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00:23:58  <andythenorth> 1024 cargos when?

00:25:23  <andythenorth> potassium nitrate, sulfur, charcoal, cardboard tubes

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00:26:24  <_aD> fireworks.

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01:29:01  <Gustavo6046> _aD, cargo or happened?

01:29:13  <Gustavo6046> or both? :p

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02:15:14  <_aD> suggestion ;-)

02:33:30  <Gustavo6046> :D

02:34:01  <Gustavo6046> hmm, I wish timetables had an influence on which station thing a vehicle would enter if it had an option. Like a stop has 3 linked stations which are pretty close, all have cars in them, but one of them is about to leave and the others are going to wait for longer than our guy.

02:34:57  <Gustavo6046> Maybe predict how long it'd take to reach a station, and then predict how long of a wait it'd be until all the other cars ahead are started and en route again, and sum those up for each station.

02:35:14  <Gustavo6046> Sounds easy. Maybe I should make a patch for that.

02:35:18  <Gustavo6046> C++ is kind of a pain though

02:57:44  <Gustavo6046> hmm

02:58:05  <Gustavo6046> and what if I give start orders to vehicle on a depot but in a way that respects the starting dates / early counter of their time tables?

03:05:15  <Gustavo6046> I just want vehicles to go evenly distributed

03:05:15  <Gustavo6046> Also

03:05:20  <Gustavo6046> happy New Year, here from Porto Alegre, Brazil!

03:05:21  <Gustavo6046> :D

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05:02:07  <Gustavo6046> The helicopters keep complaining they have too few orders, clearly they have two

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08:29:03  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you sent them to hangar instead of a loading space

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11:19:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9776: Fix #9743: Rework macOS Touchbar. https://git.io/Jy5VO

11:19:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #9743: [Crash]: OpenTTD crashes on startup (MacBook Pro 2020, M1) https://git.io/JDCuI

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11:20:30  <LordAro> 12.2 when?

11:20:51  <michi_cc> When you release? :D

11:30:48  <LordAro> :o

11:31:22  <LordAro> be easier if i had TrueBrain's script :p

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11:55:34  <TrueBrain> Good thing I shared that with the group months ago :p

11:55:49  <TrueBrain> But if you like I can also press some buttons

11:58:21  <TrueBrain> several PRs with "backport requested" are still open

11:58:24  <TrueBrain> maybe good to first resolve those? :)

11:59:37  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9738 <- backport?

12:01:10  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9718 <- backport?

12:03:29  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9689 <- you guessed it, backport?

12:03:53  <TrueBrain> work for you LordAro :P

12:08:42  <michi_cc> Yes to 9689.

12:08:49  <TrueBrain> just add the label please :)

12:09:23  <michi_cc> Already done.

12:09:32  <TrueBrain> <3

12:09:39  <michi_cc> There's just no DorpsGek update for labels :)

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12:10:11  <TrueBrain> good point :)

12:10:35  <TrueBrain> LordAro: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/bd73f25d687008d1b9497df422a979fc <- updated it with my latest, in case you lost the URL :P

12:11:06  <TrueBrain> I wonder if I should clean up the code and just commit it ..

12:11:24  <michi_cc> 9738 too I guess.

12:12:43  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?q=is%3Apr+label%3A%22backport+requested%22+is%3Aopen <- 3 PRs that could use a review before we start backporting

12:13:09  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?q=is%3Apr+label%3A%22backport+requested%22+is%3Aclosed <- total list of things scheduled to be backported. I added a few what I think we missed, feel free to give it another look

12:13:39  <TrueBrain> bit hard to see PRs we explicitly ruled out of backporting and aren't in 12.X yet ..

12:14:23  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?q=is%3Apr+-label%3A%22backport+requested%22+is%3Amerged+sort%3Aupdated-desc+ <- best overview I can find, but it includes PRs that are touched because owner deleted their branch :)

12:14:58  <TrueBrain> I wish I could sort on "merge date"

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12:17:27  <TrueBrain> idiotic thing is that the information is available, just not sortable on :P

12:20:18  <TrueBrain> ha, found a sneaky way around it:

12:20:18  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?q=is%3Apr+-label%3A%22backport+requested%22+-label%3A%22backported%22+is%3Amerged+merged%3A%3E2021-11-08+

12:20:43  <TrueBrain> all PRs merged after 12.1 release :)

12:21:39  <TrueBrain> 13.0 is looking rather empty :P :P

12:51:25  <Eddi|zuHause> all developers are lazy... :p

12:52:24  <nielsm> will this be the year without an april 1st release?

