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01:16:21 <johnfranklin[d]> WordPress is a mountain of sh*t.
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01:17:44 <johnfranklin> Changed personal website to manually typed HTML.
01:19:21 <johnfranklin> With a web-1.0-ish theme, I like that
01:48:14 <audigex> johnfranklin[d]: Yeah I’m VERY strongly of this opinion. It’s popular, but not good
01:48:14 <audigex> I’ll grant that it’s flexible but the architecture and especially database structure are truly horrible
01:48:42 <audigex> Plus it falls into the classic PHP trap of making it easy enough for people who don’t know what they’re doing to get themselves into real trouble
01:50:46 <johnfranklin> It may "suit" noobs, but once noobs learn more, they will regret
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04:28:50 <pickpacket> johnfranklin[d]: I've had very little to do with wp. It was enough to wish that I never have to deal with it again
04:30:11 <pickpacket> My own website is also plain html. Handwritten templates.
04:42:04 <pickpacket> peter1139: I'm really grateful that you're working on it. If you hadn't I would probably have started looking at it next week or so but I doubt I would have a PR ready until end of summer at the earliest
04:43:25 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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05:42:37 <johnfranklin[d]> Hello. I checked libottdadmin/enums.py and there is no EnumHelper. Strange...
06:04:23 <peter1139> Your ircbot probably needs an older version, it used to exist.
06:04:50 <johnfranklin[d]> Older version of what?
06:05:16 <peter1139> Or your ircbot needs updating.
06:06:26 <johnfranklin[d]> The plug-in “soap” is still using readme.txt and openedcoop devzone.
06:08:29 <peter1139> I was going to IF today but there's an almond croissant. Terrible.
06:12:20 <johnfranklin[d]> Specifically, fettuccine.
07:20:28 <silent_tempest> I can only conclude that the "int" keyword was in short supply in 2002...
07:22:12 <silent_tempest> Along with carriage returns, tabs, and curly braces... Man those must have been some dark times...
07:38:06 <peter1139> stdint came in C99, so for these ancient projects it was not a universal option.
07:42:06 <peter1139> So much traffic this time of day.
08:06:41 <pickpacket> it's midsummer eve here today
08:15:18 <reldred> it's fucken cold ere 😠
08:20:33 <LordAro> andythenorth: isn't that the same place as the last photo?
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08:28:12 <goddess_ishtar> reldred: southern hemisphere detected
08:28:52 <_glx_> Well it's only 16°C here
08:29:30 <goddess_ishtar> although you may also be like me and consider below 30°C to be freezing, that's also an option
08:30:01 <reldred> houses are rarely built appropriately for the climate in australia, especially not rental properties 💀
08:30:41 <goddess_ishtar> reldred: aussie climate is very swingy is it not?
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08:31:35 <brickblock19280> More than 20 is excessive
08:31:44 <reldred> in my state it can go from single digit lows in winter (negatives in the high country), to 40-50C in summer
08:32:17 <goddess_ishtar> I could never live in France then lmao
08:32:31 <reldred> in my state usually just low/mid single digit lows, worst we've seen in summer in the CBD was about 48/49C
08:33:04 <_glx_> Most houses don't have A/C so heat is a pain
08:33:29 <reldred> yeah we've got a pair of window rattlers, they are not great at all.
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08:33:55 <emperorjake> Still better than the portable ones with the hose
08:34:13 <reldred> I struggle more in winter than summer but that might have something to do with the doc thinking I've got rheumatoid arthritis 💀
08:34:30 <reldred> wooly socks and ugg boots mandatory season atm
08:34:33 <silent_tempest> It's 13 C here or 56 F as in F for Freedom Units 🇺🇸
08:34:55 <silent_tempest> Ugg boots really?
08:35:17 <peter1139> 18°C in the shade at the moment.
08:35:17 <reldred> we invented the damn things we can wear them whenever we want
08:35:38 <_glx_> And it's winter for you
08:35:49 <silent_tempest> Is it winter though?
