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00:36:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #9767: Fix #9766: Don't write uninitialised data in config file https://git.io/JyLmD
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09:26:26 <TrueBrain> And James created the first bug report in TrueGRF <3
09:27:22 <TrueBrain> Sadly of a component not mine, but I upstreamed a PR for it already .. just waiting for it to be merged :p
09:59:19 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can write a script that converts FIRS to my JSON format ... should be doable, not?
10:01:16 <andythenorth> if you navigated far enough into my compile, you could json.dumps the internal representation
10:01:36 <andythenorth> I actually need a json repr for GS
10:01:57 <TrueBrain> I can just make a Python script
10:03:39 <TrueBrain> what the actual fuck ... I can only fit 32 in TrueGRF :P
10:04:52 <TrueBrain> how does that even work? :P
10:06:03 <andythenorth> they're not all used at once
10:06:08 <andythenorth> max per game is 64
10:06:16 <TrueBrain> That is why I am asking ;)
10:06:28 <andythenorth> there are Economies
10:06:36 <TrueBrain> ah, there that comes into play
10:06:37 <andythenorth> player chooses which one to use, in grf parameters
10:07:05 <andythenorth> that's political :P
10:07:16 <andythenorth> I like Steeltown, playerbase prefers an entirely different grf
10:07:17 <TrueBrain> I can only import one, so pick one :D
10:07:52 <andythenorth> is the import repeatable?
10:08:11 * andythenorth wonders if we could just load an existing grf :P
10:08:25 <TrueBrain> I am not going to support loading grfs ..
10:09:31 <TrueBrain> still more than the 32 I support ..
10:09:37 <TrueBrain> as someone told me: just start at 32, it will be fine :P
10:10:05 <TrueBrain> you don't have the mandatory toyland cargoes .. hmm
10:10:08 <TrueBrain> I should add climate support
10:11:14 <andythenorth> that's very basic, but eh
10:11:31 <TrueBrain> no, steeltown it is now
10:12:06 <andythenorth> forwards, to victory!
10:12:06 <TrueBrain> and I will not bitch about your Python either
10:12:12 <TrueBrain> I just need to add some stuff to make it sane :D
10:12:21 <andythenorth> some of my python I am aware is anti-pattern,
10:12:28 <andythenorth> it works, so I don't care :P
10:12:59 <andythenorth> the importing of content / configuration is particularly weird
10:13:11 <TrueBrain> oof, string lookups
10:20:58 <andythenorth> first time I've seen it acronymed that way :P
10:22:27 <TrueBrain> wow, my Python skills have degraded by writing Javascript a lot :P
10:35:07 <andythenorth> "all languages are equal for a good programmer"
10:36:02 <andythenorth> I hate writing javascript, at least in html page context
10:41:48 <TrueBrain> right, now let's see if I can load the sprites from this ..
10:45:16 <TrueBrain> CC_LIQUID + CC_PIECE_GOODS
10:45:21 <TrueBrain> how does that work andythenorth ?
10:45:42 <TrueBrain> so many funny images cross my mind :P
10:46:12 <andythenorth> classes aren't exclusive
10:46:27 <andythenorth> " One specific type of cargo could appear both as liquid or as piece goods (e.g. milk), which depends on the actual representation."
10:46:57 <TrueBrain> that makes so little sense :P
10:47:07 <TrueBrain> and I love how that contradicts what frosch told me, but what-ever :P
10:47:16 <andythenorth> e.g. oil can go in tanker vehicles, or in drums on palettes
10:47:46 <TrueBrain> I was just imagining a cargo that depending on the speed is either fluid or not
10:47:58 <TrueBrain> so the train must move fast to unload it
10:48:59 <TrueBrain> similar I was told CC_EXPRESS + CC_PIECE_GOODS should never be mixed :P
10:49:23 <TrueBrain> for now, I am just going to pick the first CC I find for those conflicting ones :D
10:50:47 <andythenorth> hot metal trains (iron / steel) have to move fast to unload
10:51:36 <TrueBrain> when the cargo list is this long, my interface no longer works :P
10:51:39 <TrueBrain> I need to fix that somehow
10:51:48 <TrueBrain> you now select a cargo, have to scroll up to see the content :D
10:51:54 <TrueBrain> it needs a scrollbar :P
10:55:32 <TrueBrain> hmm, and I need to fix my "long name" .. you cannot pick your own things, like "sack of nuts"
10:55:39 <TrueBrain> it is now always "bag of nuts"
10:55:42 <TrueBrain> not a real issue, but still
11:02:38 <TrueBrain> clearly I ened to add colour support
11:04:21 <TrueBrain> need to do the same for industries ofc, but at least the approach works
11:06:03 <TrueBrain> I btw serious appreciate you released this under GPL andythenorth .. otherwise I could never build TrueGRF like this .. would be 100000 times harder
11:07:48 <TrueBrain> so how to load industries ... how to know what belongs to steeltown ..
