IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-11-06
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02:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder how many technology disasters were started with the sentence "this should be impossible"
02:36:34 <goddess_ishtar> probably quite a lot
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03:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> one might argue about tschernobyl
03:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess the engineering joke "the impossible just takes a bit longer" applies in multiple directions :p
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09:53:00 <peter1138> Would that change get me banned?
10:04:09 <bungus> using FIRS? i do believe that is a bannable offense
10:05:29 <LordAro> peter1138: genuinely can't tell what the difference is
10:09:40 <LordAro> git clean -fxde is not the same as git clean -fxd
10:23:28 <LordAro> i probably didn't need those random scripts i had lying around anyway
10:53:56 <peter1138> That's the current version.
10:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so you replaced the bevels with frames, and overall made it about 3 pixels smaller?
10:57:04 <bungus> more uniform spacing in the columns and rows
10:57:19 <LordAro> yeah new version's better
10:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel like you could earn a lot of bikeshedding :)
10:57:43 <peter1138> Spacing is adjusted to match other settings windows (but you can't see that here), and it uses frames, like the other settings windows (but not advanced settings... yet?)
10:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel like that window is missing the "show older versions" toggle, but at the same time, the window is already overloaded
10:59:06 <peter1138> The "Settings" window is weird, it mostly uses the compact-ttd-style layout, except for the filters at the top.
11:00:22 <peter1138> However I hate how the resize box looks on these windows...
11:00:58 <bungus> is toggle palette ever useful outside debugging?
11:01:26 <peter1138> Yes for older NewGRFs that don't specify the palette they use.
11:02:16 <bungus> i see, sometimes i accidentally click that and dont realize it while trying to set parameters, and then have to go through my list to figure out what is broken
11:03:31 <bungus> A button you use very often is right next to a button that can possibly cause issues if you accidentally click it, and is only situationally useful. Just my 2 cents
11:07:33 <LordAro> could probably only enable it for grfs that don't specifiy?
11:08:49 <bungus> sounds like a way more graceful way of fixing the issue, but a lot more work than just moving the button
11:10:02 <peter1138> LordAro, reasonable.
11:10:23 <peter1138> "Moving the button" sounds simple but it's not.
11:10:38 <bungus> its something i've only ran into a couple times, so its not a big issue at all, but I thought I would at least comment about it
11:10:46 <peter1138> Like... where should you put it? How do you adjust the layout to do that? Who will it annoy?
11:10:50 <bungus> yes, the button positions are pretty fixed it looks like
11:11:05 <peter1138> It's not that. But you need somewhere for it to go.
11:11:33 <bungus> there is no good place to put it, maybe nestled in the parameter menu?
11:12:06 <peter1138> And at this point, it really does because easier to just disable the button if it's not required because the NewGRF provides this information.
11:12:25 <peter1138> Moving a button from one window to another is quite a lot of work.
11:12:26 <LordAro> i was gonna say, could just move it to the parameter window
11:12:41 <bungus> yes, easier said than done lol
11:12:53 <peter1138> It's not "hey processor, put it there instead"
11:13:23 <LordAro> you mean we don't have Star Trek holodeck-style UI design yet?
11:14:54 <bungus> we did, didnt rand corporation come out with something in the 50s/60s with extremely ahead of its time UI technology
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11:22:32 <bungus> the whole video is a great showcase of how user input with computers has evolved over time
11:22:36 <peter1138> Typing seems to quicker than handwriting :)
11:22:46 <peter1138> but clearly more error prone.
11:23:30 <bungus> yes, but in 1964 most of the people this was given too had never used a keyboard before and were more comfortable with handwriting than typing
11:23:57 <bungus> alan kay touches on it before he shows the video on the rand tablet
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12:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly does LCARS have to do with holodecks?
12:31:34 <peter1138> Nothing other than Star Trek and UI.