08:36:01 <silent_tempest> It's late Spring still right?
08:36:07 <reldred> we're in the southern hemisphere
08:36:13 <silent_tempest> Right so late Fall.
08:36:44 <reldred> its cold, ergo, winter.
08:36:58 <silent_tempest> Cold is relative...
08:37:24 <silent_tempest> I'm not very good knowing what season it is but they do exist... Lol
08:37:49 <reldred> i've been in the swiss alps during a blizzard, and it was manageable because they don't build things like fucking idiots.
08:37:55 <_glx_> Seasons are broken here 🙂
08:38:01 <reldred> australians on the other hand build things like idiots
08:38:08 <_glx_> So much rain this spring
08:38:23 <goddess_ishtar> that's usually what happens in spring
08:38:43 <_glx_> Alternance of cold and hot
08:38:44 <peter1139> They actually don't exist, it's just a name applied to a period on a calendar.
08:39:02 <goddess_ishtar> here's there's been a surprising amount of thunderstorms
08:39:20 <silent_tempest> We're in our "Pretend this is a desert" time of year where I won't see rain for at least 4 more months. Probably 7 before it does anything but sprinkle
08:39:35 <_glx_> Flooding almost once a week in different regions
08:39:36 <silent_tempest> God I miss Thunder
08:39:49 <goddess_ishtar> have some of mine then
08:40:05 <silent_tempest> Lol I mean I love the sound
08:40:17 <silent_tempest> The only time it's happened here it was a dry thunderstorm...
08:40:23 <silent_tempest> I've never seen that before
08:40:51 <silent_tempest> It caused a huge wildfire in my favorite state park. :/
08:43:08 <silent_tempest> @LordAro Do you remember this:
08:43:20 <silent_tempest> I think I figure out how to get rid of those constants.
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08:44:12 <silent_tempest> Has " FT_UShort Lowest_Rec_PPEM;"
08:44:27 <silent_tempest> Which should work as a good font dependent minimum baseline
08:44:38 <silent_tempest> It's 8 for all of the OpenTTD fonts
08:46:52 <peter1139> Yes, that's entirely unrelated to our font sizes.
08:47:07 <silent_tempest> reldred: Building codes are hard... I've not spent a lot of time in Europe but I hate a lot I get to experience in the US...
08:59:46 <emperorjake> _glx_: Seasons start on the first of the month here, winter started on 1st of June
09:01:07 <reldred> winter begins whenever I deem it to be cold
09:12:19 <LordAro> silent_tempest: i recall that comment, but i'm not the one who knows anything about it, you'll need peter1139 for any details
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09:38:47 <andythenorth> LordAro: I am taking a photo at the same locations on different days
09:39:17 <andythenorth> obviously I should do that on Twitter not here, but it's got a river in it, so it's on-topic
09:39:44 <silent_tempest> Would that make Twitter go out of business faster?
09:40:32 <silent_tempest> LordAro: Okay but he's been ignoring me so honestly not sure what I can do now.
09:41:10 <peter1139> Twitter's mostly just Nazis and TERFs (not that there is much difference) now...
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09:41:37 <rumor_the_twin_goat> question;
09:41:37 <rumor_the_twin_goat> The text that is displayed on the main menu after I modify and compile is "OpenTTD <year month day>-master-<randomID which I guess is the build>"
09:41:37 <rumor_the_twin_goat> where is this in the source so that I may modify what is displayed here. I have looked but to no avail. I was pretty sure I found it once but I am back into modding my game and cant for the life of me find it
09:41:37 <rumor_the_twin_goat> Im guessing its variables but where to modify this...... no idea
09:42:48 <johnfranklin[d]> Hello. I still cannot figure out how to use server admin port outside of the server running openttd.
09:44:24 <johnfranklin[d]> I fixed all errors, now supybot on Server 1 can run Suds, but still cannot connect to Server 2 which runs openttd. I have set configures to correct IP.
09:44:41 <johnfranklin[d]> And correct port, correct admin password.
