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05:03:06  <andythenorth> hmm



05:03:27  <andythenorth> I want to try player-funded production increases at industries



05:03:38  <andythenorth> this can be done in GS, but the UI will suck



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05:07:58  <merni> PeterNviaGitHub: Wait, is this how progress bars work in other applications with RTL?



05:08:01  <merni> Do they reverse direction?



05:08:11  <merni> I never thought of that 😆



05:10:24  <Ox7C5> merni: In my experience, there's a good mix. Some will keep the progressbar LTR and only do text RTL, while some go full RTL.



05:11:12  <Ox7C5> I used to work in localization QA and according to my RTL colleagues, it didn't matter which one it was, as long as it was consistent



05:12:30  <merni> makes sense



05:16:58  <andythenorth> wonder if OpenTTD supports industry var A7 https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Industries#Industry_founder_information_.28A7.29



05:18:56  <andythenorth> industries also have var 0x45 https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Industries#Player_info_.2845.29



05:20:17  <andythenorth> 0x45 seems to include the same founder value as 0xA7



05:22:21  <andythenorth> GS doesn't have this var, maybe I can patch that



05:46:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 opened issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



05:53:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



06:02:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 commented on issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



06:04:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 commented on issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



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07:57:39  <peter1138> Oh, redefining cargo slots. Hmm.



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08:00:31  <merni> > Steps to reproduce



08:00:31  <merni> >



08:00:31  <merni> > Play the game!



08:00:31  <merni> Evidently not.



08:21:08  <andythenorth> grfs using not labels?



08:21:41  <andythenorth> was it lunch yet?



08:21:51  <peter1138> GRF is using labels, but expects default industries to use cargo by slot.



08:22:07  <peter1138> (Which used to be the case)



08:24:39  <peter1138> Hmm, so does ECS move WOOD...



08:25:02  <peter1138> And what is "Wood Products" anyway.



08:25:45  <andythenorth> there's a helpful table on the wiki



08:25:46  <andythenorth> 😛



08:25:49  <andythenorth> (grf wiki)



08:29:09  <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1242393735170621450/image.png?ex=664dacd5&is=664c5b55&hm=8c1e0b67602ca6f0eede3f70b48ebce537d58ac168a725900c03a72ce34393a1&



08:29:09  <peter1138> Uh, well...



08:31:19  <_glx_> Could be 14.0 only



08:31:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] flowprint updated pull request #12683: Fix: Timetable precision https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12683



08:33:47  <peter1138> Nope.



08:36:44  <peter1138> Oh, maybe it's tile acceptance



08:38:17  <andythenorth> definitely lunch time I think



08:40:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



08:40:36  <peter1138> Good call glx.



08:40:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton opened pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Made saving message appear when actually starting to save, and finished saving messages appear when saving is actually done. These messages also now appear during non-console saving. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707



08:43:49  <peter1138> The longest commit title.



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08:50:51  <peter1138> So, std::filesystem::path on Windows (which is wchar) when the locale is to CP-UTF8... sounds like a good recipe for fun.



08:52:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton updated pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707



08:52:38  <andythenorth> salmon on toast



08:52:40  <andythenorth> brunch?



08:52:48  <andythenorth> should have added scrambled eggs eh



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09:13:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton updated pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707



09:27:41  <peter1138> merni: "Maybe", my search mostly found web-based controls that can be set up for RTL. I imagine supporting RTL in browsers is more common than native programs even considering it.



09:33:28  <peter1138> The survey results don't show anyone using an RTL language (would be hidden in 0.2% "(other)")



10:03:11  <Eddi|zuHause> that means it's safe to remove this feature? :p



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10:28:33  <John_Franklin> meal?



10:32:00  <John_Franklin> What decides the cat appearance/colour of the IRC bot avatar?



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10:46:57  <pickpacket> I really wanna see these pixelated naked people now 😂 https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=91705 Anyone has a link to pics?



10:51:03  <peter1138> You can download it yourself.



11:03:49  <pickpacket> peter1138: I'm at work :/ I'd have to wait several hours



11:07:21  <pickpacket> ah! Found it



11:36:28  <emperorjake> pickpacket: http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/lv.html



11:37:27  <kuhnovic> Ah too bad, not 32bpp



11:38:17  <emperorjake> This set predates 32bpp



11:38:26  <emperorjake> and articulated road vehicles



11:40:53  <peter1138> And widescreen monitors.



11:58:35  <andythenorth> and good taste 😛



12:25:53  <peter1138> Hmm, Mac OS specific text box stuff :S



12:33:38  <andythenorth> sorry



12:35:03  <andythenorth> is the grf wiki sad for everyone or just me?



12:35:16  <andythenorth> it's very slow to render, like it's cold cache, or as though the site is being heavily crawled



12:36:54  <peter1138> It is slow.



12:37:01  <peter1138> Been slow on and off.



12:37:06  <peter1138> Migrate to a truewiki?



12:38:11  <peter1138> My Soreen is as the stage of becoming a tiny solid lump



12:38:47  <LordAro> they do that



12:39:00  <LordAro> i've got a box of 10 from a week ago i've not even opened yet



12:41:30  <peter1138> Heh



12:44:46  <peter1138> Ah, my compose key does not work in the native Discord app, only in the browser :S



12:44:59  <LordAro> "native"



12:45:07  <peter1138> Quite.



12:45:35  <peter1138> Yeah, it doesn't work in Chrome either.



12:45:38  <peter1138> "Funny that."



