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00:07:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele opened pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406

00:18:34  <xarick> Copilot!

00:18:41  <xarick> a reviewer

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01:34:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] Su1phur opened issue #407: NML Generic ScriptError for track_type doesn't point to a NML line https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/407

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02:46:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] OpenCharlie opened pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868

02:55:57  <talltyler> I hate how I can never trust a PR from a new contributor. Did they just miss the commit naming convention, or is the entire thing AI slop?

02:55:57  <talltyler> Really hoping it’s the former, this looks like a nice improvement. 🙂

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03:01:43  <audigex> https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/commits?author=kaechele&since=2025-12-01&until=2025-12-08

03:01:43  <audigex> They've also contributed to grfcodec, by the looks of it. Doesn't preclude AI slop, but it's a rather different change and it doesn't look like a bot spamming out similar AI changes

03:02:51  <audigex> https://github.com/processing/processing4/pull/1204

03:02:51  <audigex> Their review here looks fairly legit too - too rude to be AI 😂

03:11:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 opened pull request #408: Fix #407: missing position for some action0 errors https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/408

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04:43:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/9e52df87ad5baef9092591bfe73209c65b0801fe

04:43:18  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)

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06:10:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14867: Codechange: Remove unnecessary 'core' includes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14867#pullrequestreview-3548928530

07:22:34  <rito12_51026> https://www.fsf.org/about/contact

07:22:34  <rito12_51026> Free Software Foundation has abandoned their office?

07:55:16  <_zephyris> For the PR description, the relevant screenshots with seeds is the giveaway that it's real. An AI's unlikely to try to give those, and would hallucinate them if it did, its not exactly going to fire up an instance of OpenTTD to make them.

08:02:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] Rito13 commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549142030

08:30:06  <peter1138> Blue all over the weather radar :s

08:31:27  <peter1138> Slop generally ignores the template, or messes it up.

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08:37:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #14867: Codechange: Remove unnecessary 'core' includes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14867

08:37:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 opened pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869

08:40:43  <peter1138> Hmm, rebasing #14188 requires reverting #14422. Pom te pom.

08:45:30  <andythenorth> peter1138: I have to go and be dutiful parent at u14s rugby 🌧️

08:45:55  <andythenorth> 😐

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08:58:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869#issuecomment-3621835098

09:01:17  <peter1138> andythenorth, that's ... lucky.

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09:03:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 opened pull request #14870: Codefix: Use proper widget type and update witgets properly. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14870

09:06:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14870: Codefix: Use proper widget type and update witgets properly. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14870#issuecomment-3621840571

09:11:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14870: Codefix: Use proper widget type and update witgets properly. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14870#pullrequestreview-3549178968

09:12:12  <peter1138> Hm.

09:20:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] mmtunligit updated pull request #14813: Add: User-defined groups for saved items in the picker window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14813

09:26:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869

09:30:55  <rito12_51026> michi_cc[d]: now it is 1,458 files

09:33:29  <peter1138> Jesus.

09:39:07  <peter1138> Where's your "Should I actually be doing that?" filter?

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09:43:47  <rito12_51026> I wanted to do that from beginning, but other files already contained the link instead of address

09:46:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869#issuecomment-3621867020

09:48:24  <Rubidium> it's actually one of the easier ones to review for its size :D

09:48:54  <reldred> hah, it made my webbrowser die a small death when I tried to scroll through it

09:48:56  <peter1138> Yeah, I'm just not keen on touching all those files.

09:50:58  <xarick> hi

09:58:22  <xarick> intellisense trips over script_list.hpp 🙁

09:59:06  <andythenorth> “Abbreviated  GPL notice in every source file” is my least favourite part of GPL

10:03:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] mmtunligit updated pull request #14813: Feature: User-defined collections of saved items in the picker window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14813

10:04:51  <peter1138> reldred, to be fair, Github will do that on anything these days.

10:07:46  <reldred> peter1138: must be all of that 40% of all their code they write with copilot

10:12:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869

10:16:36  <rito12_51026> Rubidium: It was probably easier to do than review. I have used python to replace links:

10:16:36  <rito12_51026> ```python

10:16:36  <rito12_51026> for name in list_files_walk("./"):

10:16:36  <rito12_51026> try:

10:16:36  <rito12_51026> with open(name, "r") as f:

10:16:37  <rito12_51026> s = f.read()

10:16:37  <rito12_51026> s = s.replace("<http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>", "<https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0>")

10:16:39  <rito12_51026> with open(name, "w") as f:

10:16:39  <rito12_51026> f.write(s)

10:16:41  <rito12_51026> except:

10:16:41  <rito12_51026> pass

10:16:43  <rito12_51026> _Wonders what some people would use these days._

10:19:12  <rito12_51026> reldred: You can clone the branch locally and diff it there, it shouldn't lag in the console

10:19:41  <reldred> rito12_51026: oh I'm not *that* morbidly curious

10:20:10  <peter1138> lol

10:20:14  <reldred> I just wanted to see what peter was upset about L:P

10:20:26  <rito12_51026> reldred: your loss

10:21:08  <Rubidium> rito12_51026: for i in `grep -R 'http://www.gnu.org/licenses/'|sed s/:.*//`; do sed -i 's@http://www.gnu.org/licenses/@https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0@' $i; done

10:21:32  <peter1138> fileshttps://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/easytodo.png

10:21:36  <peter1138> https://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/easytodo.png

10:21:59  <peter1138> there's a time and a place ;)

10:23:52  <Rubidium> though you would've missed one file as well :D

10:23:55  <peter1138> reldred, just a lot of files touched when the original PR, before it was updated, was just one file.

