IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-09-29
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08:39:36 <peter1138> Hmm, how bad of an idea is it to enable remote-to-remote symlinks in Windows?
08:40:03 <peter1138> Seems to work by default on CIFS mounts in Linux.
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13:15:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on discussion #9504: [Suggestion] Minimized version of the Online Players window https://git.io/JEI40
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14:05:09 <glx> oh nice a new CodeQL alert
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15:53:13 <glx> btw docker desktop for windows works very well with wsl2 and a home version
15:53:45 <glx> last time I wanted to try home edition was not supported
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17:05:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/eints] TrueBrain commented on pull request #50: Fix #49: include EINTS manual in the Docker image https://git.io/Jgvom
17:30:29 <TrueBrain> okay, with the new changes Cloudflare takes care of more of the traffic :)
17:30:47 <TrueBrain> 50% of the bandwidth is taken care of by Cloudflare
17:31:14 <TrueBrain> seems we have a few pngs on the wiki that are huge :P
17:32:38 <TrueBrain> in peak, 76% was cached
17:32:41 <TrueBrain> so yeah, that worked out fine :)
17:33:00 <nielsm> worth a try running the images on the wiki through a PNG crusher?
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17:33:12 <nielsm> if they haven't already been
17:33:14 <TrueBrain> or just scale a few back :P
17:33:19 <TrueBrain> I think one of them is 1.4MB
17:33:25 <TrueBrain> which is a bit excessive :P
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17:36:42 <nielsm> that one compresses down to 913 kb with an old-ish PNG crusher
17:36:56 <TrueBrain> still huge to embed in a wiki page :)
17:37:00 <TrueBrain> scaling down will have a better effect :)
17:37:12 <TrueBrain> but, it is cached now on Cloudflare
17:37:27 <nielsm> not sure if scaling down will be good tbh, it might just make it more difficult to read
17:37:41 <frosch123> be careful with posting links to random wiki content. you may get unicode-banned again :)
17:37:52 <TrueBrain> I forgot about that
17:37:56 <TrueBrain> can't say that is a bad thing :P
17:39:08 <frosch123> also don't make dorpsgek announce wiki edits :p
17:39:22 <TrueBrain> it does in silence for me, hasn't been a problem yet :)
17:40:32 <TrueBrain> okay, as we now have Cloudflare Pro, I can CNAME flatten DNS
17:40:38 <TrueBrain> so no more double-lookup via AWS :)
17:41:20 <TrueBrain> owh, lol .. that also looks up CNAMEs that are meant for validating you own a domain
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17:42:33 <glx> oh indeed multi-stage docker is better
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18:34:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/eints] TrueBrain approved pull request #50: Fix #49: include EINTS manual in the Docker image https://git.io/JgvNs
18:34:10 <TrueBrain> I assume you actually tested it btw :P
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18:47:20 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:07:26 <glx> strange the CodeQL alert is gone
19:10:28 <glx> I built the image locally, I ran it,, the link to manual was working
19:10:46 <TrueBrain> I muted the codeql warning
19:11:02 <TrueBrain> I will sync eints to production tomorrow or so
19:11:47 <frosch123> aww, i assumed "main" would run on staging :(
19:11:54 <frosch123> eints is special :)
19:13:07 <TrueBrain> Haven't gotten myself doing it :p
19:13:21 <glx> I never managed to get a fully working eints locally (config is hard) but at least I could test the links
19:13:42 <frosch123> yep, eints is exceptionally hard to setup
19:13:57 <glx> and it's so easy to use docker on windows with wsl2
19:15:27 <frosch123> "docker" is now uncool :p you have to say "container engine"
19:16:32 <TrueBrain> Yeah, their paid Docker Desktop for companies was the final nail, it seems
19:17:50 <andythenorth> did something actually win yet?
19:17:53 * andythenorth has been waiting
19:17:59 <frosch123> yep, apparently there are very few options to run containers locally on windows, and to connect the containers to the VPN
19:18:12 <frosch123> no idea, but people are crying
19:19:51 <TrueBrain> I like how podman is moved forward, which is a drop in replacement for docker
19:19:59 <TrueBrain> Like that is what we need ...
