IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2024-08-05
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04:42:54 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
05:48:54 <andythenorth> ^ we do tend to alphabetically sort cargos most places
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06:40:13 <peter1138> Hmm, I guess searching through a list of up to 16 entries is not horrible, but...
06:45:41 <peter1138> Or I can use cargoidcomparator and let std::map do the work, but... Meh.
07:13:54 <DorpsGek> - Add: summary for week 31 of 2024 (by OpenTTD Survey)
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07:36:04 <peter1138> Industry directory sorts by amount produced, hmm.
07:36:59 <andythenorth> peter1138: pitchfork
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08:05:13 <peter1138> Hmm, oil rigs are never created during map gen?
08:06:06 <kuhnovic> I believe there's a certain date after which they start to pop up on the map. Not sure if they're generated though...
08:06:29 <kuhnovic> You'd definitely expect them by the year 2000...
09:39:47 <reldred> They can randomly spawn after 1960 I believe
09:42:22 <emperorjake> I think it's 1967
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10:41:46 <peter1138> I think Firefox might be mis-rendering this outline...
10:42:19 <peter1138> Eh, well Chromium does the same :S
10:43:15 <peter1138> Ah, outline next to outline...
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12:50:58 <truebrain> bam, 80 dollar less AWS bill this month
12:51:01 <truebrain> now we are cracking
12:55:13 <truebrain> owh wait, I was looking wrong: 40 dollar less! Still, it is a clear difference, and that was only a partial month 🙂
12:56:30 <truebrain> you sound like you found us again after years of being away 😛
12:57:13 <LordAro> well it's been over a week
12:57:26 <truebrain> and we missed you immensely
12:58:48 <truebrain> so did you survive a week away?
12:59:07 <truebrain> it is hard without us, isn't it?
12:59:22 <LordAro> it was more the cycling 1500k tbh
12:59:40 <truebrain> 1500k, as in, 1,500,000 <something>? 😛
12:59:50 <truebrain> that is not impressive 😛
13:00:09 <truebrain> either he is just too lazy to write `km`, which is weird
13:00:15 <truebrain> or he is just weird
13:00:17 <truebrain> either way: he is weird 😄
13:00:33 <merni> "k" is a kind of regular terminology in the running/cycling world for some reason
13:00:36 <truebrain> but who was chasing you, that you did so much?
13:00:57 <truebrain> merni: yeah, sorry, my bad; I sometimes forget this is #bycycle-channel 🙂
13:01:11 <truebrain> without the typo, ofc
13:01:16 <peter1138> We use k because it looks more than miles...
13:01:32 <truebrain> those doing miles should just be punished
13:01:37 <truebrain> but why only k .. why not just km in that case?
13:01:43 <truebrain> I mean .. 1 letter more? Why?! WWWHHHYYY? 😛
13:01:53 <peter1138> We use km really, It's just LordAro is optimising.
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13:02:11 <merni> peter1138: Idk I've heard many people saying "I ran 10k" or whatever
13:02:14 <truebrain> and he forgot in what channel he tried to do that 😄
13:02:47 <truebrain> I can't imagine doing 1500km .. I can't even do 15km properly ...
13:02:53 <peter1138> But if he rides 1,000,000,000 do we call it billion-metres or giga-metres?
13:03:09 <peter1138> It's not like he did it all in one day.
13:03:15 <truebrain> peter1138: now you are asking the questions!
13:03:20 <peter1138> (It was 4.5 days...)
13:03:29 <merni> or thousand-million metres or milliard-metres :p
13:04:21 <truebrain> I have 12G euros on my account .. I still like that more than 12B
13:04:25 <LordAro> i mean, i generally use miles, but who's counting
13:04:25 <truebrain> so I vote for giga!
13:04:40 <truebrain> LordAro: well, you are counting, clearly
13:04:43 <truebrain> what a weird thing to say 😛
13:05:01 <peter1138> Makes my 350 miles over 6 days not that long ago pale into insignificance.
13:05:19 <truebrain> how many km is that?
13:05:20 <peter1138> (The middle 4 days were short, so yeah.)
13:05:43 <truebrain> and by context, clearly less than 1500
13:05:47 <truebrain> so we have that going for us 🙂
13:23:22 <gwyd4016> LordAro: Or 11.2M mars bars
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13:46:51 <peter1138> "Football pitches" is apparently some scale that is used...
13:47:15 <peter1138> Presumably by/for people who are into football.
13:49:56 <kuhnovic> Sounds cooler than hectometers
13:57:54 <dwfreed> in the US, "football fields" is a unit of measure
13:58:04 <dwfreed> 1 football field is 100 yards
13:58:33 <_glx_> not worse than all the other units
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14:00:57 <_glx_> at least they have a fixed length, not like the 90-120m of a football field
14:02:17 <dwfreed> There are several things about football (soccer) that are weird, like stoppage time
14:02:41 <_glx_> oh that one is kinda random 🙂
14:03:23 <_glx_> there's a minimum based on events during play, but it's not enforced
14:10:11 <gwyd4016> The fact that once time is over it just kinda stops when the ref feels like it is odd to me
14:10:18 <gwyd4016> Rugby is somewhat more consistent
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17:27:01 <peter1138> Thing that is meant to happen is now a bug?
17:55:30 <audigex> There's a debate whether it's a bug, or correct behaviour, or correct behaviour that could be handled better, or that a lack of use-case coverage creates situations which could be considered to be a bug
17:56:24 <audigex> To me, that isn't a bug as reported, but there are ways it could be improved for some use-cases that aren't well handled
17:57:27 <audigex> Eg it doesn't work well for multi-level nesting, that ends up quite hacky in some scenarios
17:58:33 <audigex> Personally I think we should just make it so explicit non-purchaseable "headers" can be entered into the list as separate items and used to organise the list. No idea how contentious that concept is, but my argument is "you don't have to use it"
18:00:20 <audigex> PeterNviaGitHub: Where can I make a request for something like a flag to make it NOT greyed out?
18:00:20 <audigex> Or is that gonna come down to "The game is gonna tell newGRF developers what they're allowed to do, deal with it" ?
18:00:36 <peter1138> You can't. It's greyed out because it's not purchaseable.
18:00:51 <audigex> Indeed. Where do I put in a feature request to be able to override that for my newGRF?
18:01:27 <audigex> I don't want it to be grey, because the user may think the whole item is unavailable (along with the child items)
18:01:58 <audigex> Ideal world: set a flag which makes it unpurchaseable, and when the user clicks on it it expands the child list instead
18:02:22 <peter1138> If you want a feature that adds separators or groups to the purchase list, work on that. Variants is not that feature.
18:03:37 <audigex> Why is it that oen person's use case gets variants added, another use case is ignored?
18:04:22 <audigex> If I made another feature, it would be IDENTICAL to variants except that the text would be black, this is genuinely silly
18:04:29 <_jgr_> Variants are already awkward enough without trying to shoehorn everything into them
18:04:36 <audigex> I literally want variants with black text for a disabled item... are we seriously saying that's impossible?
18:04:54 <audigex> Y'all hate livery refits, y'all hate when I try to use variants. Give a guy a break ffs
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18:11:59 <johnfranklin> I am currently living in the nearly same time zone with most openttd devs :p
18:13:51 <andythenorth> do I need to test 12894 or can someone just inspect the code? 😛
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19:10:01 <peter1138> Added screenshots if you doubt my sorting
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