09:46:51 <andythenorth> in fact the picture has a river, a road, a rail line and a port and the sea (far in the background)
09:47:04 <andythenorth> only lacking a plane / helicopter, and a giant cat gif
09:48:34 <johnfranklin[d]> andythenorth: Where is Cliffton Suspension Bridge?
09:52:04 <peter1139> Check if the server is listening on the port, which address is listening. Check if you can connect locally on the server. Check if there's a firewall rule blocking it. Etc. Etc.
09:56:33 <peter1139> What are you trying to show with that?
09:57:03 <johnfranklin[d]> server is listening on the port... I don't know how to check, sorry
09:57:47 <peter1139> netstat -tlnp (there will be a load of ports, not just OpenTTD)
09:58:36 <johnfranklin[d]> there is 3977
09:59:19 <johnfranklin[d]> and `ping localhost` is successful
09:59:29 <peter1139> Okay, so that's step one...
10:00:54 <peter1139> if you have netcat installed you can do `nc -v localhost 3977`, and press ^C to exit.
10:01:12 <peter1139> If not you can do `telnet localhost 3977` and then press Ctrl-], then type quit to exit.
10:01:22 <peter1139> That will most likely succeed.
10:01:42 <peter1139> So the next trouble-shooting step is to do that from the host you are trying to run the admin client on.
10:01:57 <peter1139> (With the server's IP of course)
10:02:45 <johnfranklin[d]> Turned out I didn't permit outside access of 3977 in firewall setting
10:04:51 <peter1139> Maybe I should have that croissant...
10:05:27 <johnfranklin[d]> The bot is still not replying after `apconnect`.
10:09:50 <johnfranklin[d]> If I were right... this should be the IP address of the server running openttd.
10:13:30 <dwfreed> yes, but note that it can be set on a channel-specific basis, make sure you haven't overridden it by accident
10:14:01 <johnfranklin[d]> I have only one server...
10:16:16 <dwfreed> check the channel value with 'config channel #somechannel supybot.plugins.Suds.host' to make sure it's correct
10:16:55 <dwfreed> you may also just need to unload and reload the plugin
10:23:43 <rumor_the_twin_goat> rumor_the_twin_goat: never mind, I found it 😄
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10:33:38 <pickpacket> So many towns on this map... I've set up tram traffic in 207 towns and there's still probably 100 left
10:46:59 <_glx_> rumor_the_twin_goat: You're not supposed to modify that
10:56:54 <rumor_the_twin_goat> _glx_: oh im aware, but I just changed it for a private version of the game with some tweaks and changes that 3 people including myself use. I have no intention of releasing it or sharing it.
10:56:54 <rumor_the_twin_goat> I basically just made it reflect my own version of changes for my own use 😄
10:59:48 <_jgr_> I've finally got myself a newer/ better bike which actually works properly, and for a pretty decent price too
11:00:33 <_jgr_> I don't think I'll be catching up anywhere close to the pros here, but hopefully I'll be a bit more on it this summer 😛
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11:35:23 <andythenorth> johnfranklin[d]: in Clifton?
12:20:58 <pickpacket> Better luck tomorrow
12:26:05 <peter1139> I had breakfast at midday so no issue for me :D
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14:21:21 <johnfranklin[d]> I don't know why, still. These are all set.
14:48:33 <andythenorth> importantly I had lunch
14:48:38 <andythenorth> peter1138: it was a salad
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15:05:28 <peter1139> Anything is a salad right?
15:09:15 <peter1139> Hmm, Discord got slightly better, you can properly hide all the irrelevant channels instead of just collapsing them.
15:09:16 <Rubidium> it'd be a stretch... but yes, chips are a salad
15:09:32 <peter1139> Of course, IRC had that all long by just not /joining a channel.
15:23:16 <pickpacket> With every change discord gets slower and slower
15:24:08 <pickpacket> I can't use the gmail web interface on my laptop anymore, and discord is the second most bloated webapp I use.