12:37:59 <alfagamma7> This video is amazing, thanks for sharing
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13:01:30 <peter1138> Why do some windows have a separate "Close" or "Cancel" button, but not all?
13:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs consistency in UI design when you can have 30 years of organically grown UI
13:03:38 <_glx_> Doesn't newgrf config also apply on close ?
13:03:42 <alfagamma7> It can be rationalised right?
13:04:22 <peter1138> _glx_, depends, if it's on the main menu, yes, if it's in game, no.
13:04:34 <peter1138> (So that's good and consistent, right?)
13:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> organic means good.
13:04:56 <_glx_> Typical OpenTTD consistency
13:06:37 <peter1138> Oh, I could use this old RB1100AHx4 as a switch... 13 ports instead of 5.
13:06:56 <alfagamma7> Ah yes, a twenty year old open source clone of a thirty year old video game
13:20:56 <peter1138> Funny how time goes.
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14:39:01 <_pruple> that's easy for you to say
14:48:54 <peter1138> "Is Powerpoint fine or do you need a special format?"
14:49:18 <peter1138> Ah, the world where a closed binary format is not-special...
14:49:28 <LordAro> there's no guarantee it's actually powerpoint
15:08:09 <alfagamma7> Use odts everywhere ffs
15:09:05 <merni> peter1138: Office Open XML formats are neither closed nor binary :P
15:09:39 <merni> Though they might as well be closed for how complex they are
15:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "EXCEPTION_ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION exception (code=c000001d) raised" unfortunate...
15:17:46 <goddess_ishtar> yeah, pptx is *supposed* to be open
15:19:17 <goddess_ishtar> also, today I learned that "Open Office XML" is distinct from "Office Open XML"
15:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> what's "Open Office XML" supposed to be?
15:28:25 <goddess_ishtar> the file format OpenOffice uses
15:29:02 <goddess_ishtar> the ancestor of the OpenDocument format that LibreOffice uses
15:34:59 <peter1138> Gah, so the closed-nwidget-part test isn't quite complete :(
15:36:01 <peter1138> There are six NWidgetPart arrays that are not part of WindowDesc, therefore are not automatically registered.
15:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought open document format was created loooong before the split of libre office
16:00:24 <goddess_ishtar> you're right, it was OpenOffice.org back then, but that was just for demonstration
16:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and IIRC OOXML was microsofts answer to that.
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16:24:16 <_glx_> peter1138: The ones returned by a function ? (Or something similar)
16:34:56 <peter1138> They're used by a function (not returned)
18:38:45 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:41:19 <truebrain> owh, right, I had to fix some files
20:44:11 <truebrain> or, I can just retrigger the failed CDN job
20:44:13 <truebrain> that should fix it too
20:44:19 <truebrain> not sure why I didn't came up with that yesterday 😛
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20:46:27 <truebrain> there, that fixed it 🙂
20:53:21 <peter1138> How does it get removed, now that it's no longer marked Preview? It's all black magic innit.
20:53:45 <truebrain> so far it hasn't been worth the effort to write a cleanup script
20:59:42 <peter1138> Hmm, I just did a fresh build of OpenTTD and the binary is 330MB o_O
20:59:59 <peter1138> My unfresh build is 160MB
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21:51:51 <xarick> I wish i had a supercomputer
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22:26:50 <LordAro> xarick: that is far too many nested loops
22:26:59 <LordAro> in any language, let alone powershell
22:27:28 <goddess_ishtar> is that... *eight* nested loops?
22:27:30 <LordAro> but, er, good luck to you
22:34:24 <goddess_ishtar> xarick: and you're trying to manually compute all of them?
22:42:38 <xarick> this was the filter only, there's the encoder too
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22:55:05 <xarick> i'm always confused with vp9 vs av1 cpu-used parameter
22:58:21 <xarick> 39 * 149689 = 5 837 871
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23:54:00 <peter1138> Also I realised that updating my router's firmware (months ago) enabled RSTP and VLAN filtering in hardware. Such upgrades.
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