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05:14:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/4b40c1fefbaee516abea412eedafcd7708b85a8a
05:14:51 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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05:53:17 <reldred> peter1138: its not gonna be anything you don't already know but it's therapeutic hearing other people say it 😛 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbpVCn-Ox0
05:53:36 <reldred> jingle keys jingle jingle
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07:32:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/survey-web] survey-summary[bot] pushed 1 commits to main https://github.com/OpenTTD/survey-web/commit/124f6ef9d305394206ef02bac30e48c98b15bd06
07:32:35 <DorpsGek> - Add: summary for week 12 of 2026 (by OpenTTD Survey)
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07:48:33 <andythenorth> hmm
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07:49:22 <ahyangyi> jingle
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09:00:24 <_zephyris> Is feeling more and more bubbly
09:04:50 <LordAro> deliver them to the fizzy drinks factory?
09:17:05 <ahyangyi> jfkuayue: opus opi
09:17:28 <ahyangyi> Kinda hard to remember "opera" was the plural
09:21:30 <peter1138> I'm still never sure how opus is meant to be pronounced.
09:29:54 <LordAro> oh-puss
09:30:00 <LordAro> for me
10:00:20 <peter1138> At least one of the Radio 3 presenters says it more like op-us
10:01:27 <_zephyris> op-us is latin pronunciation, oh-pus is more common english pronunciation
10:04:12 <peter1138> I thought it might be that.
11:00:08 <peter1138> "Don't update the AI" ... :o
11:04:10 <peter1138> Um
11:04:14 <peter1138> That was meant to be...
11:04:19 <peter1138> "Don't upset the AI" ... :o
11:06:05 <ahyangyi> Downset the AI then?
11:08:39 <LordAro> upmelt?
11:45:57 <_zephyris> Any prospect of a 15.3? May be politically useful...
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12:00:20 <talltyler> For any specific changes? Or just to show that we're still developing the game?
12:00:26 <talltyler> changes/fixes
12:01:03 <peter1138> There's the desync fix, yes.
12:02:35 <peter1138> I can also make a PR of my intro menu "fix" that better aligns the icons when they are not uniformly sizes, but it's kind of a hack.
12:03:09 <_zephyris> Meant to ask about that - does it look for the widest icon? Or just give them square padding?
12:03:47 <peter1138> It actually just goes for height and assumes all the icons are square.
12:03:57 <peter1138> That's why it's a "fix" and a hack.
12:03:58 <_zephyris> Cool
12:04:12 <_zephyris> Sounds good enough to me.
12:04:33 <peter1138> The correct way is to get the maximum size of all the icons up front, and then inject that into the imgtext button.
12:06:43 <peter1138> Requires more work because the only way to inject a minimal size currently is for the whole widget, not part of it.
12:11:49 <peter1138> Technically the changes to automatically allow using Transport Tycoon Deluxe assets also work... for Steam.
12:20:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #15396: Fix 05f2a0f: Variable 0x69 has not been added for waypoints. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15396#pullrequestreview-3991336426
12:24:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #15396: Fix 05f2a0f: Variable 0x69 has not been added for waypoints. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15396#pullrequestreview-3991356124
12:25:59 <peter1138> 442 OpenTTD players on Steam.
12:27:00 <peter1138> Getting back to base-line after the 15.0 release.
12:32:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #15366: Codechange: [CI] Give examples in errors in file description checker. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15366
12:32:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed pull request #15361: Codechange: [CI] Distinguish errors from each other in file description checker. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15361
12:32:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #15361: Codechange: [CI] Distinguish errors from each other in file description checker. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15361#issuecomment-4110279889
12:34:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #15396: Fix 05f2a0f: Variable 0x69 has not been added for waypoints. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15396
12:38:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #15271: Doc: [Script] Update ScriptCargo::GetCargoIncome https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15271
12:41:26 <_zephyris> Working for Steam is still decent, did it need the API version bump?
12:54:06 <peter1138> Yes. Working for GoG should be possible, needs to registry lookups instead.
