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04:42:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/e4c04e86c0107457415080d03a977131d945045d
04:42:53 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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05:29:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Release workflow was not successful https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/actions/runs/10438019871
05:36:45 <_pruple> you broke it
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09:14:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] cetinbas opened issue #12902: [Crash]: Crash while adding cars to trains https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12902
09:20:31 <andythenorth> _pruple: probably FIRS did it
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11:19:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #12902: [Crash]: Crash while adding cars to trains https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12902
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13:09:40 <LordAro> andythenorth: defo firs
13:23:02 <peter1138> I hate that average speed drops so quickly :S
14:03:22 <LordAro> peter1138: such fast
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14:32:47 <_jgr_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1274737761605259405/20240818_153002.jpg?ex=66c3578d&is=66c2060d&hm=ac679ca75fcba2a2f8064c1ab96a07a6d1aaca2f99315b5be7b3994139f73fda&
14:32:47 <_jgr_> Had to cut short my ride today, technical difficulties...
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14:33:30 <_jgr_> More time for OpenTTD I suppose
14:33:44 <peter1138> That is less than optimal.
15:09:31 <andythenorth> what occurred to that tyre?
15:22:29 <peter1138> Age.
15:24:22 <johnfranklin> What's your average speed of cycling, without gearbox, on 0 degree steepness, and with no traffic light?
15:24:34 <peter1138> None of my bicycles have a gearbox.
15:24:47 <peter1138> They all have derailleur gears though.
15:25:46 <peter1138> (And a single-speed bike still has a gear ratio)
15:25:48 <andythenorth> mine have gearboxes
15:25:52 <andythenorth> mostly
15:26:05 <johnfranklin> I can only do at most 15 on average in those conditions
15:26:10 <johnfranklin> km/h
15:26:38 <andythenorth> I usually cycle at about 23 mph ish
15:26:44 <andythenorth> on the flat
15:26:47 <johnfranklin> strong
15:26:58 <andythenorth> no, I have 400% motor assist
15:27:01 <johnfranklin> That is nearly my max speed
15:27:12 <peter1138> 15 km/h is barely going.
15:28:25 <johnfranklin> I think I can only do 40 km/h on decline with low gear ratio (low gear ratio = higher max speed = lower acceleration, IIRC)
15:28:56 <andythenorth> hmm that 400% is overstated
15:29:00 <peter1138> 34 km/h today for me, but that was not flat (not very hilly but not flat either) and also with a bunch of other riders.
15:29:17 <andythenorth> the high end current bosch line has 340% assist on highest mode
15:29:21 <andythenorth> mine is 5 years old
15:29:23 <johnfranklin> You have speedometer?
15:29:28 <andythenorth> he has strava 😛
15:29:29 <peter1138> Normally "high gear ratio" refers to the highest gears.
15:29:46 <johnfranklin> I can only estimate
15:30:06 <johnfranklin> Oh, so it should be high gear ratio, 3/8
15:30:12 <andythenorth> I've clipped 50 mph coming off a hill
15:30:24 <andythenorth> quite sketchy on small tyres and a bouncy front fork
15:30:27 <johnfranklin> dangerous
15:31:09 <andythenorth> the assist doesn't work past a certain speed, so it was mostly gravity
15:31:21 <peter1138> I have a lot of gravity power at the moment.
15:31:30 <johnfranklin> What is assist? E-bikes?
15:31:33 <andythenorth> yes
15:31:39 <andythenorth> I would never go back
15:31:57 <peter1138> No use if you want to so 65 miles at 20 mph 🙂
15:33:05 <peter1138> In the MTB world E-MTB works better, cos you're generally going slower anyway.
15:33:31 <peter1138> And cargo bikes. They're good with electric assist.
15:33:54 <andythenorth> hmm yeah mine is 340% assist, bike shop said it was 400% but that's the cargo bike motor
15:33:57 <andythenorth> mine is not that
15:34:06 * andythenorth googling
15:34:08 <peter1138> And for people who just want to get from A to B, assist is good for them too.
