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00:00:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg opened issue #10160: [Bug]: Finance window - The title "Net profit" is most probably wrong (2/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10160
00:08:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone opened issue #10161: [Bug]: The texts are out of place with true type fonts https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10161
00:10:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg opened issue #10162: [Detail]: Finance window - Too large offset of the yellow text (3/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10162
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00:16:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg opened issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:17:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:18:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:18:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #10164: [Bug]: In Arabic and Hebrew, the pointer on the interface scale slider is incorrect. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10164
00:19:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:20:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:21:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:22:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
00:27:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg opened issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
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00:28:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
00:29:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
00:31:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
00:32:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
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00:32:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
00:35:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
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00:36:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
00:40:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg opened issue #10166: [Detail]: Finance window - Information about the interest rate is redundant now (6/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10166
00:44:25 <glx[d]> oh nice a flood wave 🙂
00:44:58 <reldred> absolutely zorg'd
00:45:25 <glx[d]> at least the reports are split
00:45:53 <glx[d]> but I won't check them now
00:48:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone dismissed a review for pull request #8304: Feature: Show the cargoes the vehicles can carry in the list window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8304#pullrequestreview-1175971623
00:48:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #8304: Feature: Show the cargoes the vehicles can carry in the list window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8304
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00:59:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #8304: Feature: Show the cargoes the vehicles can carry in the list window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8304
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06:43:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] krysclarke commented on issue #10161: [Bug]: The texts are out of place with true type fonts https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10161
06:55:10 <LordAro> good grief
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07:34:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #10159: [Bug]: Finance window: Category names are abbreviated in many languages (1/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10159
07:38:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #10160: [Bug]: Finance window - The title "Net profit" is most probably wrong (2/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10160
07:40:42 <LordAro> strange, website is still showing 20221111 nightly
07:46:01 <LordAro> i assigned Tyler to all the Zorg issues, since he did the redesign ;)
07:51:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro opened issue #10167: [Bug]: No way to differentiate uneditable AI/GS settings with ai_developer_tools enabled https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10167
08:07:40 <pickpacket> LordAro: Zorg issues?
08:11:35 <reldred> just zorg zorging
08:15:22 <andythenorth> net profit looks like EBITDA to me
08:15:28 <andythenorth> but I don't want to get involved
08:15:36 <andythenorth> money is meaningless
08:17:33 * andythenorth reads the rest
08:17:35 <andythenorth> you know what?
08:17:36 <andythenorth> fuck it
08:17:42 <andythenorth> that window should be adjustable in grf
08:18:23 <andythenorth> arguing back and forth about highlighting summaries, or not
08:18:25 <andythenorth> what a waste of time
08:19:05 <reldred> i mean that's pretty much all he does
08:19:37 <reldred> 'i dislike this minor detail, here's a two page essay about why it sucks and you should aliven't yourself'
08:21:56 <LordAro> that's a bit unfair
08:22:09 <LordAro> the latter was more or Rau's thing
08:22:14 <LordAro> more of*
08:22:48 <reldred> yeah okay that was a bit of hyperbole
08:22:54 <reldred> the two page essays though
08:23:21 <LordAro> oh sure
08:23:30 <reldred> the thought of what he could achieve doing literally anything else in the time it takes him to write those dissertations frightens me though
08:24:23 <reldred> I'm reminded of the spiderman comics meme though, 'i don't want to cure cancer, i want to turn everyone into dinosaurs'
08:24:46 <andythenorth> it's 90% pointless because it's genuinely subjective, as in, it makes sense for a specific viewpoint
08:25:04 <andythenorth> the problem is confusing that viewpoint with everyone's viewpoint
08:25:15 <andythenorth> if it was just plain wrong in UI / UX I'd close them
08:25:56 <andythenorth> /me wonders if it fits the criteria for actual bikeshedding
08:26:05 <andythenorth> most things that people say are bikeshedding aren't
08:26:08 <reldred> 'your two page essay amounts to a personal opinion, raise a PR with your amendments or GTFO'
08:26:34 <andythenorth> let's write a long essay about how to manage contribs
08:26:46 <LordAro> mm, the trouble is there's genuine 10% buried in there which needs to be distilled out
08:27:22 <andythenorth> yes
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09:44:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #10159: [Bug]: Finance window: Category names are abbreviated in many languages (1/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10159
09:45:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #10159: [Bug]: Finance window: Category names are abbreviated in many languages (1/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10159
09:51:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #10162: [Detail]: Finance window - Too large offset of the yellow text (3/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10162
09:55:58 <petern> Oh rght, he's not even using the new version so that indent level hasn't really changed with 10114 🙂
09:57:26 <petern> I was too lazy today, lying in bed while I could've been getting ready for Sunday Cycling
09:58:46 <petern> "Net Profit" could just be "Profit"
10:01:52 <petern> My laptop seems to have died while compiling.
