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00:36:33  <digitalfox> Just tried latest nightly and is downloading OpenGFX1 by default

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05:03:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 opened pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172

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05:45:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#issuecomment-6760067641

05:51:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#issuecomment-6760151535

05:54:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#issuecomment-6760196568

06:06:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 updated pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172

06:30:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] J-PIE-314 opened pull request #417: Change: Link to follow-up post https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/417

06:33:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam and GOG.com from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#pullrequestreview-5837705394

06:42:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam and GOG.com from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#pullrequestreview-5837789641

06:52:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam and GOG.com from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#pullrequestreview-5837866224

07:07:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 updated pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam and GOG.com from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172

07:11:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 commented on pull request #16169: Doc: Fix spacing issues. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16169#issuecomment-6761366606

07:22:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #16154: Codechange: Move strings with Ctrl and Shift to control codes https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16154#pullrequestreview-5838121764

07:24:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #16154: Codechange: Move strings with Ctrl and Shift to control codes https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16154

07:34:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eirc closed pull request #15599: Feature: Move and resize windows with modifier keys. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15599

07:44:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15599: Feature: Move and resize windows with modifier keys. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15599#issuecomment-6761901353

07:48:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam and GOG.com from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#issuecomment-6761975706

08:00:31  <peter1138> Remember when buying a return ticket was cheaper than two singles...

08:01:55  <_zephyris> Yeah... What happened there?

08:02:07  <_zephyris> Last time I looked it was a 20p difference on a £34 ticket...

08:04:40  <peter1138> I've got to go 4 stops. £7.20 single or £14.40 return.

08:07:35  <peter1138> Oh, it's more than that as I need to go "on-peak".

08:09:12  <peter1138> 70p/mile :o

08:14:06  <peter1138> If it was a bit nicer and not forecast to rain later, I'd've considered cycling.

08:19:39  <LordAro> good use of "I'd've"

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09:18:22  <peter1138[d]> See it say it sort it

09:18:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eirc commented on pull request #15599: Feature: Move and resize windows with modifier keys. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15599#issuecomment-6763617126

09:18:33  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1569642409170706576/PXL_20261110_091641518.jpg?ex=6af432e8&is=6af2e168&hm=c47c531b0fb20ddb3824e6683da3a166315770494ad6bea157c60c3d1b846bb9&

09:18:33  <peter1138[d]> Yummy

09:21:59  <LordAro> choo choo

09:26:15  <peter1138[d]> Dirty diesel, class 168

09:32:08  <peter1138[d]> Passed a class 66 and a class 60 in the sidings. Shunting patch when...

09:41:45  <andythenorth> just buy 500 million claude tokens, then it's done

09:42:30  <andythenorth> nobody knows what 'shunting' is but maybe I can ask the robot that

09:42:39  <andythenorth> I don't have claude though

09:42:47  <peter1138[d]> Oh not a 168, it was a 165

09:42:52  * LordAro slaps andythenorth with a large trout

09:44:50  <andythenorth> I do have GPT

09:44:54  <andythenorth> I told it "make no mistakes" obvs

09:45:04  <andythenorth> when it's done I'm going to type "did you make any mistakes"

09:45:15  <andythenorth> maybe there's a browser extension that can automate that

09:47:24  <peter1138[d]> Maybe your generative pre-trained transformer can do that for you

09:49:37  <peter1138[d]> At the very edge of the tube network

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09:51:41  <jfkuayue> Chiltern?

09:57:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] zephyris opened pull request #268: Fix: Refined 1x Zoom Tree Trunks https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/pull/268

10:01:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] LordAro approved pull request #268: Fix: Refined 1x Zoom Tree Trunks https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/pull/268#pullrequestreview-5839976228

10:02:13  <andythenorth> my robot has made a plan for shunting, but I don't know if I should link it here

10:05:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] zephyris merged pull request #268: Fix: Refined 1x Zoom Tree Trunks https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/pull/268

10:05:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] zephyris closed issue #193: Tree trunks look like they have a horizontal line across them (1x zoom) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/issues/193

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10:38:55  <merni> andythenorth: Shunting is whatever every individual player wants it to be obviously

10:39:31  <merni> What do you mean simulating putting carriages through a bogie change shed to change their gauge wasn't envisaged as a feature?