10:23:56  <rito12_51026> reldred: Although it does not lag in my browser, I'm able to scroll down to the end, all diffs except the last two ones are empty.

10:25:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869#pullrequestreview-3549207979

10:25:25  <rito12_51026> Rubidium: I'm not that familiar with grep and shell

10:26:58  <reldred> peter1138: just a little bit of scope creep 🤏

10:27:50  <peter1138> Rubidium, yeah, I could just do it without the <>, and risk having old-licences/gpl-2.0old-licenses/gpl-2.0old-licenses/gpl-2.0old-licenses/gpl2.0...

10:28:00  <peter1138> +-

10:29:29  <peter1138> Maybe I should go back to old-school vim again and forego the conveniences of codium.

10:30:29  <reldred> I started using codium but it seems to struggle with syntax highlighting C++, landscape.cpp in particular it just chokes on and thinks half the file is commented out.

10:30:53  <reldred> kde's basic text editor seemed to do a better job

10:31:04  <peter1138> It struggles with syntax highlighting with JGRPP, because JGRPP has some weird macros in places.

10:31:48  <peter1138> `SCOPE_INFO_FMT([&], "RunTileLoop: tile: {}x{}", TileX(tile), TileY(tile));`

10:31:58  <peter1138> These lines upset it.

10:34:02  <_zephyris> Wow, loading "files changed" for #14869 on Github really chugs.

10:34:12  <_zephyris> TBF my GPU and CPU are pegged at 100%, but still...

10:34:17  <reldred> _zephyris: Yeah it died for me

10:34:44  <reldred> well, firefox though it was my keepassxc extension crashing out but eh

10:34:47  <peter1138> > Only the first 1000 files are currently being shown. To see more, switch back to the classic page.

10:35:02  <peter1138> "It worked better in an older version"

10:36:28  <reldred> ah yes but did the older version deliver shareholder value

10:36:47  <peter1138> Didn't have enough "AI".

10:39:31  <peter1138> If the capture of SCOPE_INFO_FMT is an implicit `[&]`, instead of being a parameter of the macro, then the syntax highlighting doesn't break.

10:39:56  <peter1138> Given it's a debug function, implicit `[&]` probably isn't the worst thing in the world.

10:42:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] mmtunligit updated pull request #14813: Feature: User-defined collections of saved items in the picker window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14813

10:44:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PikkaBird opened issue #14871: [Crash]: Crash when building station under bridge https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14871

10:49:16  <peter1138> Hm

10:53:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #14871: [Crash]: Crash when building station under bridge https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14871

10:59:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PikkaBird commented on issue #14871: [Crash]: Crash when building station under bridge https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14871

11:03:26  <mmtunligit> what the hell is that graphics set

11:10:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #14871: [Crash]: Crash when building station under bridge https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14871

11:16:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #14872: Fix #14871, 80e58e751a: Possible crash when building NewGRF station under bridge. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14872

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11:25:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #14869: Doc: Update information for receiving a copy of GPL. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14869

11:25:52  <peter1138> "Clean rebuild" :p

11:28:03  <Rubidium> time to upgrade to the new major revision of your distro :D

11:29:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14872: Fix #14871, 80e58e751a: Possible crash when building NewGRF station under bridge. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14872#pullrequestreview-3549231488

11:33:17  <peter1138> Another one!?

11:33:55  <peter1138> I'm not sure I fancy using forky yet.

11:38:04  <jfkuayue> Should i meet peter.

11:38:36  <jfkuayue> Or i will be scouted

11:43:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14014: Add: clang-format file to simplify contributions and review. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14014#issuecomment-3621942964

11:51:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873

11:51:23  <peter1138> You'll be scouted?

11:53:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873#pullrequestreview-3549240131

11:53:30  <peter1138> Last time I committed someone else's work they, uh, left...

11:53:32  <peter1138> So um.

11:53:57  <peter1138> (Probably wasn't the last time. Actually was probably the first time.)

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11:59:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #14872: Fix #14871, 80e58e751a: Possible crash when building NewGRF station under bridge. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14872

11:59:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #14871: [Crash]: Crash when building station under bridge https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14871

11:59:28  <peter1138> Changelog out of date :o

11:59:41  <peter1138> (Maybe)

12:02:24  <jfkuayue> Oops

12:03:03  <jfkuayue> Shouted

12:03:16  <jfkuayue> But I think there is another more accurate word

12:03:17  <Rubidium> give it fixes a commit after the previous release, the changelog's not out of date

12:04:07  <jfkuayue> I started to think most people holding an umbrella in london today are short term foreign visitors.

