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09:38:51 <TrueBrain> yes yes, CodeQL, you don't get `noqa`
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09:56:21 <TrueBrain> I really hope this went well, as it told me my task definition was wrong, but it continued anyway ..
09:56:40 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 12 hours, 11 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <frosch123> i am just surprised they accepted /dev/random, because it is platform-specific
09:56:41 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you.
09:56:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
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10:32:23 <AlexZus> Hey guys, I have an idea for improving building gameplay. Could you please share your opinion on that? The idea is to implement AI support for building the transport network. It could be named 'AI advisor' and implemented as an additional addon API for Squirrel scripting. So a user could select two points on the map and the AI advisor will construct the network plan in the special viewport. The user could see the cost of the network,
10:32:24 <AlexZus> could configure parameters and could generate a new plan if necessary. If the user is satisfied with the building plan, then he could start applying this plan in one click fully or partially (within some cost limit). Such a feature could be interesting not only as better gameplay but also as a good instrument for developing libraries for AI opponents.
10:35:15 <nielsm> I see two major technical obstacles, first that currently companies are either "human controlled" or "ai controlled" (or uncontrolled or not existing), but there isn't a mechanism for having both a script and one or more humans in a company. second is that there is no provision for showing/storing "plans" for modifications to the landscape.
10:36:02 <nielsm> there's also the question how it would interact with multiplayer, if it would even be available there, if it would run on server, or if it would be an entirely client-side thing
10:37:09 <nielsm> and if it's entirely client-side then multiplayer servers might want a way to limit or prevent its use (probably not actually possible) since using AI assistance could be considered cheating
10:40:17 <nielsm> as to whether it's useful or desirable at all, I don't know, it's not something I can see myself using, to me the point of the game is the details of the construction as much as it's the strategic planning, removing or reducing the network construction detail would make it a completely different game
10:40:43 <nielsm> (and I don't think that game would have anywhere near as much "meat on it")
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15:19:03 <AlexZus> <nielsm> thank you for your thoughts.
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15:24:51 <nielsm> AlexZus: to a degree it is possible already, you can make a Game Script that can take some input for coordinates or whatever, and then build some or all of a route, impersonating the player too even
15:32:08 <AlexZus> That is interesting, thank you. I tried to develop AI and such a possibility is quite useful for the development.
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20:49:15 <frosch> TrueBrain: why is the bot using a cat avatar 😦
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20:49:18 <TrueBrain> frosch123: happy with your cow?
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20:49:41 <glx> ok discord invasion it seems
20:49:42 <TrueBrain> frosch: You do not like cats? 😦
20:50:04 <TrueBrain> glx: invasion invasion ... friendly people joining in the fun or something like that 😛
20:50:16 <glx> this chan will never be quiet again
20:50:18 <NEKOMASTER> Sometimes I forget that IRC exists despite having used it for a while years ago
20:50:52 <TrueBrain> you can forget it exists again NEKOMASTER , and just enjoy Discord
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20:51:08 <TrueBrain> and for those that don't want to, IRC is not relayed to Discord, in a relative native form 🙂 So don't worry 🙂
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20:51:14 <andythenorth> if you read the logs, the irc channel has about 1.5 messages per day
20:51:16 <NEKOMASTER> Can't tell me what to do, now i'll be SURE to remember IRC out of SPITE
20:51:19 <frosch> i can't tell on irc, whether it's the real truebrain, or the fake one
20:51:30 <TrueBrain> frosch: exactly the idea 😉
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20:51:38 <wyndbain> This seems interesting
20:51:38 <frosch> but i highlight myself 🙂
20:51:50 <TrueBrain> (see how even highlights carry over just fine)
20:51:51 <NEKOMASTER> The stuff we say goes to IRC too right?
20:52:04 <TrueBrain> check it out yourself if you don't want to join 🙂
20:52:14 <LordAro> ...i've been out of the loop, why is this happening?