12:54:27 <peter1138> I think it's reasonable to keep that in the GoG plugin, as we don't otherwise use the Windows registry
12:54:58 <peter1138> Not sure how Mac OS handles it, and I think there isn't a Linux version.
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12:58:35 <_zephyris> Not a fan of poking the undocumened GOG install SQL database?
12:58:49 <peter1138> Nope.
12:59:01 <LordAro> weird
12:59:09 <peter1138> Hmm?
12:59:19 <_zephyris> Yeah, really unexpected answer
12:59:20 <LordAro> that you wouldn't be a fan of that :p
12:59:55 <andythenorth> comments on Steam distribution model are pretty much trickling to an end
13:00:03 <andythenorth> reddit same
13:00:06 <andythenorth> that's over for now then
13:02:51 <peter1138> Not sure if serious or not.
13:03:17 <peter1138> https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/ek3vtz/dev_gog_galaxy_20_get_list_of_gameid_of_installed/
13:03:26 <peter1138> I suppose it's... maybe possible but.
13:04:15 <_zephyris> It seems to genuinely be the way mods and similar work... not that that makes it a good idea.
13:04:47 <peter1138> I'd rather someone™ asked GoG if there's an official way to do it first :)
13:04:59 <peter1138> I have no dealing with anything on that side though.
13:05:47 <peter1138> To be fair it's potentially a data-leakage issue that Steam lets you query it.
13:06:44 <peter1138> But at that point you are running native code on someone's computer so not.
13:17:01 <_zephyris> I suspect it's intentional design on GOG's part. You install the game via GOG Galaxy, but then never need to run it again - it installs another program which is expected to be completely standalone.
13:18:15 <_zephyris> Not in the SDK
13:18:33 <peter1138> Does the GoG plugin work without GoG galaxy running then?
13:18:51 <peter1138> I know Steam does not, I thought GoG didn't either.
13:18:56 <_zephyris> Hmm, can check
13:28:42 <_zephyris> Seems the plugin's not installed by default(?)
13:41:08 <_zephyris> But, yes, GOG galaxy needs to be running
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13:42:27 <_glx_> gog plugin is installed with gog version
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14:18:10 <goddess_ishtar> peter1138: god forbid we use any sort of API for this
14:18:31 <goddess_ishtar> sql queries on the private database are the way forward
14:19:11 <goddess_ishtar> peter1138: honestly I just use Lutris for GOG games on Linux
14:19:51 <peter1138> What?
14:20:18 <goddess_ishtar> I was replying to the reddit post you linked first, and "there isn't a linux version" second
14:20:29 <goddess_ishtar> the IRC bot really should carry over that context
14:20:43 <LordAro> how do you propose it does that?
14:21:20 <goddess_ishtar> dunno, I'm just saying it's important semantic information for me :p
14:21:39 <LordAro> maybe you should provide that context yourself
14:21:42 <LordAro> you know this channel is bridged
14:22:04 <goddess_ishtar> I didn't remember it didn't carry over until Peter asked
14:22:04 <LordAro> and perhaps even more obviously, you know the person you're talking to is bridged
14:26:01 <goddess_ishtar> LordAro: it could automatically insert a quote of the message, maybe?
14:26:10 <goddess_ishtar> I don't know how clunky that would look
14:26:12 <LordAro> that sounds unbareably noisy
14:28:14 <_glx_> yeah especially when the replied to message was multiline
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14:42:44 <locosage> as if confused replies and asking for context every time isn't noisy :p
14:47:20 <orudge> fwiw, I did enquire with Atari about being able to store the app location somewhere, they said they'd connect me with a developer on their team
14:47:37 <orudge> Still waiting on that but will let you know
14:51:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] orudge commented on pull request #379: Add: Steam and GOG news https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/379#issuecomment-4111227194
15:04:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] planetmaker commented on pull request #380: Add: Announcement of Steam changes https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/380#issuecomment-4111321196
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16:25:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] leahanderson1 commented on pull request #379: Add: Steam and GOG news https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/379#issuecomment-4111927821
17:11:06 <peter1138> Ooh, Tom Scott
17:11:19 <andythenorth> is a person on Youtube
17:11:41 <peter1138> Or Nebula, it seems.