10:09:14 <petern> Oh, I think the backlight is failing.
10:12:55 <FLHerne> if you're running Linux, there've been some 'interesting' changes to the backlight code in recent kernels
10:13:09 <petern> I think the only genuine bug in Zorg's list is the one already fixed 😄
10:13:12 <FLHerne> usual case of "this would be much more elegant if it didn't not work"
10:13:22 <petern> I'm running Debian 10, so not recent.
10:13:36 <FLHerne> ah
10:14:05 <petern> The laptop is a Core 2 Duo, so definitely mature enough to be... 1) supported 2) dying.
10:15:00 <petern> Also "why is it taking so long to compile"
10:20:43 <petern> I get a few compile warnings on this.
10:35:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on issue #10165: [Detail]: Finance Window - The financial summary can be confusing (5/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10165
10:38:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on issue #10162: [Detail]: Finance window - Too large offset of the yellow text (3/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10162
10:40:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #10162: [Detail]: Finance window - Too large offset of the yellow text (3/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10162
10:45:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #10161: [Bug]: The texts are out of place with true type fonts https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10161
10:59:12 <petern> I guess I should try fixing the indentation on the frame rate window.
10:59:47 <petern> It uses spaces in the strings to do it, instead of drawing in a different position.
11:00:03 <petern> Maybe I could add a string code that indents by the same width.
11:00:28 <petern> Might get tricky with layouters though.
11:26:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #10161: [Bug]: The texts are out of place with true type fonts https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10161
11:37:42 <andythenorth> string code for tab stops 😛
11:37:45 <andythenorth> or ems
11:40:34 <petern> Heh, actually {TAB} isn't a bad call :p
11:40:37 <petern> \t
11:40:51 <petern> But just for this one place... hmm, no :/
11:41:20 <petern> Hm, re #10161, I could bake the extra offset into the sprite, but that has to be done at the spriteloader level.
11:41:24 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041316850077794415/image.png
11:41:24 <andythenorth> we're not very consistent on indentation 😛
11:41:56 <petern> Requires is indented the same amount
11:42:00 <petern> Production just... isn't.
11:42:20 <petern> I thought I'd broken it tbh, but I checked and it's not indented before my changes either.
11:43:43 <petern> If i bake the offset into the spriteloader level, then it's 1) a global var, ew 2) i need to clear the sprite cache on any interface size change, not just changes between 1/2/4 levels.
11:43:57 <glx[d]> LordAro: But the actions ran fine
11:44:50 <andythenorth> petern: nah been like that forever 🙂
11:44:52 <glx[d]> And it's on the cdn
11:44:53 <petern> (Or somehow traverse the sprite cache and tweak the offsets for ST_FONT)
11:45:06 <petern> andythenorth: Check TTD 😄
11:46:10 <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041318049258684456/image.png
11:46:23 <petern> Okay, so Requires is all on one line, and Production IS offset a little.
11:47:24 <petern> That bit is also broken for RTL, which I could fix as well...
11:58:37 <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041321186228969532/image.png
11:58:37 <petern> Maybe?
12:11:22 <petern> When you instinctively click on the right button in the close game window, but you've got RTL on...