12:04:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873#pullrequestreview-3549244329

12:07:25  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1447197806497628331/image.png?ex=6936bf7c&is=69356dfc&hm=de2659a999781406c5f06d2155cfc40fffec7b9bd7686a98751f6ebc85d3c193&

12:07:25  <xarick> funny benchmarks mr copilot gives me

12:07:44  <xarick> something about cache

12:07:52  <xarick> cpu cache

12:12:58  <xarick> oh, 1e6

12:17:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN dismissed a review for pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873#pullrequestreview-3549240131

12:17:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873

12:18:40  <peter1138> Another CI run :o

12:20:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #14870: Codefix: Use proper widget type and update widgets properly. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14870

12:21:41  <xarick> could lambdas be templated?

12:21:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #14870: Codefix: Use proper widget type and update widgets properly. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14870

12:32:24  <xarick> Cutoff 4: 0.418415s

12:32:24  <xarick> Cutoff 8: 0.417602s

12:32:24  <xarick> Cutoff 16: 0.412582s

12:32:24  <xarick> Cutoff 4: 0.412656s

12:32:24  <xarick> Cutoff 8: 0.426161s

12:32:25  <xarick> Cutoff 16: 0.411961s

12:32:25  <xarick> Cutoff 4: 0.422216s

12:32:27  <xarick> Cutoff 8: 0.412296s

12:32:27  <xarick> Cutoff 16: 0.41351s

12:32:29  <xarick> Cutoff 4: 0.425322s

12:32:29  <xarick> Cutoff 8: 0.436232s

12:32:31  <xarick> Cutoff 16: 0.428341s

12:32:31  <xarick> 😐

12:39:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 opened pull request #14874: Fix 92e895a: for crashed down trains. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14874

12:41:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549258922

12:42:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele updated pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406

12:42:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549259591

12:44:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549260478

12:50:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#issuecomment-3621991975

12:54:32  <peter1138> So, which of our tools would benefit from Turbo Vision? https://github.com/magiblot/tvision

13:07:58  <Rubidium> I can't really think of one

13:09:32  <peter1138> Yeah.

13:10:38  <peter1138> #14873 is ready again :o

13:10:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873#pullrequestreview-3549273595

13:10:43  <michi_cc[d]> I only ever played with Turbo Vision on Pascal anyway 😛

13:10:44  <peter1138> Hehe

13:10:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873

13:11:56  <peter1138> michi_cc[d], I never used its API (even if it was available) but did use it with Borland Pascal, indeed.

13:12:02  <peter1138> Like, the "IDE" :)

13:12:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14874: Fix 92e895a: don't force proceed crashed trains https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14874#pullrequestreview-3549275764

13:14:18  <Rubidium> anyone fancy approving https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14865 ?

13:15:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #14865: Update: Changelog for 15.0-RC1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14865#pullrequestreview-3549277237

13:19:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #14873: Codechange: Use attribute syntax for debug_inline, so clang-format understands it. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14873#pullrequestreview-3549279551

13:19:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #14874: Fix 92e895a: don't force proceed crashed trains https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14874

13:21:37  <michi_cc[d]> I'm setting up a website post now, unless someone else as one already written and ready.

13:22:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #14865: Update: Changelog for 15.0-RC1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14865

13:22:43  <LordAro> dammit, RB

13:22:48  <LordAro> i'm going through the changelog now

13:22:52  <LordAro> :)

13:23:25  <Rubidium> okay, I'll not press the branch/tag buttons yet :D

13:26:48  <digitalfox> For having OpenGFX2 by default isn’t 14866 required?

13:29:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #14865: Update: Changelog for 15.0-RC1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14865#pullrequestreview-3549279830

13:31:46  <peter1138> digitalfox, no, that's just what the CI uses when running unit tests.

13:32:13  <peter1138> (As far as I know.)

13:35:37  <jfkuayue> will 15.0 bring more change than 14.0, which was seen “the biggest change”

13:35:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc opened pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364

13:36:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc updated pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364

13:39:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro opened issue #14875: [Bug]: No documentation for new network public key feature https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14875

13:44:32  <andythenorth> hmm

13:44:48  <peter1138> Someone™ should write some documentation, I guess.

13:44:59  <andythenorth> is the AI/GS squirrel all compiled somehow before execution?

13:45:03  <andythenorth> or to put it another way

13:45:18  <andythenorth> could we execute arbitrary squirrel in a text prompt?

13:46:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] stormcone commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#pullrequestreview-3549292381

13:50:59  <peter1138> Hehe, the bit noticed is the spelling of notice :D

13:51:09  <peter1138> *typo

13:52:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3622104429

13:52:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc updated pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364

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14:02:23  <peter1138> jfkuayue, it's been so long I don't remember what's new :p

14:03:38  <Rubidium> LordAro: can you make a PR with the proposed changelog changes?

14:11:43  <jfkuayue> So long??

14:13:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #14813: Feature: User-defined collections of saved items in the picker window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14813#issuecomment-3622161069

14:14:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #14693: [Crash]: 2025/10/2 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14693

14:14:25  <LordAro> Rubidium: sorry, disappearing again now for a couple of hours :>

14:14:33  * LordAro is being super helpful today

14:15:50  <peter1138> I guess Reddit will roast us for not merging #14365...

14:20:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#pullrequestreview-3549314612

14:22:01  <talltyler> There are a few minor comments outstanding on #14365.