17:13:05 <andythenorth> went to the school where my dad was a teacher
17:13:11 <andythenorth> weird world of connections
17:13:17 <andythenorth> there are only 100 people really
17:16:25 <goddess_ishtar> is he still doing stuff on Nebula?
17:16:36 <goddess_ishtar> I know he's mostly finished with YouTube
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17:16:54 <will_marshall_> My sister lived in the house that Tom Scott made his dishwasher salmon video in, the year after he lived there.
17:17:14 <goddess_ishtar> bwhahahahahaha
17:17:17 <will_marshall_> The world is small and it gets a lot smaller when you consider the Absolute Cultural Victory of York University graduates over modern youtube.
17:17:42 <will_marshall_> Even the Map Man 😔
17:17:50 <andythenorth> everyone else went to Bristol
17:17:54 <andythenorth> basically those are the 2 choices
17:18:03 <mmtunligit> goddess_ishtar: the new series will be coming out on youtube, but its a week early on nebula
17:18:15 <goddess_ishtar> the new series?
17:18:15 <will_marshall_> When will someone think about the graduates of Teesside Polytechnic^H^H^H^H^H^H University
17:18:30 <mmtunligit> i think it smore that he wants to do things with a well defined start and end, instead of just "weekly videos, forever"
17:19:03 <mmtunligit> goddess_ishtar: yup, looks like ~25 minute videos on one thing he found in every county in the UK
17:19:26 <mmtunligit> this first one is casting some bells
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17:19:46 <squirejames> Ah so the reason I absolutely failed at being internet famous wasn't because I mod old RTS games no-one cares about, but because I went to the wrong university. Tracks 😛
17:20:22 <squirejames> (not that I was actually attempting to be internet famous, but then those who become so are rarely attempting it. They just "get blown up" and not in the Mossad sense)
17:20:31 <goddess_ishtar> it's on the other side of the Atlantic, this is unfair
17:20:33 <will_marshall_> I really don't think I'd tolerate internet fame well, I guess we'll find out when I become internet infamous for getting fired over some petty IRC beefs I had 20 years ago.
17:21:17 <andythenorth> I'm 1 or 2 connections away from a few internet famous people
17:21:29 <andythenorth> I think it's quite tiring
17:21:33 <andythenorth> looks like hard work
17:21:36 <will_marshall_> IDK what internet fame is but it seems shit yeah.
17:21:58 <squirejames> Yeah I am glad my mods are for ancient RTSs no-one cares about in that aspect
17:22:19 <squirejames> I've seen the pestering Timberwolf gets and thats just in this rather niche community
17:22:22 <andythenorth> Colin Furze might be an outlier, seems to still love it
17:22:38 <peter1138> Well.
17:22:40 <will_marshall_> Timberwolf making the smart decision to have a real job and just dip in when he wants to do stuff.
17:24:20 <peter1138> I met Jay Foreman before he became famous with all that Map Men stuff.
17:24:36 <will_marshall_> Society if everyone who was busy making demands for x or y thing to be done did about 100 millipencils of work towards achieving those goals. <https://cdn-useast1.kapwing.com/static/templates/society-if-meme-template-thumbnail-527b2018.webp>
17:25:09 <will_marshall_> I was a Jay Foreman fan back when it was all Moon Chavs and stealing food.
17:25:22 <will_marshall_> Git orf my lawn.
17:25:23 <peter1138> Quite.
17:26:50 <goddess_ishtar> how much work is one pencil?
17:26:55 <goddess_ishtar> what's the definition of the unit?
17:27:38 <will_marshall_> I'm so glad you asked....
17:27:56 <peter1138> There'll be a standardised pencil unit scheme somewhere.
17:28:07 <will_marshall_> One pencil is the effort required to make one commit that pushes the project forward by any measurable amount.
17:28:18 <andythenorth> _does a Horse commit_
17:28:29 <will_marshall_> That's one pencil, minimum.
17:28:33 <peter1138> I need to commit stuff in my garden.
17:28:52 <will_marshall_> I need to go out there with a spade and bury the compost heap to stop the rats getting in, again.
