IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2022-03-08
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18:47:40 <andythenorth> hmm do I need 20 cores?
18:47:59 <andythenorth> and 64 GPU cores
18:57:50 <frosch123> 64 gpu cores? aren't those 3 or 4 digits usually?
18:59:09 <glx> oh the apple thing was today ?
19:03:31 <andythenorth> and international Apple marketing video day
19:04:27 <andythenorth> and international $5000 computer pricing day
19:04:48 <andythenorth> briefly considered one to make nml faster
19:05:17 <andythenorth> maybe if nml was multi-thread capable :P
19:08:27 <frosch123> i am not sure whether they spent that much money for all my computers of my life
19:10:48 <supermop_work> frosch123: sounds like the key is to get a "they" to buy your computers instead of an "i"
19:12:50 <andythenorth> ok so who's down?
19:13:02 <andythenorth> or is something up with DNS somewhere?
19:13:32 <frosch123> you have to click a .ru url to clear your cookie cache
19:13:56 <andythenorth> I will do that....shortly?
19:14:29 <frosch123> openttd.org admins told that to all ottd users, so it must be important
19:16:27 <nielsm> discord seems to be hit at least and I think they're hosted on google's stuff
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19:36:25 <andythenorth> but irc still works :P
19:59:54 <nielsm> the value of having an actually distributed system that survives as fragments if it fragments, and with open server software that can be run by anyone willing to set up the hosting
20:18:11 <supermop_work> i can't log in to spotify
20:18:53 <supermop_work> feel vindicated for wasting so much money on vinyl the past two years
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20:37:10 <Cthulhux> nobody i know has even noticed that spotify and discord are down
20:37:26 <Cthulhux> because i don't want to be friends with a hipster :D
20:37:55 <glx> discord partially works for me
20:38:12 <Wolf01> For me it works like ever
20:38:15 <Cthulhux> i wonder how often spotify needs to be down before people notice that actually having a music collection is ... a good idea
20:38:24 <Wolf01> I never used it, so I don't care :P
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20:45:45 <andythenorth> what even is a hipster?
20:47:02 <Cthulhux> people using spotify.
20:48:21 * andythenorth wonders who wrote spotify
20:48:44 <LordAro> i'm pretty sure being all high and mighty about not using spotify makes you the hipster here
20:49:41 <andythenorth> LordAro not sure if it overlaps with my generation, but did you have 'trendy' as an insult when you were growing up?
20:49:53 <andythenorth> as in "that's just for trendies"
20:50:17 <Wolf01> That's still an insult here :D
20:50:19 * andythenorth tries to navigate modern life with only a late 1980s map for guidance
20:50:33 <glx> I have a spotify account since the early beta, and I never used it
20:50:44 <andythenorth> is OpenTTD for hipsters?
20:51:39 <glx> and spotify is actually related to openttd ;)
20:52:00 <LordAro> i think i did know that at one point
20:52:41 <glx> utorrent is too (but now it's garbage)
20:54:04 <Cthulhux> " spotify is actually related to openttd" that explains why btpro servers have timeouts today
20:55:48 <supermop_work> yeah, physical music collections are much more 'hipster' than a mainstream corporate run music streaming service
20:56:38 <supermop_work> "Only Hipsters use Microsoft Excel, regular people use pen and paper spreadsheets..."
21:00:06 <supermop_work> andythenorth: over the past 15-ish years I've noticed a very weird evolution of the term hipster in vernacular usage
21:01:09 <supermop_work> spending those 15 years living in the east village, fitzroy north (melbourne) and chinatown has been an odd vantage point to what the rest of America thinks is a Hipster
21:03:39 <Timberwolf> glx: When are you planning to replace a performant C++ client that's a little clunky in places but largely works with a web framework based tyre fire?
21:03:46 <Timberwolf> (and no, the wasm version doesn't count ;) )
21:04:04 <andythenorth> supermop_work I don't know much about hipsters, other than where I live was fairly ground zero for UK hipsters
21:04:14 <andythenorth> hoxton, bristol, brighton
21:04:24 <andythenorth> I believe was the hierarchy
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21:04:30 <supermop_work> that's sort of what i mean
21:04:49 <supermop_work> now i think they are mostly mythological here
21:05:02 <glx> Timberwolf: and ads everywhere ?
21:05:12 <supermop_work> a boogieman for the anyone who wants define themselves as non-hipster
21:05:22 <supermop_work> but the east village was the ground zero
21:05:28 <Timberwolf> glx: Also hiding the "new game" button behind "listen to this podcast we think you'll like" button.
