IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2024-05-20
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02:06:12 <johnfranklin> Is GPL something one can regret?
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02:34:38 <emperorjake> I know at least one author who regretted making their sets GPL after they were butchered by Gadg8eer
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02:38:31 <reldred> See if I butcher someone’s GPL work I at least try and make sure it never leaves GitHub 🤣
02:39:03 <reldred> Coz as soon as something goes up on bananas you’ll be paying child support for the rest of your life
02:41:52 <audigex> Yeah that’s the thing that would potentially bother me about GPL - if someone genuinely butchered the work
02:41:52 <audigex> It’s unlikely but possible, even if they’re well intentioned but lacking in skill
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03:14:08 <wensimehrp> If I decompile some proprietary grf and distribute the decompiled code using gpl... With totally remade graphics, then is it illegal?
03:14:08 <wensimehrp> (reminds me of a 20-year-old game)
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04:03:00 <kamnet> wensimehrp: If you don't have the license to do so, technically yes. Is somebody going to actually come after you for it? Extremely unlikely. I've done so myself at least twice. 🙂
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04:43:29 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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07:13:38 <DorpsGek> - Add: summary for week 20 of 2024 (by OpenTTD Survey)
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07:22:28 <peter1138> 2.3% of JGRPP 0.59.0 use NPF for ships...
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07:56:08 <ahyangyi> ...ah, the commit checker... I guess I could only fix that when at home :S
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08:35:46 <kuhnovic> Wow, I have read some complaints here and there about the performance of std::unordered_map, but it really is slow
08:36:41 <kuhnovic> At least when you use one in YAPF
08:38:15 <kuhnovic> peter1138: didn't you recently create a patch with YAPF using stl containers? Did you see something similar?
08:39:15 <peter1138> I replaced "FixedSizeArray" with a std::deque, so not really comparable.
08:40:54 <peter1138> My performance measurements (probably naïve) didn't problems.
08:41:48 <kuhnovic> Ah ok, makes sense, I wouldn't expect any problems there
08:42:25 <kuhnovic> We do have our own hashmap implementation, but it's such a PITA to work with.
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08:45:15 <peter1138> We probably have multiple 😄
08:45:54 <peter1138> Of course, we also have vehicle hashes that have support bucket collisions by storing next pointers in Vehicle.
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09:31:39 <kuhnovic> Oh yeah we also have one in the AyStar implementation 😛
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09:40:55 <peter1138> These work fine but they're not really suited to stl conversion.
09:51:54 <kuhnovic> Tbh I'd rather use an open source implementation rather than a homebrew one
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09:52:18 <kuhnovic> Technically ours is an open source implementation too if we're being pedantic
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09:52:56 <truebrain> Open Source 3rdparty, solves your linguistic issue 😛
09:59:10 <_jgr_> There's no shortage of open source container implementations to choose from 😛
10:09:31 <_glx_> ahyangyi: You'll need to rebase too while at it
11:05:18 <kuhnovic> _jgr_: The problem of having too many options 😛
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11:25:39 <andythenorth> did we bloat RAM use recently? 😛 or is my GS really inefficient?
11:28:42 <peter1138> Did we bloat WindowServer too?
11:37:37 <andythenorth> no Apple do that as part of the service
12:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> anything that didn't bloat?
12:26:30 <andythenorth> restarted OpenTTD
12:26:56 <andythenorth> and with my save reloaded
12:32:19 <andythenorth> hmm the obvious candidate isn't to blame 😛
12:33:42 <_jgr_> You should take that memory usage number with a big pinch of salt
13:11:24 <andythenorth> hmm....could we have map-global permanent registers per grf?
13:11:35 <andythenorth> ironic I know, given I'm complaining about memory use
13:11:54 <andythenorth> I've remembered why I had to use GS to do FIRS primary production increases
13:12:30 <andythenorth> I wanted to space them out over time, so they only happen occasionally, but grf can't do that
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14:29:17 <peter1138> "Oh just store that config as json" sounded fine... until that json was stored in json, as a string. Mmm.
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15:06:41 <kuhnovic> That moment when you've been performance measurements for a while, and you suddenly realize asserts are still on
15:08:33 <_glx_> I hope it's at least a release build
15:15:00 <_jgr_> For the most part asserts aren't going to make a great deal of difference
15:16:22 <_jgr_> It still gives a useful signal
15:19:39 <kuhnovic> The water regions and YAPF both have quite a lot of asserts, which could make a noticable difference
15:19:55 <kuhnovic> As well as stl containers. I'm mostly turning them off just to be safe.
15:20:14 <kuhnovic> Well, rather unsafe... but sure 😛
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17:08:03 <andythenorth> grf global storage then? 😛
17:44:40 <_glx_> ah left over from win9x support
17:45:46 <_glx_> though `_T` macro is actually the proper way when not using explicitely W version of the function
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17:54:55 <yeah_its_gloria> wouldn't it be good to switch to the Unicode variants explicitly anyway
17:55:34 <andythenorth> Hmm don’t need grf-global storage, GS can do it
17:56:22 <andythenorth> GS can also write to the text window
17:59:31 <peter1138> Would be better to drop Windows support 🙂
18:04:43 <andythenorth> Nobody’s going to let my GS read FIRS industry registers, right? 😛
19:16:41 <_glx_> slightly reworked the message 😉
19:21:23 <peter1138> Good cos it was a bit odd.
19:24:09 <peter1138> How long has that been wrong? 😄
19:29:40 <peter1138> Hmm, Windows 7 is 1%, Windows 8.1 is 0.3%, Windows Vista (lol) 0.2%
19:30:02 <truebrain> the game stil runs on Vista?!
19:42:34 <yeah_its_gloria> Windows Ventura
19:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't vista basically the same as 7, just with a new paint?
19:47:02 <yeah_its_gloria> I'd say vista was 7 before they had the hardware for it
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20:04:19 <peter1138> Changed language and the game crashed in the blitter. Oof.
20:17:11 <LordAro> probably not important
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22:04:55 <_glx_> peter1138: about 12 years, but stations were not supported for most of that time 🙂
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