10:39:37  <andythenorth> I just told it 'make no mistakes'

10:39:43  <andythenorth> probably fine

10:41:25  <andythenorth> it needs to do sawbys obvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SClj06nOs

10:41:33  <andythenorth> and it needs to be able to double or triple the hill

10:41:36  <merni> slip coaches too

10:42:11  <andythenorth> helpers and bankers are mandatory, but it's not realistic if they aren't added as mid-train helpers when the coupler tensile force would otherwise be exceeded

10:43:00  <andythenorth> I did forget to tell it about regearing though, which is a problem, because differently geared locomotives can cause operational and maintenance problems

11:10:38  <peter1138[d]> andythenorth: Id rather you didn't :)

11:12:41  <andythenorth> ok

11:20:35  <_zephyris> What are the actual design aims for shunting? I can see there's a bunch of complexity which can be piled on top of it... But what's the minimal core requirement?

11:24:14  <Izzybee> [justin roczniak voice] But first we must ask, what, is shunting?

11:38:57  <andythenorth> no, we just ask the robot

11:39:09  <Izzybee> I hate the future

11:39:21  <andythenorth> _zephyris: realism

11:39:30  <andythenorth> every time I ask, it's just 'realism'

11:39:33  <andythenorth> 'more realistic'

11:40:36  <andythenorth> after some long discussions, robot made a working spec of it for me https://grf.farm/misc/shunt/index.html

11:41:22  <andythenorth> the operating rules are on the right

11:41:29  <Izzybee> in WRSR I've used """shunting""" to avoid having to unload and reload cargo wagons, which takes time

11:42:34  <andythenorth> if you turn off all the checkbox items, it will enforce realism

11:42:48  <Izzybee> I've seen a suggestion to extend JGRPP's template replacement system to allow refitting to a template as an order, to allow you to use the "use depot" flag in there for decoupling and recoupling wagons in the TARDIS depot

11:44:06  <Izzybee> I suspect wanting it for actual gameplay reasons is not the reason most of the slop patches have been appearing though

12:01:27  <will_marshall_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1569683402603495495/image.png?ex=6af45916&is=6af30796&hm=92188f118d328f18dc250d923432f2a7fc4a4746150681eaa0a7a1bce8b26cd2&

12:01:27  <will_marshall_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1569683403211538463/image.png?ex=6af45916&is=6af30796&hm=d1e1d4cf0b1c2e98089ddc90894dab42b605b24e17470d4e38433536f25c4780&

12:01:27  <will_marshall_> 👍  looks good to me 🚢

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12:23:40  <yiffgirl> re: singles vs returns

12:23:40  <yiffgirl> returns have always been much cheaper than singles for me and i travel every few months or so.

12:26:04  <cu-kai> https://p.mort.coffee/MCv.webm

12:26:05  <cu-kai> lgtm

12:54:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/beaf1f99763473f0d8b6d6897092cb1d153e3e64

12:54:11  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)

12:54:27  <LordAro> https://terminal2shell.com/

12:57:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #417: Change: Link to follow-up post https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/417#pullrequestreview-5842124530

12:59:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #16169: Doc: Fix spacing issues. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16169#issuecomment-6767954225

13:09:47  <will_marshall_> LordAro: > VS Code    Ctrl+` (one keystroke!)