12:45:52  <peter1138> Fucking state of computers in 2024, eh?



12:49:38  <andythenorth> ask GPT



12:50:11  <peter1138> I mean, it's not often I need to type →.



12:50:19  <andythenorth> I type it often



12:50:20  <andythenorth> not



12:52:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i think twitch automatically replaces ->



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13:43:22  <peter1138> Now sure how Twitch is relevant 🙂



14:10:17  <Eddi|zuHause> how is anything relevant?



14:20:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 commented on issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



14:22:09  <peter1138> lol



14:22:13  <LordAro> well



14:22:17  <peter1138> Speaking of relevance...



14:25:13  <Eddi|zuHause> hijacking a bug report for a completely different topic?



14:31:18  <_glx_> well we have hostile takeover for the first thing



14:31:36  <_glx_> and newgrf for the second



14:32:37  <Eddi|zuHause> yes



14:33:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i'll try to reply



14:37:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



14:39:34  <Eddi|zuHause> didn't we want to charge money for feature requests that can be replied with "this feature already exists"? :p



15:06:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Moth-Tolias commented on pull request #6848: Feature : New Trees Placement Algorithm "Forest". https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6848#issuecomment-2122849660



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15:07:17  <yiffgirl> yea



15:08:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #6848: Feature : New Trees Placement Algorithm "Forest". https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6848#issuecomment-2122853079



15:16:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Moth-Tolias commented on pull request #6848: Feature : New Trees Placement Algorithm "Forest". https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6848#issuecomment-2122869410



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15:34:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #12706: Paper mill set to accept wrong cargo[Bug]:  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12706



15:36:25  <audigex> kuhnovic: 32bpp only changes the colours, tbf... presumably you want a 4x zoom version?



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16:16:04  <andythenorth> can GS plant houses yet?



16:16:29  <andythenorth> I am dicking around with ideas to manage town *growth* from GS, so my map ends up with some nice variety of towns for gameplay / storytelling reasons



16:16:42  <andythenorth> but then again....the GS could just modify towns at map gen time



16:22:36  <_jgr_> The new house placement stuff ought to make adding something along those lines much easier



16:23:48  <andythenorth> there's some stuff about 'town grf controls the houses'



16:23:52  <andythenorth> but I'm sure it's all fine



16:26:51  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1242513951435001856/image.png?ex=664e1cca&is=664ccb4a&hm=f62a0d4d1b94365f4685dd2ed5c6f0a86be7c7fd1a19dc2dc4d5989724349b3c&



16:26:51  <andythenorth> such lake 🙂



16:27:34  <Eddi|zuHause> that rail line on the right messes with my sense of perspective



16:28:16  <andythenorth> it's slightly Escher-esque



16:29:07  <andythenorth> "minimum lake size"



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16:58:59  <andythenorth> should I bulldoze the lake?



17:02:48  <peter1138> Make it larger.



17:03:57  <_jgr_> It's probably look better if it was all on one level, rather than two



17:06:34  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1242523947514466395/image.png?ex=664e261a&is=664cd49a&hm=8e690b91d77662a49dbed1fc70c2be73076e652a63e4a3e3e68096e045480953&



17:06:34  <andythenorth> reclamation



17:13:06  <andythenorth> ok I am going to apologise in advance, but I am going to write some GS



17:13:17  <andythenorth> sorry



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17:24:52  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1242528552662864022/image.png?ex=664e2a64&is=664cd8e4&hm=04d04a7b32dd2ba17f6feadc71ef7394577aaaa6e031c1d0c7144d7f833b33f2&



17:24:52  <andythenorth> oops, needed a ship route, should have kept the lake 😛



17:32:19  <peter1138> Hmm, how should a caret work with 1) RTL text 2) mixed LTR/RTL text...



17:34:45  <andythenorth> autocarrot



17:35:02  <LordAro> "carefully"



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18:04:03  <peter1138> Mixed seems broken in most programs.



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18:31:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #12702: Codechange: Use std::filesystem::exists instead of access. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12702#pullrequestreview-2069338685



18:41:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #12705: Fix: Crash if interface scale or font size changes with chat box present. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12705#pullrequestreview-2069380862



19:03:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707#pullrequestreview-2069382966



19:27:11  <ahyangyi> peter1138: But most RTL scripts are mixed in nature -- as long as they use numbers at all



19:29:33  <blathijs> Are we still looking to sanity check the RTL implementation, or did we hear back from people already? I recently learned that an acquantance speaks Hebrew, so I could ask here to give a look over the Hebrew version sometime maybe.



19:37:26  <peter1138> I broke RTL editing, so I need to fix it



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19:48:13  <peter1138> My fix for ligatures broke it.



21:07:04  <Eddi|zuHause> something tells me my tram stop is overloaded https://ibin.co/82goOD6Wm7xd.png



21:07:49  <andythenorth> night mode



21:08:22  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: Not the 4000 passengers waiting to go to the next stop?



21:08:58  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: no, the 20 trams waiting in line just outside of view



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21:41:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i should look into a tram stop with wider platforms and an underground connection... but that doesn't seem to exist



21:58:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton updated pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707



22:01:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton updated pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707



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22:23:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton updated pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707



22:34:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrevorShelton commented on pull request #12707: Fix #12391: Fixed console save message timings and altered when they appear. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12707#pullrequestreview-2069743350



23:18:09  <yiffgirl> is breakpad not in the debian/ubuntu repos??



23:18:09  <yiffgirl> also cmake refuses to acknowledge allegro despite it being installed