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05:05:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/4bd9d657ca8c105c1bac10155755709a38e3949c
05:05:57 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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10:16:07 <xarick> hi
10:20:27 <xarick> will there be a 15.2?
10:23:09 <xarick> 15.2 on 15/02 maybe?
10:28:05 <LordAro> "probably"
10:28:13 <LordAro> dunno about date though
10:41:29 <xarick> hmm I dunno if SuperLib employs some Sleep
10:41:47 <xarick> haven't touched any library
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10:54:39 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468922769990488231/image.png?ex=6985c86f&is=698476ef&hm=2df5350e17fa1722995e4447a248e5a03e73a078bae9c41e46ae8f5ae8d0ca23&
10:54:39 <xarick> lordaro4353: hmm ?
10:59:40 <xarick> i have a suspicion
11:08:34 <LordAro> town looks pretty full to me
11:10:04 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468926642843029598/image.png?ex=6985cc0a&is=69847a8a&hm=8e817c84065106e900bc73a9b681d39e651c08876551a767c655c3f1cfe977de&
11:20:32 <xarick> as I suspected, WormAI has many unprofitable air routes
11:20:41 <xarick> max distance of 1000 is quite large
11:21:01 <xarick> especially with breakdowns
11:27:02 <xarick> NoNoCAB has an excelent airport infrastructure efficiency
11:27:25 <xarick> maybe you should copy some logic from it
11:28:07 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468931190445572251/image.png?ex=6985d047&is=69847ec7&hm=32923312e2b22f48731e512c4a04bac4bd5c6e32f68ade7b76a2253c083afa04&
11:57:38 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468938617727615128/image.png?ex=6985d732&is=698485b2&hm=1068f8dd825aa3f9b45d5a5c5836995c58f99e8449d6e64d5f542f33ce8b0b5e&
11:57:38 <xarick> hmm
12:03:16 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468940036924903597/image.png?ex=6985d884&is=69848704&hm=3e493f7afbb13f7872c43b003d4762f84218824e66c7b425b5fc497fbb6c431a&
12:03:16 <xarick> that's a very optimistic value
12:10:01 <xarick> by the time aircraft begins flight, reliability is 88%, down from 98% at the start
12:15:57 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468943229553475604/image.png?ex=6985db7d&is=698489fd&hm=a8b475e411dda7c7d566ca7131a543b3fb7ed4f6ef3e5ab282abdb44ead7c308&
12:15:57 <xarick> yeah...
12:16:27 <xarick> breakdown happens at about 20% route
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12:53:09 <peter1138> :48 < benc> and this is without even adversarial AI.
12:53:11 <peter1138> Erm
12:53:25 <peter1138> https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/03/github_kill_switch_pull_requests_ai/
12:53:33 <peter1138> No idea why that was pasted, nor why it was blue :o
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13:00:56 <goddess_ishtar> > Code community site begins to see that AI could drive people away
13:00:56 <goddess_ishtar> you don't say?
13:12:41 <xarick> adversarial AI, is that a new AI?
13:15:53 <LordAro> lol.
13:16:07 <LordAro> i'm 90% you didn't mean it, but that's actually very funny
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14:19:12 <xarick> I wonder who's the best aircraft AI :(
14:19:31 <xarick> AAAHog probably, or AdmiralAI
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14:29:49 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468976916571619349/2026-02-05_14-28-51.mp4?ex=6985fadd&is=6984a95d&hm=b4997c2a3206ad5fdfaf367fa8f82f21bd6defb7f7a997946fdc57bbc8684f22&
14:29:49 <xarick> dang, WormAI sleeps too much
14:30:12 <dwfreed> peter1138: you sent ^C, and the missing numbers from the timestamp are 12, which results in the blue color (mIRC color codes)
14:57:29 <peter1138> Another in the list of rhetorical comments (wasn't even a question) that didn't require an answer
14:58:30 <andythenorth[d]> hmm slop doesn't make money, shocker?
14:58:36 <andythenorth[d]> enables grift, at best
14:58:52 <andythenorth[d]> lunch though?
15:03:03 <peter1138> Siesta time.
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15:12:39 <andythenorth[d]> strepsils time
15:17:41 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1468988963804156060/image.png?ex=69860615&is=6984b495&hm=b336fa095aa351ad646ca89d545c341d8749b77a799d49b80936e7b6b111a0f7&
15:17:41 <xarick> :)
15:25:09 <xarick> what would be the optimal distance between airports? 1000 is too much
15:25:22 <xarick> 250 might be too little
15:25:56 <peter1138> andythenorth[d] oh no
15:32:22 <kuhnovic> andythenorth[d]: Ah you got it too
15:32:40 <andythenorth[d]> everyone did, has already, or is about to
15:32:45 <andythenorth[d]> *unscheduled* nappings
15:32:49 <andythenorth[d]> sore throat
15:33:48 <kuhnovic> Too bad it had to happen during the first week of my new job
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15:40:44 <jfkuayue> https://bananas.openttd.org/package/newgrf/f1250010
15:40:44 <jfkuayue> I am admiring this. really.
