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02:43:44 <EmperorJake> Wasn't that guy banned from the github?
04:00:38 <TallTyler> Yes, and his username doesn’t even try to hide it 🤨
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07:23:08 <LordAro> tbf, does feel like the signal cycling should depend on the current window size, not the setting
07:26:43 <LordAro> seems i missed some stuff yesterday :)
07:26:50 <LordAro> TallTyler: no feature freeze until RC
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09:11:14 <petern> Back with the juicy vectors...
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14:37:01 <TallTyler> For the release notes, we might not want to phrase disabling local authority control as "rubber-stamping" — to me that sounds like a copy-and-paste feature that gets requested on a regular basis.
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16:48:43 <pickpacket> Which NewGRF is the best if I just want to add trams in general? I.e. I’m not looking for any specific trams
17:10:42 <Merni> Generic Tram Set and eGRVTS (which includes lots of trams and road vehicles) are pretty good
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18:14:03 <andythenorth> what shall we do today brains?
18:14:23 <petern> Make lots of little PRs?
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19:24:46 <TrueBrain> GOG also now has 13.0-beta1 published 🙂 Sorry for the delay!
19:31:03 <frosch> a gog 🙂 they still send these "0 units sold" mails, but in random intervals
19:55:44 <michi_cc[d]> TallTyler: If you pinky-promise to fix the inevitable bugs, I'll glady make the beta outdated right away (the PR needs a rebase though).
19:59:13 <petern> andythenorth: I have ability to make it smallerable in related chunks.
20:01:47 <petern> TallTyler: is that your first merge?
20:02:03 <TallTyler> Yes, did I do it wrong?
20:02:58 <TrueBrain> Party like it is 1999!
20:03:28 <TrueBrain> one small point of improvement: please always squash if possible; that way, the PR that made the change is added to the commit message, making changelogs slightly easier 🙂
20:03:34 <TrueBrain> only rebase if there is more than one commit in the PR 🙂
20:03:49 <michi_cc[d]> And just a FYI: PR can be merged by rebasing and by squashing. If there is more than one commit, rebase to keep.
20:03:59 <TrueBrain> sorry michi_cc[d] 😄
20:04:03 <michi_cc[d]> And of course squash allows to cheat on the commit message check 🙂
20:05:02 <petern> I still use regular merges on my work stuff, a bit verbose but seems to work okay.
20:07:06 <TallTyler> michi_cc[d]: I pinky-promise to fix any bugs 🙂
20:10:09 <TallTyler> Just so I'm clear, obviously nobody can approve their own PRs, but after that happens, is merging your own PR generally an accepted thing? Or does that depend on the size of the PR, where you'd want two people to "turn the keys" to approve and merge?
20:11:53 <frosch> merging your own PRs is fine. but I like to keep PRs open for a few days, so everyone has a chance to comment, if they want to
20:11:57 <michi_cc[d]> We like when somebody else does the busy-work 🙂
20:17:15 <TallTyler> This one's been open since June, so I suppose if you didn't get your thoughts in since then, you have some time while the actions run 🙂
20:24:10 <frosch> no problem here 🙂 sometimes someone has a great idea at 2 AM, and someone else agrees at 3 AM, and at 10 AM everyone thinks WTF 🙂
20:25:02 <TallTyler> Ah, that makes sense
20:26:55 <andythenorth> or there are 7 different opinions, and then we all give up 😛
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20:52:21 <TallTyler> Let the bug reports begin!
20:54:40 <TallTyler> Another upstreamed JGRPP feature for players to yawn at 😛
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20:58:35 <reldred> Blz add auto seperate
20:58:55 <reldred> Then I can start playing OpenTTD without pulling my hair out
20:59:44 <TallTyler> Yes, and split among a bunch of commits I believe
21:00:00 <andythenorth> but also existing auto-separate exists
21:00:15 <andythenorth> and removing things isn't allowed generally by the community
21:00:25 <andythenorth> due to the now over-used XKCD
21:01:04 <petern> You mean the existing auto-separate which is really hard to use, and hidden by ctrl probably?
