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12:14:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler dismissed a review for pull request #8688: Feature: Hide block signal GUI by default https://git.io/JEcvU
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12:24:52 <peter1138> Ah, 30 years since Linus' announcement of Linux.
12:45:23 <peter1138> I think I had yours.
12:45:56 * LordAro seems to have forgotten lunch as well
12:50:26 <Wolf01> I'm stuffed instead, not much but almost healthy :P
12:54:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #9511: Feature: Add selected toolbar buttons to MacBook Pro Touch Bar https://git.io/JElK8
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16:47:45 <peter1138> Chocolate is healthy right? It's made from plants...
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16:55:15 <andythenorth> if it's dark enough
17:18:45 <glx> oh VS 16.11.2 is released
17:21:39 <TrueBrain> Now the question .. did they fix the bug? :p
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18:17:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8688: Feature: Hide block signal GUI by default https://git.io/JE8Qu
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18:49:30 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:08:40 <TrueBrain> a wild frosch123 appeared
19:15:02 <andythenorth> weird frog sound
19:19:54 <frosch123> not sure what sound squishy brains make
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19:20:48 <frosch123> i tried adding proper enums for all settings which are currently byte or similar
19:21:07 <frosch123> it results in include cycles pretty quickly
19:21:15 <frosch123> i don't want to forward declare the enums
19:21:45 <frosch123> so, either i need to add a single enum_type.h with all the enums, or i add two dozen town_enum.h, viewport_enum.h, ...
19:22:46 <frosch123> for example, OrderStopLocation is defined in order_type.h, and fits there pretty well
19:22:53 <frosch123> but that enum is also used for a setting
19:23:57 <TrueBrain> meh, often an issue ofc
19:24:36 <TrueBrain> and including order_type in settings.cpp is not an option?
19:25:19 <frosch123> i need the enums in settings_type.h
19:25:27 <Rubidium> s/settings.cpp/everything that includes settings_type.h/
19:25:28 <frosch123> it already includes a bunch of enums
19:26:01 <TrueBrain> guess town_enum.h etc sounds nicest, but is a lot of work ..
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19:27:53 <frosch123> hmm, i guess i do not have to add everything to _enum.h files
19:27:57 <frosch123> only those that create cycles
19:28:32 <Rubidium> the alternate question is, how many files do we want to make for each of the "objects". _map, _type, _enum, _cmd, _gui, _func, _base, ...
19:28:35 <frosch123> the worst one so far is the livery setting, which decides whether full liveries are shown always, never, or only for local_company
19:28:48 <frosch123> that enum is used in a setting, and various vehicle and newgrf_ functions
19:29:40 <TrueBrain> what I never really understood about C++, why they didn't solve this problem .. in the end they flatten everything anyway :P
19:29:55 <TrueBrain> at least in Python you can cyclic import as long as it doesn't result in a conflict :D
19:30:36 <frosch123> maybe your python programs do not have as many settings as ottd :p
19:30:46 <frosch123> settings are checked everywhere
19:30:53 <frosch123> and settings use enums from everywhere
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19:31:20 <TrueBrain> pretty sure Python doesn't have an upper limit to this :P But I understand the issue in OpenTTD :)
19:31:28 <TrueBrain> just sucks the only solution is to move stuff out of one header file into the other
19:32:27 <TrueBrain> now I wonder how Rust does it ..
19:34:11 <TrueBrain> they namespace other files ofc
19:34:16 <TrueBrain> solving the whole darn issue, I guess
19:34:22 <TrueBrain> so, the solution is even easier: port OpenTTD to Rust!
19:35:37 <frosch123> recently i hear more about julia than rust
19:35:57 <frosch123> i have not used either :p
19:37:31 <TrueBrain> the syntax of Julia makes me go BRRRRRRR
19:38:12 <frosch123> anyway, we already had that on the first or second stream: if we would rewrite ottd, what language would we use? -> we would disagree on the language, and nothing gets rewritten :)
19:38:45 <Rubidium> what about rewriting in c++20? ;)
19:39:09 <TrueBrain> frosch123: just a lot of forks! (that will never finish :P)
19:39:22 <glx> but we still have code in almost pure C
19:39:34 <TrueBrain> go back to that? Yes? Please? :D
19:42:58 <andythenorth> should I port FIRS to C?
19:43:15 <frosch123> c is mostly false memories
19:44:39 <TrueBrain> this is not the memory you are looking for
19:48:48 <andythenorth> I didn't copy FIRS industry production code into GS yet :P
19:49:34 <andythenorth> but I have a test game for when I do :P
19:50:46 <andythenorth> game is much better with cdist _off_ for freight also
20:04:16 <andythenorth> hmm could GS read grf parameters?
20:04:49 <andythenorth> because of load order, or something else?
20:04:58 <glx> they just learned about newgrf existence :)
20:06:53 <andythenorth> I can do some fingerprinting using cargos + industries
20:07:11 <andythenorth> just won't work across new versions of the grf
20:07:31 <andythenorth> the GS can probably send a FAIL message if fingerprinting doesn't work
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