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01:00:26 <_jgr_> On the Hungarian FIRS bug, it looks to me like the issue was in the choice list handling in TranslateTTDPatchCodes
01:03:23 <_jgr_> It appears to be another 'helpful implicit conversion leads to dangling reference' type problem
01:04:23 <_jgr_> In any case it's already been tidied up
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04:38:01 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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12:01:17 <kuhnovic> peter1138: Drop it like it's hot!
12:17:52 <peter1138> I wish there was a better way to have containers of variable-but-common types than std::unique_ptr.
12:18:44 <peter1138> std::variant, almost, but you'd need visit each type instead of using virtual methods of the common base type.
12:19:00 <peter1138> Yeah, switching to C would allow all sorts of things.
12:27:36 <peter1138> Hmm, how do you de-authorise player from joining a company?
12:41:23 <talltyler> New disaster that takes out nearby vehicles? 😄
12:49:55 <peter1138> "Unidentified Flying Battery"
13:06:55 <peter1138> How do you make a button look pressed when it disappears immediately... :o
13:11:45 <peter1138> This is commonly handled by having buttons respond to buttons being released instead of being lowered.
13:28:29 <peter1138> Hmm, maybe I could just have one class but with a variant inside it.
13:45:19 <peter1138> Code is slightly more complex though.
13:50:03 <xarick> I can't build openttd with clang again 🙁
13:51:59 <_glx_> tried clean and rebuild ?
13:52:36 <_glx_> maybe also clear cmake cache
14:04:29 <xarick> where is the manifest file,
14:05:34 <xarick> tells me to use sxstrace.exe
14:06:56 <_glx_> manifest should be inside the exe
14:09:33 <_glx_> and in openttd repo it's in `os\windows`
14:18:24 <xarick> requestedExecutionLevel
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14:20:13 <_glx_> last change to manifest was 2 years ago
14:20:50 <xarick> Falha ao gerar o contexto de ativação para "E:\OpenTTD Visual Studio\SamuXarick\OpenTTD\out\install\x64-Clang-Release\openttd.exe". Erro no ficheiro de manifesto ou de política E:\OpenTTD Visual Studio\SamuXarick\OpenTTD\out\install\x64-Clang-Release\openttd.exe na linha 6. Falta o atributo level necessário no elemento requestedExecutionLevel.
14:21:51 <xarick> line 6 -> <requestedExecutionLevel level="asInvoker" uiAccess="false" />
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14:59:39 <xarick> gonna try delete vcpkg
15:00:08 <_glx_> it's not related to vcpkg, it's an issue with clang itself
15:02:20 <xarick> not the first time deleting it and downloading it again has solved me some issues
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15:23:21 <_glx_> anyway `clang-cl` is not the default compiler, so switch back to `cl` until the compiler is fixed
15:37:05 <_glx_> oh what's your build type ?
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15:44:17 <_glx_> `Debug` and `RelWithDebInfo` are not affected
15:44:45 <_glx_> and I just tested clang in `Release` and I get the error you have
15:47:02 <_glx_> so don't use `clang-cl` compiler or don't use `Release` or `MinSizeRel` build type
16:21:43 <xarick> build type is RelWithDebInfo
16:29:38 <_glx_> RelWithDebInfo is not affected by the issue in my tests, only Release
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16:49:35 <peter1138> Oh, it's not doing it twice, it's only hitting the fatal error in GLS_ACTIVATION.
16:59:30 <_glx_> it's so painful to read NFO coming from NML
17:02:47 <peter1138> For ERROR.grf, line 42 is reached which produces the error. The text is the same so it's hard to tell.
17:03:26 <peter1138> For FATAL.grf, line 42 is reached during reservation, and line 37 is hit during activation.
17:04:24 <peter1138> Was there something in the spec about skipping fatal errors...
17:04:40 <_glx_> anyway I can see a check for PASS being defined, and increase a counter if it's the case, then later the grf seem to define PASS
17:05:09 <_glx_> so depending on stage counter will show different result
17:08:20 <peter1138> Line 37 is only hit in Activation.
