IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-11-20
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08:08:14 <andythenorth> possibly I should delete my reddit account
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09:17:59 <TrueBrain> "Yes, judging by the development trends, version 12.x will be the last good version of the game. For those who know how to play, of course." <- hahahaha, that made me laugh so hard :D
09:19:11 <TrueBrain> Gatekeepers, you got to love them :)
09:22:21 <andythenorth> I have joined reddit
09:22:23 <andythenorth> not even 'may have'
09:22:26 <TrueBrain> so ... what would be a good workflow for TrueGRF sprites ...
09:22:38 <andythenorth> actually drawing them?
09:22:51 <andythenorth> or configuring their use assuming the pngs already exist?
09:23:01 <TrueBrain> how is your flow .. do you first draw, make an industry out of it after .. as in, is the composed image important?
09:23:12 <TrueBrain> or do you draw sprite by sprite?
09:23:32 <andythenorth> I will look and put you some examples in discord, I think there are 2 or 3 common flows
09:24:16 <TrueBrain> as my dropdown selection for tiles isn't going to work :P
09:24:34 <TrueBrain> and I do not really want to make a separate place for "sprite editing", as that completely takes you out of th eflow
09:28:05 <TrueBrain> for tile editing specifically you of course might want tens of sprites per tile .. hmm ...
09:31:41 <andythenorth> talking to pypy devs on irc
09:37:56 <andythenorth> oh TrueBrain in gossip you won't care about, a work friend is now CEO of Rust foundation
09:39:30 <andythenorth> very good in the last job
09:39:44 <andythenorth> not in any way a programmer, but good at digital and democracy and community
09:40:42 <TrueBrain> now tell her to fix things (wouldn't know what, but I just wanted to say that :P)
09:43:54 <andythenorth> yeah some kind of auto-generated account
09:44:03 <andythenorth> it's not a sock puppet, I just don't understand reddit
09:44:45 <LordAro> what made you give in and make an account?
09:45:42 <andythenorth> I get triggered by people trashing democracy, whilst simultaneously demonstrating why the world clearly shouldn't be run solely by them
09:47:02 <TrueBrain> it is just so cute .. "you dont play in my style, SO YOU SUCK"
09:47:15 <TrueBrain> I would like to make fun of certain countries in the world now, but I will refrain from that :P
09:50:04 <TrueBrain> I like the argument we should tailor the game to the people who have been playing the longest. At least gives a clear end-date on what OpenTTD has no players anymore :)
09:52:34 <andythenorth> we should tailor it to the players who made it a success
09:52:37 <andythenorth> just remember that
09:52:41 <andythenorth> it's the players who made it
09:53:36 <TrueBrain> oof, it is hard to make a useful GUI for tile editing
09:53:48 <TrueBrain> for now I just want to allow posting outside PNGs .. but even that is hard :P
09:55:05 <TrueBrain> mainly as I am currently lacking a layer in my code .. so I am trying to connect two dots with the middle missing
09:55:12 <TrueBrain> but I don't want to make the middle!!!! :P
09:56:32 <andythenorth> I am puzzled what a tile editor should look like
09:56:36 <andythenorth> I have no clear mental model
09:57:04 <TrueBrain> that is why I asked how you build up an industry :) How that process works .. hoping it would give some ideas :P
09:57:26 <andythenorth> ok I dig up example
09:57:28 <TrueBrain> especially for animated industries, and even more specific ones like: when there is cargo waiting to send to a station, etc
09:57:40 <andythenorth> I have entirely broken my grf compiling by trying out the pypy3 beta so eh
09:57:43 <andythenorth> that is for later
10:05:33 <andythenorth> pypy3 devs are nice
10:45:30 <andythenorth> hmm how do I win reddit?
10:45:36 <andythenorth> there's some kind of high score system?
10:45:48 <andythenorth> this could be the new 2048
10:46:18 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause usually knows an optimum strategy :P
10:46:29 <andythenorth> or is this one where you win by not playing?
10:46:41 <andythenorth> like thermonuclear war
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11:29:57 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I think you need a menagerie of cute animals
11:35:00 <andythenorth> maybe I could rent some
11:35:30 <andythenorth> unrelated, I was talking to pypy3 people about m1 / arm
11:36:01 <andythenorth> nml with pypy3 x86 via rosetta 2 is twice as fast on m1 as the python 3.10 arm compile
11:36:25 <andythenorth> I am hoping an arm native pypy3 will be faster again, but eh, who knows :)
11:36:45 <andythenorth> they asked me to write a pyp3 blog post about using it with nmlc
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12:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "i have a patch for that" when? :p
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12:58:23 <andythenorth> extended in which direction peter1138 ?