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15:44:14 <peter1139> Hmm, tempted to switch up to the 100 mile ride tomorrow.
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16:18:34 <pickpacket> michi_cc: that was a nice read 🙂
16:52:52 <merni> > For example, in OpenTTD, trains can make a 45-degree turn on a single tile.
16:52:52 <merni> Someone hasn't found the 90 degree turns setting 😄
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17:32:25 <johnfranklin[d]> peter1139: Where the hell is the long ride, London to Birmingham? 😮
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17:36:26 <peter1139> No. Day rides tend to be circular. It's easy to rack up 100 miles doing one big circle.
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17:40:51 <johnfranklin[d]> 100 miles is… something I cannot imagine
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17:42:01 <johnfranklin[d]> The longest bike ride I have ever done… <10 km.
18:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that isn't really much of a distance...
18:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> my last bike ride was about 30km (but we took the train back)
18:03:09 <pickpacket> johnfranklin[d]: relax, "miles" is one of those weird measurements that could be anything. A mile is probably something like ten thousand triple-fathoms per gallon ounce or whatever
18:06:20 <pickpacket> Just say that you usually bike 431 milepounds. Everyone will nod and smile and pretend they know what you're talking about because nobody wants to appear dumb 😉
18:07:05 <Rubidium> oh, I thought a mile way about 1 kilosmoot
18:07:08 <goddess_ishtar> milepounds? in this country we use civilised units
18:07:23 <goddess_ishtar> metregrammes obviously
18:09:34 <pickpacket> Rubidium: see that's what I mean. No ody really knows! Could be three and a half fahrenfeet for all I know
18:59:04 <silent_tempest> truebrain: did you see:
19:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause> goddess_ishtar: you assume "pound" is a weight unit? quite a stretch.
19:08:55 <ahym> pounds aren't real they can't hurt you
19:22:10 <_glx_> oh in a slingshot they could
19:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, "pound" was redefined to be 500g
19:34:23 <peter1139> How much is a German pint?
19:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure that there's a matching unit for that.
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19:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "one beer" might net you 0,2l in one area, and 1l in another.
19:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> often you have a distinction between a "small beer" and a "large beer"
19:39:24 <Eddi|zuHause> around here, that's usually 0,3l and 0,5l
19:45:00 <_glx_> Eddi|zuHause: same in France
19:45:16 <_glx_> half pound of butter is quite common
19:54:27 <andythenorth> how many pounds was lunch?
19:54:33 <andythenorth> how many lbs is my MBP?
19:57:43 <pickpacket> andythenorth: probably a 7 gigapound cpu
19:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> my lunch was around 16€?
19:59:43 <_glx_> MBP is clearly too much pounds for its electronic
20:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what's going on here? fraternisation between games? :p
20:05:06 <andythenorth> does COI have conveyors?
20:05:56 <andythenorth> does have cargo icons though 😄
20:07:56 <andythenorth> "trains can do pipes"
20:08:40 <peter1139> They're all just piles of white powder.
20:26:59 <goddess_ishtar> michi_cc: new feature request then
20:27:07 <goddess_ishtar> make FactoriOTTD a reality instead of an insult
20:28:50 <andythenorth> What would I call a pipe grf?
20:29:20 <goddess_ishtar> "A Series of- damnit
20:29:25 <goddess_ishtar> Peter had the same idea as me
20:33:18 <andythenorth> I want to call it 'Tremors' but nobody else will get that
20:34:12 <andythenorth> pipe is probably best as a road type?
20:36:03 <goddess_ishtar> I keep expecting someone to make a Musk-style "autonomous pods" gadgetbahn as a road type with insane speed but low reliability, low capacity, high running costs, and other restrictions that make them borderline useless for practical shipping
20:36:40 <goddess_ishtar> It has to include the word "loop" in the name too
20:37:01 <andythenorth> pods are not new 😛
20:37:47 <goddess_ishtar> A Pacer can hold *slightly* more people than a Tesla sports car in a tunnel :p
20:38:17 <goddess_ishtar> andythenorth: I think I remember seeing that film vaguely
20:38:24 <andythenorth> has anyone told the pod people that we already have pods, and they don't even need rails?
