IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-05-23
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05:53:11 <andythenorth> petern: search on all results? Or give it a context? 😛
06:27:49 <LordAro> how did the BOM sneak through? doesn't the CI check for non-ascii chars?
06:28:52 <pickpacket> BOM BOM BOM BOM, I want you in my ROM
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07:11:05 <Rubidium_> LordAro: not for anything that isn't in `(".cpp", ".c", ".hpp", ".h", ".mm")`
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07:47:13 <Rubidium_> ooh... nice, we got e-constants now? Never knew those were a thing yet :D
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08:08:20 <petern> I think I started typing enum...
08:10:59 <Rubidium_> though the question might be... do we want to flip it around, that we only allow non-ascii characters in specific files such as ".png"? But since it's in a separate repository, that change might not be as simple to test as it would when it were part of OpenTTD's repository
08:24:15 <petern> Is it me or do those comments refer to the statements after the else condition?
08:25:53 <petern> Or possibly they are just obsolete/irrelevant now
08:35:07 <Rubidium_> back in the day that comment did not refer to the bit after the else condition, and made sense. In 2006 it got "broken" by a cleanup, and now it doesn't make much sense
08:36:10 <Rubidium_> well... rather since then. There used to be a for loop that checked for each iteration whether you were in the TOTAL_TAB and if so, it wouldn't increment num. Then for the TOTAL_TAB it iterated through the cargos and incremented num there.
08:36:45 <Rubidium_> now it's essentially more sensible/simpler
08:37:35 <petern> And I'm simplifying it slightly 🙂
08:43:40 <petern> (`CargoArray::GetCount()` exists)
09:01:18 <TrueBrain> Hadn't seen that yet, but sounds good. Will look into it later today
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10:02:05 <TrueBrain> That TLD ... such mistakes ...
10:02:25 <TrueBrain> One can wonder how long it lasts
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14:18:18 <FLHerne> hm, I can hopefully make 10th June
14:20:10 <FLHerne> are other UK folks going, and if so how? Eurostar seems a bit pricey esp. weekend
14:21:07 <FLHerne> Flixbus seems cheap but vastly slower
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15:05:41 <petern> Hmm, tried switching from debian-slim which then needs to apt install rsync/ssh, to using an alpine-based image with rsync/ssh preinstalled to see if it would improve performance.
15:06:15 <petern> 25s to 1m 14s is not an improvement.
15:09:34 <petern> I guess I could build my own image based on debian-slim with the packages preinstalled 🙂
15:36:46 <petern> Hmm, my UPS has a USB port but... nothing alive on it :/
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17:16:02 <Rubidium_> a long long time ago :D
17:28:40 <Rubidium_> well, it is related but not because Debian has fmt 9.1.0. We just include fmt in the source code, because getting working right to pick it from all the environments is quite complex and it's all header files anyway
17:28:56 <Rubidium_> it is to be replaced by std with C++20 though
17:29:44 <LordAro> could do with suppressing warnings from there anyway though
17:29:54 <LordAro> does cmake have an equivalent for -isystem ?
17:30:35 <LordAro> if we can even use that, we don't use the include path for it
17:31:55 <Rubidium_> there are only 14 includes of fmt headers in the code though
17:32:11 <Rubidium_> so changing should be fairly painless
17:32:31 <LordAro> surprised there are that many, given you just added format_thing.hpp ?
17:32:54 <Rubidium_> 9 are in squirrel-land
17:32:56 <TrueBrain> if you read C++20 often enough, it happens automagically, right? 😄
17:33:18 <andythenorth> I think you're thinking of GPT
17:36:49 <TrueBrain> orudge: I send Cloudflare an application ... I might have used a lot of words
17:37:05 <TrueBrain> it might be that I am a really big fan of their solutions .. I might have told them .. I might have also asked for a lot 😛
17:37:59 <TrueBrain> well, one could argue that I am just a fan of Cloudflare because AWSs bandwidth charge is ........ horribly old fashioned, but it is more than that 😛
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18:35:02 <TrueBrain> Pfff, my PR makes 10863 futile! I .. just need to finish it 😄 hihihi
18:35:37 <TrueBrain> First fixing more of the infra ... a week left to finish migration 😄
18:37:18 <Rubidium_> I'm not so sure C++20 is really in the cards right now :( Each of the compilers fails on something different and seemingly unrelated, except Linux-Clang
18:41:21 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:08:12 <andythenorth> he gave me a preview and asked for any feedback / changes
19:08:22 <andythenorth> I told him I wasn't project lead, just contributor
19:08:35 <andythenorth> and I'm not convinced by the stats, they weren't mine
19:08:39 <andythenorth> but that's journalism
19:11:19 <petern> That's how you forced variants into the game.
19:12:10 <frosch> we raised $1M for msf and eff ?
19:12:28 <andythenorth> I mentioned the Yogscast stream raise
19:12:39 <andythenorth> but I didn't say what that was for
19:13:11 <frosch> yeah, yogscast did nothing. it was all our work 🙂
19:14:22 <frosch> there was a speedrun for ottd at agdq?
19:15:20 <andythenorth> yeah these weren't things I said 🙂
19:15:35 <andythenorth> this is not my first rodeo with journalists producing this kind of result 🙂
19:15:56 <andythenorth> for work stuff, I've made them rewrite stuff which they hate
19:15:56 <frosch> well, when i gave an interview 10 years ago, the resulting article was also weird, but it was not that hillarious 🙂
19:16:02 <andythenorth> they often get paid by the word
19:17:08 <frosch> i wonder who will add these facts to our wiki page :p
19:19:15 <petern> Ru: bidium How do I initialize a StrongIntegralType with a numeric value?