12:59:06 <nielsm> but can we have ducks?
12:59:46 <andythenorth> I assume ^ that's the joke you were setting up for?
13:00:49 <nielsm> actually just a vehicle set with giant ducks swimming in the water, carrying passengers on their back, or goods in a bag held in their beak
13:01:44 <nielsm> if NUTS can have slugs on rail why can't we have ducks in the water
13:01:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] FilmBoy84 commented on issue #9705: [Bug]: the ability to select the default signal has disappeared https://git.io/J1BH4
13:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> 10-60 eines fahrrads, keine chance
13:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> bah, wrong channel
13:13:47 <Timberwolf> Use the same bad joke I used for "Horse in a Zorb" - the capacity of a duck is 1 livestock. Even better if the unloaded sprite is invisible.
13:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Timberwolf: somehow i now have the word "Entenfehlstelle" in my head :p
13:28:49 <Timberwolf> I guess they might break down if you had that enabled...
13:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> we do have the concept of eyecandy vehicles.
13:31:55 <andythenorth> I think we call them 'snowploughs' ?
13:32:07 <andythenorth> hmm WolfWhack when?
13:32:50 <andythenorth> I have 5 reddit karma
13:32:55 <andythenorth> do I win anything?
13:33:00 <andythenorth> can I trade it for gems?
13:33:31 <TrueBrain> ha, even I have more Karma! :P
13:34:24 <andythenorth> can we karma farm?
13:41:41 <LordAro> you seem to be under the impression that karma has value
13:47:32 <andythenorth> it has no value? :(
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14:32:43 <andythenorth> what prevents ctrl-click in depot incrementing a byte (until it rolls over), instead of toggling a bit?
14:32:51 <andythenorth> do trains not have enough storage space?
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15:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: nothing technical. it's just a horrible UI
15:23:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i could PR this in an hour or so, and in 1 year frosch123 closes the PR because it's horrible.
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16:48:44 <andythenorth> I could run a fork though :P
16:48:50 <andythenorth> it's not like I play multiplayer :P
16:49:02 <andythenorth> JGR already rejected the idea though :)
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18:49:41 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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21:10:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] SecretaryNotSure opened issue #78: Crashing on iOS when downloading base graphics set https://git.io/J1D6y
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21:34:51 <frosch123> TrueBrain: did the open-source terms of 1pw change?
21:34:51 <glx> totally useless issue, and in the wrong repo
21:35:13 <TrueBrain> frosch123: nah, I just need to send an email
21:35:15 <TrueBrain> doing that as we speak
21:35:21 <glx> and we don't provide iOS builds
21:35:49 <frosch123> ok, do we use it for 1 year now?
21:36:09 <frosch123> i tend to get lost in time nowadays :)
21:37:02 <TrueBrain> I would guess so ;)
21:37:05 <TrueBrain> it was licensed for a year :P
21:37:35 <TrueBrain> these days they license Open Source for 2 years
21:38:44 <TrueBrain> glx: so write that in the ticket and close it? :)
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22:10:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #9711: Fix: Insufficient input validation for CmdIndustryCtrl. https://git.io/J1DHC
22:10:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9711: Fix: Insufficient input validation for CmdIndustryCtrl. https://git.io/J1DHl
22:13:11 <frosch123> i don't think clients can send OWNER_DEITY commands, so it is not that bad
22:14:29 <LordAro> even sprcially crafted clients?
22:15:22 <michi_cc> NetworkGameSocketHandler::ReceiveCommand validates for CMD_OFFLINE but not CMD_DEITY.
22:15:53 <frosch123> it would be an awesome cheat if a client could send DEITY commands :)
22:16:15 <frosch123> server is supposed to validate that clients only send commands for their company
22:17:01 <frosch123> but yeah, I never checked whether clients can just send grow-town commands :)
22:17:30 <frosch123> let's win citymania, brb
22:18:28 <michi_cc> Okay, yes, it does, somewhere deep in DoCommandPInternal. So it's not a bug you can really use, but still bad form to trust command data.
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22:22:39 <frosch123> so, only gs on server could crash the server
22:22:59 <frosch123> not sure whether gs do a test-run of the command before sending it to clients
22:23:33 <michi_cc> Yeah, modified PR description. Still not wrong to change it to return CMD_ERROR.
22:27:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9711: Fix: Insufficient input validation for CmdIndustryCtrl. https://git.io/J1DHC
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22:52:27 <dP> frosch123, I checked that when I was writing citymania :p
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