IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-09-21
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07:57:44 <_zephyris> The bridges grf PR needs a lot of work...
08:18:59 <peter1139> Right, so someone said I should avoid coffee on a long ride, can't remember who.
08:19:32 <peter1139> Was it the coffee or the caffeine?
08:23:43 <pickpacket> peter1139: it was probably a person that said, I presume. I've never heard of either coffee or caffeine speaking
08:24:23 <peter1139> Can't argue with that.
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09:07:15 <peter1139> HTML/CSS... `display: grid`, and use `gap` to space all elements... or just randomly put padding on top/bottom/somewhere until it ends up right... SIGH.
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10:44:23 <peter1139> I'm tempted to just remove the test and NOT_REACHED()... it's not really the job of the string parameter function to do that.
10:50:57 <peter1139> Although this has reminded me of an existing issue with the SetStringParameters call.
10:51:11 <peter1139> It would be useful to know if it's being called during init or display.
10:54:52 <peter1139> It's a bogus test anyway, because if an vehicle doesn't have shared orders, there's still 1 vehicle using the order list, not zero.
11:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what if you sell the vehicle while the window is open?
11:18:50 <peter1139> Then something else will close it.
11:19:43 <peter1139> If it didn't, then it this test would also trip that up.
12:26:34 <peter1139> Urgh, why is this dropdown menu not floating properly.
12:27:35 <andythenorth> insufficient bouyancy?
12:27:54 <andythenorth> it is trying to catch lunch?
12:57:55 <peter1139> No, it's because inside a container that has overflow on...
13:06:22 <peter1139> style="buoyancy: high"
13:53:29 <LordAro> peter1139: ooi, are you working towards anything in particular, or just fixing things as you find them?
13:58:29 <peter1139> I have some work going on to reduce C-style constructs, and that leads on to other things that can be tidied first.
13:58:40 <peter1139> Apparently I break things half the time :(
13:59:58 <AngelLofey[m]> Copy and paste link on any browser create an account , put your age 45+ confirm your email and confirm me, I will accept you right now
14:02:34 <peter1139> LordAro, for the duplicated functions one, that was noted in my "make more use of range-for" stuff.
14:02:44 <LordAro> dwfreed: can you deal with ^
14:06:02 <peter1139> (And make more use of range-for came from scroll bar stuff :))
15:23:19 <alfagamma7> I give up on designing something decent as a webpage layout
15:23:35 <alfagamma7> Things are stretching out way too much
16:11:33 <andythenorth> goes it diagonal roads though?
16:11:48 <andythenorth> I thought it wouldn't fit 2 vehicles in a half tile, but .... it might
16:38:26 <andythenorth> peter1139: I think....I'll make some grfs....then maybe 😛
16:38:46 <andythenorth> just got to do stations, trains, road vehicles and object grfs
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16:47:54 <taxiservice> graphics are the easy part. i'm sure i'm not the first guy to make something like this, and i won't be the last...
16:51:11 <peter1139> I wonder what's left of my 'routes' patch
16:51:27 <peter1139> Ah not routes, it was 'curves'
16:58:33 <andythenorth> the hardest part is probably vehicle movement no?
16:58:49 <taxiservice> taxiservice: i take it back, this is cursed
16:59:40 <LordAro> disallow road 90degree turns setting when?
17:00:04 <andythenorth> my train goes round that corner 😛
17:00:11 <taxiservice> andythenorth: yeah, no, i mean... the even-ness of how it tiles means that the middle line would not be 1 pixel wide
17:00:34 <peter1139> Now you need 8 track bits for road tiles, unless you get rid of the current curves.
17:01:01 <andythenorth> diagonal stations? 😛
17:01:03 <LordAro> now that *would* be a controversial change
17:01:06 <peter1139> (Which I can't see happening)
17:01:22 <andythenorth> do we not have enough map bits for more track bits?
17:01:28 <andythenorth> did NRT eat them? 🙂
17:01:34 <LordAro> not enough map bits for more map bits
17:01:52 <taxiservice> peter1139: like, maybe this is a crazy idea, but what if we didn't allow for another diagonal road to be built on the same tile?
17:01:52 <taxiservice> and instead have, like, basically diagonal tiles would be a fancy 90 deg curve
17:03:46 <andythenorth> one day...I am going to unmap cmd-P from macOS Finder defaults
17:03:57 <andythenorth> it's next to cmd-O which is 'open' for a file or folder
17:04:08 <andythenorth> cmd-P is....print
17:04:19 <andythenorth> this is quite annoying when you get it wrong
17:04:31 <LordAro> i always end up opening the print dialog in chrome because i can never remember which is the private browsing shortcut
17:04:48 <peter1139> taxiservice, so you mean "unless you get rid of the current curves (which I can't see happening)"
17:04:51 <LordAro> chrome uses ctrl+shift+p, firefox uses ctrl+shift+n
17:04:59 <LordAro> or possibly the other way round
17:05:22 <peter1139> Freedoom Phase 2 is bugging me now. There's a certain point where it gets ridiculously unbalanced. It might just be me being a bad player, but...
17:06:04 <alfagamma7> andythenorth: Yes please!!