19:21:51 <petern> Hmm, whatever happened to that @ :/
19:22:18 <andythenorth> well Ru got highlighted 😛
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19:25:18 <glx[d]> not the first, nor last, time
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20:07:38 <jfs-> okay looking at travel to brussels again to arrive on the 10th, flixbus does seem to have a reasonable night option for going, and returning seems to be more reasonable to do by air, so maybe that's what I can do
20:08:26 * andythenorth I considered it, Europe trip in June would be fun
20:08:31 <andythenorth> but too much else going on
20:09:13 <TallTyler> Maybe next year we do it in the UK
20:14:48 <jfs-> as Owen also suggests next year, I hope that can get planned better in advance
20:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> how much better? this was "planned" for like 9 months now :p
20:16:07 <jfs-> was it? this specific location and date?
20:16:29 <Rubidium_> well, pick an actual date and location now for "March" next year
20:16:52 <jfs-> that's what I mean by planning, set a fixed date and location well in advance so everyone can plan travel and vacation around it
20:18:10 <jfs-> anyway, I'll probably decide tomorrow if I'm going
20:19:24 <TallTyler> It was definitely planned late, I found out quite late since it's a new job I just started
20:19:49 <TallTyler> It seemed nobody wanted to volunteer, so I did -- and I might have the longest travel to get there 😛
20:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so what's the difference between "Hopper – Pink/Red", "Hopper – Pink/Red" and "Hopper – Pink/Red"?
20:25:35 <andythenorth> one is more hoppery than the other
20:25:43 <andythenorth> they should probably be livery refits eh?
20:26:18 <andythenorth> TallTyler: this is the way of things 🙂
20:31:34 <frosch> (25+4)k party was decided 5 weeks in advance. this time it is 3 weeks in advance
20:31:44 <frosch> maybe people are too old for travel now :p
20:32:32 <frosch> even belugas was there from canada
20:37:11 <andythenorth> irc was usually more active than forums
20:37:20 <andythenorth> especially when coop channel was also busy
20:37:29 <andythenorth> just some forum threads had hundreds of pages
20:37:45 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: Just know this will be a recurring theme to address you now
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20:54:53 <Rubidium_> oh... remember the drama with Belugas' flight?
20:58:20 <frosch> no details, just that the bottle of maple sirup broke
20:59:17 <Rubidium_> well... flight cancellation, rerouted the next day via Frankfurt to Amsterdam
21:02:45 <petern> Does everyone on the forums hate each other?
21:05:10 <glx[d]> else it would not be a forum
21:10:37 <TrueBrain> Does the forum still exists?!
21:14:29 <JGR> If it disappeared, all of that would start appearing here instead
21:16:00 <jfs-> communication is difficult
21:20:43 <andythenorth> petern: something about web forum format produces that sense
21:20:57 <andythenorth> I could get into a pointless argument 5 times a day on any forum I use (there are 3)
21:21:06 <andythenorth> whereas discord, it's more like once a month
21:32:50 <JGR> Incidentally, I've been doing some dabbling and may have something which could help with some of those GS woes you were having, Andy
21:34:42 <JGR> So far, enabling asynchronous execution for GS commands hasn't caused any problems that I can see, though it requires GS authors to only use it when appropriate
21:36:03 <JGR> e.g. set text/growth/whatever commands on every town or industry
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21:39:07 <glx[d]> looks like you have left over doxygen
21:40:08 <glx[d]> from ScriptText doc it seems
21:43:25 <JGR> Bit of an oversight there, I'll get rid of that
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22:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing about belugas i remember is that he was surprised he couldn't pay anything with credit cards
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22:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody really uses credit cards in germany
22:31:36 <TallTyler> Hmm I should remember that
22:31:44 <TallTyler> Is cash the way to go?
22:36:01 <glx[d]> visa and mastercard should be fine
22:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> cash should work. dunno how phone payments work nowadays
22:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> you may find many places that don't accept visa/mastercard
22:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but the most common payment method used in germany is "electronic cash"/maestro cards, that are linked to a bank account
22:59:38 <TallTyler> I imagine an American debit card wouldn’t work though 😛
23:00:57 <glx[d]> cards with a chip and pincode usually
23:01:26 <dwfreed> american debit cards are visa or mastercard as well, so they'd work anywhere international where their brand is accepted
23:01:46 <dwfreed> mastercard is the most common for debit cards
23:08:19 <TallTyler> I have Visa so hopefully it’ll be fine. I can get some cash too to be sure
23:11:27 <glx[d]> one thing to check is the payment limits, just in case
23:12:50 <TallTyler> Per purchase? I’ve been to Germany before and don’t remember any problems but that was in the Before Times™️ so I don’t entirely remember 🙂
23:14:00 <glx[d]> well it depends on your card and bank, some have lower limits for foreign use
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23:14:24 <glx[d]> my parents had issued when in tahiti
23:16:03 <glx[d]> and 12h time offset was not simple 🙂
23:24:08 <Eddi|zuHause> payment limits are usually per day
23:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause> but they depend entirely on your bank
23:24:58 <glx[d]> I have a per 30 day limit for payments, and per 7 days limit for ATM
23:25:42 <petern> I guess stuff like Apple pay has forced the US side to progress rapidly.
23:26:46 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, things like hotels probably accept credit cards. smaller shops maybe don't. and very small payments are often cash only
23:28:03 <glx[d]> yeah very small payments are often too expensive for shop owner due to card commissions
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