IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-06-09
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06:03:03 <TallTyler> Anyone looking for the meetup tomorrow should look for me being Too Tall and an obvious American tourist. 🙂
06:04:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm a generally big guy in all directions, and i have a beard.
06:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> there should be pictures somewhere from the last meetup
06:04:53 <TallTyler> Eddi will we see you at 11 am for elevenses?
06:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause> probably, unless i get lost in the town center looking for manneken pis or something :p
06:06:16 <gnomechomsky> Already on my 10 hour trip to Aachen DB screwed up the first connection and the next one is two hours later
06:06:24 <gnomechomsky> What is up with DB
06:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> currently pondering if it's worth getting a dayticket for local transport (costs 7,50€ according to my research, as opposed to multiple 2,10€ single ride tickets)
06:06:37 <TallTyler> While you’re exploring, we should all look for possible dinner restaurants. There isn’t much near Train World (at least on Google Maps) so it might be helpful to travel somewhere with more restaurants, and maybe closer to Brussels Midi or wherever people are leaving from tomorrow evening.
06:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause> coming from germany probably brussels nord, not midi
06:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but central is where all the sights are
06:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm gonna prepare some food and then try not missing my train...
06:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> gnomechomsky: my trip should have been 8h, but due to construction it's 9h
06:09:19 <TallTyler> I’m arriving at Midi on Thalys, but am happy to go elsewhere if it’s more convenient for others
06:09:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and i need to go 20min by car to the nearest train station
06:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> TallTyler: midi is probably the farthest away from all the possible locations
06:10:51 <TallTyler> Oh Central is underground, that’s why I can’t see it on Google Maps 😛
06:11:31 <TallTyler> Yeah, let’s find dinner around Central somewhere, I think
06:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so, does day-ticket make sense to be more mobile?
06:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause> how much time do we expect to take at train world?
06:30:09 <Eddi|zuHause> so that's 13-16?
06:30:48 <TallTyler> I will probably get a day ticket for local trains since it’s cheaper if you ride more than 3 times
06:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, just to not worry about it, i'll probably get it too... and book my train ticket into brussels central
06:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of nord or schaerbeek
06:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all same price anyway
06:33:33 <TallTyler> We need an S-Baum day ticket?
06:34:32 <TallTyler> Autocorrect doesn’t know Bahn apparently
06:34:59 <TallTyler> Ticketing info is so hard to find online in English, especially when there’s multiple operators and countries and types of trains
06:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i would think that's all included in the one ticket... S-Bahn, Tram, Bus, Metro?
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06:36:52 <TallTyler> I will try to find that in a ticket machine when I arrive, hope it’s not too tricky
06:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> according to my searches, it's called "Jump 24h"
06:38:51 <TallTyler> Last time I was in Brussels I tried to get directions from a hotel keeper who spoke French
06:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i packed everything important...
06:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't used french in over 20 years, so that's probably not going to be helpful for communication
06:45:12 <Rubidium_> I would suggest asking which ticket to take at the kiosk in the train station where you arrive
06:46:22 <Rubidium_> even in Dutch it's tricky to find out what to use, as it's not really clear as some "day tickets" seem to include the train but others don't
06:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that was my plan
06:47:20 <Rubidium_> it's just... what trips are expected? entry station -> Schaarbeek -> Central -> exit station, or maybe some sight seeing in between
06:48:19 <TallTyler> I’m arriving so early (8:45) I might check out Central before elevenses
06:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be easier if it were entry station -> schaerbeek -> entry station, because that would be covered by a normal train ticket
06:50:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but that entry station can't be central. because it needs to be the first stop the IC train takes in brussels
06:51:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so if i book a ticket to central, i need at least 2 trips, central->schaerbeek->central
06:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but i need to leave now, so you won't hear from me until we meet...
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07:23:24 <gnomechomsky> I was told to get off the train for a train which didn't exist, then when I check my next alternative it's the train I just got off of
07:23:29 <gnomechomsky> DB is infuriating
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09:51:23 <frosch> Arrived in aachen, noone bothered to check my ticket...
09:57:19 <gnomechomsky> frosch: Did you take an ice?
