IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2026-02-13
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01:19:03 <peter1138> Hmm, is it intended that you can replace your own one-way roads with drive-through stops?
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05:07:14 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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07:46:56 <mmtunligit> peter1138: i dont see any reason why you shouldnt be able to have drive throughs on one ways
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07:55:36 <reldred> if anything they're quite popular in jgrpp
07:56:10 <reldred> overtaking articulated vehicles in jgrpp though makes them a bit more useful
07:57:18 <LordAro> adding the string also makes backporting difficult
09:48:37 <peter1138> You seem to be answering a different question.
09:49:38 <peter1138> LordAro, there is an existing string that could be used, but it's called `STR_ERROR_CROSSING_ON_ONEWAY_ROAD`, and isn't formatted correctly.
09:52:35 <peter1138> But that could be used to simplify backporting.
10:00:40 <mmtunligit> Why is it an issue to have a roadstop on a one way
10:01:12 <peter1138> Putting a drive-through roadstop on a one-way road replaces the road. Completely. It's no longer one-way.
10:03:10 <mmtunligit> Can you not then put the one way back on the roadstop?
10:04:25 <peter1138> No, roadstops don't have one-way state.
10:07:34 <mmtunligit> I guess it’s fine then but that seems to me like something that should exist
10:09:05 <peter1138> Your beliefs on whether something should exist don't really mean anything when it comes to backporting a bugfix.
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10:10:06 <mmtunligit> yeah i know, thats why i said its fine
10:10:52 <mmtunligit> i raised objection initally because i thought you might have been removing functionality that did exist without realizing it
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10:50:59 <LordAro> mmtunligit: you seem to still be talking at cross-purposes
10:51:06 <LordAro> i've (hopefully) clarified my comment
12:08:58 <xarick> performance degradation when viewing aircraft list
12:18:22 <andythenorth> does it also affect other vehicle lists?
13:01:15 <peter1138> Does it affect the non-group vehicle window?
13:01:44 <peter1138> (Set "Use groups in vehicle list: Off")
13:05:23 <andythenorth> see how much worse it is with Iron Horse
13:05:56 <andythenorth> and try windowshade, because there's an older version of this degradation that (1) was worse with complex grfs (2) used to stop if the window was shaded
13:06:36 <andythenorth> I have a video somewhere in my well organised filing system
13:11:14 <_glx_> What does profiler say? Is it GetString, GetSprite or something else?
13:16:07 <peter1138> Probably it's "there's 15 companies, each with 2000 trains, road vehicles, ships and aircraft, and we're adding more causing rebuilds and resorts"
13:52:44 <_glx_> indeed it's the sorting
13:53:06 <_glx_> constant calls to GetString
13:53:09 <xarick> 1925 trains in this company
13:53:30 <_glx_> and GetString is known to be not super fast
13:55:05 <_glx_> and there's already some caching in the sorter, it would be worse without it
13:55:28 <xarick> let me try load a dummyAI in its place, i suspect ... it might improve
13:58:27 <xarick> ya, so it's some action that's triggering some redraw?
13:59:42 <xarick> how do i know which functions are setting stuff dirty?
14:07:23 <xarick> CmdBuildVehicle and CmdMoveRailVehicle
14:10:51 <peter1138> Some pool items have cached_name, but not groups.
14:11:19 <_glx_> and the group name caching in sorter is super limited
14:18:04 <xarick> it's a plethora of Cmdfunctions not just those 2
14:18:24 <xarick> the AI is doing groups, engines, renaming group, etc
14:19:32 <xarick> OnInvalidateData: ```this->vehgroups.ForceRebuild();
14:19:32 <xarick> this->groups.ForceRebuild();```
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14:32:09 <_jgr_> If Group::name is non-empty, which is usually the case, then the output of GetString is just that string passed through anyway
14:47:57 <peter1138> Also, don't force a build/resort on the groups list when it's only the vehicle list that needs refreshing.
14:58:37 <_glx_> why would you need the id ?
14:58:59 <xarick> AcceptPreview should return the id, instead of bool imo
14:59:29 <xarick> or add an additional method
14:59:52 <_glx_> you receive AIEventEngineAvailable when accepting IIRC
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15:00:47 <rito12_51026> xarick: It's that way on purpose, so AI does not have any benefits over human players
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15:16:38 <xarick> nop glx, didn't get it
15:16:48 <xarick> i got it a year after accepting preview
15:17:00 <xarick> but everyone else got it as well by then
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15:43:13 <xarick> if i use the preview vehicle, do stations get a bonus rating
15:43:26 <xarick> what are the pros of using a preview vehicle
15:52:32 <_glx_> with preview you can get faster or more powerful before others
15:56:27 <xarick> their reliability is quite low during preview
15:56:36 <xarick> there should be some other bonuses
15:59:21 <_glx_> hmm yeah, when AI accepts preview, the only way to use the new engine is via EngineList
16:01:15 <_glx_> and it's the same when GS enables an engine for a company
16:01:43 <_glx_> AI won't know without parsing EngineList
16:07:55 <xarick> what reliability do engines enabled by a GS get?
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18:05:12 <xarick> is the AcceptPreview a command?
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18:09:06 <xarick> if the script needs to save and the engine preview event was sent, I can't accept preview
18:09:30 <xarick> I can't save the engine preview instance
18:09:56 <xarick> I can't accept the preview on load, or is the preview re-sent on load?
18:21:29 <peter1138> So ScriptEventEngineAvailable should be sent to the AI company if it accepts the preview, I guess?
18:22:47 <_jgr_> xarick: There's no point in sitting on the preview event. Either accept or bin it. This is the same as for human players.
18:23:43 <xarick> the AI might be in the middle of something else when Save is called
18:24:22 <xarick> I can't "accept preview" that way
18:24:46 <_jgr_> That is no different to any other kind of script event
18:46:19 <_glx_> and AI has only 20 days to handle it anyway
18:55:51 <_glx_> also if human has the preview window open when saving, it doesn't reopen on load
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20:34:04 <xarick> it would be cool to get the date of an event
20:35:00 <xarick> looking at AIEventStationFirstVehicle specifically
20:35:48 <xarick> I could compare this date to the date stations were built and compute the "days_in_transit" that way
20:36:29 <xarick> or even compare the date the other station was first visit
20:45:56 <xarick> `AIVehicle.GetAge(i) > 730`... i really need the economyage
21:16:16 <andythenorth> backing up is boring 😐
21:20:38 <LordAro> andythenorth: my backup has been running since monday
21:20:50 <andythenorth> I don't have a big disk
21:20:50 <LordAro> 12T over 100Mbps is not fast :(
21:21:29 <LordAro> (offsite zpool became very sad over the weekend)
21:32:06 <xarick> can something bad happen when a vehicle is getting very old and urgently needs replacing
21:38:26 <xarick> make that urgency mean something
21:49:41 <peter1138> Well, it'll break down...
21:54:26 <andythenorth> what 1990s game shall we remake next?
21:54:53 <andythenorth> that is the most sensible suggestion you've made in months 🙂
21:55:01 <andythenorth> I tried making the basics of lemmings nce
21:55:25 <xarick> oh, I thought you meant vehicles exploding
21:55:43 <andythenorth> this is directly inspired by Lemmings
22:19:42 <SigHunter> is there a way to make bribing authorities not get detected ever?
23:08:49 <xarick> I wonder if ScriptIndustry should have a GetStationID
23:08:59 <xarick> i need their neutral station
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