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14:12:36 <TallTyler> Oh dear, seems I've been Zorged yesterday
14:16:52 <petern> 🙂
14:18:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #10162: [Detail]: Finance window - Too large offset of the yellow text (3/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10162
14:18:31 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed issue #10162: [Detail]: Finance window - Too large offset of the yellow text (3/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10162
14:19:16 <petern> Hah, I increased it because I thought it was better, didn't know about any other discussion 😉
14:19:45 <TallTyler> I thought it was better too (and still think so)
14:19:47 <TrueBrain> it feels I got thrown under a bus there, dunno 😛
14:19:54 <TrueBrain> and yes, it is by far better 🙂
14:20:06 <petern> It's okay though, it's a "we all agree with you" bus 😄
14:20:13 <TrueBrain> 😄 😄
14:21:32 <TrueBrain> btw, we should remove those `:` from the infra window
14:21:34 <TrueBrain> that looks weird
14:21:44 <michi_cc[d]> TallTyler: Side note for the infrastructure window: Since the increased number of rail and road types, it really needs both scrolling and maybe expanding/collapsing.
14:21:44 <petern> Yup
14:21:45 <TrueBrain> shall I make a 1/9 ticket for that?
14:21:56 <petern> Hah
14:22:08 <TallTyler> The main point of the branch was to add a scrollbar, actually
14:22:28 <petern> Do you want to wait for my scroll-panel branch?
14:22:28 <TallTyler> Then I decided I'd make the formatting consistent while I was there
14:22:46 <TallTyler> I'd love to have you do more work for me 😉
14:23:01 <TallTyler> How long until you PR it?
14:23:07 <petern> Scroll-panel is intended to be very generic
14:23:09 <petern> Well..
14:23:24 <TallTyler> The scrollbar is implemented on my branch so waiting would actually save you more work than me
14:23:28 <petern> I've rebased it and need to make it work again 😄
14:23:55 <petern> Not really as the scroll bar is built in to the scroll-panel
14:25:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #10166: [Detail]: Finance window - Information about the interest rate is redundant now (6/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10166
14:25:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed issue #10166: [Detail]: Finance window - Information about the interest rate is redundant now (6/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10166
14:27:19 <petern> IMHO, that isn't pointless info just because it doesn't change... and it's not taking up space. So yes, closed 😄
14:30:24 <TallTyler> OpenTTD doesn't have dividends, right?
14:31:11 <TallTyler> I guess Villages Is Villages GS pays dividends though...how does the finance window account for money taken away by GS? Other?
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14:48:45 <petern> What were you going to say?
14:50:38 <TallTyler> I was going to say that if dividends don't exist, not accounting for them can't possibly be a bug
14:50:53 <TallTyler> But I guess I'll change the string...
14:50:58 <petern> Right
14:51:00 <TallTyler> `MONEY GO UP BY THIS MUCH`
14:51:16 <TallTyler> `IF MONEY WENT DOWN BUILD COAL TRAINS`
14:51:18 <petern> But should it?
14:51:28 <TallTyler> `Delta` 😛
14:51:34 <petern> Potentially that "should be" a GS thing, however shares are so broken by default...
14:53:43 <TallTyler> I have a draft proposal (text, not a branch) for adding player wealth and a real ownership system, but it would require #8420 to keep track of your wealth when the client is offline
14:56:17 <TallTyler> Or I guess more accurately to recognize you when you log in and unlock your personal bank account
14:59:25 <andythenorth> can we link it to twitter?
14:59:27 <andythenorth> tell Elon
14:59:38 <andythenorth> how about we do an alt-bank via the game?
15:04:17 <TallTyler> Our own crypto-currency, which can only be spent in-game? Money will be even more worthless if you can carry it over between games
15:26:54 <petern> Gah, didn't mean to link 😦
15:47:20 <petern> Laptop STILL compiling it 😦
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15:49:08 <dP> `Dimension icon; ///< Dimenion of the company icon.`
15:49:08 <dP> feels wrong to call dimension "icon"
15:49:33 <dP> icon_size?
15:55:54 <LordAro> so... beta2 when?
15:56:11 <LordAro> after petern scrollbar thingy?
15:56:17 <LordAro> & other fixes
15:56:32 <petern> Scrollbar is not that progressed sorry.
15:56:38 <LordAro> :(
15:56:45 <petern> But I am working on a fix for the FreeType font issue.
15:56:55 <LordAro> 👍
15:57:11 <LordAro> was there a quick fix for the scrollbars being 1px too wide?
