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04:43:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/574ec4ede47be64f5a4e969c580d3286436b80a2
04:43:25 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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06:06:01 <andythenorth> hmm
06:06:11 <andythenorth> do we have a glyph for dice / die?
06:06:12 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272073567265230898/image.png?ex=66b9a654&is=66b854d4&hm=0df1e1cc73ff4caab2f5889074eed9c0ca02606f4c81d2a4f12d60cbd8980965&
06:06:34 <andythenorth> looking for an icon to put at the start of the string for randomised wagons
06:08:40 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272074187682615358/image.png?ex=66b9a6e8&is=66b85568&hm=8d68b726566feac4ea73980074c19e71d18ed134454ec4b5ce4afc681be15dee&
06:10:29 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272074643603325031/image.png?ex=66b9a755&is=66b855d5&hm=dbb9a77cc149e861bdbd88d31883c66ec9f65ad2d5b49b62d48dcc545f3c43cb&
06:10:29 <andythenorth> hmm
06:10:35 <andythenorth> TINYFONT
06:13:51 <andythenorth> this is quite neat, but I use 2x UI, and others might not
06:19:17 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272076858229522523/image.png?ex=66b9a965&is=66b857e5&hm=117283f3a1b2db8e75864dc91432d3b6b46b6d79b11f873a864dd749d76298ce&
06:19:17 <andythenorth> should variants all use TINYFONT?
06:21:46 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272077481611890770/image.png?ex=66b9a9f9&is=66b85879&hm=ea76b2ba3d27126176f7ccf1c55019cbcf509a328c9f20326bbab28a6d86c51b&
06:21:46 <andythenorth> it does improve the distinctness of variant parent vs. children
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07:04:48 <reldred> These all look various kinds of horrible to be honest
07:04:59 <reldred> Small text is kinda neat but I'm sure it's probably a bad idea
07:07:37 <gwyd4016> I agree
07:07:48 <gwyd4016> I've played with tiny text before and it's just a bad idea I feel
07:08:02 <gwyd4016> Could try colours maybe
07:08:26 <gwyd4016> (or just replace a random character with a dice glyph and hope nobody needs it)
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07:13:17 <andythenorth> text colours aren't highlighted white when a vehicle has focus
07:13:23 <andythenorth> (tried it already)
07:13:52 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272090595720040499/image.png?ex=66b9b630&is=66b864b0&hm=2d02efdb390581528e4875e2ba86461eceee42a296d1da696cd4b43970ad4a86&
07:13:52 <andythenorth> I think the train icon shows that an icon might work
07:13:59 <andythenorth> but eh
07:16:39 <andythenorth> hmm
07:16:41 <andythenorth> ` nmlc info: Concurrent spritegroups: 127/256 ("generated/iron-horse.nml", line 29079)`
07:16:47 <andythenorth> that's very improved now
07:17:47 <reldred> Don't really see why the symbols are necessary tbh
07:18:07 <reldred> the random dice are a little hard to see as an icon at 1x but they get the job done.
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07:49:28 <peter1138> 2x extra zoom dice?
07:54:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] PeterN approved pull request #333: Add: Support for station property 1E https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/333#pullrequestreview-2231759248
08:19:52 <andythenorth> peter1138: didn't we say they had to animate?
08:47:38 <peter1138> LLMs are great, so many autogenerated websites full of lies and bullshit.
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08:48:43 <merni> Not much different from earlier manually generated websites full of lies and bullshit
08:49:43 <andythenorth> just lower cost
08:49:46 <andythenorth> until the money runs out
08:49:51 <merni> Worse is how every website seems to want to add an AI "assistant" and push it down your throat
08:50:00 <merni> andythenorth: Or the electricity
08:51:26 <andythenorth> [~=]
08:52:02 <merni> Tbh I know a few humans who act remarkably LLM-like
08:53:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #12688: Codechange: Use vector for BmpData members, and pass by reference. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12688#pullrequestreview-2231771031
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10:01:12 <wensimehrp> merni: guessed it, must be JF's reactions
10:01:44 <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1272132838979932170/image.png?ex=66b9dd87&is=66b88c07&hm=424882bb83574239d2fffcda23edae1e477a112c15b102e106a28f16b9492ed7&
10:01:44 <peter1138> Total AI bullshit. That is not a thing.
10:08:04 <andythenorth> it's a neat problem, because it rapidly poisons the well
10:08:16 <andythenorth> when the source of truth is mostly the internet or text books
10:08:26 <andythenorth> and the internet and text books is produced by LLMs
10:08:51 <andythenorth> 'ideal'
10:09:14 <reldred> eats its own shit
10:09:27 <reldred> destroy the internet in the process
10:09:48 <reldred> starting to think we should just let it happen, let it all burn down
10:10:15 <reldred> then we end up with new internet 2.0 where we have to keep vigilently patrolling for and purging rogue AI's
10:10:33 <reldred> oh wait I've been playing too much cyberpunk again
10:10:43 <ahyangyi> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07566-y
10:13:07 <andythenorth> reldred: we are doing that no? πŸ˜›
10:13:24 <andythenorth> HorseGPT exists πŸ˜›
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10:51:01 <henrik> ptroo
10:51:11 <henrik> oh i have the wrong nick
10:51:38 <henrik> im NGC3982, but i dont really want to switch now because its the first time in forever i manage to get this actual nick before someone else
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12:04:36 <merni> wensimehrp: What?
12:06:31 <merni> peter1138: Well, it exists for other types of statement (like "create table") and exists for alter table in some other databases, so I can see even a human making such a mistake
12:15:33 <peter1138> A human would verify it before writing the article.
12:22:22 <ahyangyi> A human would fail to verify if they were too drunken or high
12:22:36 <ahyangyi> So, how sober are our AIs? πŸ˜›
12:32:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 merged pull request #333: Add: Support for station property 1E https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/333
12:45:40 <peter1138> Hmm, should I move the mixer to floating point?
12:58:20 <reldred> peter1138: are you sure about that
13:00:38 <_glx_> humans definitely write articles about how flat the earth is
13:01:38 <henrik> i work with ai
13:01:50 <henrik> there are so many, many services that do just that
13:02:42 <reldred> Oh we know, but humans are still perfectly capable and willing to write absolute horseshit and put it on the interwebs.
13:02:53 <henrik> yeah that doesnt help
13:04:40 <henrik> we investigated a corporation in the US that made a ai controlled program search and buy news-sounding domain names, creating a web site with quasi journalistic looks, spew out antisimetic articles and then post it on all the social media it could find
13:04:52 <henrik> all in one system, from one machine
13:05:02 <henrik> it was fascinating and equally horrible
13:06:43 <henrik> it was like 10k articles on 2k websites once it was shut down
13:18:59 <ahyangyi> reldred: I'm not sure which is more depressing: human is more capable than AIs at writing horseshit, or human is less capable
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17:29:39 <merni> peter1138: Really πŸ˜†
18:08:48 <peter1138> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/08/chatgpt-unexpectedly-began-speaking-in-a-users-cloned-voice-during-testing/
18:08:52 <peter1138> Nothing to see here...
18:31:36 <andythenorth> It’s a trillion dice in a box
18:31:59 <andythenorth> Trying to roll sixes
18:49:55 <peter1138> Hmm, decoding Opus sounds creates spikes on the game loop performance graph.
18:55:05 <peter1138> I guess it's only once per sound.
18:55:15 <peter1138> effect.
19:43:04 <peter1138> Well, threading that would cause more problems
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