15:45:21 <andythenorth[d]> oh they've actually used the full FIRS lang support https://github.com/ChronosXYZ/firs-ru/blob/russian-translation/src/grf/lang/russian.toml
15:45:38 <andythenorth[d]> I didn't delete the support, I'm just refusing to do the work
15:46:02 <andythenorth[d]> I guess forked grfs on bananas for languages is fine?
16:01:45 <LordAro> it's not ideal
16:01:56 <LordAro> but i suppose there's no reason against it
16:03:41 <andythenorth[d]> it solves all my problems
16:03:49 <andythenorth[d]> [currently]
16:04:16 <LordAro> and no one here has any desire to repeat that fantastically bizarre argument we had before
16:05:45 <andythenorth[d]> lunch?
16:25:36 <peter1138> We didn't get very far with external user-provided translations.
16:26:04 <jfkuayue> My mother mixes "COSTA" and "TESCO" now and then
16:36:00 <peter1138> Well, there's a Costa in the Tesco next door.
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16:37:40 <peter1138> (Loosely next door)
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16:40:27 <jfkuayue> For her, it could be just "reversing"
16:40:38 <jfkuayue> kou-sze-ta, ta-sze-kou
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18:37:14 <xarick> I don't know what, but there's something not right <https://github.com/Wormnest/wormai/blob/master/airmanager.nut#L3152-L3179>
18:39:42 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1469039803952795852/image.png?ex=6986356e&is=6984e3ee&hm=2038295bc68400068f730374bbcd6ffce835ea6910aac87924e7d30e7a572942&
18:39:42 <xarick> I was expecting some curved graph
18:40:33 <goddess_ishtar> xarick: where would the curve come from? al of the terms are linear
18:43:44 <xarick> oh, i need to divide 952/4 or so
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18:48:45 <xarick> difficult to account for breakdowns
18:50:06 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1469042417712889918/image.png?ex=698637dd&is=6984e65d&hm=ea511930d59b0c9e2268e44eea040337bbc7f48ba11c28848f6a8ddc5721e652&
18:50:06 <xarick> bakewell lucket lb-8
18:50:15 <xarick> in blue
18:50:31 <xarick> x = reliability = 86
18:50:59 <xarick> preferred distance being 1170 ... that's just not right
18:51:32 <xarick> it's too much, but maybe the computed value could mean something different
18:52:39 <xarick> 1289 for a 100% reliability
18:52:45 <xarick> this shouldn't be linear
18:54:19 <ahyangyi> There is really no non-linearity in your formula though.
19:17:31 <goddess_ishtar> xarick: your blue formula simplifies to `(1125(631x+32100))/83027` which scales linearly with x
19:17:41 <goddess_ishtar> it's a disgustingly complicated formula but linear
19:19:39 <goddess_ishtar> actually no, you could simplify further to ⁨`(709,875x+36,112,500)/83027`⁩
19:20:16 <goddess_ishtar> and then multiply through the fraction as 1/83027 but you get the point
19:20:17 <goddess_ishtar> linear
19:21:51 <goddess_ishtar> you need a ⁨`x^2`⁩ or ⁨`foo/x`⁩ or something in there
19:22:01 <dwfreed> "repeating decimal, period 1,428" lol
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19:56:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ronvid opened pull request #15231: Fix #15105: Czech townname generation causing crashes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15231
19:59:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15232: Codechange: document some virtual functions https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15232
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20:17:35 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1469064433203413053/image.png?ex=69864c5e&is=6984fade&hm=3c6a5d71db22089efa96825d0160a75e3aa02f6da80937aaefe37a1967bc2d2d&
20:17:35 <xarick> that's it
20:18:51 <xarick> is there a pow function in squirrel
20:19:11 <jfkuayue> x^x is neither power or exponential
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21:17:34 <xarick> yate haugan
21:17:50 <xarick> ~2600 distance
21:21:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #15231: Fix #15105: Czech townname generation causing crashes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15231#pullrequestreview-3759526094
21:22:41 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1469080817069457489/image.png?ex=69865ba0&is=69850a20&hm=ac96db77df13dffd01257649d169e259de4c29658c7b44279a523a8ff5c41a1c&
21:22:41 <xarick> these are still slightly optimistic results
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22:27:22 <xarick> i found a bug in 1.15 related to nearest hangar
22:27:52 <xarick> there's a delay the aircraft doesn't do anything.
22:27:57 <xarick> let me check 1.14
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22:30:01 <xarick> oh, it's also in 1.14
22:30:18 <xarick> maybe I'm making a fuss over nothing
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22:43:40 <rito12_51026> xarick: Is it related to #14610
22:47:26 <xarick> no, it's not related to that
22:48:14 <xarick> it's something I fixed years ago, which has this little delay
22:48:38 <xarick> i wasn't expecting it to happen on aircraft, but oh well... just a minor inconvenience
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23:18:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15231: Fix #15105: Czech townname generation causing crashes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15231#pullrequestreview-3759902080
23:20:29 <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1469110460497395804/image.png?ex=6986773c&is=698525bc&hm=e5e23606d110f6f26e439ab730591a35951a49369cf29b19a13b4555060eb9f5&
23:20:29 <xarick> heh, a yate haugan with 100% reliability, WormAI still trying to find routes with 1900 range...