14:22:17  <peter1138> That's not the point :-)

14:26:36  <talltyler> I am a bit disappointed that #14469 hasn’t made it in. It adds a feature requested by players and fixes a bug (accidentally, via refactoring) which also gets brought up frequently by players. But I know asking for reviews has the opposite effect so `¯\_(ツ)_/¯`

14:27:25  <talltyler> “Frequently” I suppose is “frequently by the hardcore eyecandy players I talk to”

14:29:28  <andythenorth> 16.0 in 4 months?

14:34:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] Rito13 commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549331395

14:40:15  <peter1138> talltyler, rebasing usually gets attention without being explicit.

14:40:45  <peter1138> Just, not too often, heh.

14:41:20  <peter1138> If you can introduce a conflict so that it requires a rebase then you have a handy excuse too ;)

14:43:21  <peter1138> Ah, I can't force push to rtlsprites.

14:45:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] Rito13 commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549333368

14:48:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #14469: Feature: House placer mode to replace existing houses https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14469

14:48:08  <talltyler> 😛

14:50:28  <peter1138> Oh god so many merge conflicts.

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15:12:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] zephyris commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#pullrequestreview-3549349683

15:15:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#pullrequestreview-3549352888

15:18:11  <peter1138> Hm, and again, can't force push :/

15:18:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc updated pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364

15:19:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#pullrequestreview-3549357077

15:29:02  <LordAro> andythenorth: i'm still mildly tempted to say we should skip 15 altogether

15:29:37  <_zephyris> I can update the RC pic later, if useful

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15:33:03  <michi_cc[d]> Feel free if you want to. Gimp source is in the attached zip.

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15:37:05  <peter1138> LordAro, you can update all the specs that refer to version 15 if you want...

15:39:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro opened pull request #14876: Update: Improve wording of 15.0-RC1 changelog entries https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14876

15:40:08  <LordAro> peter1138: ;-;

15:40:17  <LordAro> well it wouldn't be wrong as such

15:40:34  <peter1138> Yeah, let's stick with 15.x. And then we can just release a 16.x sooner...

15:41:07  <LordAro> just do a minecraft (and everything else...) and change to the year

15:41:45  <digitalfox> _zephyris: What still needs to be done to get OpenGFX2 by default?

15:41:45  <digitalfox> I thought it was really close to happen 🥺

15:44:35  <michi_cc[d]> LordAro: OpenTTD Jolly Jumper? 😛

15:48:34  <peter1138> Well, OpenGFX2 0.8 still has missing sprites.

15:49:38  <peter1138> Hmm, no, I downloaded 0.8, but 0.7 is still being used.

15:51:35  <peter1138> _zephyris, The version in the .obg is still 7.

15:51:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#issuecomment-3622350504

15:52:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro updated pull request #14876: Update: Improve wording of 15.0-RC1 changelog entries https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14876

15:52:45  <LordAro> dammit.

15:53:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro updated pull request #14876: Update: Improve wording of 15.0-RC1 changelog entries https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14876

15:54:15  <peter1138> `obg.write(pad("version", pad_length, pad_left=False) + "= 7" + "\n")`

15:54:18  <peter1138> Seems a bit hardcoded?

15:55:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro opened pull request #14877: Fix #14863: [Script] Improve documentation for GetAPIVersion https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14877

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15:57:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] PeterN opened issue #222: Version in .obg file is hardcoded. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/issues/222

16:02:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] OpenCharlie updated pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868

16:07:22  <andythenorth> or do an Apple, and jump to nearly-the-year

16:07:28  <andythenorth> but not quite

16:07:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] OpenCharlie updated pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868

16:08:07  <Rubidium> andythenorth: maybe the MSVC versioning is even better :D

16:09:08  <andythenorth> 👀

16:09:41  <peter1138> Minecraft is going to use year-based versions next year.

16:09:42  <Rubidium> like 2022 version 17.14, 1944 and 14.44 all describe the same bundle

16:09:59  <peter1138> I'm not entirely against it, but I think we should stick with 15.0 this time.

16:10:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] OpenCharlie updated pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868

16:11:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] OpenCharlie updated pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868

16:11:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14876: Update: Improve wording of 15.0-RC1 changelog entries https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14876#pullrequestreview-3549388697

16:11:25  <digitalfox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1447259213918240948/nightly.png?ex=6936f8ad&is=6935a72d&hm=893cfeddce969b0a711ec145568ecc5fc72643ada42b172bc3d7f8c88f6946ad&

16:11:25  <digitalfox> I'm really glad to see version 15 finally getting close to release, it's been a long time coming.

16:11:25  <digitalfox> That said, having a warning front-and-center that any player testing the RC immediately runs into doesn’t feel right (just my opinion)

16:12:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14877: Fix #14863: [Script] Improve documentation for GetAPIVersion https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14877#pullrequestreview-3549390000

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16:28:24  <peter1138> digitalfox, that's the old opengfx, not opengfx2.

