, no
22:04:24 <Rippsy> every two decades a tidal wave which is just strong enough to uproot tree's but not dmg track? ;)
22:05:03 <Zuu> Hmm... the names used for GameOptions variables in .cfg are not defined in source but the names used for patches are.. *Zuu is comfused* Are *they* relying on order???
22:16:02 <Zuu> Not relly suprised.. though
22:18:48 <Zuu> Quite a standard behavior in OpenTTD code :)
22:19:24 <peter1138> what are you talking about?
22:20:56 <Zuu> I am trying to understand how stuff are stored to the .cfg file.. I found it intresting that patch-strings used in the cfg-file are defined in code but same strings for game options seam to not be in the code.
22:21:31 <Zuu> try grep -r \"autorenew_money\" src
22:21:44 <Zuu> and compare with grep -r \"road_side\" src
22:22:21 <Zuu> The first one returns a hit in settings_gui.cpp while the second one do not return any result.
22:23:54 <Zuu> Not relly important... I still got more to study before I get to a point where I gasp it enougth to do something....
22:24:51 <glx> SetDParam(3, STR_02E9_DRIVE_ON_LEFT + _opt_ptr->road_side); <-- what's wrong for you in this?
22:25:45 <Zuu> is STR_02E9_DRIVE_ON_LEFT always equal to "road_side" ?
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22:27:36 <Zuu> And strings are different depending on users language.. Or is there special strings that are not changed depending on user language?
22:28:03 <glx> StringID don't change, only the text displayed
22:29:35 <Zuu> I think we are talking about different things... I was looking for where the string "road_side" is defined so that it knows how to interpret openttd.cfg. But thanks for your help anyway :)
22:30:42 <Zuu> as in that "autorenew_money" is defined on line 728 in settings_gui.cpp
22:31:25 <glx> ha you mean "left|right" ?
22:32:14 <Zuu> no the variable name used in the cfg-file.
22:32:52 <Zuu> In openttd.cfg: "road_side = right"
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22:33:45 <Zuu> For patches those strings are defined in settings_gui.cpp but I couldn't find the ones for game options :s
22:34:45 <glx> it's done in make_oneofmany() in settings.cpp
22:35:05 <glx> using "left|right" and the value of road_side
22:35:36 <Rippsy> How come when using the replace vehical feature, you can't replace some trains into others -- eg: Desert, 1979 - trying to replace a steam enginer with a diesel and its grayed out (no new grfs installed)
22:36:41 <Zuu> glx: Okay, i understand in principial now. Though I have not yet tried to fully understand the oneofmany / manyofmany etc. sutff.
22:56:55 <rav> sweet17: You look like the Farm Fresh guy lol
22:56:55 <rav> bloodninja: Well, you look like you ATE the Farm Fresh guy.
22:56:55 <rav> bloodninja: Not to mention all the groceries.
22:56:55 <rav> sweet17: Go fuck yourself
22:56:56 <rav> bloodninja: I was going to until I saw that picture
22:59:07 <glx> hey it's on wikipedia IIRC
23:00:41 <rav> I've been listening to Depeche Mode all day
23:00:47 <Rippsy> bloodninja is a hero lol
23:00:48 <rav> and now my head feels squishy
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23:39:30 <Rippsy> is there anyway to alter the openttd.cfg file while running a dedicated server with out restarting it? (eg I want to change the economy type from stable to fluctuating)
23:40:11 <glx> it's a diff setting and they are not modifiable from console
23:41:04 <Rippsy> are those kept in saves?
23:41:08 <Rippsy> because i just tried to alter it
23:41:16 <Rippsy> but its gone back to the same
23:41:26 <Rippsy> so if i loaded the save in a single player, altered it
23:42:18 <glx> but be sure the game is paused :)
23:42:28 <glx> because AI can do bad things
23:42:49 <Rippsy> Sounds like a plan, oo how about if I loaded it as a multiplayer save but not dedicated?
23:43:22 <Rippsy> Less chance of evil ai abuse :)
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