19:20:23 <TrueBrain> Would be kinda nice to see an improvement on the tooling, instead of the same thing again
19:21:01 <andythenorth> sometimes things just obviously win (git)
19:21:13 <andythenorth> and sometimes they never do (javascript frameworks)
19:21:34 <andythenorth> been waiting for containerisation / configuration as code to produce a winner
19:21:46 * andythenorth worried it's javascript frameworks
19:22:32 <andythenorth> is terraform going to win?
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19:33:24 <nielsm> terraform is something entirely different isn't it... as far as I know it's a system for automated standing up environments from raw hardware
19:33:48 <nielsm> terraform is in roughly the same category as kubernetes
19:34:14 <andythenorth> I might need to make better distinctions
19:34:39 <andythenorth> I guess I mean the paradigm needs to settle
19:34:49 <andythenorth> 8 years ago all the cool kids were like 'yeah just run docker in prod'
19:34:57 <andythenorth> and then we needed orchestration of docket
19:35:46 <andythenorth> repeat for latest cool tool
19:37:03 <frosch123> did you consider running puppetd inside a container?
19:37:05 * andythenorth remembers BSD jails, dedicated blade servers, virtual appliances, VMware, puppet, chef, ansible, docker, k8s, terraform...etc
19:37:22 <andythenorth> each of these was 'the one true way to do prod' in the last 15 years or so
19:37:28 <andythenorth> prod is complex :P
19:38:01 <andythenorth> whereas 15 years ago, it was clear that LAMP had just won, and then we had git, jenkins for CI and Bootstrap for CSS
19:38:13 <andythenorth> but still 483 different javascript frameworks
19:38:51 <andythenorth> currently I have a shopping list of 57 different services I need to purchase for prod
19:38:54 <frosch123> sometimes "wining" is a sign of "death"
19:39:08 <nielsm> how much permanent database does eints have? if I wanted to write a "dictionary" feature for it would it then need to have a git repository with translation files for the store for it to be permanent?
19:39:08 <SpComb> podman is just Red Hat wanting to stay in control of their enterprise business
19:39:41 <frosch123> nielsm: eints uses plain files on disk
19:39:54 <andythenorth> has anyone even figured out the CentOS situation yet?
19:40:00 <andythenorth> I keep googling what the route out is
19:40:07 <andythenorth> but nobody seems to know yet
19:41:19 <andythenorth> pay for RHEL? :P
19:41:22 <dP> hm, when I try to make openttd window very thin it starts getting very tall...
19:41:48 <SpComb> yeah, pay for RHEL. They'll even give you a couple licenses for free!
19:42:03 <andythenorth> I need hundreds :)
19:42:39 <frosch123> if they wrote that "!" on their website, maybe you can interpret it as "faculty"
19:43:33 <andythenorth> sadly they did not
19:44:07 <andythenorth> maybe I should join an infra channel and stop asking silly questions here
19:44:11 <andythenorth> but this is more fun
19:46:21 <frosch123> people are exploring Rocky, but will probably only switch from centos7 to rocky, when they switch from xp to 7
19:46:48 <andythenorth> seems there's an AWS-backed one
19:49:27 <SpComb> Amazon Linux 2 is still stuck in the RHEL7 era, and the official EOL isn't too far off now
19:50:45 <SpComb> well, June 2023, so a little short of two years still
19:50:53 <andythenorth> it's quite a complex situation
19:52:06 <TrueBrain> Just rotate it 90 degrees. Makes it more real
19:52:51 <SpComb> I expect AWS will release AL3 based off of RHEL8 at some point, but how soon
19:55:41 <andythenorth> I rotated it 90 degrees
19:55:46 <andythenorth> now all the writing goes sideways
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19:57:11 <andythenorth> the keys are really inconvenient also
19:57:21 <andythenorth> maybe I should rotate me 90 degrees also
19:57:44 <SpComb> matrices with sines and cosines scare me
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20:45:32 <andythenorth> not sure what that achieves but eh
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22:01:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #9588: [Bug]: OpenTTD can think that no AI or GS are available if `Maximum memory allocation exceeded` https://git.io/Jgfn9
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22:19:52 <LordAro> how do you even find this stuff, james?
22:31:16 <FLHerne> he's actually a sentient fuzzing robot
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