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02:19:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #10114: Variable scaling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10114
02:20:04 <petern> 🀷
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02:22:18 <petern> Bloody VS Code
02:28:16 <reldred> Merge pls
02:28:23 <reldred> Fix it in prod πŸ˜›
02:28:38 <reldred> 3x scaling is sorely needed on my mac and home desktop
02:39:21 <petern> Recompiling, then I'll force-push
02:41:15 <petern> At least the Windows builds compiled, I'm not imagining it working πŸ˜‰
02:48:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #10114: Feature: Variable interface scaling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10114
02:52:23 <petern> No new line :@D
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03:39:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #10114: Feature: Variable interface scaling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10114
03:51:08 <petern> That's looking better.
03:51:13 <petern> I might sleep now
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09:36:18 <LordAro> michi_cc[d]: missing releases/12 changelog updates :p
10:20:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #10114: Feature: Variable interface scaling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10114
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13:54:38 <petern> MMPX scaler is not too bad
13:55:28 <petern> Has issues with gaps in ground tiles at 4x though.
13:55:34 <petern> (As does Scale2x)
13:57:29 <petern> Hmm, doesn't really do much though
14:01:36 <petern> Also uses luma information, so palette animation pixels aren't going to be right.
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14:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> for ground tiles you probably need to do some tiling/infinite plane magic
14:41:16 <petern> Kinda, the issue is 1) which sprites are ground tiles 2) ground tiles that also have non-ground on extending up.
14:42:34 <petern> Well, the main issue is it doesn't really add anything πŸ˜„
14:43:22 <petern> I wonder if anyone is doing 1x 32bpp.
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14:46:57 <petern> I wish I could remember what algorithm I use that's meant to work well with isometric.
14:47:04 <petern> Cos my implementation is clearly broken.
14:48:00 <petern> It does produce better results that Scale2x and MMPX, but has glitches.
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18:14:18 <andythenorth> ^^ does any of this mean I can stop drawing FIRS graphics? πŸ˜›
18:14:26 <andythenorth> you are automating pixel generation via AI, yes?
18:16:40 <petern> No
18:16:49 <petern> Just playing, they don't work.
18:29:44 <andythenorth> more object IDs for OpenTTD 13? πŸ˜›
18:42:58 <petern> Have you?
18:43:35 <andythenorth> I have opened some code and stared at it πŸ˜›
18:44:02 <andythenorth> sometimes I have sympathy with those wannabe grf authors who say "but I can't code" πŸ˜›
18:44:30 <andythenorth> but then again...
18:46:10 <andythenorth> hmm
18:47:00 <andythenorth> it's a little bit the C++, and mostly that I have no real picture of state for OpenTTD
18:47:17 <andythenorth> I have a sort of understanding there's a map array, in linear tile order
18:47:21 <andythenorth> beyond that...dunno
18:48:38 <petern> Docks?
18:49:42 <JGR> Drawing/art and coding are skills which often don't occur together
18:51:21 <JGR> Having GRF drawing and coding done by separate people seems to work for a lot of GRFs though
18:51:42 <andythenorth> in the flash game world it was always a debate
18:51:51 <andythenorth> some people ran operations that split art and code
18:51:55 <andythenorth> some people combined the two
18:52:14 <andythenorth> my experience was that the very best artists simply couldn't code at all, and vice versa
18:52:43 <andythenorth> but (for small projects at least), the very best games were made by people who could do both, to a good standard
18:53:43 <andythenorth> my favourite work was me, an artist, and a programmer
18:53:55 <andythenorth> and I 'project managed' by actually building most of the actual game directly
18:55:26 <andythenorth> but TL;DR: no I have not raised the object limit to 65k πŸ˜›
18:55:41 <andythenorth> an extended byte is implied, and that is way beyond what I understand πŸ˜›
18:57:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/36084684baaa4ddda382efcd7be05714d9c8f613
18:57:02 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:39:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #10113: Doc: Prepare for 13.0-beta1 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10113
19:39:48 <michi_cc[d]> So, anybody got a witty announcement yet?
19:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause> is it april 1st yet?
19:43:40 <LordAro> ^ just that
19:43:46 <LordAro> with no other text
19:49:33 <andythenorth> I wouldn't mind us not having a witty announcement πŸ˜›
19:49:42 <andythenorth> mostly 'here is new' would do πŸ™‚
19:52:47 <m3henry> I get the feeling that adding a power-to-weight ratio string would require a new strgen tag, e.g. "{POWER/WEIGHT}"
19:54:40 <petern> Do you want that in hp/ton, bhp/tonne, watt/kg...
