IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2026-01-17
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04:44:59 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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10:32:08 <peter1138> Anyone for a 15.1 release?
11:27:16 <peter1138> Well, if they're not marked as backport-requested then they don't get backported :)
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12:50:46 <rito12_51026> Are desync errors expected in 15.0?
12:54:10 <_glx_> They are never expected
12:55:23 <rito12_51026> Where there any reported?
12:55:29 <_glx_> But IIRC there might be some known ones
12:57:47 <peter1138> If they're not on github, they're not reported.
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13:01:53 <marktheshark3209> there are quite regular desyncs, will try to get you a report
13:04:38 <peter1138> There is a fix in 15.1 for a groups bug which could cause desyncs.
13:05:30 <marktheshark3209> okay nice, should I try to get the report anyway or is it likely already fixed?
13:06:35 <peter1138> It might be something else.
13:07:13 <peter1138> Never assume someone else will do it.
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15:00:56 <peter1138> Hmm, segfault accessing w->left, enough though I tested w for nullptr earler :p
15:08:29 <Rubidium> so, w is garbage (not pointing to actually allocated memory)?
15:21:03 <peter1138> > signal SIGSEGV: address not mapped to object (fault address=0x42)
15:21:41 <peter1138> (Window *) 0x0000000000000002
15:21:50 <peter1138> Yeah, it's not nullptr, but also not valid.
15:24:20 <Rubidium> I was just about to suggest w being 2, given offsetof(Window, left) == 0x40
15:24:55 <peter1138> Anyway, w comes from `for (Window *w : Window::IterateFromFront())`
15:27:18 <LordAro> or perhaps one of the sanitizers
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17:29:52 <xarick> logarithmic scale graphs for openttd?
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19:05:59 <_zephyris> Man, I've forgotten so much French. Turns out living in Germany kinda pushes an other language out of your head.
19:18:05 <andythenorth> I have one space in my brain for "not English"
19:18:27 <andythenorth> so quite a lot of FrenSpanEutch
19:19:07 <andythenorth> Switzerland was **very ** confusing 😛
19:19:24 <LordAro> I can just about get by reading/listening to (simple) French. Can't speak/write it for anything (never could, even when I was in school)
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21:21:21 <_zephyris> So, mouse cursors are problematic on macs
21:21:38 <_zephyris> Mystery missing cursor
21:21:53 <_zephyris> One bug report, 3 agreeing in steam discussions
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21:36:35 <peter1138> So both double cursors and missing cursors?
21:38:34 <peter1138> I couldn't get the changelog script to do anything
21:43:08 <_zephyris> Initially missing then double
21:59:43 <_zephyris> OGFX2-specific problems would be very odd, but maybe an insight?
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22:15:51 <andythenorth> mouse cursor has been intermittently double on macs ever since I started playing OpenTTD
22:15:58 <andythenorth> I've never seen it disappear
22:17:05 <reldred> I’ve never seen it happen in my limited mac testing
22:28:00 <_zephyris> andythenorth: What base set are you using? I'm very suspicious of OGFX1 vs 2 differences, but might be worth a quick test.
22:36:22 <andythenorth> I use the original TTD base set
22:36:34 <andythenorth> I can repro the double cursor in full screen
22:39:03 <_zephyris> Any OGFX2 oddities?
22:41:22 <andythenorth> none that I can detect
22:43:45 <peter1138> Probably need to have HW acceleration enabled
22:47:12 <andythenorth> for clarity, I can repro the double cursor trivially, with all 3 sane base sets, and with or without HW acceleration
22:47:56 <andythenorth> in my case it requires full screen though, about which we have an issue somewhere
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22:49:36 <mmtunligit> HW accel seems like more trouble than its worth at this point...
22:49:45 <mmtunligit> though i also dont know what it does really
22:49:58 <andythenorth> last time I tested on macOS it was net negative
22:55:01 <reldred> I’ve never seen it work well
22:55:43 <reldred> On Windows, Linux, Macs, discrete GPU’s, embedded GPU’s, amd/intel/nvidia,
22:56:09 <reldred> I don’t know what problem it’s trying to solve or where it is applicable.
23:00:46 <_zephyris> So double cursor, but never a disappearing cursor?
23:01:05 <andythenorth> I've never seen the cursor disappear permanently
23:01:37 <_zephyris> Sounds like it's (probably) temporary, straight after game load.
23:01:56 <_zephyris> Some people are probably rage quitting before it ever appearing
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23:02:16 <osahonde> Guys do you know why nmlc closes immediately im new
23:02:37 <andythenorth> _zephyris: I don't see a cursor while newgrf scanning window is on the screen
23:02:49 <andythenorth> neither OS cursor, nor ours
23:02:50 <_zephyris> osahonde: You're better asking in Discord channel #add-on-development
23:03:40 <_zephyris> That was a challenging screenshot!
23:05:17 <_zephyris> Hmm, so some difference
23:09:21 <andythenorth> I tried a screen recording with Quicktime
23:09:31 <andythenorth> but that inserts the OS cursor to the video
23:09:56 <andythenorth> intended quirk of Quicktime screen record
23:15:58 <_zephyris> Useful and annoying
23:36:16 <peter1138> osahonde, you're probably trying to run it expecting a window to appear, but it's a command line program that requires arguments.
23:37:00 <osahonde> peter1138: It appears for 2 seconds then disappear
23:37:17 <peter1138> Open a command prompt then run it from there.
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