21:01:16 <andythenorth> and is known to not work for ships
21:01:39 <TallTyler> Existing autoseparate doesn't keep vehicles separated, it just sets starting dates automatically based on the number of vehicles in the shared orders
21:01:47 <petern> I somehow doubt that vehicle type has any bearing on it.
21:01:51 <FLHerne> JGR's also doesn't, unless that changed quite recently
21:02:20 <TallTyler> My thought was to have timetable automation and autoseparation turned on automatically for vehicles without Full Load orders
21:02:23 <andythenorth> it's weird that it's vehicle type specific eh 🙂
21:03:03 <TallTyler> Although it wouldn't show up in the timetable window. Also if you manually timetable anything, it would disable the hidden autoseparation and automation
21:04:39 <andythenorth> autoseparate, load-through stations, profit
21:04:51 <andythenorth> not even sure I would use load-through stations, I just think it's clever
21:05:05 <andythenorth> not even sure I know how to use them 😛
21:07:38 <TallTyler> I think there are some sticking points in the existing implementation though, like vehicles which can't overtake (trams and trains on some networks) getting out of order and blocking each other waiting for their timetabled departure. I'd like to see what can be done with vehicles determining the correct sequence position automatically, or maybe just having vehicles which arrive much too early, when a depot order exists, keep runni
21:08:24 <andythenorth> oh that frigging ffwd latch on save
21:08:35 <andythenorth> is disabling auto-save the correct fix?
21:09:22 <TallTyler> Maybe a good bug report which explains how to consistently reproduce it would be the correct fix 😛
21:10:35 <andythenorth> I have disabled autosave for now
21:10:42 <andythenorth> my diligence is worn thin currently
21:11:01 <andythenorth> how do I do through load?
21:11:01 <andythenorth> I can't find an order for it
21:13:14 <petern> Oh, that's some other game.
21:13:14 <andythenorth> it's not in departures either
21:13:50 <andythenorth> must be a vehicle orders thing, probably right in front of my face, but not seeing it
21:14:39 <frosch> lol, a two-column gui 🙂
21:14:55 <frosch> the challenges steel town provides 🙂
21:15:15 <frosch> i think win3x file browser was also 2-columns ?
21:15:42 <frosch> andythenorth: just build a train longer than the platform?
21:15:50 <frosch> why would it need an explicit order?
21:16:25 <JGR> FLHerne: It does, but like everything with ships, it can be a bit slow to take effect
21:17:00 <petern> Oh that reminds me, the small map cargo/industry list scrolling...
21:17:10 <andythenorth> this train doesn't through load
21:17:24 <frosch> i don't recall whether i ever started win3x in dosbox
21:17:29 <andythenorth> it just stays in place loading, slowly
21:17:36 <frosch> but my 98 vm no longer works since my last cpu upgrade
21:17:51 <frosch> it's yet another "cpu too fast for OS" bug
21:18:01 <andythenorth> I wonder if this VM has a web connection
21:18:06 <frosch> there are even patches on github for it, but they did not work for me
21:19:02 <andythenorth> wonder what happens when it runs out of headshunt space
21:19:51 <frosch> oh, i better merge 10111 before 10121 breaks it :p
21:19:56 <andythenorth> oh it just leaves
21:19:57 <TallTyler> Drive off the end of the track?
21:20:05 <andythenorth> nah it just stops loading and goes to next order
21:21:17 <andythenorth> it looks nice eh
21:22:37 <andythenorth> if stations are 1 tile now, could delete FIRS outpost layours
21:22:52 <petern> Who needs bendy stations?
21:23:54 <andythenorth> I prefer talking about PRs than doing PRs 😛
21:23:58 <andythenorth> armchair developer
21:24:06 <andythenorth> I have commits to my name 😛
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21:47:10 <TallTyler> Another upstream should be NewGRF road stops 🙂
21:48:56 <frosch> is that that unfinished/unreviewe PR, or something else?