19:55:26 <m3henry> I guess that would be derived from the user settings for weight and power
19:56:31 <m3henry> And of course SI units particularly look wierd when you do that
19:56:43 <m3henry> kW / kg feels wierd, but is correct
19:57:00 <petern> As a cyclist, W/kg is perfectly fine πŸ˜„
19:57:13 <petern> (I'm not gonna reach kW tho)
19:57:58 <m3henry> If only the French hadn't got so revolutiony about the Grave
20:00:12 <m3henry> </aside> Is it worth me putting in the effort though?
20:00:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc opened pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238
20:01:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc updated pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238
20:01:24 <michi_cc[d]> I put something in, you may now start with butchering it.
20:02:30 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: Do we have a Steam image?
20:02:48 <TrueBrain> unless you made one, guess not πŸ˜„
20:03:08 <michi_cc[d]> Also, somebody needs to check and approve the changelog PR, or there's no release in any way.
20:03:21 <TrueBrain> did you fix what LordAro mentioned?
20:04:24 <michi_cc[d]> Yes, but actually looking at the commits wouldn't hurt πŸ™‚
20:04:36 <TrueBrain> michi_cc[d]: https://github.com/OpenTTD/appstore-data/tree/master/news <- pick #5 or something, add another background image, change 1.11.2 to 13.0-beta1, and let's go πŸ˜„
20:05:51 <TrueBrain> I see I need to commit a few new newsmessage I made, but okay ..
20:07:22 <petern> Weird, font_unix tries to find heavier (bold) fonts "they look better", and font_osx tries to skip bold fonts, cos "they look worse"
20:08:56 <michi_cc[d]> Website CI was not updated: https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/actions/runs/3364354636 πŸ™‚
20:09:32 <TrueBrain> we can overrule that result, so that will be fine
20:10:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #10113: Doc: Prepare for 13.0-beta1 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10113#pullrequestreview-1162493286
20:11:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238#pullrequestreview-1162493664
20:11:06 <TrueBrain> if you could make a nice Steam image before merging, I would appreciate that
20:12:02 <michi_cc[d]> No further types than the one I noticed right away? I'm surprised by myself.
20:12:17 <TrueBrain> didn't spot any, but also don't really have time/attention, I have to admit πŸ™‚
20:15:46 <andythenorth> you / your
20:15:49 <andythenorth> I can review in PR though
20:20:47 <michi_cc[d]> Please do.
20:22:00 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: Are the announcement images supposed to be pink when opened in Gimp? Interestingly the exported PNG looks fine, but it makes editing quite hard.
20:22:31 <TrueBrain> huh? No
20:23:11 <TrueBrain> transparency colour?
20:23:41 <michi_cc[d]> Where do you set it? Use Gimp like once a decade.
20:23:49 <TrueBrain> yeah, it was never pink for me πŸ˜„
20:23:58 <TrueBrain> I also don't have gimp installed .. πŸ˜›
20:29:31 <TrueBrain> installing took a while
20:30:28 <TrueBrain> nope, no pink here
20:30:54 <TrueBrain> well, if in doubt, sent me a background image, and a text you want, and I can click it together
20:42:25 <michi_cc[d]> I think I got it, PR to the repo or something else?
20:42:53 <TrueBrain> hmm .. so much effort; you can also just zip the xcf and attach it to the website PR, together with PNG
20:42:58 <TrueBrain> I will put them all into that repo soon
20:44:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc commented on pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238#issuecomment-1297662945
20:44:56 <TrueBrain> looks perfect, tnx
20:45:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc dismissed a review for pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238#pullrequestreview-1162493664
20:45:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc updated pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238
20:45:22 <michi_cc[d]> Sorry, had to fix the your/you.
20:46:21 <TrueBrain> ofc
20:46:25 <TrueBrain> andy never made it into the PR
20:46:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238#pullrequestreview-1162538109
20:47:12 <andythenorth> LGTM
20:47:15 <andythenorth> sorry got distracted
20:47:21 <TrueBrain> oeh, pretty bird
20:47:33 <andythenorth> if I had the idea earlier, I would have done a pumpkin version of our orange logo
20:47:35 <andythenorth> but nope
20:47:44 <TrueBrain> you still can andy, you still can
20:48:04 <michi_cc[d]> Please speak in the near future if you have any objections against releasing, or be quite forever πŸ™‚
20:48:17 <TrueBrain> let's go!