12:53:22  <Eddi|zuHause> "someone" had to do an out-of-schedule release

12:56:34  <TrueBrain> I regret NOTHING

12:58:34  <LordAro> TrueBrain: what are the latest figures on servers, etc?

13:00:13  <TrueBrain> https://openttd.grafana.net/dashboard/snapshot/DmDt2mx2zSZH3nlMPbTYjVzsSvNnr3jo

13:00:17  <TrueBrain> nothing new really

13:09:07  <LordAro> goodo

13:10:00  <LordAro> curious direct ipv4/6 server registration spike for the last couple days

13:38:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] feix303 commented on issue #9777: [Crash]: OpenTTD crashed when using keyboard shortcut for terrain leveling (Q,W,E) while laying tracks https://git.io/Jy5S4

13:41:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #9777: [Crash]: OpenTTD crashed when using keyboard shortcut for terrain leveling (Q,W,E) while laying tracks https://git.io/Jy5S4

13:48:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #9777: [Crash]: OpenTTD crashed when using keyboard shortcut for terrain leveling (Q,W,E) while laying tracks https://git.io/Jy5S4

13:49:02  <LordAro> thanks james!

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14:52:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] fRosTySann commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz

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15:23:11  <supermop_Home> yo

15:46:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #9778: [Bug]: The MSYS builds fail on most recent PRs. https://git.io/JSTJg

15:50:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #9778: [Bug]: The MSYS builds fail on most recent PRs. https://git.io/JSTJg

15:50:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #9778: [Bug]: The MSYS builds fail on most recent PRs. https://git.io/JSTJg

15:50:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz

15:52:09  <michi_cc> nielsm: We could always release a 13.0 with an (almost) empty changelog and live up to April 1st for once :p

16:00:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] fRosTySann commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz

16:02:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz

16:09:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] fRosTySann commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz

16:16:10  <supermop_Home> what does the block cycle do?

16:29:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz

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16:59:17  <supermop_Home> man i have looked through the sprite sheet so many times and still can't find the tropic grass

16:59:21  <supermop_Home> i must be blind

16:59:42  <supermop_Home> https://www.tt-wiki.net/images/ttwiki/4/4d/Ogfx1_base.png

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17:09:06  <Rubidium> supermop_Home: I reckon those sprites are in ogfxh_tropical, though look at https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:List_of_tiles to see which numbers you would need as the tropical GRF overwrite some sprites of the base GRF

17:09:27  <supermop_Home> ah

17:09:52  <supermop_Home> i really just need to copy paste the grass to use as quick base tile to a house

17:10:05  <supermop_Home> so as long as i find the source png im fine

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17:10:40  <nielsm> aren't houses composed of a land sprite and a building sprite?

17:10:54  <supermop_Home> andythenorth do you use smart objects in Photoshop to composite bits of buildings? or just layers?

17:11:15  <supermop_Home> nielsm the base tropic houses have their yard as part of the sprite

17:11:44  <andythenorth> supermop_Home layers only

17:12:11  <nielsm> if you just want the graphics to copy pixels from, go here: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX/tree/master/sprites/png/terrain

17:12:17  <supermop_Home> i'm just trying to make a quick static grf to replace the base tropic houses with Hawaii looking ones

17:13:21  <supermop_Home> andythenorth a lot of the 1910s-1940s houses in Honolulu are similar squarish cottages, but some of them are raised up one level: https://www.google.com/maps/@21.2803727,-157.8153895,3a,75y,69.74h,79.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY9UvK4oCWJ0HSZ2caedtoQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

17:14:47  <supermop_Home> i like how google street view blured out the sign that says aloha on the bench

17:16:15  <andythenorth> supermop_Home composite sprites in game? o_O

17:16:20  <andythenorth> hmm

17:16:31  * andythenorth wonders when cargo limit will be 16^2?

17:16:39  <andythenorth> go big etc

17:16:47  * andythenorth has run out in FIRS

17:16:50  <supermop_Home> andythenorth that's the plan for a house set, but i don't think i can do tht for static grf

17:16:57  <andythenorth> oh static grf

17:16:57  <andythenorth> oof

17:17:16  <supermop_Home> at least tropic only has 5 houses

17:17:22  <supermop_Home> seems kind of limiting

17:17:50  <supermop_Home> i use improved town layouts a lot, but i don't like seeing all the base tropic houses

17:18:26  * andythenorth has about 70 cargos

17:18:27  <andythenorth> oof

17:19:13  <supermop_Home> also if i draw a good enough tropic hotel would you put it in FIRS as climate dependent?