09:57:21 <TrueBrain> frosch: for some reason, that always feels annoying 😛
09:57:30 <gnomechomsky> Maybe I should just ride one without a ticket to make up time
09:59:35 <frosch> gnomechomsky: I got some super discount ticket with fixed ice train
10:11:51 <TrueBrain> right, that should be all to make bananas-api be happy on the new infra 🙂
10:12:35 <TrueBrain> basically backporting changes I did in TrueWiki 😄 So at least I know it works 😛
10:13:41 <TrueBrain> anyone interested in reviewing, or shall I go YOLO on this? 😛
10:14:46 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i looked at them, seem alright.
10:15:40 <TrueBrain> poor PRs, they are all going to fail deployment 😛
10:18:29 <TrueBrain> it is fiiinnnnneeeeee
10:20:03 <TrueBrain> owh, I forgot one change ... lol
10:22:19 <TrueBrain> another copy from another repo .. always nice and fast, if you already did the work 🙂
10:22:45 <TrueBrain> so next up ... bananas-frontend-web .. pam pam pammmmmm .. lunch first
10:25:13 <TrueBrain> I also can't wait till GitHub adds arm64 workers .. building arm64 via qemu is SLOW
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11:11:04 <petern> Johyn West Super Tuna Salad. It's not really a salad...
11:43:47 <Merni> looks like lots of 🍌 work going on
11:51:03 <Merni> lunch break of a cricket match is the best time to find openttd bugs, it seems
11:52:01 <TrueBrain> you are looking at this wrong .. you can combine things, but they are still their own entity. It is not like if you get married, you all of a sudden become one .. you are still 2 individuals. Trains have the same thing .. they still want to be unique!
11:52:08 <TrueBrain> (I am not serious, to be clear :P)
11:53:05 <Merni> Though, if that was really true, maybe we could have through carriage shunting!
11:56:19 <TrueBrain> w00p, seems bananas-api is also online .. now for the frontend, and routing the traffic 😄
12:11:10 <TrueBrain> I guess a 13.2 is not going to happen tomorrow? 😛
12:15:41 <LordAro> you'll all have your laptops with you, right? :p
12:15:50 <jfs-> we can be 10+ people all pushing the same button
12:16:04 <TrueBrain> no changelogs, no website PR, nothing yet .. we are never that quick 😄
12:16:11 <TrueBrain> I wanted to look in automated changelogs, but I didn't.
12:16:42 <LordAro> I'd imagine petern & I can put some stuff together :p
12:18:27 <TrueBrain> the one tricky thing, as I don't have a laptop .. I am unsure if I can push the release to Steam stable branch remotely 🙂 But okay .. not the most important thing in the world
12:19:23 <LordAro> take your MFA stuff with you, use someone else's :p
12:19:51 <TrueBrain> I don't know how your password management works, but typing over a 32 long password with all kind of weird characters never ends well 😄
12:21:53 <TrueBrain> don't worry, I figure something out 🙂 You get the rest of the stuff done, and it will be fine .. ish 🙂
12:23:42 <TrueBrain> but first, let's try out deploying the bananas frontend .. see if that comes alive 🙂
12:24:15 <TrueBrain> `Unsupported scheme ''`
12:24:18 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, clear error, tnx
12:24:42 <Rubidium_> `You didn't specify a scheme` <- better?
12:25:03 <TrueBrain> but tnx for trying; I do appreciate that 🙂
12:26:00 <TrueBrain> `WEBCLIENT_SENTRY_ENVIRONMENT = "[[ sentry_dsn ]]"`
12:26:00 <TrueBrain> `WEBCLIENT_SENTRY_DSN = "[[ sentry_environment ]]"`
12:26:05 <TrueBrain> took long enough to spot what was wrong there 😄
12:26:28 <LordAro> "that's nice, those variables align nicely"
12:27:21 <gnomechomsky> frosch: How does this work?
12:27:53 <TrueBrain> `[werkzeug] WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production deployment. Use a production WSGI server instead.` ... pffff, no? I just refuse.
12:28:36 <jfs-> gnomechomsky: in the olden days a train ticket was just for A to B on a specific date, but you could use any train that traveled that route. a fixed train ticket is discounted but you need to travel on exactly the departure printed on the ticket
12:30:26 <gnomechomsky> jfs-: I mean how do you find the super discount
12:30:49 <Merni> If you just search on the respective train operator's website
12:32:42 <gnomechomsky> But did frosch use the DB website? At least the app shows everything as like 80€
12:33:08 <Rubidium_> gnomechomsky: discounted tickets are only (far) in advance
12:33:21 <Rubidium_> just look at the same route in say three months
12:38:52 <gnomechomsky> Yeah I knew about that but I thought he bought the ticket recently
12:39:33 <TrueBrain> meh; Flask (the Python web thingy) really only wants to bind on IPv4 or IPv6 .. not on both
12:39:35 <TrueBrain> that is just annoying
12:41:11 <frosch> gnomechomsky: No, i bought it about 10 days ago
13:01:46 <TrueBrain> oof, I see the white-flashes are back on BaNaNaS .. for a while now by the looks
13:01:57 <TrueBrain> that if you navigate, it keeps flashing white before building the page
13:02:10 <TrueBrain> I thought we solved that, but clearly not backported to bananas 😛
13:03:42 <petern> Oh no, I don't want to get my hands drity...