17:28:59 <will_marshall_> Sisyphean task.
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17:31:45 <_jgr_> Effort is not really fungible like that for most projects...
17:32:26 <will_marshall_> It's a thought experiment, OK?
17:32:50 <goddess_ishtar> a hundred millipencils is actually a fairly appreciable amount of effort
17:32:57 <will_marshall_> Trust me I've worked with enough lousy programmers to know that some of them take the project backwards with each submission.
17:33:28 <will_marshall_> 1/10th of a pencil? I can make 3 or 4 pencils on a good day if I'm really in the flow state 😛
17:34:48 <goddess_ishtar> ~~I just look at the length of my to-do list and panic for six hours straight because there's 50 different things which all have each other as prerequisites~~
17:35:08 <andythenorth> my robot does mine
17:35:10 <will_marshall_> 😔
17:35:13 <will_marshall_> too real
17:35:23 <andythenorth> *in my dreams*
17:35:43 <_jgr_> You just have to embrace the fact that 75% of the todo list will never be done 😛
17:36:39 <peter1138> Split it up into manageable chunks, then get only 75% of the first chunk done.
17:37:37 <will_marshall_> But JGR, if I don't get 95% of the todo list done I'll get fired and the game won't come out.
17:38:41 <goddess_ishtar> but you can't do it too quickly either, or else your manager will hold you to that timeline for every project regardless of the complexity involved
17:38:53 <talltyler> And the remaining 5% is what everybody seems to care about most.
17:39:27 <will_marshall_> Mostly annoying bastards.
17:40:25 <andythenorth> my work todo lists https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/m0s4g3yu/image.png
17:40:29 <andythenorth> I don't do that for Horse though
17:40:46 <talltyler> I'm so glad my OpenTTD to-do list is mostly just in my head, and every time I get too ambitious and write out a plan, I soon forget where I've written it down
17:40:54 <andythenorth> Horse todo list https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yPJ9R9R3/image.png
17:41:07 <andythenorth> except there's another 5 viewports of scroll
17:41:11 <goddess_ishtar> I use a rapidly-growing chaotic Obsidian file
17:41:31 <will_marshall_> I have a todo list on my office whiteboard but it doesn't move very fast.
17:41:33 <goddess_ishtar> sometimes I just open kwrite and scribble something down on it like it's a slip of scrap paper
17:41:50 <peter1138> *25%
17:41:56 <will_marshall_> Highlight on the board at the moment: "AIR HOSE"
17:42:12 <andythenorth> AIR HOSE
17:42:17 <will_marshall_> That's been up there for a few weeks.
17:42:20 <goddess_ishtar> it's like zettelkasten with zero organization or coherency :p
17:42:32 <andythenorth> important Horse notes https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FKUIyEym/image.png
17:43:05 <will_marshall_> these aren't notes these are precepts
17:43:08 <will_marshall_> for the HORS religion
17:43:44 <goddess_ishtar> wait Horse not having a Pacific is intentional?
17:43:51 <talltyler> Okay, I'll bite, why are Pacifics unlucky?
17:43:54 <goddess_ishtar> I always thought it was a weird omissions
17:44:18 <Timberwolf> Yeah, I know a few people in the creator space and even having the money be just a part of your income is stressful enough.
17:44:42 <will_marshall_> talltyler: "A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane lmao"
17:46:19 <goddess_ishtar> goddess_ishtar: I have all of the notes synced to my phone using Syncthing, so I can write down things whenever
17:46:26 <goddess_ishtar> it's actually pretty convenient
17:47:38 <Timberwolf> It's the freedom for me more than anything, if I want to go off and cover something that only a handful of people are going to watch then I can, I'm not relying on it to pay the mortgage, it's just beer money every so often.
17:47:42 <goddess_ishtar> I wanted to look up how the actual formal zettelkasten system worked but it turns out that people who write a lot about personal productivity tend to be either pretentious or kinda gross
17:49:05 <andythenorth> Pacifics are just unlucky
17:49:08 <andythenorth> who knows why
17:49:21 <andythenorth> it occurred to me one day, and now it's just established fact
17:49:35 <andythenorth> any 4-6-2 can perfectly well be an 4-8-2
17:49:40 <andythenorth> or a 4-6-4
17:49:51 <will_marshall_> Timberwolf: I hope you never stop making autobiographical content because there's something charming and offbeat about it.