17:06:32 <taxiservice> peter1139: not necessarily 🤔 i was thinking more like "two consecutive zig-zag curves turn into diagonals" or something like that
17:06:45 <brickblock19280> alfagamma7: would be really weird
17:07:05 <taxiservice> i must stress-- i am no coder and i don't know what exactly a system like that would entail
17:07:40 <peter1139> So the layout of tiles changes when you place tiles next to them. Sounds like fun when vehicles are already on that tile.
17:08:15 <brickblock19280> drive like usual
17:09:08 <brickblock19280> yes they are bad drivers
17:09:17 <brickblock19280> and there could be snow
17:10:04 <LordAro> i don't particularly see the issue with them carrying on as usual until they get to the next tile
17:14:11 <andythenorth> just buy some more map bits from the vendor?
17:14:16 <andythenorth> it's just a licensing issue?
17:14:18 <andythenorth> upgrade the package
17:25:37 <andythenorth> hmm FIRS spritelayouts use a bunch of childsprites
17:25:42 <andythenorth> do we bother with those in 2023?
17:26:43 <andythenorth> seems related to bounding box stuff
17:27:01 <andythenorth> generally, in my experience the only time bounding boxes go wrong is when authors try to define them 😛
17:27:08 <peter1139> Oh, it's nearly get-ready-to-wreck-my-legs time.
17:40:04 <peter1139> Why... has it started raining?
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17:44:17 <LordAro> peter1139: too late in the year for such silliness
17:45:17 <LordAro> couple weeks until the circuit opens tho
17:45:35 <LordAro> with its annoyingly sharp hairpin that i can never get right
17:47:56 <peter1139> Might as well hibernate.
17:52:09 <LordAro> going to see if i can maintain by RRTY this time
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17:55:21 <dwfreed> LordAro: sorry, was asleep
17:56:57 <truebrain> that one time you were needed! 😛 😛 😛
18:02:55 <dwfreed> you can usually get an immediate response, especially during EU day, if I don't react relatively immediately, by asking in #oftc :P
18:03:07 <dwfreed> obviously that doesn't work for truebrain by default, though
18:04:20 <truebrain> I can also bridge a channel to #oftc if I really wanted too, but I am way too lazy for any of that 😛
18:04:29 <dwfreed> I would not be mad if you made a channel on the discord restricted to devs that was bridged to #oftc
18:04:51 <dwfreed> your bridge is very well behaved
18:04:59 <truebrain> Thank you 🙂 I am glad to hear 🙂
18:05:13 <truebrain> now tell Matrix to learn from it, and make theirs more behaved!
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18:22:36 <squikkel3> taxiservice: i mean it's not more cursed than doing the same thing with rails
18:25:07 <andythenorth> FIRS childsprites are for snow layer, probably fine eh?
18:25:11 <andythenorth> stations get snow?
18:35:28 <_pruple> only when it's snowing
18:39:59 <andythenorth> and there's no weather
18:44:17 <andythenorth> are stations, roadstops, and objects all InfrastructureItems?
18:44:43 <andythenorth> object isn't a station, which becomes really clear when I write the nml for objects
18:45:36 <andythenorth> this will be buildable as rail station, roadstop, or object
18:45:58 <andythenorth> but I need a python class to act as the container / root / stem / common part
18:51:03 <andythenorth> `FacilityType` apparently works
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20:17:29 <andythenorth> ok nml stations, every cargo label has to be handled in the graphics{} block?
20:17:52 <andythenorth> or is it available as extra callback var for varact2?
20:18:56 <peter1139> It was, and it stopped raining just enough for to get half way to the start point (a mile away...)
20:21:28 <peter1139> I was taking it easy, how did I get 2 PRs on a route I've done loads of times :/
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21:03:38 <andythenorth> nmlc will accept `mud_ground(1)` but not `flood_loader_silo(1)`
21:04:27 <andythenorth> the flood_loader_silo(1) call is commented out currently as nmlc barfs on it
21:04:40 <andythenorth> it's being treated as a procedure call
21:04:46 <andythenorth> `nmlc ERROR: "generated/chips.nml", line 110: 'flood_loader_silo' is defined, but it is not a function.`
21:05:27 <andythenorth> I'm not seeing why calling in the same way from the same spritelayout would fail in one case, but not the other 🙂
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21:11:26 <andythenorth> not sure I like this spriteset(x) syntax, but eh 🙂
21:12:18 <andythenorth> FIRS uses it for animation frames only I think
21:12:24 <andythenorth> otherwise all spritesets are single entry
21:38:35 <andythenorth> hmm, if I just use single-item spritesets it's fine
21:38:59 <andythenorth> if I use multi-item and use the index as param e.g. foo(1) , it fails
21:39:46 <andythenorth> if I use multi-item, and omit the args and parentheses, e.g. `foo`, OpenTTD draws an invalid sprite (question mark)
21:40:09 <andythenorth> glx might be a bug, might be me, not sure 🙂
21:43:33 <_glx_> station spritelayouts are similar to other spritelayouts but different
21:47:54 <_glx_> andythenorth: strange, and if you exchange them just to test ?
21:58:19 <_glx_> andythenorth: make doesnt' work for me `ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tomllib'`
22:08:01 <_glx_> and it will be hard to upgrade the version in wsl
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