20:48:22 <andythenorth> +1 to go
20:48:33 <andythenorth> I will be quite forever πŸ™‚
20:57:34 <TrueBrain> michi_cc[d]: : I can force the website in a bit, but let's first merge OpenTTD's πŸ™‚
20:57:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10113: Doc: Prepare for 13.0-beta1 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10113
20:58:14 <michi_cc[d]> Well, let's see if the CI survives the tag πŸ™‚
20:58:27 <TrueBrain> yeah .. that is always a question πŸ˜„
20:58:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #238: Add: 13.0-beta1 announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/238
20:59:00 <TrueBrain> ah, found the right buttons .. was a bit searching πŸ˜„
21:00:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc created new tag: 13.0-beta1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/releases/tag/13.0-beta1
21:00:20 <TrueBrain> and now the fun part .. does Debian/Ubuntu still work ...
21:00:48 <michi_cc[d]> Is the release doing a mingw somewhere?
21:01:05 <michi_cc[d]> That always takes bloody long.
21:01:12 <TrueBrain> I don't think so
21:01:18 <TrueBrain> MacOS will be the slowest
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21:05:34 <TrueBrain> and nice work michi_cc[d] ; always happy someone picks this up when the time is ripe πŸ™‚
21:06:11 <TrueBrain> and there we go ... failure on Ubuntu
21:06:18 <TrueBrain> I fucking hate we never run those targets unless for releases
21:06:25 <TrueBrain> gives these unpleasent ... "surprises"
21:06:41 <TrueBrain> sadly, this is not something I can bypass ... and sadly means we have to remove the Release + Tag
21:06:43 <TrueBrain> fix the issue
21:06:45 <TrueBrain> and go again
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21:09:46 <TrueBrain> I think we better let the run continue, so we can discover if there are any more lingering issues
21:10:06 <TrueBrain> michi_cc[d]: : want me to remove the tag+release, or will you?
21:11:03 <michi_cc[d]> Any idea what "error: 'constexpr' call flows off the end of the function" even means?
21:11:37 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: Do I have the power? πŸ™‚
21:11:46 <TrueBrain> try it
21:11:48 <TrueBrain> dunno πŸ˜„
21:12:35 <TrueBrain> error seems to be `error: braces around scalar initializer for type 'void (*)(const CommandPacket*)'`
21:12:51 <michi_cc[d]> Release is gone. Can i delete the tag from the web interface or do I have to push?
21:13:07 <TrueBrain> via push
21:13:08 <TrueBrain> sadly
21:13:57 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: Yes, and I think I had less braces initially which caused all conforming C++17 compilers to fail or something.
21:14:13 <TrueBrain> lolz
21:14:28 <TrueBrain> so we drop Ubuntu 18.04 and Buster you say? πŸ˜›
21:15:00 <TrueBrain> EOL April 2023
21:15:25 <TrueBrain> I still don't like we keep those .debs .. we now have a Generic Linux, that should be enough honestly. But okay, fought and lost that battle long ago πŸ˜„
21:17:19 <michi_cc[d]> My problem is the `error: 'constexpr' call flows off the end of the function` from Buster, because the top google hits are all mentioning gcc regressions for this.
21:17:27 <TrueBrain> oof
21:17:46 <michi_cc[d]> Let's check the braces thingy with a test PR.
21:17:51 <TrueBrain> so I guess that is a reason to drop that target for real now πŸ˜›
21:18:13 <TrueBrain> the braces thingy is only an issue on 2 old compilers
21:18:31 <TrueBrain> sadly, you have to test it locally
21:18:37 <TrueBrain> there is no way to validate it on the CI 😦
21:18:51 <TrueBrain> well, or make a release in your fork, I guess .. much ugh
21:19:22 <michi_cc[d]> I want to try the current compilers first, no use in making gcc8 happy if everything else breaks.
21:19:39 <TrueBrain> good point
21:21:15 <Rubidium> just drop buster as it's EOL, and I reckon Ubuntu 18.04 is ancient so I wonder how many actual (home) desktop users will be using it
21:27:18 <TrueBrain> what he says πŸ™‚
21:28:23 <Rubidium> and maybe run the non-standard builds once every month during the nightly (if that isn't difficult to achieve), so it's more likely problems are caught earlier
21:28:55 <TrueBrain> personally, I just have issues that we build .deb but not .rpm πŸ™‚
21:29:12 <TrueBrain> and the generic Linux has proven to be pretty good, given that is the only one we push to Steam
21:29:20 <TrueBrain> so we might be better off making our lives easier, and just remove .debs
21:30:10 <Rubidium> less is more ;)
21:34:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #10115: Remove: [Actions] Ubuntu Bionic and Debian Buster from release workflow. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10115
21:34:23 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: Does ^^ miss any other spot to change?