16:29:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] minchinweb commented on issue #14863: [Bug]: NoAI: GetAPIVersion only goes up to 1.11? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14863

16:30:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #14863: [Bug]: NoAI: GetAPIVersion only goes up to 1.11? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14863

16:30:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #14863: [Bug]: NoAI: GetAPIVersion only goes up to 1.11? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14863

16:31:19  <LordAro> hmm, maybe overly snarky

16:33:11  <peter1138> I don't see you comment.

16:33:19  <LordAro> i got rid of it :)

16:33:31  <LordAro> you'll have to check your emails :p

16:33:40  <peter1138> Ah, so it wasn't mine that was too snarky.

16:33:58  <peter1138> Heh

16:34:00  <LordAro> lol

16:34:21  <peter1138> Makes a change for me NOT to be snarky, you see.

16:42:29  <kuhnovic> Part of me wants to add a Spinal Tap reference to 14863

16:47:56  <Borg> lol first time Im using monorail engine w/ on wagon :D

16:48:05  <Borg> s/on /1 /

16:48:24  <Borg> production is so pathetetic (and its transfer too) anything more just waits too long

16:49:33  <Borg> but.. its still profitable :D

16:54:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#issuecomment-3622524426

16:54:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#issuecomment-3622524810

16:55:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #14876: Update: Improve wording of 15.0-RC1 changelog entries https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14876

16:55:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #14877: Fix #14863: [Script] Improve documentation for GetAPIVersion https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14877

16:55:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #14863: [Bug]: NoAI: GetAPIVersion only goes up to 1.11? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14863

16:56:54  <talltyler> I would support making an exception for #14365 to squeeze it into RC1.

16:57:11  <LordAro> aye

16:59:20  <talltyler> (also one last mention of #14469, I'm seeing weekly complaints about it from the small group of eyecandy players I talk with regularly 🙂 )

16:59:44  <talltyler> I will find some buttons to push/screenshots to update/text to review to make myself useful 🙂

17:00:33  <peter1138> Hmm, why is my MIDI not working :o

17:00:41  <talltyler> Ah, I'll update the news image to show off the new Toyland landscape tiles 🙂

17:02:13  <talltyler> Ah, we've already used that news image before, I will take a new one. We could show off wetlands 😄

17:02:41  <peter1138> Wettoylands?

17:02:56  <peter1138> I've not seen that yet, IIRC rivers are quite hard in toyland too.

17:04:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #14469: Feature: House placer mode to replace existing houses https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14469#pullrequestreview-3549422956

17:05:13  <talltyler> I really like arctic wetlands 🙂

17:05:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed issue #14479: [Bug]: Erroneous error when placing houses in the scenario editor https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14479

17:05:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #14469: Feature: House placer mode to replace existing houses https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14469

17:06:26  <LordAro> now the changelog is out of date

17:06:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #14469: Feature: House placer mode to replace existing houses https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14469#issuecomment-3622554775

17:06:49  <talltyler> I will update the changelog as soon as I finish this screenshot 🙂

17:09:03  <peter1138> Yeah, arctic wetlands are nice.

17:09:53  * peter1138 tries with a heightmap.

17:10:42  <peter1138> Hmm, that is... not a wetland, that's a really nice looking long river.

17:11:08  <talltyler> Another reason to maybe add wetland as a new water type is to let FIRS peak bog industries spawn near wetlands 🙂

17:11:15  <talltyler> *peat bog

17:11:17  <peter1138> Did we add heightmap-river support on the sly or something? :op

17:11:39  <talltyler> Heightmaps have had rivers as long as I can remember (which isn't very long, to be honest)

17:11:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] mmtunligit updated pull request #14813: Feature: User-defined collections of saved items in the picker window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14813

17:12:27  <peter1138> I mean baked-into.

17:12:51  <mmtunligit> heightmaps can have rivers? i remebeer some discussions about it but nothing concrete

17:12:54  <peter1138> Hmm, getting sealevel correct for the heightmap can be a pain.

17:14:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3622576757

17:16:57  <talltyler> Not baked in, no. some heightmap creators add sea-level rivers though.

17:17:12  <peter1138> That's a sea...

17:17:26  <talltyler> Yes 🙂

17:18:24  <peter1138> What I was alluding to, and you seemed to miss, was that it created a river that looked so cool that it might as well have been planned in the heightmap :)

17:19:02  <peter1138> Hmm, be nice if I could set the seed while loading a heightmap, to get the same features.

17:19:03  <talltyler> Ah, I took you too seriously 🙂

17:19:42  <peter1138> There's a problem with steep mountains, no rivers in that area.

17:20:23  <peter1138> Though, as a heightmap, doing erosion wouldn't make sense either.

17:21:10  <peter1138> Threshold for sealevel would be useful in some cases.

17:26:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #14878: Doc: Update 15.0-rc1 changelog with last-minute PRs https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14878

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17:30:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3622617750

17:31:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TheDude-gh closed pull request #14843: Add: New hotkeys for vehicle related control https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14843

17:31:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TheDude-gh updated pull request #14843: Add: New hotkeys for vehicle related control https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14843

17:31:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3622621851

17:36:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] OpenCharlie updated pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868

17:44:31  <andythenorth> I'm holding out for tile badges

17:45:15  <andythenorth> think it will be easier than arsing around with var 60

17:48:06  <talltyler> #13661?

