IRC Logs | #openttd | 2022-10-16

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01:05:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #10081: [Bug]: Without hardware acceleration, switching from Arabic to English results in black palette. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10081

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03:55:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #10082: [Bug]: Trains can continue unharmed even after destroying many road vehicles https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10082

05:23:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] krovellium opened issue #10083: [Bug]: Cheats menu doesn't work by default on macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10083

06:12:38 <LordAro> that's definitely a feature request

06:55:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #10082: [Bug]: Trains can continue unharmed even after destroying many road vehicles https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10082

07:13:55 <pickpacket> I thought they already could

07:51:12 <FLHerne> the feature request is that they explode

07:51:37 <FLHerne> I can't think of many people who would want that and aren't James

07:52:13 <FLHerne> oh, they're only "supposed" to break down

07:52:29 <FLHerne> which I suppose is a reasonable idea

08:33:33 <pickpacket> I’ll probably have a few hours to work on my sprites today. Going to make a couple of spritesets and tilelayouts to test them out in the game iteratively

08:33:56 <pickpacket> That’ll force me to save more often too 😂

08:40:19 <andythenorth> as a mac user, I learnt to save obsessively 😛

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08:48:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #10082: [Bug]: Trains can continue unharmed even after destroying many road vehicles https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10082

09:15:49 <TrueBrain> don't say me name thrice, you know what happens! 😛

09:18:10 <TrueBrain> which is what I Assume you are looking at

09:25:22 <andythenorth> sometimes I would like to space out vehicles on the same route

10:20:33 <TrueBrain> that moment you rewrite a piece of code on a project you are working on, from std::string & to std::string_view .. not only does it save a shitload of memory, it is also a lot faster, as I could remove some bullshit complexity 😄

10:21:29 <TrueBrain> and think here about 10 times less memory consumption

10:42:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9994: Fix #9993: Handle DPI changes on macOS and Windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9994#pullrequestreview-1143280089

11:12:22 <Wolf01> Weird, if I max out the graphics settings in no man's sky it runs better than low settings... in VR too

11:24:35 <TallTyler> andythenorth: I misread your Discord channel #developer-updates post as “Sam adds banana tankers” and realized that FIRS needs Bananas as a cargo in one of the subtropic economies, just for a fun cargo sprite 😛

11:37:26 <Wolf01> Time to replace the 2.5m cables with proper 0.5m patch cables, brb

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11:44:39 <andythenorth> TallTyler: needs a Geest ship

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12:06:24 <reldred> Nananananana na na nanana make those bodddddiiiieeeeesssss siiiiiiiing

12:10:57 <TrueBrain> oeh, SAM is no longer in preview? 😛

12:12:48 <TrueBrain> Are you now facking this?! 😛

12:13:42 <andythenorth> I might do Sam 1 before Sam 27

12:13:48 <andythenorth> although version numbers are old news 😛

12:14:08 <andythenorth> someone on reddit did ask if FIRS 4 was newer than FIRS 3

12:14:17 <andythenorth> which proves that version numbers make no sense

12:14:39 <TrueBrain> you should just have called FIRS 4 differently, yes 😛

12:15:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9889: Fix #9883: Show cost/income float over end tile of rail or road construction https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9889#issuecomment-1279957747

12:15:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9889: Fix #9883: Show cost/income float over end tile of rail or road construction https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9889

12:15:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #9883: [Bug]: The cost of building roads and tracks is often shown out of sight of the player https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9883

12:17:39 <TallTyler> andythenorth: I think that says more about the confused redditor than version numbers in general

12:18:16 <TallTyler> Did Star Wars episode 4 come out before Star Wars episode 3? Not that confusing, folks 😛

12:18:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #10060: Fix #9876: MacBook Touch Bar crash / render issues w/ 32bpp graphics https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10060#issuecomment-1279958341

12:24:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10051: Change: Minor widget changes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10051#pullrequestreview-1143289732

12:24:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10051: Change: Minor widget changes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10051

12:26:31 <TallTyler> Now do 9709 😛 I dismissed LordAro’s approval when I realized I forgot to update tooltips 😦

12:27:04 <TallTyler> 10027 is basically the same PR but with purchased land

12:27:54 <andythenorth> I'm not doing ferries any time soon

12:28:08 <andythenorth> it's 54 ships already, is that 'enough' for v1?

12:40:44 <michi_cc[d]> TallTyler: What's the expected behaviour for multi-tile objects?

12:44:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc requested changes for pull request #9709: Feature: Build objects by area https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9709#pullrequestreview-1143291303

12:48:55 <TallTyler> Multi-tile objects should just build one. There’s no behavior for tiling multi-tile objects and I’m not sure it’s worth adding.