21:05:31 <supermop_work> and fitzroy the same for melbourne
21:05:59 <Timberwolf> Shoreditch is kind of weird, the theme park version of hipster and the real hipster places coexist. (Although the latter have been pushed more and more to the edges)
21:08:10 <supermop_work> Timberwolf: by the time i visited there in 2010 ish it seemed like it was more in the historical themepark version
21:10:18 <Timberwolf> It's even more so now.
21:10:31 <Timberwolf> At least 2010 was before the Strongroom was full of stag dos.
21:12:18 <supermop_work> now the east village is a theme park, williamsburg a Riviera for rich europeans, and Bushwick/Ridgewood just pretty normal neighborhoods with some cool bars but not worth a treck out for just for that
21:12:28 <Timberwolf> I think the proper London hipsters either moved out to the estuary towns or went east and started families, businesses or both.
21:13:31 <andythenorth> Timberwolf if it's any consolation Apple Music (formerly iTunes) is also a car crash
21:13:57 <andythenorth> moderately frequent topic in my Twitter: "are there are _any_ good music services / apps?"
21:14:06 <andythenorth> at this point YouTube looks like the winner :P
21:14:24 <supermop_work> andythenorth: a lot of people i know say youtube the least bad
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21:15:02 <supermop_work> i like bandcamp for exploring artists
21:15:42 <supermop_work> spotify the most seamless for wife and i using wireless speakers around the apartment though
21:16:27 <Timberwolf> We have too many devices where it's the easiest and least-hassle integration.
21:16:36 <glx> bandcamp is now owned by epic
21:17:19 <supermop_work> glx: its also a slippery slope to buying more vinyl
21:17:29 <Timberwolf> e.g. Denon kit turns up in Spotify Connect and (barring the occasional bit of amnesia between the device running the UI and the device playing music) largely works fine.
21:17:38 <supermop_work> espescially on the 'band camp frdays'
21:17:50 <Timberwolf> All of the other services are 2-3 levels deep in a HEOS submenu.
21:18:56 <supermop_work> Timberwolf: yeah i wish i had some kind of just works great media pc with a raid nas full of songs, but spotify works easiest with all the stuff we have
21:19:14 <andythenorth> I think I have an ipod somewhere
21:19:28 <andythenorth> the apple mobile music experience is a shitload better than desktop for some reason
21:19:37 <andythenorth> seems they managed to avoid self-inflicted footgun issues
21:19:49 <Timberwolf> I still have a Squeezebox network, it still works "no worse than any other music service" for stuff I actually own.
21:21:02 <Timberwolf> Logitech really wasted an opportunity with that.
21:21:23 <supermop_work> i'd go fo an 4th gen ipod built into a stereo receiver or something
21:22:11 <Timberwolf> They had no idea what to do with the software though, it was built as an "enthusiast grade" system for people who casually ran a Linux server at home, and nothing embedded could run the server software in a way that was plug-and-play for the average user.
21:22:11 <supermop_work> used to have a bunch of those apple plug things, that you could plug a speaker into
21:22:17 <supermop_work> never worked that well
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21:22:34 <andythenorth> I still have one, wife uses it all the time with iphone
21:22:54 <andythenorth> it's about 15 years old or so
21:23:08 <andythenorth> it's probably an internal DDOS vector or something :(
21:23:36 <supermop_work> oh most definitely
21:24:15 <supermop_work> sonos? worth the $?
21:24:50 <Timberwolf> 15 years old would class as relatively recent for hi-fi components in this house.
21:25:08 <supermop_work> honestly pulling speaker wire through the walls seems like still the best option
21:27:24 <supermop_work> pull speaker wire and cat 6 to every room
21:27:44 <supermop_work> andy can pull OO to every room while he's at it
21:39:13 <andythenorth> just play music on an iphone
21:39:18 <andythenorth> it's technically stereo
21:39:34 <supermop_work> put it in a cup
21:39:40 <supermop_work> for better sound
21:44:14 <Timberwolf> We put one in a chairlift support pole in Austria (they have holes near the bottom), that sounded surprisingly good.
21:44:39 <Timberwolf> I would have thought there was too much volume of air for such a small speaker.
21:45:00 <supermop_work> i think it has to do with the cross section
21:45:24 <supermop_work> at least that's how horn speakers work
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22:42:41 <Cthulhux> "put it in the cloud"
22:42:51 <Cthulhux> "so it will be more ReLiAbLe"
22:42:59 <Cthulhux> the never ending joke..
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