20:52:26 <LordAro> we've always shut down ideas of bridging in the past
20:52:30 <TrueBrain> because I got sick of Matrix fucking up my OFTC connection 😛
20:52:34 <frosch> TrueBrain: it did not work from irc, when your fake had not yet joined
20:52:39 <NEKOMASTER> Because some of you old timers dont want to leave IRC and come to our wonderful discord server 🙂
20:52:54 <TrueBrain> frosch: correct. I have to speak first 🙂 Just .. to avoid people .. having fun 😛
20:53:16 <glx> for the fun I could ban all discord users :)
20:53:20 <frosch123> LordAro: because noone like having multiple chat clients
20:53:40 <andythenorth> I was being mocked for iOS disconnects 😛
20:53:43 <TrueBrain> glx: you could; we can have a e-peen context, to see who wins 😛
20:53:50 <andythenorth> there's no one reason 😛
20:53:55 <frosch> at least my cat looks less stupid than glx'
20:54:36 <TrueBrain> LordAro: give it a week, and everything is like normal 🙂
20:55:18 <glx> I'm still backreading andythenorth's monologue
20:55:51 <LordAro> i'm mildly surprised it's allowed by OFTC at all
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20:56:10 <LordAro> given presumably you're impersonating users at some level
20:56:48 <glx> they are all different users, with a personal ipv6
20:56:57 <TrueBrain> exactly the same thing Matrix does 🙂
20:57:20 <LordAro> but you're TrueBrain on both, right?
20:57:24 <DorpsGek> frosch: Error: You don't have permissions to perform this action.
20:57:27 <LordAro> how does it manage to do that?
20:57:46 <frosch> oh silly me... being op and being known to dorpsgeks are different things
20:57:48 <TrueBrain> Matrix disconnected me .. AGAIN
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20:57:53 <glx> frosch: you need to do it manually
20:58:12 <TrueBrain> LordAro: If Matrix ever reconnects, I will be called differently
20:58:24 <TrueBrain> you cannot have 2 IRC clients with the same name on IRC, ofc 🙂 Not violating anything weird here 🙂
20:58:24 <frosch123> glx: via the bridge? how
20:59:01 <TrueBrain> hmm .. guess I do need to add private messaging after all frosch 🙂
20:59:03 <glx> hmm private message to chanserv
20:59:06 <TrueBrain> so you can identify to nickserv 🙂
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21:01:30 <TrueBrain> I guess glx[d] now is a fine example how both Discord and IRC user live on the same network
21:01:56 <TrueBrain> that is your own highlighter being a bit ... aggressive in matching 😄
21:02:19 <glx> it just matches glx, because I'm lazy
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21:02:58 <TrueBrain> but I have the suspicion that within a week, IRC is like it always has been 🙂
21:03:14 <glx> yeah like any new stuff on discord
21:03:43 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: we receive you michi_cc[d] 😛
21:04:04 <TrueBrain> it is just ~350 lines of code
21:04:16 <TrueBrain> so we have full control over what and when it does how
21:04:17 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i don't follow, why would irc be like it always has been?
21:04:26 <frosch> why is everyone getting a [d], but i didn't?
21:04:28 <TrueBrain> LordAro: because you will not notice I am talking from Discord 🙂
21:04:34 <TrueBrain> frosch: because `frosch` wasn't used
21:04:43 <glx> because you don't have 123 on discord
21:04:47 <TrueBrain> it tries to claim the name you have on Discord if possible; only if that fails, it adds things
21:04:55 <LordAro> i mean, the emoji use is a good sign
21:05:10 <LordAro> s/good sign/big clue/
21:05:11 <TrueBrain> mostly because I fucking hate the `[m]` matrix does, as do others
21:05:29 <TrueBrain> LordAro: yup! And don't you love it? Took me a while to get it disabled on the Matrix client ...
21:05:32 <frosch> ah, ok, well, i wasn't frosch on irc, because somone else registered that nick, who as already not active in 2007 :p
21:05:34 <TrueBrain> unicode is the future ........ or something
21:06:13 <TrueBrain> you are learning quick my friend 🙂
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21:29:20 <Xaroth> It's like talking to myself, how odd
21:29:27 <TrueBrain> so a normal friday?
21:29:38 <Xaroth> more like... any day of the week.
21:29:44 <TrueBrain> I do wonder how long it takes Matrix to reconnect me to IRC again .. most likely a few hours ..
21:30:24 <TrueBrain> every time after a netsplit .. not sure why it takes the Matrix bridge so long
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23:56:35 <reldred> irc and discord, together at last
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23:58:08 <FLHerne> oh, is it actually working now?
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