17:08:25 <peter1138> Line 42 is hit in Reservation.
17:08:39 <peter1138> So line 42 sets the error, as its the first error encountered.
17:08:46 <_glx_> so with fatal it stops, but with error it continues, adds the cargos and trigger warning in later stage
17:09:08 <peter1138> Then in activation, line 37 gets an error, which for ERROR.grf is ignored because an error is already set.
17:09:33 <peter1138> For FATAL.grf, the fatal error supercedes the non-fatal error, so you see the replaced error from line 37 instead.
17:09:58 <peter1138> Perhaps showing multiple errors would make it clearer.
17:10:31 <peter1138> I had a patch for that once but it was in the C-days and it was considered unnecessary as it needed manual arrays or linked-lists...
17:10:59 <_glx_> yup full nml source helps, and confirm my understanding of the nfo 🙂
17:15:48 <_glx_> anyway the nml seems to do nasty things 🙂
17:16:11 <peter1138> Probably, it's NML which people start treating as a programming language.
17:16:51 <_glx_> define a cargo then immediately disable it
17:22:15 <andythenorth[d]> NML may have overstepped the line in a few places 🙂
17:22:19 <andythenorth[d]> with dubious magic
17:23:54 <_glx_> I'm not talking about nmlc output here 😉
17:24:48 <jessicathegunlady> ~~gamescript nml support when~~
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17:28:18 <rito12_51026> _glx_: If I put cargo in an if bolck then custom icon does not work, e.g. it is replaced with the default goods icon.
17:33:52 <andythenorth[d]> Do I want to ask what the expected outcome is?
17:39:16 <rito12_51026> The expected outcome is to turn off the grf before it breaks ones loaded before it.
17:43:08 <andythenorth[d]> by detecting content in prior grfs?
17:47:10 <rito12_51026> Yep, I have a list of 227 cargo labels used in all grfs available on BaNaNaS
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17:54:17 <andythenorth[d]> and you want to disable the whole grf, not the content?
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17:58:22 <rito12_51026> andythenorth[d]: No, I have not
18:03:28 <rito12_51026> What would be the output of action7 for testing if the
18:03:28 <rito12_51026> current(the one calling the action7) grf is loaded?
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19:10:13 <andythenorth[d]> with FIRS I just maintain a list of grfs to disable against
19:11:02 <andythenorth[d]> it might be possible to do reliably with action 9....but it's possibly quite faceted
19:11:24 <andythenorth[d]> detecting content in a grf, then disabling a grf....is more complex
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20:05:06 <andythenorth[d]> what can I name the large logo livery?
20:05:30 <andythenorth[d]> I need to name the BR large logo livery
20:05:48 <andythenorth[d]> I wanted to call it "Age of the Train", but unfortunate Jimmy Saville connection
20:31:20 <andythenorth[d]> wrong channel andythenorth[d] 😛
20:36:25 <jessicathegunlady> Nah, we're developing a mechanic where you literally just play as BR, and there's a random disaster where you get privatised.
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21:22:25 <peter1138> 18:39 < rito12_51026> The expected outcome is to turn off the grf before it breaks ones loaded before it.
21:22:40 <peter1138> How does it break things that are already loaded?
21:23:32 <peter1138> Hmm, oh of course, I'm too use to dealing with railtypes and roadtypes recently :)
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22:03:38 <truebrain> Hmm, do we want to make a money grab? We got asked if we are willing to sell openttd.org by some kind of broker 😛
22:04:09 <jessicathegunlady> Oh hell yeah, I love money.
22:04:44 <jessicathegunlady> ~~divide the cash up per-commit by the devs, I'm sure nothing will go wrong~~
22:05:29 <jessicathegunlady> ~~what, multiply the cash per-dev?~~
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22:18:00 <dh1> instead of solving complex algorithm you have to deliver goods to prudinhattan
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