21:49:40 <TallTyler> It's fully implemented in JGRPP
21:49:49 <TallTyler> Based on that PR, but with the missing pieces
21:49:51 <frosch> i never looked at it, roadtypes is such a red flag for me 🙂
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21:54:02 <JGR> TallTyler: I ended up making more changes than just adding the missing bits
21:54:03 <TallTyler> I'd imagine that road stops are more similar to NewGRF stations than they are to roadtypes, but I guess I don't know 🤷
21:54:21 <JGR> The NewGRF interface in my branch does not match that in the PR
21:54:33 <petern> NewGRF stations are also a red flag.
21:55:16 <JGR> Roadstops is closest to NewGRF objects
21:55:38 <JGR> At least in terms of all the drawing/tile stuff
21:57:27 <petern> Layout specified in the action 2 chain?
21:58:13 <glx[d]> yeah using layouts like objects/industry tiles is the way to go
21:58:56 <glx[d]> stations is weird because little/lots
21:59:02 <petern> JGR, yes, I meant as opposed to the NewStations way that nothing else uses ;D
21:59:13 <petern> Stations are weird because they predate, yes.
21:59:28 <petern> For NewGRF docks, I went with the action 2 way too.
22:14:36 <reldred> Yeah I’ve got a semi-released newgrf for roadstops, I’m not putting it on bananas yet because there’s no point IMO if it’s JGRPP only.
22:16:13 <reldred> The feature works well
22:16:22 <glx[d]> bananas supports JGRPP only stuff
22:16:46 <reldred> Yeah I haven't sussed that out yet
22:17:19 <reldred> but yes, jgrpp's implementation of custom road stops works well, filter just for drive through or terminating, filter for cargo or pax,
22:17:32 <reldred> I'm only doing drive through for both cargo and pax in my set though
22:18:08 <petern> So does it need extracting from jgrpp?
22:18:36 <reldred> plz do so garryg can start making fifty million .grf's for it
22:18:58 <reldred> fridaemon and I have been messing with it, but being a jgrpp only feature has limited adoption
22:19:22 <reldred> I still need to play with jgrpp's newrocks support but I need sprites...
22:20:09 <petern> Extracting is pretty hard, everything gets intertwined.
22:24:02 <reldred> Yeah tell me about it. Kinda why I just stick to jgrpp any time I go playing with code. The codebases have started to diverge a bit.
22:24:06 <petern> There is a road-stops branch, it's not "clean" though.
22:24:23 <reldred> Probably not a 13.0 inclusion then 😛
22:25:06 <JGR> Pretty much nothing in my branch is going to apply cleanly on master
22:25:29 <reldred> Just ship JGRPP for 13.0, call it a day.
22:25:52 <petern> That undoes quite a bit.
22:27:04 <petern> It's difficult to know if there are other fixes for a feature not included in the branch.
22:27:38 <JGR> The road_stops branch in my repo is out of date, it could probably be deleted TBH
22:28:07 <JGR> Trying to keep endless feature branches up to date stopped being practical for me a long time ago
22:28:20 <reldred> Yeah there was a couple of tweaks I asked for after it went live iirc
22:28:59 <reldred> hey speaking of which, JGR did you NMLC get updated to include newstations support from trunk?
22:29:04 <petern> So extracting everything need for a feature... :/
22:29:31 <JGR> Yes, there have been a few more fixes since I last merged though
22:29:43 <JGR> I can sort that out soon enough
22:30:02 <reldred> Got it, well, don't hurry on my behalf, I'm still a long way off summoning the motivation to GRF again
22:34:02 <petern> Extended NewGRF variable parameter support. No idea.
22:35:08 <JGR> I don't control the NewGRF spec and the ID spaces are all very small
22:36:20 <petern> Ah so it's jgrpp extensions, not related to say "extended bytes" 🙂
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23:06:33 <petern> reldred: Basically, it's a rewrite :p
23:27:09 <petern> When did we remove $Id$? Can't be that long ago since the OpenGL blitter has it...
23:38:02 <petern> Explains it, newgrf docks is 4+ years old 😢
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