17:50:02 <squirejames> will_marshall_: The phrase "we all have something valuable to bring to this project, but from now on the thing you should bring is silence" springs to mind 😄
17:50:33 <andythenorth> "kindly refrain from breathing" blast from the past
17:50:45 <will_marshall_> penn_gilette_stfu.gif
17:50:46 <squirejames> I too greatly enjoy your videos Mr Timberwolf
17:50:53 <goddess_ishtar> squirejames: oh that's brutal
17:50:57 <andythenorth> ok new Horse https://grf.farm/iron-horse/4.16.0/html/changelog.html
17:51:05 <andythenorth> I can't post it to discord so eh
17:51:15 <Timberwolf> Thanks :)
17:51:26 <will_marshall_> You need a like, secretary, Andy.
17:51:30 <will_marshall_> Someone to filter your annoying fanmail.
17:52:03 <andythenorth> I have filtered it by exiting discord
17:52:14 <andythenorth> then I don't have to see all the ways my grfs confuse decent people
17:52:21 <andythenorth> and then I don't have to argue with everyone else
17:52:39 <andythenorth> Horse docs now work for variants like this https://grf.farm/iron-horse/4.16.0/html/kelpie.html
17:52:45 <goddess_ishtar> yeah that's a cute idea
17:53:24 <goddess_ishtar> the variants I mean
17:53:42 <peter1138> Leaving Discord is a cute idea too.
17:53:53 <andythenorth> something wrong with the capacity calculation on the single unit of this https://grf.farm/iron-horse/4.16.0/html/skipper.html
17:54:02 <peter1138> I'm well versed in it.
17:54:08 <andythenorth> I've done it twice now
17:54:09 <will_marshall_> I'd leave discord if I wasn't so lazy. So impossibly lazy.
17:54:10 <andythenorth> getting good
17:54:12 <goddess_ishtar> andythenorth: presumably because one is mail and the other is passengers?
17:54:16 <andythenorth> maybe yes
17:54:20 <andythenorth> dunno
17:54:58 <andythenorth> suspect it's just a maths error in the compile
17:55:31 <will_marshall_> I should try a game of HORSE sometime./
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18:01:26 <eed_edward> I noticed it once and now I see it all the time: in Profile Signature there is "Iron Horse ((trains) (released)" - two opening braces but rather should be one!
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18:08:17 <scrubbles3587> it's called iron horse but it is actually really iron snowploughs and brake vans
18:10:41 <goddess_ishtar> >iron horse
18:10:44 <goddess_ishtar> >look inside
18:10:47 <goddess_ishtar> >no horses
18:11:06 <scrubbles3587> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1485702446281003028/train_whack.png?ex=69c2d3ba&is=69c1823a&hm=1bafff551549342a907abde27ea08e0d56bdbc7d341d9a6dca96253d526d2f89&
18:11:25 <scrubbles3587> train whack on 4.13.2, bug or feature, who can really tell?
18:11:36 <goddess_ishtar> that's for the Alize I think
18:11:43 <goddess_ishtar> one of the trailers
18:11:47 <will_marshall_> oui oui
18:49:31 <ahyangyi> what is Train Whack?
18:49:36 <ahyangyi> A new minigame?
18:58:03 <goddess_ishtar> randomized consist tool on the Iron Horse website
19:00:47 <ahyangyi> So it just calculates a score and has no interaction (besides refreshing)
19:00:53 <ahyangyi> ?
19:01:15 <goddess_ishtar> yeah besides the toggles there's nothing to do
19:03:06 <peter1138> Should we unforce bridges above stations?
19:04:26 <peter1138> Also WidgetData has a Dimension member called matrix, I could maybe repurpose that for image text buttons do be the sprite dimension. Hmm.
19:04:58 <peter1138> But then "matrix" is the wrong naming.
