IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2022-03-07
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14:11:47 <andythenorth> how about TrueBrain !
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18:24:04 <TrueBrain> Only if you also send me your death certificate :p
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19:13:50 <TrueBrain> frosch123: andy picked me over you!!! :P :P :P :P
19:16:21 <frosch123> i am fine with you taking over the firs bugs
19:16:59 <frosch123> though maybe andy has a private repo with all the bitcoin keys
19:17:18 <TrueBrain> you will never knowwwwwww
19:18:19 <frosch123> are you planning to know in near future?
19:19:11 <TrueBrain> I would like to say: no!
19:19:58 <TrueBrain> I like that GitHub is not for "dropping of the face of the earth"
19:20:29 <TrueBrain> how do they validate death certificates, I wonder
19:20:40 <TrueBrain> this to morbid to talk about?
19:21:54 <frosch123> they mostly have to identify you, and make sure that your country considered faking certificates a crame
19:22:46 <frosch123> anyway, i do not see the point in inheriting public repos
19:23:22 <frosch123> a fork is not much different, so it's only about moving issues and PRs, maybe wiki
19:25:01 <TrueBrain> guess for some projects it makes sense
19:25:06 <TrueBrain> as "upstream" is the only right one
19:26:20 <TrueBrain> I would also expected it to work for private repos, but nope
19:26:41 <TrueBrain> (at least, the help page suggests as much; I didn't just kill anyone)
19:28:06 <frosch123> oh, private is not included, then i understand it even less
19:29:02 <frosch123> anyway, i am considering writing a c++20 defect report
19:29:54 <frosch123> std::counting_semaphore has methods "acquire"/"release" instead of "lock"/"unlock", so it does not work with std::lock_guard
19:30:25 <frosch123> so i would need yet another RAII class for exception-safe usage of semaphores
19:33:11 <andythenorth> but ground types?
19:33:30 <TrueBrain> he just ignored the whole conversation, interesting
19:33:53 <TrueBrain> it is all an illusion!
19:34:12 <andythenorth> I just thought frosch123 has done enough to help me, and maybe someone else could have the burden :P
19:34:28 <andythenorth> all those OpenTTD PRs and re-explanations of simple facts about newgrf :P
19:34:50 <andythenorth> on the other hand, no good deed should go unpunished?
19:35:54 <supermop_work> waiting a week and a half fantasizing about buying something on ebay apparently is not the same thing as buying it
19:37:13 <andythenorth> apparently that's more ethical
19:37:17 <andythenorth> reduced consumption
19:37:40 <andythenorth> so I made £320 for charity so far selling junk model train parts, minus fees
19:38:03 <andythenorth> although I had to refund £16 to one buyer as apparently reading descriptions and looking at photos is hard
19:38:32 <andythenorth> buyer: "I am very disappointed, these coaches have problems x y z"
19:39:01 <andythenorth> me: replies with literal copy-paste from description, which says "sold with problems x y z"
19:39:07 <andythenorth> and refunds because life is short
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20:16:47 <Rubidium> frosch123: I have the same issue with counting_semaphore; though you could roll some wrapper that converts acquire/release to lock/unlock, so you do not need to actually write the RAII class just a simple wrapper
20:18:25 <frosch123> still, i have not found any mailing-list item or stackoverflow-item which addresses this
20:18:31 <frosch123> usually i find some hint about something
20:19:01 <Rubidium> but I guess they made them explicitly acquire/release as it does not fullfil basiclockable's "exclusive blocking semantics"
20:21:05 <frosch123> i don't think that "exclusive" part is essential to the definition
20:22:00 <frosch123> btw. everything disagrees about "noexcept" :)
20:22:15 <frosch123> basiclockable requires it, but std::mutex does not have it
20:23:33 <TrueBrain> let this irc log be the first!
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20:37:26 <frosch123> though that one uses a binary_semaphore
20:37:52 <Rubidium> that's sadly the "almost" part of my statement
20:40:19 <frosch123> the LWG list is actually not that spammy, so i am considering submitting something
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21:36:04 <Rubidium> frosch123: looks okay to me
21:37:33 <Rubidium> to bad this will only solve our issue in a few years when the compilers/libraries get eventually fixed
21:38:03 <frosch123> pff, first get an approval :p
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21:44:05 <frosch123> hmm, i guess you could argue that counted_semaphore could also be a SharedLockable :p
21:49:54 <Rubidium> or should it be a SharedLockable? So you can use std::shared_lock instead?
21:50:35 <frosch123> exactly, but it does not add anything
21:50:57 <frosch123> there are things that work with Lockable, but not with SharedLockable
21:51:00 <Rubidium> it's at least more consistent with the behavior... except that the specialisation of binary_semaphore more a Lockable
21:51:10 <frosch123> but there is nothing that works with SharedLockable that does not work with Lockable
22:29:28 <frosch123> submitted, let's see what happens
22:29:43 <frosch123> so far this was an easier process than at any workplace :)
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