IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2026-10-06
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08:03:13 <peter1138> funderscoreunderscore
08:05:26 <will_marshall_> underscore gotta be mogging most of the other punctuation in terms of syllable count right?
08:06:01 <will_marshall_> most of them have a programmery short name like "bang" or "hash" 'coz nobody got time for "octothorpe"
08:06:36 <will_marshall_> sorry i should have said *real* punctuation because i was fully ready for the intbang
08:06:43 <peter1138> Well, compose-!-? is pretty easy.
08:06:57 <peter1138> compose-?-! is something else of course.
08:06:58 <LordAro> i googled interrobang and copied it
08:07:03 <will_marshall_> this is the way
08:07:53 <peter1138> And — is compose----, not to be confused with LLM generated walls of text.
08:08:12 <will_marshall_> rip to the emdash, long live the endash
08:09:09 <will_marshall_> oh no, a dance dance revolution type situation is about to break out
08:09:15 <peter1138> At some point this IRC server will boot me off for using blocked unicode.
08:09:33 <will_marshall_> mmmmm, illegal unicodes
08:09:34 <LordAro> quick, someone post the Turkish 'i'
08:09:57 <peter1138> And then I'll have to beg to our local oper on another network.
08:09:58 <will_marshall_> no no no, those aren't angle brackets, they're glyphs from the canadian aboriginal character set...
08:10:29 <will_marshall_> stop posting amogus
08:11:28 <peter1138> I need to revisit my auto-load-fonts patch so that we can do this in OpenTTD.
08:11:55 <LordAro> oh that's fun, my terminal displays the correct 10-eyed variant, but the browser displays 7-eyed variant
08:12:25 <peter1138> It's 7 over here :o
08:13:00 <LordAro> >However, in 2021, following a tweet highlighting the character, it came to linguist Michael Everson's attention that the character in the original manuscript was actually made up of ten eyes. After a 2022 proposal to change the character to reflect this, it was updated later that year for Unicode 15.0 to have ten eyes and to extend below the baseline.
08:14:05 <will_marshall_> see it was 2021 so someone already could have hit him with the 🤓 ☝️ and none of this would have happened
08:14:21 <peter1138> So depends how old the font that got chosen is (yay sentence structure)
08:49:22 <peter1138> > I asked Claude to do a thing this morning at 10am and it's now 10pm and it's still going through it, yikes
08:49:27 <peter1138> And yet they still do it.
08:54:13 <will_marshall_> I wonder (genuinely) how many kilowatt-hours that cost.
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09:22:01 <reldred> it boggles me that people are paying like $500/mo for this stuff
09:22:19 <reldred> and the frontier labs are *still* bleeding cash on it
09:22:53 <reldred> really makes me wonder how they're going to survive when they have to start charging 10x for them
09:50:57 <mnhebi> twas fine paying 100$ for ChatGPT when the sub actually made sense.
09:51:16 <mnhebi> now you basically get warmed up and then OpenAI wants more money
09:51:30 <mnhebi> meanwhile, Deepseek gets everything done at so much less
09:51:52 <mnhebi> I got done more in a week with 20$ than I did with 100$ and ton of free resets on Sol/Astra
09:52:25 <mnhebi> Deepseek requires a whole lot more thought put into your prompts, and afterward review though..
09:54:19 <peter1138> I'm sorry for your loss.
09:55:19 <mnhebi> I love you too, grumpy dev
09:56:04 <mnhebi> overall I'm fine either way
09:56:16 <mnhebi> only thing Deepseek really sucks on is 3d modelling but there are other things for that..
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11:47:53 <peter1138> Setting NewGRF class names is bit weird. Classes are not defined separately, so you just pick a random item in the correct class and name that.
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11:48:14 <peter1138> Anyway, helps if you set the class before setting the name.
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11:51:49 <jfkuayue> how is amogus symbol into Unicode?!?
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12:05:37 <dwfreed> "The Sinhalese script velar nasal letter ṅa."
12:05:51 <dwfreed> which just happens to look like an amogus
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15:02:34 <andythenorth> caught out by action 14 caching again 😛
15:02:55 <andythenorth> pretty much happens every time my laptop crashes
15:05:33 <peter1138> Why does your laptop crash?
15:07:18 <LordAro> i thought macos was perfect
15:09:42 <peter1138> Probably the extra load of running all our infrastructure on it.
15:12:40 <andythenorth> and the local AIs
15:12:59 <andythenorth> it doesn't do so well when it OOMs and runs out of disk also
15:13:52 <andythenorth> I was trying to run 2 local AI tools that take about 40GB each, I have 48GB RAM
15:14:17 <andythenorth> not sure how our infra coped with that
15:21:16 <peter1138> Remember when MacBooks were sort of affordable.
15:21:37 <peter1138> We still complained about the price, but, compared to now, nothing.
15:24:52 <andythenorth> it's almost ok if you own one and can trade it 😐
15:25:16 <andythenorth> can't really complain, unless I cancel my LLM account
15:26:51 <andythenorth> not sure it's entirely my fault though
15:31:31 <andythenorth> wow, computers got generally expensive? 😮
15:37:46 <peter1138> The price of being able to slop-out a NewGRF I guess.
15:38:28 <andythenorth> and post a lot to linkedin
15:38:38 <andythenorth> where it then gets spam banned anyway
15:38:59 <andythenorth> and automate making 100s of AI voiced youtube videos over meaningless stock footage
15:39:03 <andythenorth> also gets spam banned
15:39:17 <peter1138> Well, that doesn't get banned apparently.
15:39:33 <andythenorth> my youtube got better for it recently
15:39:46 <andythenorth> it has gone back to recommending red pill content and interviews with porn performers
15:39:57 <andythenorth> no matter how much I try to remove those
15:40:40 <andythenorth> and a lot of emails can now be summarised, which is important
15:41:22 <andythenorth> wonder how many B parameters a local LLM specific to python would need
15:41:58 <tony_pixel> 12, one for each sentence of `import this`
15:43:16 <andythenorth> almost fits in a byte
15:43:25 <andythenorth> how about an extended byte?
15:43:57 <andythenorth> I mean nibble obvs
15:44:04 <andythenorth> what's an extended nibble?
15:45:41 <andythenorth> did I miss it the first time?
15:48:11 <andythenorth> never happens to anyone here
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15:52:07 <peter1138> Codewise it pre-dates the newgrf.cpp split too.
15:53:25 <andythenorth> oh I only have 36GB, that contributes to the OOMing 😛
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19:34:55 <andythenorth> is that how wells make baby wells?
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20:23:50 <andythenorth> I'm here all week
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21:15:02 <peter1138> But not stuff for here.
22:29:44 <peter1138> Testing airports with holes. Game crashes :D
22:30:00 <peter1138> Well, negative offsets.
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23:15:11 <kaibaneddy> andythenorth: On 0 sleep, heading in to a meeting at uni (except I don't know exactly where, so if they don't get back to me in the next hour I guess I'm not...)
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