13:09:47  <will_marshall_> Clearly two keystrokes, this exploit is just hype

13:10:02  <yiffgirl> LordAro: saw this yesterday. extremely funny

13:11:09  <yiffgirl> i have kate configured to have a terminal open on startup. truly horrifying

13:13:47  <yiffgirl> honestly really hoping some clueless reporter picks it up and gets clowned on for it

13:38:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #15599: Feature: Move and resize windows with modifier keys. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15599#issuecomment-6768810483

13:42:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Release workflow was not successful https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/actions/runs/42821408293

14:06:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 updated pull request #16169: Doc: Fix spacing issues. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16169

14:11:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] J-PIE-314 updated pull request #417: Change: Link to follow-up post https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/417

14:18:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J-PIE-314 updated pull request #16172: Doc: Move Steam and GOG.com from the free download source list https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172

14:24:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #16169: Doc: Add missing space. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16169#pullrequestreview-5843406331

14:25:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #417: Change: Link to follow-up post https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/417#pullrequestreview-5843417368

14:25:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #16172: Doc: Steam and GOG.com are no longer just free download sources. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16172#pullrequestreview-5843431258

15:51:07  <LordAro> CDN upload weirdness, passed on retry

15:51:25  <LordAro> ...which was also 2 hours ago. stupid scroll

15:52:49  <LordAro> >Node.js 20 is deprecated. The following actions target Node.js 20 but are being forced to run on Node.js 24: tibdex/github-app-token@v2. For more information see: https://github.blog/changelog/2025-09-19-deprecation-of-node-20-on-github-actions-runners/

15:53:01  <LordAro> _glx_: feel like migrating that to https://github.com/actions/create-github-app-token ? ;)

16:41:30  <peter1138> Well.

16:42:22  <LordAro> peter1138: successful train?

16:54:48  <peter1138> I detrained.

16:57:45  <will_marshall_> we're all detraining these days

16:57:48  <will_marshall_> getting dumber is very in fashion

17:32:42  <andythenorth> send gifs

17:33:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #16173: [Bug]: Incorrect scrolling behaviour in train details window total tab since #15389 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/16173

17:46:01  <_glx_> LordAro: should not be too difficult it seems

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18:27:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #16174: Change: [CI] replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16174

18:28:00  <_glx_> fully untested, but in theory it should work

18:37:51  <peter1138> Added Javanese and Chavacano, Zamboanga language support to the game

18:37:53  <peter1138> Eh

18:48:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] glx22 opened pull request #141: Change: replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/actions/pull/141

18:48:55  <_glx_> also untested

18:50:52  <_glx_> oh nice we got the ubuntu runner upgrade

18:51:22  <_glx_> and it doesn't have python 3.8

18:56:27  <peter1138> Eh, what are they changing now... :o

18:57:57  <_glx_> switched from ubuntu24 to ubuntu26 😉

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19:47:18  <LordAro> i did (very half-heartedly) try to upgrade to 3.11 :p

20:00:38  <andythenorth> will containerisation still save us?

20:00:43  <andythenorth> or is that a bit 7 years ago?

20:07:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] glx22 updated pull request #141: Change: replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/actions/pull/141

20:11:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD-TTF] zephyris opened pull request #34: Change: Add bitmap strikes for design size of each font https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-TTF/pull/34

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20:17:35  <jfkuayue[m]> Hi

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20:23:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] glx22 updated pull request #141: Change: replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/actions/pull/141

20:23:57  <jfkuayue[m]> @yiffgirl reply of reply of Singles and returns: unless it is LNER and in many cases there are no return tickets nor off peak discounts. In that case return = 2x single. But there are hacks to work through it.

20:29:44  <jfkuayue[m]> s/through/around

20:40:57  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1569814142901158048/image.png?ex=6af4d2d9&is=6af38159&hm=ee030148758840f0dc919356bfb47719b5d4a4c5bbff381f3ddfac73da97d2b8&

20:40:57  <andythenorth> not just us

20:41:02  <andythenorth> this is a Lego forum

21:38:40  <yiffgirl> i... what. how does slop come into the discussion of _lego_?? you can't ask chudbbb to build your model for you, surely???

21:39:19  <andythenorth> it has a lot of non-native English speakers, and some of it is about people using translators

21:56:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] rubidium42 approved pull request #141: Change: replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/actions/pull/141#pullrequestreview-5850082005

21:56:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #16174: Change: [CI] replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16174#pullrequestreview-5850083427

22:13:33  <peter1138> LordAro, Windows?

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22:24:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #16174: Change: [CI] replace tibdex/github-app-token with actions/create-github-app-token https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/16174#issuecomment-6780929663

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