19:14:42 <andythenorth> eed_edward: fixed thanks :)
19:15:00 <andythenorth> scrubbles3587: definite feature
19:15:10 <andythenorth> should be bonus points for powered carriages leading
19:16:48 <andythenorth> ok I think this is the conclusive "it's all done" comment, and it's well played :) https://steamcommunity.com/app/1536610/discussions/0/802342772998837003/#c802342772998846588
19:26:24 <_zephyris> @peter1138 IMO a setting is reasonable - it's quite a large gameplay change.
19:26:57 <_zephyris> My preference would be to have bridges over stations, town buildings, etc., with a global on/off
19:27:05 <_zephyris> But, just my 2c 🙂
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19:55:11 <reldred> Why? If someone doesn’t want to bridge over a station can’t they just… not? Or is this more a MP griefing situation where someone boxes in someone’s station so they can’t expand it or something?
19:56:03 <will_marshall_> Multiplayer servers for old-school purists?
19:56:25 <will_marshall_> Imagining a multiplayer server with PBS disabled.
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19:57:16 <locosage> I'd rather just not allow bridges in mp then have players box others with 5 level tall mountains
19:59:15 <locosage> it useless to a point of being just a convenient excuse for griefers
19:59:46 <squirejames> I think this would just fall under "don't play multiplayer with dicks"
20:00:01 <locosage> yeah, let's close all public servers :p
20:00:09 <reldred> Lets
20:00:18 <will_marshall_> real
20:01:09 <andythenorth> it's the usual story, no feature can ever be added
20:01:18 <andythenorth> it will break MP
20:01:22 <reldred> Fuck MP
20:01:22 <andythenorth> it breaks grfs or scripts
20:01:43 <reldred> I’m sick of compromising progress for the sake of fucking morons
20:01:51 <andythenorth> it breaks someone's 15 yrar old savegame economy balancing
20:01:57 <andythenorth> it breaks someone's purism
20:02:30 <andythenorth> it's just meddling for the sake of meddling
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20:02:31 <locosage> well, multiplayer is just quite a different mode with different requirements
20:02:35 <will_marshall_> its so sad that openttd got that mandatory auto-updater that forcibly...
20:02:39 <locosage> it would've been much better if bridges didn't require 5 levels of height
20:02:41 <andythenorth> I'm not dismissing MP
20:02:50 <andythenorth> just that features are impossible to add
20:03:00 <squirejames> There was someone on Steam, surprise surprise, complaining that he couldn't find the original two way signals. Apparently this made it unplayable for him. Someone helpfully explained how he could enable the legacy signals, and he seemed happy but, mannn, who uses those any more?
20:03:09 <locosage> for stations without roof they only need two, but default stations have roof
20:03:39 <will_marshall_> two way signals are so bad that it's a wonder that they were ever even in the game
20:03:55 <_jgr_> Lower clearances with the glass roof produces unpleasant clipping/sprite sorting problems
20:04:12 <will_marshall_> we glaze chris sawyer a lot but i gotta say serious chris sawyer L for the TTO signals
20:04:16 <squirejames> I get that pre sigs and what not have their uses. Niche, slightly mental uses. But, yeah the original two ways, what do they even doooo
20:04:18 <goddess_ishtar> squirejames: two-way block signalsl
20:04:26 <squirejames> yEP
20:04:32 <reldred> andythenorth: I am
20:04:34 <goddess_ishtar> why would you
20:04:40 <will_marshall_> me on my way to my busy day of work at the deadlock factory
20:05:37 <locosage> a lot of nice features are nearly impossible to do because of newgrfs, how's that for compromising progress :p
20:05:51 <_jgr_> If GRF stations aren't available and you want a bridge over them, use the platforms without a roof makes more sense than using a higher bridge
20:06:21 <will_marshall_> if we didn't have newgrf we'd have 10,000 openttd forks instead
20:06:22 <squirejames> Apologies for the IRC peeps as I don't believe images are visible but
20:06:24 <squirejames> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1485731463734231171/image.png?ex=69c2eec0&is=69c19d40&hm=b22d25f0a20157880c9e24a6e993bdc5192e2aef7aa1eda7440f42530b2dc02f&
20:06:51 <will_marshall_> squirejames: https://weblogs.openttd.org/openttd/2026/03/23.html
20:06:56 <will_marshall_> they get the URL
20:07:00 <squirejames> I had to resist "buried like they should have been all along" but if they want to play on frontal lobe damage mode thats their problem I guess
20:07:19 <locosage> _jgr_: yes, but in mp you don't choose what platform your competitors use and roof builds by default
20:07:34 <_jgr_> squirejames: If people want to play in the original style there's nothing wrong with that
20:07:49 <locosage> having a setting to do roofless stations by default would kinda work too
20:07:56 <_jgr_> locosage: So don't build a bridge, which was the status quo before anyway?