17:50:14  <andythenorth> `Because this variable is likely to be expensive to evaluate, especially if testing multiple tiles, it should probably only be used rarely i.e. during construction or periodically, rather than in a graphics chain.`

17:56:58  <peter1138> The TileHasBadge_.* functions do feel like they could be part of TileProc tbh :)

17:57:14  <peter1138> I wrote the BridgeAbove TileProc stuff after that.

18:03:36  <andythenorth> wonder if we could proxy var 60 to badges 😛

18:06:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur updated pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365

18:12:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur updated pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365

18:20:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#issuecomment-3622793053

18:22:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#issuecomment-3622799128

18:26:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur updated pull request #14742: Feature: cocoa driver support for gamepad scrolling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14742

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18:37:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TheDude-gh opened pull request #14879: Add: New hotkeys for vehicle related control https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14879

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19:04:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #14742: Feature: cocoa driver support for gamepad scrolling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14742#pullrequestreview-3549504184

19:08:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14742: Feature: cocoa driver support for gamepad scrolling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14742#pullrequestreview-3549506383

19:12:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #14742: Feature: cocoa driver support for gamepad scrolling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14742#pullrequestreview-3549512538

19:20:15  <peter1138> Hm.

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19:42:05  <peter1138> Dropbox really enshittified s

19:43:21  <andythenorth> didn't it start there?

19:43:35  <andythenorth> I think it's gone on a circular journey

19:50:16  <peter1138> Well.

19:50:21  <peter1138> Have we branched yet?

19:53:22  <Rubidium> no, we miss a line in the changelog or a review on a PR (the changelog PR adds two features)

20:00:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#pullrequestreview-3549547636

20:04:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #14880: Doc: Update 15.0-rc1 changelog with last PR. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14880

20:12:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#pullrequestreview-3549556926

20:14:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #14880: Doc: Update 15.0-rc1 changelog with last PR. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14880#pullrequestreview-3549557747

20:14:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#pullrequestreview-3549557979

20:15:59  <andythenorth> 15.0 for christmas? 👀

20:16:28  <michi_cc[d]> Probably more like a chimney full of bug reports for chrismtas

20:16:38  <andythenorth> "ho ho ho"

20:28:24  <Rubidium> for what it's worth, I've got the release branch waiting to be rebased with the new opntitle

20:34:30  <peter1138> #14880 is just waiting for CodeQL.

20:42:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #14880: Doc: Update 15.0-rc1 changelog with last PR. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14880

20:44:38  <Rubidium> oh darn... I may not push the branch ;(

20:44:46  <peter1138> Hmm?

20:45:13  <Rubidium> `remote: error: GH013: Repository rule violations found for refs/heads/release/15.`

20:45:56  <peter1138> Hmm, create on gh first?

20:46:32  <peter1138> _glx_, please :)

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20:47:28  <Rubidium> I can't do it there either: `Repository rule violations found: 5 of 5 required status checks are expected.`

20:48:38  <peter1138> Hmm, does it need my merge to finish running the CI again?

20:48:38  <_glx_> maybe it's waiting for actions to finish

20:49:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #14881: Change #14155: Erato's the winner of the title game competition https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14881

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20:55:56  <peter1138> "Reeeeeeee"

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20:57:37  <_glx_> pff and of course annotation check is skipped on master

20:58:41  <Rubidium> and let me guess, that's one of the 5 required things to have run?

20:58:48  <_glx_> yeah

20:58:53  <peter1138> Heh

20:58:58  <_glx_> I disabled the check for creation

20:59:20  <_glx_> branch is created

21:01:19  <Rubidium> lovely... 14881 is retargeted and didn't have to restart the checks

21:02:29  <peter1138> Nice.

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21:13:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #14881: Change #14155: Erato's the winner of the title game competition https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14881#pullrequestreview-3549603615

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21:27:28  <peter1138> Originally CodeQL wasn't required to finish...

21:27:44  <peter1138> And I thought it would make sense if it did. Pom-te-pom.

21:29:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3623455410

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21:31:24  <Rubidium> peter1138: and it isn't even CodeQL that's delaying us now...

21:31:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #14882: Codechange: We are heading to 16 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14882

21:31:56  <peter1138> Hmm.

21:32:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #14883: Tracking PR: Disable asserts for 15.0 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14883

21:34:31  <michi_cc[d]> Emscripten CI run has finished, so I guess GitHub has some stuck info there 🙁

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21:35:34  <Rubidium> I reckon it's a configuration what checks are required for release branches

21:35:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed pull request #14878: Doc: Update 15.0-rc1 changelog with last-minute PRs https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14878

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21:36:15  <Rubidium> #14883 seems to be getting the same problem

21:37:38  <michi_cc[d]> Yeah, looks like it. #14882 doesn't have the Emscripten check listed. So some config needs to be changed for the branch.