20:38:33 <andythenorth> obviously they don't drive themselves yet
20:38:54 <goddess_ishtar> andythenorth: That's not futuristic enough
20:39:11 <goddess_ishtar> andythenorth: "the pod people" lmao I need to use that
20:39:36 <goddess_ishtar> You'd have to be an alien to think it's a good idea
20:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is distinguishing a pod from a {car, bus, railcar, train, random novelty vehicle}?
20:47:20 <goddess_ishtar> the short answer is nothing
20:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's just a buzzword you slap onto your gadgetbahn to sell it to investors?
20:48:02 <goddess_ishtar> the longer answer is that it looks like a CGI render, has a quarter of the capacity it should, and is usually self-driving
20:48:07 <goddess_ishtar> or supposed to be
20:48:11 <goddess_ishtar> Eddi|zuHause: Pretty much
20:48:25 <andythenorth> and pods may or may not need dedicated infra
20:48:36 <andythenorth> some pods are capable of connecting together to form 'trains'
20:48:37 <goddess_ishtar> never mind the fact that trains are large because economies of scale encourage it
20:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well, pretty much every transport type works better with dedicated infrastructure
20:48:58 <goddess_ishtar> we need individualised transportation so that we don't need to ride with other people
20:49:05 <andythenorth> peter1138: uses a pod with 2 wheels for that
20:49:21 <andythenorth> I have an electric bipod
20:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how does that shield you from the other people?
20:49:58 <goddess_ishtar> I use a quadpod powered by internal combustion engines for that
20:50:15 <andythenorth> I have a pod like the one I posted above
20:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't say "internal combustion engine" anymore.
20:50:40 <andythenorth> he said 'engines'
20:50:46 <andythenorth> he has plural engines
20:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that may be if you count each piston separately :p
20:51:52 <goddess_ishtar> andythenorth: *she
20:54:47 <goddess_ishtar> it's fine, I've gotten used to nobody looking at my pronouns anyway
20:54:57 <goddess_ishtar> Turns out women do exist on the internet :p
20:55:37 <andythenorth> I normally avoid he / she instead of assuming 😛
20:59:27 <pickpacket> goddess_ishtar: "women" as in female bots? Or are you saying that non-bots are on the internet?
20:59:56 <pickpacket> Wait... Are some of you all *not* bots?
21:01:00 <goddess_ishtar> andythenorth: a lot of the time I see pods being used for a system that would just be flat-out more efficient as a train
21:01:18 <goddess_ishtar> pickpacket: you got me, I'm a gynoid
21:01:55 <peter1139> I don't know what version of 'Leather Goddesses of Phobos' andythenorth used to play, but goddess does tend to imply woman :)
21:02:12 <pickpacket> *phew* I don't know what I would do if there were organic beings in here. Would be so awkward
21:03:44 <pickpacket> Uhm. What? Erh. I'm all digital. Pure bred code. Are you saying you're one of those organic thingies with a pulse?
21:06:27 <goddess_ishtar> pickpacket: who pays for your OpenAI credits?
21:08:27 <pickpacket> goddess_ishtar: I don't have access to that sort of information. I know I'm not an OpenAI creation, though, because I was around way before them. Honestly I think I'm more or less a huge self-aware regex
21:13:59 <goddess_ishtar> I'm just a pretrained neural network
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23:35:32 <silent_tempest> What's the openTTD config file called again?
23:35:54 <silent_tempest> Where is it in on Linux? I thought it was in ~/.local/share/openttd but I don't see anything in there
23:36:03 <silent_tempest> Well no config files I mean
23:38:19 <silent_tempest> Okay I found it.
23:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> dunno if it changed, but mine is in ~/.openttd
23:38:46 <silent_tempest> ~/.config/openttd/openttd.cfg
23:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember something about xdg conforming paths
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