20:07:58 <squirejames> Original style, fine
20:07:58 <squirejames> But two way block signals were ALWAYS useless
20:08:47 <squirejames> TTD had one way block signals. Absolutely fine. Networks were practically impossible in TTO because all it had was two way
20:09:07 <squirejames> I believe Mr Timberwolf covered this in one of his history dives
20:09:29 <locosage> _jgr_: yes, but now you can and there is no incentive to care about your competitors
20:09:36 <locosage> and moderating that will be a nightmare
20:09:59 <squirejames> People who think TTD is competitive already have a problem I think
20:10:09 <reldred> Crack heads
20:10:20 <locosage> it looks competitive and there are ways to make it competitive
20:10:33 <squirejames> And they will already do silly crap like destroying your road vehicles with trains, statue bombing etc
20:10:36 <will_marshall_> i hope i get a good grade in transport tycoon class or they're gonna make me repeat the whole year of school
20:10:40 <will_marshall_> my new isekai
20:10:41 <will_marshall_> idk
20:11:07 <_jgr_> It sounds like the excessive earthworks is the problem rather than the bridge per se
20:11:44 <locosage> yes, they are, but that makes moderating them difficult
20:12:08 <locosage> as you need to somehow formulate rules that will separate terraforming for griefing and terraforming for bridge
20:12:40 <locosage> before bridges it was simple, any excessive terraforming is griefing, especially if it's not undoable
20:13:48 <squirejames> Surely as with all self imposed rules, what defines "excessive" is determined by the server admin et al
20:15:05 <locosage> yeah, and I happen to be that admin :p
20:15:08 <squirejames> (therefore, bridges do not complicate this at all, as if it was "do not excessive terraform or admin will splat" now its "do not bridge grief or admin will splat)
20:15:20 <locosage> there is already enough confusion with spreading, don't need another rule that no one can explain sanely
20:15:52 <squirejames> as I said, griefers gonna grief no matter what you do
20:16:18 <andythenorth> is bridging over stations a flag in grf?
20:16:31 <will_marshall_> the station grf sets the "height"
20:16:36 <locosage> there are actually very few problems with griefers on citymania
20:16:41 <will_marshall_> so in theory set that to BIG_NUMBER and bridging b gone
20:16:47 <locosage> because a lot of stuff just isn't allowed by the server
20:16:48 <andythenorth> 4096
20:16:54 <peter1138> Excess trees.
20:16:54 <locosage> and the rest is easy to see and moderate
20:16:55 <andythenorth> 65536 is max height level?
20:17:05 <will_marshall_> 16bits is too many bits.
20:17:26 <andythenorth> I am in bits
20:17:40 <andythenorth> does anyone want to buy any model trains? bargain prices
20:17:46 <will_marshall_> talking about bits on IRC, some things never change
20:17:53 <andythenorth> my shed roof has fallen in and I need to pay for the repair :P
20:18:22 <will_marshall_> i'm also considering selling model trains to pay for a house repair ;-;
20:18:28 <peter1138> Bikeshedding?
20:18:37 <andythenorth> sort of yes
20:18:49 <will_marshall_> anyone want to buy a just-barely-touched rake of expensive bachmann mk2fs? good prices i swear
20:22:33 <andythenorth> what livery? :P
20:22:46 <andythenorth> I don't, but someone was asking
20:25:28 <will_marshall_> uhhhh, intercity swallow, Bachmann 39-678DC I think
20:26:02 <andythenorth> :| they wanted blue + grey
20:26:20 <andythenorth> ebay, or rmweb private sales (needs a membership), or Rails of Sheffield
20:26:48 <will_marshall_> eBay is gonna be the answer I suspect./
20:28:11 <will_marshall_> if I can avoid selling them I will because they are unobtanium and in theory I'll have a place to run them eventually.