15:57:15 <LordAro> in the meantime
15:57:29 <petern> They aren't?
15:57:42 <petern> It's the resize box, and that resize box has been 1px too wide since FOREVER...
15:57:48 <LordAro> ah
15:57:50 <petern> Although yes, there is ;D
16:01:59 <TallTyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041382428817760296/truck.png
16:01:59 <TallTyler> Truck is too high?
16:02:10 <TallTyler> (TTD base set)
16:03:24 <petern> Yes, it's because the sprite is now centred in a different way. It was centred before, just differently, so it was less noticeable.
16:04:48 <petern> Basically there's no information stored in the GRF files that all those sprites are 20x20.
16:05:21 <petern> I could force it in the code, perhaps.
16:05:39 <petern> (That Big GUI NewGRF would then break, but who cares about that)
16:12:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168
16:14:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #10163: [Detail]: Finance window - The location of total of revenues or expense seems not entirely legible and confusing (4/6) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10163
16:20:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10157: Fix #10154: Don't inconsistently set random company face in network games https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10157#issuecomment-1312768465
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16:27:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #10169: Fix #10161: Ignore ascender in FallbackLayouter for non-built-in fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10169
16:28:23 <petern> Dunno then, on 10157
16:29:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#pullrequestreview-1178268052
16:29:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#issuecomment-1312770089
16:29:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10157: Fix #10154: Don't inconsistently set random company face in network games https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10157#pullrequestreview-1178268118
16:30:49 <petern> > The financial result is the difference between earnings before interest and taxes and earnings before taxes.
16:30:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #10157: Fix #10154: Don't inconsistently set random company face in network games https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10157
16:30:52 <petern> Huh
16:30:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed issue #10154: [Bug]: PR #9895 can cause multiplayer desync on new company creation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10154
16:31:00 <dP> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041389731528835202/Screenshot_from_2022-11-13_19-27-45.png
16:31:00 <dP> hm, master doesn't look right at all...
16:31:27 <petern> dP: Try with #10169
16:32:37 <dP> I'll try a bit later
16:33:10 <petern> It works-for-me but would be nice to have more eyes and get in before the nightly.
16:33:55 <dP> Wanted to test League tables after rebase but couldn't even get past main menu😅
16:34:18 <petern> Pfft, you read the labels? Muscle memory is where it's at!
16:34:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #10169: Fix #10161: Ignore ascender in FallbackLayouter for non-built-in fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10169#pullrequestreview-1178268677
16:36:09 <dP> petern: GS UI also changed xD
16:36:45 <dP> More buttons now
16:36:59 <dP> Muscle memory failed
16:38:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10169: Fix #10161: Ignore ascender in FallbackLayouter for non-built-in fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10169#pullrequestreview-1178269092
16:38:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #8304: Feature: Show the cargoes the vehicles can carry in the list window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8304#pullrequestreview-1178269121
16:39:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10169: Fix #10161: Ignore ascender in FallbackLayouter for non-built-in fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10169#pullrequestreview-1178269299
16:40:48 <petern> Re that lLayout thing, it would be nice if the layouter
16:41:30 <petern> Re the layouter thing, it would nice if the layouter would point to the real font cache instance instead of the top-level, and broke the run up where necessary.
16:41:54 <petern> But that's a bit bigger in scope
16:42:53 <petern> Especially when I build with my svg font renderer it gets a bit messy 🙂
16:43:00 <michi_cc[d]> You mean like proper font fallback for the more exotic characters? 🤯
16:43:05 <petern> Basically, yes.
16:44:04 <petern> I installed the Debian build of OpenTTD on my laptop to check someone, and... it's 1.8. Oops.
16:44:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened issue #10170: Options GUI has no scrollbar https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10170
16:45:22 <petern> msys2 is possibly even slower than my laptop.
16:46:14 <petern> TallTyler: of course if you want it to match TTD, then none of the button contents should shift when the button is pressed either.
16:46:43 <petern> I tried to strike a balance when referring back to how TTD lays things out 🙂
16:46:58 <TallTyler> Are we talking about a scrollbar or something else...?