21:35:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #10115: Remove: [Actions] Ubuntu Bionic and Debian Buster from release workflow. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10115#pullrequestreview-1162590662
21:35:01 <TrueBrain> spot-on
21:37:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #10115: Remove: [Actions] Ubuntu Bionic and Debian Buster from release workflow. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10115
21:37:07 <TrueBrain> there, to speed up re-release πŸ™‚
21:38:20 <petern> I use Bullseye on my Debian server, needed it for Java for Minecraft.
21:38:41 <TrueBrain> even petern uses a newer Debian, so we are fiiinnnnneeeeee πŸ˜›
21:40:33 <petern> :p
21:40:53 <michi_cc[d]> So, second try...
21:40:59 <TrueBrain> pam pam pammmmmmm
21:41:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc created new tag: 13.0-beta1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/releases/tag/13.0-beta1
21:49:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc opened pull request #239: Fix: Typo in 13.0-beta1 announcement. https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/239
21:49:59 <TrueBrain> lol
21:50:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #239: Fix: Typo in 13.0-beta1 announcement. https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/239#pullrequestreview-1162604252
21:55:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc merged pull request #239: Fix: Typo in 13.0-beta1 announcement. https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/239
22:02:06 <michi_cc[d]> "Only" OSX left.
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22:32:36 <TrueBrain> and still
22:32:38 <TrueBrain> fucking OSX πŸ˜›
22:32:42 <TrueBrain> "universal is fantastic"
22:32:45 <TrueBrain> yeah, except for the build time πŸ˜›
22:32:59 <TrueBrain> 35 minutes to build the ARM variant
22:33:05 <TrueBrain> 35 (!) minutes
22:33:15 <TrueBrain> other targets take 11 minutes
22:34:51 <michi_cc[d]> So, wait on Apple, wait on download page, tag website, wait on website, make announcements.
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22:36:22 <TrueBrain> you don't need to wait on download page honestlyt
22:36:57 <michi_cc[d]> I like to verify my website post links before publishing.
22:37:06 <TrueBrain> have faith in the system!
22:37:29 <michi_cc[d]> Did you check if I typed them right? πŸ™‚
22:37:45 <TrueBrain> they look fine πŸ˜›
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22:54:30 <TrueBrain> IT IS DONE
22:54:31 <TrueBrain> finally
22:55:02 <TrueBrain> pushed on Steam to testing successfully (was automated)
22:55:21 <TrueBrain> Published News on Steam
22:55:34 <TrueBrain> I assume you take care of the rest michi_cc[d] ? Let me know if I can help πŸ™‚
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22:56:24 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: https://github.com/OpenTTD/workflows/actions/runs/3365343860/jobs/5580718472
22:56:59 <TrueBrain> weird, never seen that before
22:57:08 <TrueBrain> means there are no index files on the CDN; not a real blocker for anything
22:58:52 <michi_cc[d]> Right now I don't have any download page for the beta.
22:58:55 <TrueBrain> seems some md5sum files were not uploaded; weird
22:59:21 <TrueBrain> you will after you tagged the website ... I think πŸ˜„
22:59:28 <TrueBrain> or maybe not
22:59:33 <TrueBrain> let me check if I can fix this real quick
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23:00:32 <TrueBrain> OSX is to blame
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23:01:57 <TrueBrain> there you go, all fixed
23:03:29 <petern> Drop it ;D
23:03:57 <michi_cc[d]> See, that's why I wait for the links for doing any tagging/announcing πŸ™‚
23:04:08 <TrueBrain> pffff
23:04:10 <TrueBrain> πŸ˜›
23:04:26 <TrueBrain> being exact never did anyone any good πŸ˜›
23:04:28 <TrueBrain> (ghehehe)
23:06:24 <TrueBrain> and now you can check the actual URL
23:07:05 <TrueBrain> it actually works, SCARY πŸ˜„
23:08:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc created new tag: 1.4.45 https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/releases/tag/1.4.45
23:10:10 <TrueBrain> nice nice
23:13:21 <TrueBrain> news visible on website now πŸ™‚
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23:14:23 <andythenorth> hurrah
23:22:19 <michi_cc[d]> Discord/Forums/Reddit/Twitter done.
23:23:09 <michi_cc[d]> Steam as well I see.
23:23:11 <andythenorth> thanks
23:23:36 <michi_cc[d]> Anything to be manually done for GOG and Windows Store (orudge)?
23:25:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #10116: Fix: Too many braces make old gcc sad. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10116
23:27:42 <TrueBrain> Owh, GOG .. I forgot .. oops .. tomorrow!
23:34:19 <TallTyler> Are we in feature freeze for 13 now? I was hoping multi-tile level crossings might make it in, as it’s pretty well proven in JGRPP β€” mostly I just cleaned up magic numbers and added saveload conversion.
23:43:33 <petern> That too many braces... doesn't even look like C++ :p
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