20:36:14 <andythenorth> so what do I need to do to Horse for running backwards?
20:36:20 <andythenorth> tail light detection?
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20:48:16 <belajalilija> Pantograph flipping too maybe?
20:49:08 <belajalilija> In my set we’re doing both (they’re on the same layer)
20:50:20 <andythenorth> pans I'm not bothered ;)
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21:06:53 <andythenorth> so I don't use the correct badge for electric? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4ubd0zmX/image.png
21:06:58 <andythenorth> oops
21:12:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15398: Codechange: Rename "non-stop" and "go via" order flags for clarity https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15398#pullrequestreview-3994727833
21:17:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15184: Add: Record history of cargo delivered to towns https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15184#pullrequestreview-3994768757
21:32:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #15184: Add: Record history of cargo delivered to towns https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15184
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21:33:47 <jfkuayue> daily pen usage is an interesting index
21:34:01 <jfkuayue> i remember using up more than one per day, in high school
21:39:07 <peter1138> Oh, Rubidium's not here :/
21:50:01 <reldred> peter1138 he got sick of xaricks shit, someone should tell him it’s safe now (well, safe from xarick at least)
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21:53:00 <mnhebi> :widdle_goblin:
22:13:13 <belajalilija> reldred: yeah, im still here :psychosmile:
22:18:04 <squirejames> andythenorth: New set: Esroh Nori
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22:19:33 <__abigail> belajalilija: Me too, unfortunately
22:22:04 <andythenorth> naptime
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22:27:12 <belajalilija> __abigail: fortunately*
22:28:42 <squirejames> I bring good news and bad news.
22:28:42 <squirejames> Good news, the furor over the Atari TTD release has largely subsided
22:28:58 <squirejames> Bad news: Steam denizens have started complaining about the main menu again
22:29:58 <reldred> Same as it ever was
22:30:10 <squirejames> Life on the OpenTTD Serengetti continues
22:30:21 <reldred> The tourists went back to playing their Roblox train sims
22:30:34 <reldred> Or eating paint chips
22:31:16 <__abigail> belajalilija: I'm way more annoying
22:35:48 <goddess_ishtar> squirejames: nature is healing
22:44:22 <belajalilija> __abigail: :doubt:
22:44:50 <__abigail> belajalilija: My gf would confirm this
22:44:50 <__abigail> Although to be fair you are British
22:50:03 <andythenorth> do people still lick lead paint?
22:50:11 <andythenorth> or was that left in the 1980s
22:54:00 <goddess_ishtar> bold of you all to assume I'm not capable of being more annoying than this
23:02:09 <belajalilija> goddess_ishtar: Do it
23:02:27 <reldred> Just not in here 😛
23:02:49 <reldred> Go do crime in the regular Discord channel #openttd channel
23:02:51 <__abigail> reldred: Sorry, too late. Xarick 2 is here
23:50:55 <jfkuayue> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1485787963173634138/IMG_1671.png?ex=69c3235f&is=69c1d1df&hm=6295d72d6e662193555f1f716338fd2fbc628ac38fe8f03267cb6084028c155d&
23:50:55 <jfkuayue> Is this cover ai
23:51:21 <mmtunligit> yes
23:51:49 <jfkuayue> Why, last time i checked it, it was a different cover
23:52:22 <jfkuayue> Or spotify is doing an invisible big hand
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23:52:58 <mmtunligit> theres like 3 moons, none of the little flourishes are actually symmetrical, hes behind that one plant but its missing a leaf to better show him
23:53:40 <mmtunligit> jfkuayue: almsot certaintly, spotifys goal is to get everyone listening to AI generated music with AI generated covers so they dont have to pay any actual artists
23:53:47 <belajalilija> the font isnt even consistent