IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-10-06
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01:03:15 <talltyler> Full screen mode is a never-ending source of bugs, it seems
01:11:32 <_glx_> looking at the code there's clearly something wrong, but full screen and multiple monitors is rarely a good choice
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06:37:46 <peter1138> That might just be a general SDL / X11 / Wayland thing rather than us.
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06:42:58 <georgevb> georgevb: I've tested OpenTTD with this patch and found, that not everything goes as intended
06:43:44 <georgevb> I can choose the same car for autoreplace. I expect this was not intended
06:43:57 <georgevb> Both cars and engines are affected
06:47:56 <georgevb> As for the initial issue, it wirks as intended:
06:49:58 <georgevb> As you can see, TE3 locomotives were producsed by three locomotive plants, and you can buy production of any separately.
06:56:24 <peter1138> Anyway, we have already merged the change :)
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07:12:59 <emperorjake> peter1138: if that's the case, why is it greyed out?
07:27:57 <emperorjake> it seems to only work with vanilla vehicles?
07:31:52 <emperorjake> Wait actually it works with NewGRF vehicles too when I start a new game
08:31:53 <emperorjake> in any case, it was merged early this year so it's not nearly that old
08:57:44 <peter1138> Ah okay, I went by the date of the first comment :)
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09:05:41 <emperorjake> should I make a bug report?
09:09:12 <peter1138> Greyed out in that list, means you've hidden it from the purchase list.
09:09:38 <peter1138> (Or it's an unavailable variant parent, but that isn't the case here)
09:11:12 <emperorjake> You can only replace a vehicle with itself if you start a new game. It's greyed out if you load an older save from before it was added.
09:15:02 <peter1138> Ah, my mistake, it's always shaded if it's the currently selected engine on the left side.
09:15:22 <peter1138> (There's multiple ways things are marked shaded, not just variants)
09:22:46 <emperorjake> It's not shaded if I start a new game (latest nightly)
09:23:39 <emperorjake> An older save running in the same version
09:24:03 <georgevb> peter1138: It does not work this way
09:24:40 <georgevb> As you can see I can't autoreplace engine
09:26:15 <georgevb> But I can autoreplace the other one (that does not have subgroups
09:27:37 <georgevb> In fact I can, but only if build it the last
09:27:53 <peter1138> Ok, #7729 is incomplete, it allows the autoreplace of same vehicles once the autoreplace is setup. But it doesn't modify the UI to allow autoreplace of same vehicles.
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09:28:50 <peter1138> Then there is a second issue that the autoreplace UI doesn't shade the selected vehicle properly for some reason -- and that should be fix to allow #7729 to work properly.
09:29:44 <peter1138> This flag is not stored in the savegame, so I'm not sure why it appears differently on new game than on5 not loaded game.
09:30:19 <peter1138> I guess the testing of 7729 was done on a new game and it appeared to work :)
09:33:21 <peter1138> Think I've found something
10:24:27 <peter1138> Well, either way, it's nothing to do with the variants fix :)
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12:31:54 <peter1138> It's not "new game" vs "load game" it depends on whether you have built that engine during this session or not.
12:32:16 <peter1138> autoreplace_gui.cpp:123 is clearing the shade if you have bought the engine.
12:34:29 <peter1138> That tells me that autoreplace_gui.cpp:179 is wrong, as that shades it based on the engine ID, not the display engine ID.
12:34:57 <peter1138> However, given 7729, we can just remove the that line.
12:37:13 <emperorjake> ahh that makes sense
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12:48:16 <peter1138> And oops, one of my database tables was set up to use the wrong sequence.
14:49:05 <peter1138> Oops, fixed some code because `x => Notify...` is not the same as `x => x.Notify...`.
14:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> weird how things suddenly work if you do them properly.
14:51:43 <peter1138> Thanks for you contribution.
14:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that is my special power.
14:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the main indicators for lunch?
14:59:10 <andythenorth> peter1138: is the main indicator for lunch
14:59:15 <andythenorth> it's quite subjective
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15:28:34 <andythenorth> my AWS bill arrived 😦
15:43:51 <peter1138> Do I need an RB5009?