21:37:59  <_glx_> looking at it

21:38:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3623474606

21:39:16  <_glx_> should be fine now

21:40:04  <michi_cc[d]> Just auto-merge doesn't trigger,, so need to do manual merge

21:40:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #14881: Change #14155: Erato's the winner of the title game competition https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14881

21:41:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur updated pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365

21:41:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#pullrequestreview-3549624256

21:42:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 created new tag: 15.0-RC1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/releases/tag/15.0-RC1

21:43:00  <michi_cc[d]> 🎉

21:43:30  <michi_cc[d]> GOG's probably going to fail again though, unless it magically fixed itself 🙁

21:43:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14882: Codechange: We are heading to 16 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14882#pullrequestreview-3549625408

21:44:13  <talltyler> I can make the Steam news post when I get home, along with an updated news image

21:44:43  <_glx_> GOG issue seem to be on GOG side, we are using the deprecated way

21:44:44  <talltyler> (I know we need to wait for the release to actually finish running on GH)

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21:52:09  <michi_cc[d]> talltyler: I have an updated image ready, but you can still make the Steam post 🙂

21:52:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur updated pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365

21:53:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#pullrequestreview-3549632973

21:56:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #364: Add: OpenTTD 15.0-rc1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/364#issuecomment-3623533352

21:56:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] janisozaur commented on pull request #14365: Feature: Gamepad viewport scrolling for Windows and Linux https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14365#issuecomment-3623534782

21:57:26  <michi_cc[d]> Anybody for double-checking and pre-approval of the website PR?

21:59:21  <michi_cc[d]> Well, failed anyway. Missing NSIS on arm64 runner 🙁

22:00:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] zephyris commented on issue #222: Version in .obg file is hardcoded. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/issues/222

22:01:20  <Rubidium> okay... that's it... I shouldn't be doing releases anymore. All releases I've done this month have failed to build due to stuff not working anymore...

22:01:50  <_zephyris> Who has permissions to change the Steam graphics depot, if that's the right termniology...

22:02:20  <_glx_> x64 failed too

22:02:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Release workflow was not successful https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/actions/runs/20010776608

22:02:47  <_glx_> this part has not been tested for a long time

22:02:57  <michi_cc[d]> I guess NSIS got removed from the runner images.

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22:04:16  <_glx_> https://github.com/actions/runner-images/pull/11037

22:04:27  <Rubidium> nah, NSIS didn't get removed... it wasn't added to the Windows 2025 runner

22:05:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on pull request #14868: Improved Water Edges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14868#pullrequestreview-3549615176

22:05:37  <peter1138> NSIS not needed for betas, or was that long enough ago that it this wasn't used yet?

22:06:18  <Rubidium> probably long enough ago

22:08:38  <michi_cc[d]> We use `windows-latest` in our CI, and the image it actually points to will change over time.

22:10:20  <peter1138> Okay, so how and where do we install nsis?

22:11:20  <michi_cc[d]> I google there's a GitHub action (https://github.com/marketplace/actions/install-nsis), but that's where my knowledge ends

22:12:01  <_glx_> <https://github.com/repolevedavaj/install-nsis/blob/main/action.yml> not super fan of these command lines

22:13:23  <peter1138> release-windows.yml I guess? Which is annoying as it's in the main repo...

22:14:21  <michi_cc[d]> There's also <https://github.com/marketplace/actions/install-nsis-compiler>, but that explicitly says no arm64

22:16:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #14882: Codechange: We are heading to 16 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14882

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22:19:13  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #14713: Feature: [Script] Allow Game Scripts to post news items with engine ID. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14713

22:19:34  <_glx_> ok seems there's an easy way

22:19:45  <peter1138> Pin to 2022 image? :)

22:20:49  <_glx_> no, I think we can install nsis via chocolatey

22:21:09  <jfkuayue> we are heading to 10!

22:21:17  <jfkuayue> *0x10

22:21:29  <rito12_51026> Are small changes to features added by 15.0 permitted after the feature freeze?

22:21:57  <_zephyris> I was going to say... we are on the way to 10! = 3,628,800, but that's a way off...

22:22:24  <michi_cc[d]> _glx_: NSIS is apparently also on winget, and that should also be on a 2025 runner, shouldn't it?

22:22:56  <_glx_> I don't know if winget is available, but choco is and we already use it for pandoc

22:25:13  <talltyler> rito12_51026: If it's a fix, yes.

22:33:00  <talltyler> Steam event is created and saved, ready to publish once the build is live.

22:39:01  <_zephyris> talltyler: Do you have access to the Steam buckets?

22:39:38  <talltyler> I am not sure, Steam gives me an error if I try to log into anything but the event page (which is what they call announcements)

22:39:49  <_zephyris> Lol

22:39:58  <talltyler> Which does not necessarily mean I do not 🙂

22:39:59  <_zephyris> I vaguely remember laments about the multiple Steam logins

22:40:25  <talltyler> TrueBrain and I had an adventure when I learned to post the beta3 announcement 🙂

22:41:30  <_zephyris> Working through TrueBrain's todo list here (https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/13747#issuecomment-2707502690) if you hadn't guessed.

22:41:47  <jfkuayue> how many people get to know and regularly play the game from steam?

22:42:05  <_zephyris> https://steamdb.info/app/1536610/charts/

22:42:32  <jfkuayue> That means, the people who, if openttd was not one steam, would not know it at all

22:42:45  <talltyler> We have no way to measure that 🙂

22:42:56  <_zephyris> But lots...