16:47:11 <TallTyler> Which button am I pressing to shift stuff?
16:47:25 <petern> The position of the truck on the toolbar menu.
16:47:54 <TallTyler> Oh gotcha
16:48:17 <TallTyler> That wasn't a complaint, just a "is this on purpose?" notification in case it wasn't 🙂
16:48:38 <petern> Sure. It definitely bugged me when I was first making this, 18 months ago ;l)
16:49:04 <TallTyler> The truck needs smoke to match the train 😛
16:50:51 <petern> I'm sure LC-Zorg will have an essay to write about it 🙂
16:57:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#issuecomment-1312775442
16:58:35 <TallTyler> Oh I misread your comment 🤦
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17:04:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler dismissed a review for pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#pullrequestreview-1178268052
17:04:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168
17:04:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#issuecomment-1312777145
17:06:18 <TallTyler> Also a screenshot now exists, somehow I took one before but forgot to include it
17:06:24 <TallTyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041398642445127821/changed.png
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17:07:24 <petern> Oops, left my vinyl preamp on, dead battery 😦
17:10:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #10169: Fix #10161: Ignore ascender in FallbackLayouter for non-built-in fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10169
17:10:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #10161: [Bug]: The texts are out of place with true type fonts https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10161
17:17:04 <petern> Phew, battery came in a two-pack, found the spare 😄
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17:24:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #8425: Feature: Contextual actions for vehicles grouped by shared orders https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8425#pullrequestreview-1178274120
18:02:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#issuecomment-1312787417
18:08:58 <petern> Oh that's annoying, just found a group of dead pixels :/
18:44:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #8304: Feature: Show the cargoes the vehicles can carry in the list window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8304
18:48:35 <dP> petern: checked (master now), lgtm
18:50:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/553e5e6bbeff9dba694e4888786a9cf45f0cf0d8
18:50:30 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:07:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #8304: Feature: Show the cargoes the vehicles can carry in the list window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8304#pullrequestreview-1178284966
19:08:10 <andythenorth> liveries next
19:08:19 <petern> We have liveries
19:09:28 <andythenorth> chunky ones?
19:12:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl updated pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001
19:12:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168
19:13:11 <dP> made it compile... now to understand how new gui methods actually work 😅
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19:17:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001#pullrequestreview-1178286008
19:18:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001#pullrequestreview-1178286114
19:19:27 <petern> Rect::Shrink is pretty simple, and is the most common case.
19:19:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001#pullrequestreview-1178286274
19:21:49 <dP> petern: I'm trying to figure out what's the proper way to do this now: <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/18331b218769f47af32a9ca993e0e6ad4dd16f58/src/league_gui.cpp#L335>
19:24:06 <petern> I'll comment on the PR 🙂
19:25:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10168: Change: Requested changes to the Finance GUI https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10168#pullrequestreview-1178286836
19:30:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001#pullrequestreview-1178287324
19:30:58 <petern> ^ untested ofc
19:31:08 <nielsm> wow, so much going on
19:31:17 <nielsm> (I've been away for a week)
19:31:54 <dP> petern: I'll try it, ty
19:33:05 <petern> TBH I would like a way to be able to pass an array of widths and have a bunch of Rects spat out, but I've not done that 🙂
19:34:24 <pickpacket> is there an Industry property that controls the probability of an industry closing down?
19:35:04 <pickpacket> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Industries Looking at this there's the probability of generating new instance at map gen and in game
19:36:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001#pullrequestreview-1178287923
19:36:29 <pickpacket> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/IndustryDefaultProps#Appearance_Chances with these examples I set the probability of a tea tree farm appearing in game at 2, but at that value the farms close down at a higher rate than they spawn, subsequently becoming fewer and fewer over time
19:37:11 <pickpacket> I'm testing with a value of 5 now, and so far it looks like that gives a decent balance of closures and openings
19:38:08 <pickpacket> but then if I were to add another industry the chances of new farms being spawned would be reduced again... I would really like to control the probability of closures
19:39:23 <pickpacket> I've set the industry type to ORGANIC, which apparently has an effect. It just doesn't say anywhere what that effect is
19:40:32 <dP> hm, don't think I like that interface slider scales font...