11:08:58 <TrueBrain> industry.economy_variations['STEELTOWN'].enabled
11:09:21 <TrueBrain> I like how much bigger FIRS is versus how big you think it is :P
11:11:01 <TrueBrain> it makes very clear I have to change how I assign IDs .. I keep finding all these lovely things I have to change :D
11:20:12 <TrueBrain> wtf is a IndustryInformative ... lol
11:25:31 <TrueBrain> only 3 tertiary industries in steeltown?
11:32:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the point of that was that many things converge in one big industry (hence the increase to more input cargos)
11:32:42 <TrueBrain> right, all that is left: layout and tiles for industries, and sprites for cargoes .. something for another time :)
11:57:03 <andythenorth> IndustryInformative is literally information only
11:57:11 <andythenorth> because grf isn't allowed to write to town window
11:57:16 <andythenorth> because that's GS
11:57:35 <andythenorth> oh wait, it's traditional to have the GS-grf groundhog day debate on a Saturday :)
11:57:38 <andythenorth> today is only Friday
12:00:33 <LordAro> TrueBrain: 32bpp industry colours when?
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12:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: since yesterday was the last real work-day this year, today is basically saturday
12:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> which is then followed by two sundays
12:18:44 * andythenorth is curious how TrueGRF is going to generate GS :P
12:18:53 <andythenorth> FIRS now generates a GS in the grf compile
13:08:15 <dP> hm, isn't pathfinder using the wrong distance for corner/diagonal rails?
13:08:27 <dP> YAPF_TILE_CORNER_LENGTH = 71 but
13:08:32 <DorpsGek> dP: 0.6666666666666666
13:09:19 <dP> 71 is for euclidean distance but it's not euclidean
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20:14:31 <TrueBrain> funny, haven't seen a project actually use PIL in a long time :P
20:15:08 <TrueBrain> completely forgot how it actually works
20:21:17 <TrueBrain> owh, right, seems some sprites are drawn over each other to make a single sprite ..
21:18:33 <andythenorth> TrueBrain what are you exploring now? :P
21:18:46 <TrueBrain> some of your sprites are composites
21:20:59 <TrueBrain> and so what I am trying, is to make that into a single sprite
21:21:15 <TrueBrain> but offsets are hard :P
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21:35:17 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: what is spritelayout_null?
21:37:23 <andythenorth> oh it's the magic water tile
21:37:46 <TrueBrain> ah, water tile .. hmm, I don't have that yet
21:38:19 <andythenorth> spritelayout_null is convenience within my compile
21:38:28 <andythenorth> nothing to do with nml afaict
21:38:32 <TrueBrain> it is a weird name I couldn't find back :P
21:38:49 <TrueBrain> so now the bigger question .. why is bulk_terminal_spritelayout_crane_se_nw not being drawn correctly ..
21:40:29 <TrueBrain> I was too lazy to look it up, but this multiple building sprites on a single tile, is that an OpenTTD thing, or an NML, or a FIRS?
21:43:52 <andythenorth> it's one of the action 2 formats
21:44:22 <TrueBrain> meh. Difficult to support :P
21:45:08 <TrueBrain> but trying to do it myself is also not really working :D
21:46:02 <TrueBrain> (well, I was mostly trying to see if I understand sprites and offsets
21:49:12 <TrueBrain> ah .. I do, but there is another sneaky thing different
21:51:44 <TrueBrain> 1MB of JSON data for FIRS Steeltown :D
21:52:10 <supermop_Home> whats the current state of road stops?
21:52:42 <supermop_Home> I just make a grf to rplace base sprites? or can we have different ones by roadtype yet?
21:54:16 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: why do those tanks and cranes have a zoffset?
21:55:04 <dP> you kinda need to support advanced sprite layouts anyway if you want to have any logic in the layout
21:55:17 <dP> simply picking a ground sprite on slope already requires registers, pretty much
21:58:58 <supermop_Home> and can roadstops have any switches?
22:20:10 <andythenorth> TrueBrain the dock is over the sea, so the ground tile is about 18px below the dock surface
22:20:19 <andythenorth> other things with zoffsets are things like smoke on chimneys
22:20:48 <TrueBrain> But why via zoffset? For drawing order?
22:23:58 <andythenorth> where is frosch :P
22:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> there's 3 patches of snow on the street, does this count as a white christmas yet?
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23:20:28 <glx> <supermop_Home> and can roadstops have any switches? <-- not yet, I think there's a WIP PR on github
23:21:10 <andythenorth> sleep time GG happy christmas
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