IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2025-08-18
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04:46:31 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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07:07:48 <DorpsGek> - Add: summary for week 33 of 2025 (by OpenTTD Survey)
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08:26:42 <reldred> What's he sooking about opengfx anyway? he's always using ttd base set in all of his cocktease pictures of canadian set
08:27:31 <reldred> I still don't think he's ever going to release that but whatever.
08:47:53 <_zephyris> Pretty sure I've made all those missing OGFX1 sprites anyway
08:49:14 <_zephyris> Ah, yeah, new NML version needed
09:33:11 <peter1138> That elevation profile :o
09:33:40 <LordAro> genuinely about 3k of flat across the whole thing
09:38:33 <peter1138> My elevation yesterday include a giant pot-hole and I now need a new wheel rim :-(
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09:43:30 <peter1138> Wondering if I should get it rebuilt or get new wheel(s). It was rebuilt a year or two ago with a new rim.
09:44:11 <kuhnovic> Can't you hammer that out? A piece of round wood (broom handle) and a hammer should do the trick. Unless it's hardened steel.
09:44:41 <kuhnovic> Well, "it's already fucked" ...
09:44:54 <LordAro> tolerances on road tyres usually wouldn't allow that regardless
09:45:38 <peter1138> It did actually hold air, fortunately, so I was able to get home.
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10:16:49 <peter1138> Excuse for new wheels, I guess...
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10:56:58 <kuhnovic> Leftover steak with chimichurri. Not a bad lunch.
10:59:05 <reldred> I had onigiri. Was nice, overpriced, but nice.
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11:32:03 <jfkuayue> I had some *suspicious stew*
13:46:05 <peter1138> I probably shouldn't look at forums either. Ah well.
13:47:45 <talltyler> Forums are like Camelot sometimes 🙂
14:15:11 <peter1138> Rust developers be like "just run `cargo install ...`"
14:15:32 <peter1138> Me: > sudo apt install cargo
14:15:41 <peter1138> After this operation, 793 MB of additional disk space will be used.
14:16:13 <peter1138> Who'd use binary builds anyway?
14:17:03 <dwfreed> don't you know you're supposed to use rustup and run the rust that literally came out 5 seconds ago
14:17:48 <dwfreed> (also that's the only rust that works with this codebase)
14:49:23 <peter1138> Ah yes, "download this shell script and run it"
14:52:23 <LordAro> that's an impressive amount of extras
14:52:34 <LordAro> what on earth is it pulling in?
14:53:33 <peter1138> Well, not actually clang-14, but llvm-14 and libclang stuff.
14:55:07 <dwfreed> on my laptop it's not so bad, but my laptop already has llvm for graphics reasons
14:55:25 <LordAro> i guess the difference is llvm vs llvm-14 ?
14:55:34 <LordAro> because cargo-from-repos is stuck with an older llvm?
14:55:38 <peter1138> Well, I have llvm-19 installed for clang-19, so.
14:55:47 <peter1138> And bits of llvm-15 are also installed.
14:55:58 <peter1138> Ah well, probably should update to trixie soon.
15:08:38 <peter1138> Okay, well rustup, apart from feeling completely alient to a Debian user, was a bit smaller to install.
15:09:03 <peter1138> Well, smaller to download. 1.3GB used :o
15:09:44 <peter1138> It said it was downloading around 140MB, so that expands quite a lot.
15:11:27 <peter1138> It does not like /tmp being non-executable :p
15:12:43 <LordAro> that's surprisingly common
15:14:07 <peter1138> Hmm, 736MiB of that installation is .html documentation.
15:14:35 <peter1138> Including a 3.5MB .js file, heh.
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15:27:17 <peter1138> 12MiB COPYRIGHT.html, sure.
15:27:30 <LordAro> this does feel excessive
15:27:39 <LordAro> which part of the rust stack is this?
15:30:21 <peter1138> Just the minimum required rust toolchain core.
15:31:12 <peter1138> Autogenerating documentation and files is great, but maybe sanity check things like why is it so large...
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15:32:30 <tony_pixel> Then it turns out they generate it 65 times in a row bc of an error
15:35:34 <tony_pixel> > the size grows from 27MB to 515MB.
15:35:34 <tony_pixel> Better than c++ huh
15:43:33 <peter1138> I dunno, but the documentation for the basic integer types is a 1MiB .html file each, which is also... nice.
15:45:11 <LordAro> tbf, the basic integer types do an awful lot more than they do in most other languages
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18:22:42 <yiffgirl> not to be one of those people but i really really love rust
18:23:47 <yiffgirl> it breaks a few conventions but you come around to that point of view fairly quickly
18:31:09 <peter1138> Hmm, do a approve a comment that is necroing a 15 year old post...
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18:58:38 <kuhnovic> It finally happened! Persistent menu's!
19:01:15 <kuhnovic> Not really, the old way still works
19:02:07 <kuhnovic> But there will still be pitchforks
19:02:19 <peter1138> Until someone decides we have too many options again ;)
19:03:02 <LordAro> could have a "common UI settings" page on the settings window, perhaps
19:03:19 <LordAro> the advanced settings are famously hard to navigate if you don't know what to look for
19:03:49 <kuhnovic> Did you try to get the black highlighting to follow the mouse btw?
19:04:02 <kuhnovic> (When hovering, not dragging)
19:06:18 <peter1138> No. In some cases a dropdown menu is used to show the current state of something.
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19:49:24 <peter1138> Have I got any more refactoring of stations-under-bridges to do...
20:11:56 <talltyler> Or should I yolo approve again, knowing you’ll fix whatever is broken/missed/can be improved upon?
20:12:15 <talltyler> “Test in production” etc…
20:14:45 <_glx_> typical stuff full of hard to think about corner cases
20:22:51 <peter1138> Like the roadstop stuff being limited to 6 tiles, because that's all that is needed.
20:23:48 <peter1138> Or... not. Apparently I already changed that :o
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21:22:41 <peter1138> talltyler, well, one difference from the bridge b
21:23:45 <peter1138> What I was going to write did not make sense anyway.
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