19:40:32 <dP> I have preferred font size I want in the config already, I just want to scale buttons.
19:42:43 <dP> so if I want larger buttons now it seems I need to calculate downscaled font size
19:43:44 <pickpacket> actually 5 isn't even high enough...
19:43:59 <dP> or is button size still tied to font size? if I make it smaller will it shrink buttons?
19:47:41 <andythenorth> oof
19:47:44 * andythenorth sick
19:47:45 <andythenorth> boring
19:48:03 <pickpacket> andythenorth: aw, shucks. I hope you feel better soon :(
19:48:18 <andythenorth> pickpacket if you want to control industry closure you have to write your own code for it
19:48:27 <pickpacket> :(
19:48:28 <andythenorth> the available implementations so far are all shit
19:48:35 <andythenorth> the recommended route is to use a GS
19:48:38 <andythenorth> but eh
19:49:11 <pickpacket> I just want to find some sort of balance between spawning and de-spawning of instances
19:49:29 <JGR> The easy solution is to have both spawning and closure turned off
19:49:54 <pickpacket> JGR: I don't want that... I want my NewGRF to work with standard settings
19:50:06 <petern> In general the separate font scale was a problem as some things were scaled by one dropdown, and other things were scaled by the other.
19:50:18 <JGR> You don't need to change the settings to disable those from your GRF
19:50:31 <andythenorth> yes, just leave everything default for closure in that case
19:50:42 <petern> What would be useful would be the ability to change font-size in-game.
19:51:21 <pickpacket> JGR: would that only impact the industries in my own NewGRF then?
19:53:41 <TallTyler> Yes
19:59:13 <JGR> It seems to be callback 22 for whether an industry is allowed to be built, and callback 20 for production changes and closure
20:00:44 <JGR> Callback 29 that is
20:09:23 <pickpacket> I don't know how to use callbacks, and I've already sunk so much time into this... Not really in a mood to have to learn that :/ I was hoping to solve everything I need with configuration rather than programming
20:15:35 <TallTyler> All you need is ```
20:15:35 <TallTyler> graphics {
20:15:35 <TallTyler> /* Don't allow any production changes */
20:15:35 <TallTyler> build_prod_change: 16; // 100% production
20:15:35 <TallTyler> monthly_prod_change: CB_RESULT_IND_PROD_NO_CHANGE;
20:15:37 <TallTyler> random_prod_change: CB_RESULT_IND_PROD_NO_CHANGE;
20:15:37 <TallTyler> }
20:16:07 <TallTyler> In the industry item
20:16:20 <pickpacket> wait... is it the production change that controls de-spawning?
20:18:08 <nielsm> yes
20:18:25 <TallTyler> Yes, when primary industries reach the lowest level of production they close after a period of time. Secondary industries close if they haven't had any production in five years, but are also prevented from closing with this code
20:18:27 <TallTyler> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oesqMKv11hI
20:18:49 <TallTyler> ^ Explains very well how production works
20:20:20 <TallTyler> I should note that the code I posted also makes industry production never change based on service
20:21:04 <TallTyler> Both FIRS and my industry sets use boost cargos to increase production but that's all callback code and it gets a bit involved
20:21:23 <THEONEPIECEISREAL> XIS momento:
20:21:44 <THEONEPIECEISREAL> Insane industry
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20:33:05 <glx[d]> petern: and the font itself
20:33:30 <glx[d]> but complicated due to multi OS support required
20:34:20 <petern> That too, I was going to too look into it but decided the scope was already massive 😄
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20:35:57 <petern> Main issue is how font selectors are represented is different across platforms.
20:36:17 <petern> "main" 😄
20:42:15 <dP> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1041452956685439046/Screenshot_from_2022-11-13_23-41-07.png
20:42:15 <dP> hm, I shink by framerect but on some scaling there is no padding on the right
20:42:45 <dP> maybe some rounding issue or so
20:44:34 <petern> Probably not accounting for all spacing when you determine the width necessary
20:46:11 <dP> oh, right, I had wrong padding constants there
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21:17:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl updated pull request #10001: Feature: [GS] Scriptable league tables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10001
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22:45:30 <petern> Well.
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