22:42:58  <talltyler> I guess we could do an actual survey

22:43:22  <_zephyris> get some focus groups

22:45:45  <_zephyris> Some new screenshots on there would be nice too, but bigger problems first

22:46:28  <talltyler> I would very much like to get new screenshots

22:46:59  <jfkuayue> but most "new screenshots" posted here are jgrpp

22:47:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #14884: Codefix 6f52a977a8: GRFConfigFlag was given enum class naming without being enum class. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14884

22:50:06  <talltyler> _zephyris: Looks like I do have access after all, I just need to use the Steam desktop client and not my browser.

22:50:57  <_zephyris> And that errors instead of being informative?

22:51:36  <_zephyris> Well, they only have 79 people working on Steam... (https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/13/24197477/valve-employs-few-hundred-people-payroll-redacted)

22:52:04  <_zephyris> If you're feeling confident, would make sense to try the ogfx2 deployment

22:52:27  <_zephyris> From TrueBrain's message, should be possible to target it only to new versions

22:52:33  <_zephyris> (and if you have time!)

22:52:47  <talltyler> I have time, will take it slow and see how far I can get 🙂

22:54:05  <jfkuayue> I am very amazed how small the staff groups of many "big companies" are

22:54:19  <jfkuayue> Discord and Duolingo just have a few hundred

22:54:33  <tabytac> jfkuayue: its possible to make a screenshot using JGRPP for building it, but not actually showing off JGRPP features in the screenshot like signals on bridges/2 track types on same tile

22:55:09  <talltyler> This seems so incredibly overcomplicated 🙂

22:55:09  <talltyler> https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading

22:55:10  <tabytac> a screenshot competition fo the website/steam page could be a good idea in the new year

22:55:33  <talltyler> I took most of the screenshots for the current Steam page 🙂

22:56:03  <talltyler> Specifically only using NewGRFs that I was able to verify have a GPL license, or could get permission from the creator.

22:56:53  <tabytac> ahh that would be complicated hmm

22:57:13  <tabytac> dont think ive actually looked at the screenshots as i played openttd before it was on steam

22:58:36  <talltyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1447361684493570168/depot.png?ex=6937581c&is=6936069c&hm=51dce2b03120d1e678d8c48e06ae3a564b12148a70a27ab0c8084e6a94354b90&

22:58:36  <talltyler> I wonder why Steam wants me to choose the Depot ID?

22:59:42  <talltyler> It's sequential after the Discord Integration plugins, ...38 is the next available ID and 39 is also free but leaves a gap.

23:03:52  <_glx_> testing changes in release workflow takes so much time

23:04:36  <talltyler> Okay, I've created the depot, now to figure out how to upload to it...

23:07:05  <talltyler> _zephyris: Can you point me to the zip file I can upload to the depot?

23:07:33  <_zephyris> https://cdn.openttd.org/opengfx2_classic-releases/0.8/

23:07:48  <_zephyris> The CDN works! 😉

23:08:46  <talltyler> `Error: ( Failure )` Wow, thanks Steam for the descriptive error

23:08:51  <_zephyris> Ugh

23:11:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #14885: Fix: [CI] Install NSIS for windows releases https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14885

23:12:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #14885: Fix: [CI] Install NSIS for windows releases https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14885

23:13:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #14885: Fix: [CI] Install NSIS for windows releases https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14885#pullrequestreview-3549697380

23:13:52  <talltyler> Almost every help post I've found on Discord, etc., is for the Steam SDK or command line tools. The only post for the web uploader says "don't use the web uploader." 🙄

23:16:40  <talltyler> I am in way over my head, probably best I stop now before I make a mess 🙂

23:16:45  <talltyler> Sorry _zephyris 🙂

23:17:10  <_zephyris> No worries, all part of the RC testing process

23:17:29  <_zephyris> Can't find problems until you try!

23:19:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #14884: Codefix 6f52a977a8: GRFConfigFlag was given enum class naming without being enum class. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14884#pullrequestreview-3549702150

23:25:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549707469

23:30:01  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1447369592472211507/image.png?ex=69375f79&is=69360df9&hm=b9a883de5e5f23bb8584e03b26cebe47ba8e525deff36052cb1aac00d3377bd4&

23:30:02  <xarick> omg, mister copilot keeps surprising me

23:33:30  <peter1138> That version of OpenGFX is wonky anyway due to the hardcoded value.

23:33:33  <peter1138> *version

23:34:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] kaechele commented on pull request #406: Cleanup: Replace license headers with SPDX identifiers https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/406#pullrequestreview-3549714792

23:36:41  <xarick> so my b+ tree is currently optimal for a B=64

23:36:51  <xarick> google's btree for 128-256

23:37:55  <xarick> I can't seem to beat google's

23:38:05  <xarick> except on iteration

23:38:14  <xarick> pirric victory

23:39:36  <xarick> but my iterators are dumb as heck, very fragile, need to keep them refreshed in the sorters by any tiny change

23:41:29  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1447372476173521046/image.png?ex=69376229&is=693610a9&hm=969af47120a8a891e5d0daf8467bb6505463d99a7435235288d0ad5980b0b701&

23:41:29  <xarick> random screenshot of the day

23:50:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #14885: Fix: [CI] Install NSIS for windows releases https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14885

23:54:48  <peter1138> Now the backport dance?

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