13:04:17 <gnomechomsky> frosch: Ten days is still very recent for a super sparpreis right?
13:04:35 <gnomechomsky> I thought it had to be months
13:06:23 <jfs-> almost time for me to leave home, and hope the bus works well enough
13:07:03 <TrueBrain> jfs-: safe travels!
13:14:24 <TrueBrain> okay, turns out we never backported the changes done on www to bananas; on www we depend a lot less on images for the background etc. I totally forgot we did this for www. Well, too much work to do in 5 minutes .. something for another day 🙂
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13:27:17 <TrueBrain> owh yeaaahhhhh, uploading BaNaNaS content on the new infra works; what is great about it is, it uses Cloudflare R2 instead of AWS S3. That hopefully will safe a lot of costs 🙂
13:27:43 <TrueBrain> not fully done yet, as now I have to transfer the CDN to R2 too .. and make the custom TCP protocol available .. and some other bits and pieces .. but getting there 😄
13:35:48 <LordAro> are you planning on decommissioning the VPSes as well?
13:36:54 <TrueBrain> as it stands, Cloudflare R2 would be cheaper than those VPSes, even .. but we will see if that is actually true if it goes to production 🙂
13:38:38 <TrueBrain> and hopefully it also improves download times for a lot of people drastically .. as the CDN is worldwide, instead of located in France 😄
13:39:02 <TrueBrain> but most of all .. the infra is so much simpler now
14:13:51 <TrueBrain> Yeah, I am happy with it. Lot more effort than I was hoping for, but this is mostly due to the neglect of the last few months / almost a year 😛
14:15:20 <Merni> what's the issue with the commit checker? Does it not like OpenTTD#issue number?
14:15:43 <TrueBrain> Just the hash and number
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15:08:45 <TallTyler> Still needs someone to merge it or find a problem I’m not aware of 🙂
15:10:13 <Rubidium_> maybe you got both :D
15:14:32 <petern> Name is copied as part of the order backup process, not because it's left around on a vehicle.
15:15:56 <petern> However, that is bug, because restoring the name doesn't check if the name is unique.
15:21:08 <jfs-> I found my bus, well before departure. And also secured a sandwich and bottle of water for the ride. And found a melatonin tablet in the cupboard which may or may not help sleep.
15:22:09 <TallTyler> I hope it was your home cupboard and not a random pill on the bus 😛
15:22:33 <Merni> petern: you ninja'd me :p
15:22:54 <Merni> petern: so then there can be 2 vehicles with the same name?
15:23:53 <petern> An argument for "why does it have to be unique anyway?"
15:24:34 <Merni> hm, that is the case in 13.1 too
15:24:52 <petern> Yeah, it's not a new bug, you've just found it indirectly :p
15:25:02 <Merni> petern: Probably so that the user can see "train xyz is broken down" and know which it is
15:27:13 <Merni> non unique names would help me personally though, so that I can give for example "Regional 1" in the train name without giving specific names to each train :p
15:27:44 <petern> That's kinda what groups are for 🙂
15:28:09 <Merni> yeah but I use groups for "British Rail"
15:28:14 <Merni> looks better on departure boards
15:28:36 <Merni> Yeah but only the deepest level of group shows on the departure board
15:28:59 <petern> I've never played a version with departure boards though, so.
15:32:19 <TallTyler> Merni: `spacebar-heating.jpg` 😛
15:33:38 <TallTyler> Why not use companies for company name?
15:34:08 <TallTyler> (As is intended by the departure board feature to show companies) 🙂
15:35:13 <Merni> Anyway it's not really important, giving trains unique names is not hard at all
15:35:31 <Merni> (and anyway that is equally realistic since trains have train numbers apart from line numbers)
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16:45:09 <Rubidium_> always fun when getline returns '\r'...
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