12:52:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9709: Feature: Build objects by area https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9709#pullrequestreview-1143292151

12:54:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10052: Cleanup: Remove unused flag sprites. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10052#pullrequestreview-1143292332

12:56:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10068: Biggest first https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10068

12:56:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10052: Cleanup: Remove unused flag sprites. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10052

13:10:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc requested changes for pull request #10065: Fix #8252: Remove duplicate functionality in `screenshot.cpp` https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10065#pullrequestreview-1143293191

13:12:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10055: Fix: reduce framerate overhead in Train::Tick https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10055#pullrequestreview-1143293839

13:13:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #10055: Fix: reduce framerate overhead in Train::Tick https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10055#issuecomment-1279967365

13:13:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10055: Fix: reduce framerate overhead in Train::Tick https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10055

13:14:18 <TallTyler> TallTyler: Specifically, the drag-and-drop tile highlights only appear if the object is 1x1. Multi-tile objects get highlights at the object's dimensions and get placed on mouse down, with no option to drag.

13:14:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #9709: Feature: Build objects by area https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9709

13:18:26 <michi_cc[d]> TallTyler: Do I want to torture you a bit more? Yes, I do :raymmuPOG: newgrf.cpp:4086 and 4114 can use your shiny new constant ❤️

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13:39:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke updated pull request #10060: Fix #9876: MacBook Touch Bar crash / render issues w/ 32bpp graphics https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10060

13:40:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke commented on pull request #10060: Fix #9876: MacBook Touch Bar crash / render issues w/ 32bpp graphics https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10060#issuecomment-1279972395

13:45:55 <andythenorth> oof solid OpenTTD all weekend

13:47:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke commented on pull request #9994: Fix #9993: Handle DPI changes on macOS and Windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9994#pullrequestreview-1143296818

13:47:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke dismissed a review for pull request #9994: Fix #9993: Handle DPI changes on macOS and Windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9994#pullrequestreview-1113236503

13:47:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke updated pull request #9994: Fix #9993: Handle DPI changes on macOS and Windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9994

13:49:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke updated pull request #10060: Fix #9876: MacBook Touch Bar crash / render issues w/ 32bpp graphics https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10060

13:55:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke updated pull request #9996: Fix #9995: Adjust viewport zoom level for HiDPI displays https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9996

14:05:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke commented on issue #10083: [Bug]: Cheats menu doesn't work by default on macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10083

14:06:14 <FLHerne> andythenorth: it's understandable, FIRS 4 is a regression because there's no Extreme :p

14:06:30 <FLHerne> (only half in jest, I still play with 3)

14:08:14 <FLHerne> there's no UK-ish economy that's not Steeltown and not boring

14:08:46 <TallTyler> Steeltown is pretty extreme honestly. I need to start a new game sometime to finally try outposts and objects.

14:09:16 <andythenorth> v5 preview download in forums

14:10:42 <FLHerne> yeah, Steeltown has more than enough complexity, but it doesn't work for Realism except for a small-map urban-industrial dystopia

14:11:02 <FLHerne> which is fun in itself, but not always what I feel like doing

14:11:46 <TallTyler> Yes, and I think it’s finally time I try slowing down time significantly in JGRPP to avoid my usual clogged mainlines

14:13:08 <FLHerne> tbh Extreme was a bit more extreme than I really needed, what I'm waiting for is Temperate Advanced or whatever it's called ;-)

14:13:30 <FLHerne> at some point I'll stop being lazy and make my own

14:14:01 <FLHerne> FIRS economies don't look too hard except for the balancing and I don't really care about that :p

14:20:09 <andythenorth> this is the badger, but the cargoflow isn't connected up much currently https://grf.farm/firs/mild-mild-west/html/economies.html#mild_mild_west

14:20:32 <petern> All the lonely Pull Requests, where do they all come from...

14:25:38 <EmperorJake> XIS 2 is also heavily based on Steeltown but takes it in a different direction

14:27:13 <TallTyler> michi_cc[d]: Happy to make that change but I’m at work now. 😦 I can add a codechange commit to the PR tomorrow or just make a new PR (I promise I won’t forget) 🙂

14:29:44 <FLHerne> andythenorth: ooh, that looks quite like what I was looking for

14:32:58 <andythenorth> it's a long way off, I got distracted by Steeltown rework 😛

14:33:04 <andythenorth> and then I want to write a GS

14:33:09 <andythenorth> but writing a GS will suck

14:33:27 <andythenorth> play game, find bug, restart entire game

14:34:44 <andythenorth> I think GS can be used to create a GS runner

14:36:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10060: Fix #9876: MacBook Touch Bar crash / render issues w/ 32bpp graphics https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10060#pullrequestreview-1143301836

14:38:20 <michi_cc[d]> Maybe TB or glx can use their super-powers to override the pragma warning on #10060.