15:34:27 <peter1138> If you're putting out 500W, 400% assist would need to be 2KW?
15:35:27 <andythenorth> plausible
15:36:04 <peter1138> E-assist is meant to top out at 250W
15:36:47 <peter1138> For UK EAPC regulations that is.
15:36:53 <andythenorth> https://www.bosch-ebike.com/en/products/drive-unit#c326873
15:37:01 <andythenorth> might be software regulated
15:37:04 <andythenorth> they're 250W continuous
15:37:08 <andythenorth> max is 600W
15:37:45 <andythenorth> TBH for performance around town it's the torque that's most fun
15:38:04 <andythenorth> there is a brief lag - half a pedal rotation
15:38:09 <andythenorth> then it's max torque
15:38:34 <andythenorth> mine does really well on mountain bike jump track
15:38:46 <andythenorth> even though it's 25 KG and has no rear suspension
15:38:55 <andythenorth> no airtime, but it just climbs the jumps
15:40:02 <andythenorth> (the jump track is very small)
15:40:25 <peter1138> I don't do jumps, I'm too old and don't want to break myself :p
15:41:53 <johnfranklin> In China e-bikes are overwhelming popular.
15:42:49 <johnfranklin> They are like e-motorbikes more. Even no padding these days.
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15:46:34 <andythenorth> twist-and-go is silly on a bike
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15:52:56 <peter1138> How can I make SVG look better?
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15:55:27 <andythenorth> pixels?
16:03:08 <peter1138> Something like that.
16:07:40 <peter1138> Seems to have warmed up.
16:09:24 <andythenorth> I have been in the outside
16:09:25 <andythenorth> it's nice
16:15:33 <peter1138> Hmm, I guess I want a version of the steam. diesel and electric icons in SVG form...
17:36:54 <peter1138> Well
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18:26:04 <audigex> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1274796476228435978/thumbnail_361df228df1bba41185354dcdb77faa75b46cd06.png?ex=66c38e3c&is=66c23cbc&hm=7b19840423fc6257368660896e666ac08a16b89ff35379bc3512a5a73f437130&
18:26:05 <audigex> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1274796476467515484/thumbnail_a8767f5b87d8f0a545bbd34a6a53ca277055ff25.png?ex=66c38e3c&is=66c23cbc&hm=d5a2f6df29011b090b398dd19cd9178edc8024efe1a1e733bbf8012316a3422e&
18:26:05 <audigex> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1274796476685615279/thumbnail_2d55fb13830d7f3d05fa59eb0bd2e5ea1a9e7eae.png?ex=66c38e3c&is=66c23cbc&hm=ac793c091856ce9318114197bda50f9c3f5096036c837cda01e9a8cc15e64427&
18:26:05 <audigex> noholo scaling in GIMP plus vectormagic.com gives these
18:26:22 <audigex> Gotta pay for the actual SVGs but I reckon with some tweaking that might give something viable
19:31:28 <peter1138> Well. Maybe.
20:13:20 <peter1138> I wonder if any town set actually uses PersistentStorage.
20:19:28 <andythenorth> I was going to use it in FIRS
20:19:31 <andythenorth> but then GS
20:21:45 <_pruple> I use it, for the population growth limiting and, in the future, for powerplant supply etc.
20:24:30 <andythenorth> I would use it if there were regions 😛
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21:25:39 <peter1138> In TaI?
21:31:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #12903: Codefix: Delete PersistentStorage when a town is deleted. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12903
21:31:34 <peter1138> 🤷‍♂️
21:34:57 <andythenorth> I would do electricity and stuff
21:35:16 <andythenorth> or industry location stuff
21:35:21 <andythenorth> dunno
21:35:26 <andythenorth> GS though
21:50:33 <_pruple> peter1138: yes, since I limit growth by %/year, I have to store the town population at the start of each year to compare the current pop against when deciding whether to allow the town to grow.
21:51:21 <_pruple> or more specifically, allowing a building to be built
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21:56:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #12903: Codefix: Delete PersistentStorage when a town is deleted. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12903#pullrequestreview-2244417470
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