15:44:08 <peter1138> Maybe it can run an OpenTTD container.
15:45:00 <andythenorth> £1.09 this month
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15:58:33 <LordAro> peter1138: i'd imagine it probably could
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16:06:53 <andythenorth> guess what would be cheaper than AWS?
16:08:37 <andythenorth> yes, if I compare the cost amortised over 2385 months, the MBP is cheaper
16:09:26 <frosch123> lol, i actually did not know how expensive they are
16:09:58 <andythenorth> mine costs £3.50 a day
16:10:37 <frosch123> i think my sister bought a notebook that expensive in 1999
16:10:55 <frosch123> with docking station and stuff
16:11:00 <frosch123> was quite expensive back then
16:11:37 <frosch123> well, now i learned that ottd infra is actually not that expensive compared to running it on a MBP
16:11:54 <andythenorth> if you already have the MBP it's free
16:12:13 <frosch123> how long do they last? a year?
16:13:30 <alfagamma7> I probably will eventually need to pay for hosting and stuff if I intend to make my website more suitable
16:14:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: fortunately Apple have a very slow CPU development pipeline
16:15:03 <andythenorth> so they last 2 years
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17:23:52 <andythenorth> took me a week to think of that 😛
17:23:56 <andythenorth> even though FIRS does it
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17:24:57 <alfagamma7> I will bookmark this
17:25:06 <alfagamma7> Or probably just use nfo
17:25:32 <alfagamma7> Good luck to me figuring how nfo works though
17:28:04 <andythenorth> don't use nfo for stations
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17:36:37 <andythenorth> same as all the other features, it's slightly worse in nfo than nml
17:36:55 <alfagamma7> Just a question though: Why isn't road routing a thing in nfo in case of stations?
17:37:18 <peter1138> Just a question though: What even does that mean?
17:37:39 <andythenorth> we what now road routing?
17:38:04 <andythenorth> there's a bit of reserved spec for road bits on stations, is that what is meant?
17:38:30 <alfagamma7> Refering to this written in wiki
17:38:38 <alfagamma7> I was just curious
17:38:55 <peter1138> If it's written in a Wiki, can you not just link the Wiki instead of a picture?
17:39:17 <peter1138> But the simple matter is: Road vehicles can't travel on rail stations.
17:39:23 <alfagamma7> Eh me dum dum at times
17:40:07 <frosch123> it's written there because a ttdp developer started work on it 15 years ago, without published result
17:40:10 <merni> "This property is not yet implemented" tells you all you need to know
17:40:57 <peter1138> Well, frosch123's this :D
17:41:00 <alfagamma7> Maybe the usecases are not there much
17:41:04 <andythenorth> can we please just delete it?
17:41:23 <andythenorth> vestigal bits of spec can be preserved by wayback machine 😛
17:41:48 <peter1138> andythenorth, it's a Wiki...
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17:51:45 <andythenorth> strikes me that should just be 'not implemented' for the whole page?
17:59:08 <andythenorth> anyway object classes span grfs?
17:59:15 <merni> nice thing about a wiki is it preserves history in case someone is really interested in archaeology of the ideas of ttdpatch developers
17:59:29 <andythenorth> so I could insert 'station' objects to this?
18:01:05 <frosch123> within a class the objects will be sorted by grf loading order
18:01:54 <frosch123> but yes, sharing classes was the original intention 🙂
18:02:07 <frosch123> i think there is even a standardized label schema wiki page
18:02:12 <frosch123> which obviously noone uses
18:02:57 <andythenorth> is there a standard?
18:04:17 <frosch123> i like items 6 and 7 in the second section
18:21:12 <andythenorth> so to make an object appear in two classes, just duplicate the ID?
18:21:39 <peter1138> Objects can only have one class.
18:22:20 <andythenorth> so many spare IDs now
19:49:33 * andythenorth needs to learn how objects work
19:49:41 <andythenorth> something about views and sizes
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22:10:16 <peter1138> 1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 94 deletions(-)
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