14:43:11 <FLHerne> in-game GS debugging would be fun :p

14:46:23 <JGR> The restrictions on adding/removing/changing GSs in game are unnecessary and can be removed without anything terrible happening

14:47:14 <JGR> That on its own makes using/testing GSs much less of a pain in the rear

14:48:19 <JGR> The AI/GS debug window has a debug breakpoint function but I've not managed to do get it to do anything useful

14:50:37 <andythenorth> I can't remember what happens if a GS changes under OpenTTD?

14:50:49 <andythenorth> it needs a game save-load to pick it up?

14:51:23 <andythenorth> and the same if the running GS crashes, save-load is the only way to restart it?

14:52:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9994: Fix #9993: Handle DPI changes on macOS and Windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9994#pullrequestreview-1143303255

14:52:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9994: Fix #9993: Handle DPI changes on macOS and Windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9994

14:52:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #9993: [Bug]: Moving window between retina and non-retina causes incorrect scaling https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9993

14:55:49 <andythenorth> wonder what happened to my tt-foundry domain 😛

14:56:03 * andythenorth considering starting a model train company for TT:120 trains

14:56:16 <andythenorth> maybe that's how we fund the game?

14:57:20 <andythenorth> we already have forums with an appropriate name 😛

14:57:36 <andythenorth> maybe we do a thing where you can click 'buy train' in game

15:00:54 <ag> Now I have yet another website to look at made by Andy

15:25:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #9889: Fix #9883: Show cost/income float over end tile of rail or road construction https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9889#issuecomment-1279991647

15:32:18 <dP> JGR: Save/load handling may be an issue. Even if stored data is reset I'm not sure all have scripts can initialize mid game

15:32:52 <JGR> Most scripts barely work with ordinary save/load anyway

15:34:03 <andythenorth> is there anything scripts need that is only available at worldgen?

15:34:12 <andythenorth> I don't know the load order, events etc

15:34:20 <JGR> The only issue that I've actually had doing this sort of thing is town growth being left at custom values when the script is removed by whatever means

15:34:46 <andythenorth> is that worth some reset-to-default thing?

15:35:51 <dP> Scripts without save load basically meant it has no internal state

15:36:39 <dP> I know simple CB does some map generation and requires save load

15:37:05 <JGR> Or when you load the game, the script pauses the game and then spends its sweet time recalculating the previous state

15:37:22 <dP> I suspect any CB script needs save load as there is nowhere to store town requirements otherwise

15:37:52 <JGR> The default save/load opcode limit is too small for that

15:38:49 <dP> Hm, though CB can use cargo monitor that gets saved by the game...

15:43:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #9709: Feature: Build objects by area https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9709

15:43:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9709: Feature: Build objects by area https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9709#pullrequestreview-1143308092

16:00:23 <andythenorth> goes it increase object limit next? 😛

16:00:28 <andythenorth> FIRS hit it trivially 😛

16:05:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #10084: Fix #9889: Restore Tile validation after the parameter swap. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10084

16:09:23 <michi_cc[d]> glx[d]: Could you force merge #10060? I don't think reformatting the files just for two #define lines is reasonable.

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16:20:30 <TallTyler> Thanks for fixing that. I had no idea where to start (and as mentioned, am at work 😛 )

16:22:27 <michi_cc[d]> TallTyler: I sneaked something into your PR, will merge when that sloooow mingw is finally done.

16:24:49 <TallTyler> I’ll rebase 10027 atop master tomorrow because it now has a different history. Hopefully it shouldn’t be too difficult to untangle.

16:27:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9934: Fix: ScriptRoad::HasRoadType really check for RoadType https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9934

16:27:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9905: Fix: List a max of four share owners instead of three https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9905

16:28:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9709: Feature: Build objects by area https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9709

16:28:31 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9930: Add: ScriptCargo::GetWeight to get cargo weights https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9930

16:29:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9898: Fix #9869: remove docking tile when doing a clear square https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9898

16:29:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #9869: [Bug]: DC_FORCE_CLEAR_TILE water removal path not correctly removing docking tiles https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9869

16:53:20 <glx[d]> michi_cc[d]: Mobile app is a pain, it only propose squashing

16:55:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #10060: Fix #9876: MacBook Touch Bar crash / render issues w/ 32bpp graphics https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10060

16:56:05 <TallTyler> DorpsGek: I believe 9907 should be closed as an unimplemented alternative to this 🙂

18:30:42 <TrueBrain> was checking if the bridge was giving any issues .. it is surprisingly stable. Just it sometimes, really rarely, seems to miss a message on IRC and doesn't bridge it, or something .. not exactly sure what is going on, honestly

18:31:23 <TrueBrain> haven't found an issue with Discord -> IRC yet

18:44:31 <andythenorth> not a bad name for a company

18:54:47 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)

19:13:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] krovellium commented on issue #10083: [Bug]: Cheats menu doesn't work by default on macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10083

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23:26:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #10084: Fix #9889: Restore Tile validation after the parameter swap. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10084#pullrequestreview-1143373765