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00:03:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #14303: Codechange: [Script] Don't report multiple errors on valuator/filter failure https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14303



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04:49:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/e23a591a1e273db474dd25f7b7e81ddadbde9c75



04:49:32  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)



05:58:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Release workflow was not successful https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/actions/runs/15246916713



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07:24:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/survey-web] survey-summary[bot] pushed 1 commits to main https://github.com/OpenTTD/survey-web/commit/9a1b91ba46cdc497a87b74614a235de5ab12cfaa



07:24:44  <DorpsGek>   - Add: summary for week 21 of 2025 (by OpenTTD Survey)



07:24:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304



07:30:59  <andythenorth> well



07:31:13  <andythenorth> coffee?



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08:36:03  <xarick> hi



08:48:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Brickblock1 commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2908992197



08:53:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] WenSimEHRP commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2909001060



08:57:55  <kuhnovic> Did I already have one or two cups of coffee? I honestly don't remember



08:58:00  <kuhnovic> It must be monday



09:09:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ahyangyi commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2909024861



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09:36:07  <_zephyris> Hmm, quite a lot of spacebars



09:37:30  <_zephyris> Presumably it's also possible to detect baseset from baseset extra grf grfid?



09:58:36  <LordAro> i don't think there's any issues detecting the baseset itself



09:59:04  <LordAro> wait, no, that doesn't follow



10:00:04  <LordAro> basesets are entirely client side



10:06:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] reldred commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2909162561



11:23:39  <_zephyris> Yup, same problem.



11:28:48  <pickpacket> andythenorth: not coffee, no. Tea



11:29:30  <pickpacket> soooo... 15.0-beta3 when? Or 15.0 proper?



11:30:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2909403462



11:37:06  <_zephyris> So. Should NewGRFs be prevented from querying baseset identity/parameters, or should NewGRFs only be allowed to do desync-safe modifications based on baseset?



11:43:36  <pickpacket> _zephyris: let NewGRFs get info on parameters but not change them?



11:43:56  <andythenorth> not desync safe



11:44:15  <andythenorth> if it can be read in varact 2 and returned as a callback result



11:47:46  <_zephyris> There's not a very clean distinction of safe and unsafe.



11:48:09  <_zephyris> Action 7 and 9 skipping Action 5 and A is always OK.



12:05:33  <_zephyris> Other things can be, eg varaction2 only changing graphics, but gets messy/risky



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13:10:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ahyangyi commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2909706240



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15:37:42  <_zephyris> Are baseset extra newgrfs limited to just 'save' newgrf actions? Or is it trusted that baseset authors won't add features which could cause desyncs?



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15:59:02  <_glx_> hmm it's not loaded as static, but maybe it should



16:00:06  <_glx_> <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/gfxinit.cpp#L392> the `false` might be wrong



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17:18:43  <peter1138[d]> Heh



17:18:48  <peter1138[d]> Some worms eh?



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17:28:18  <andythenorth> Worms 2?



17:33:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #14305: Add: [Script] Framework for cloning selected ScriptObject https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14305



17:49:06  <_glx_> annoying compilers



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18:26:43  <peter1138[d]> If reading baseset parameters is allowable, then reading static GRF parameters is too.



18:28:04  <peter1138[d]> Maybe there's a way to test for "does this test affect only safe actions".



18:51:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #13536: Feature: Linux - Add native ALSA MIDI output support https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13536#issuecomment-2910451154



18:52:33  <peter1138[d]> ```#define snd_seq_ev_clear(ev) \



18:52:33  <peter1138[d]> memset(ev, 0, sizeof(snd_seq_event_t))```



18:52:36  <peter1138[d]> What an API...



18:55:01  <peter1138[d]> Also that 3rdparty midifile reader has compilation warnings too. And in theory is a bit redundant because we have our own anyway, although it's not nearly abstracted enough.



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18:56:16  <truebrain> old C-style header-files? 😄



19:00:16  <peter1138[d]> Well, it means those functions don't work because safeguards.h prevents it.



19:00:51  <peter1138[d]> And well, this PR needs a major spruce up anyway.



19:38:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #14305: Add: [Script] Framework for cloning selected ScriptObject https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14305



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20:25:28  <peter1138[d]> https://transfem.social/notes/a893gcxvf47q7pjo



20:25:33  <peter1138[d]> Nice



20:25:50  <peter1138[d]> People still playing with this 🙂



20:27:19  <peter1138[d]> 400x240 I believe.



20:29:33  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1376658541863243887/image.png?ex=683620ad&is=6834cf2d&hm=7781600bc473e5afdc37f4bd9292c205c65acec079476d5cb1557ec2942444b1&



20:29:33  <peter1138[d]> Doesn't quite fit...



20:30:17  <Heiki> actually the screenshots are 320×240



20:45:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #14306: Codechange: Remove terminator from airport tile lists. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14306



20:45:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #14302: Codefix: Effect vehicles don't use v->tile, so shouldn't be in the vehicle tile hash. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14302



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20:50:50  <_zephyris> peter1138[d]: I think a smarter check for "does this affect only safe answer" is the best answer... (I've been slowly thinking about it all day).



20:51:09  <_zephyris> Seems relatively fesible.



20:51:54  <_zephyris> Full check, no, no varaction2s checking base sets. But action 7/9 for skipping action 5/a, maybe.



20:52:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #14306: Codechange: Remove terminator from airport tile lists. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14306#pullrequestreview-2869146790



21:25:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris commented on pull request #14304: Fix: Prevent NewGRFs from reading parameters of graphics baseset. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14304#issuecomment-2910650077



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