17:20:13  <andythenorth> maybe yes

17:20:21  <supermop_Home> no obligation

17:20:56  <andythenorth> I didn't do the arctic one yet either :)

17:21:11  <andythenorth> hmm 84 cargos

17:21:12  <andythenorth> oof

17:21:30  <andythenorth> the problem is stuff like newspapers

17:21:36  <andythenorth> and motorail 

17:21:39  <andythenorth> cargo inflation

17:22:16  <andythenorth> are military cargos banned due to 'no war' rule?

17:30:54  <supermop_Home> sure

17:31:21  <FLHerne> andythenorth: the 'rule' that even the original game doesn't follow, sure :p

17:31:47  <nielsm> can't stop anyone from making them (GPL license text allows anyone to use the software for any purpose), the thing that could be was bananas not accepting certain themes to be hosted

17:32:03  <supermop_Home> does anyone know which two groups of colors are the brick house recolor sets? https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/PalettesAndCoordinates#Palettes

17:32:39  <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Development/Objectives

17:33:03  <andythenorth> "Provide a game that is free from war themes and conflict; hence suitable for all age groups"

17:33:20  <nielsm> it's an objective of the development of the main branch

17:34:39  <andythenorth> it seems reasonable

17:34:53  <andythenorth> realism suggests army tanks for this edition of FIRS though :P

17:34:58  <andythenorth> also munitions

17:35:01  <andythenorth> and a naval shipyard

17:36:27  <andythenorth> wiki history doesn't indicate who authored the objectives

17:56:07  <TrueBrain> To be clear, BaNaNaS has no such restriction in place

17:56:22  <TrueBrain> And never had

18:05:16  <supermop_Home> really it just comes down to how you want to manage the andy brand

18:06:08  <supermop_Home> how about 'special heavy vehicles'

18:07:02  <supermop_Home> and munitions as 'Self applying Reagents'

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18:13:35  <andythenorth> peacekeeping vehicles? :P

18:13:53  <andythenorth> I'll need 16k cargos first anyway

18:14:00  <andythenorth> I'm up to 96 now

18:14:41  <andythenorth> I split alcohol into beer, cider and wine

18:18:18  <Rubidium> add a distillery, so you can go from those low percentage alcohol products to high percentage ones ;)

18:18:18  <TrueBrain> ugh, new month again .. spammmm

18:18:29  <andythenorth> I was thinking about spirits

18:18:44  <andythenorth> wine covers pink, white, red, sparkling etc

18:18:54  <andythenorth> so can spirits cover whisky, vodka etc?

18:19:02  <andythenorth> or should I split them?

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18:20:28  <andythenorth> whisky wagons https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brwhiskycontainerfbbfja

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18:28:01  <LordAro> loud noises

18:28:25  <TrueBrain> and it aint over

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18:30:59  <TrueBrain> 127 messages pyup triggered

18:30:59  <TrueBrain> lol

18:32:02  <LordAro> nice

19:09:48  <andythenorth> ok so we don't have 96 cargos

19:09:54  <andythenorth> so I have to consolidate :P

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19:13:12  <supermop_Home> andythenorth does it get aged in the tanker for 12 years?

19:14:55  <supermop_Home> make cargo decay inverse if whiskey is traveling on a ship

19:15:29  <andythenorth> oof

19:15:32  <andythenorth> cargo aging

19:15:41  <andythenorth> 128 cargos anyone?

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19:42:50  <andythenorth> ok consolidation time

19:42:51  <andythenorth> :(

19:42:54  <supermop_Home> :(

19:42:59  <andythenorth> all the beautiful cargos that must go

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19:50:03  <supermop_Home> ok i figured out which colors are used for the church brick palette swap

19:50:15  <andythenorth> \o/

19:50:23  <supermop_Home> but neither is very useful for Hawaiian house shingles

19:50:53  <supermop_Home> well the 'red' church colors are but the tan ones are not

19:51:55  <supermop_Home> most houses there have light grey shingles or reddish brown, or a green or silver metal roof

19:52:18  <supermop_Home> older ones will have dark grey, or brown wood shingles

19:52:51  <supermop_Home> i only get 5 houses in base set tho so will probably keep all rooves same color

19:53:16  <supermop_Home> town set can composite them on 

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20:45:01  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: 64k cargos when? :p

21:14:01  <andythenorth> yes

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21:38:05  <FLHerne> andythenorth: "historical re-enactment props"

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21:45:41  <andythenorth> I could make a game where you have to produce computer games

21:45:42  <andythenorth> in 1994

21:45:44  <andythenorth> in Yate

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