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10:32:38 <Samu> wow, radeon drivers failed to installl
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10:43:39 <Samu_> got me scared for a while
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13:05:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #9397: Feature: Persistant rotation of numbered autosave after restart https://git.io/JndWW
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15:01:06 <Samu> funny, i just discovered squirrel doesn't require "," to separate arguments
15:04:36 <Samu> (tile, cargoType, 1, 1 radius); it works, even though I intended (tile, cargoType, 1, 1, radius);
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15:10:53 <LordAro> there's nothing that's actually ambiguous, that i can think of
15:11:29 <LordAro> string literals are a bit clearer, i suppose
15:11:43 <LordAro> "string with spaces in" "another string"
15:11:55 <LordAro> difficult to see at a glance which parameter is which
15:12:11 <glx> I think it's unintended, but the squirrel doc is so unclear :)
15:19:33 <glx> I think your code compiles, but doesn't do what you expect
15:20:43 <LordAro> that's also possible :)
15:22:32 <glx> and maybe it just fails at runtime
15:23:08 <Samu> no, doesn't seem to fail
15:23:36 <glx> as I understand it, it's 4 args instead of 5
15:25:04 <Samu> i didn't verify as of recently, but i think it's doing what I expect
15:28:17 <Samu> anyway, I added a comma for my next version, just in case
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16:03:21 <andythenorth> accessing town var 0x41 from nml?
16:03:38 <andythenorth> var[0x41, 0, 0xFFFF] ?
16:03:41 <andythenorth> or var[0x41, 0, 0xFFFFFFFF]
16:03:47 <andythenorth> or do I need to shift left?
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16:16:22 <TrueBrain> I hope yuo don't expect us to know :(
16:18:31 <TrueBrain> wauw, the amount of typos in those 2 lines .. incredible
16:18:35 <TrueBrain> well done TrueBrain, well done
16:19:56 <andythenorth> you kind of should know :P
16:20:12 <andythenorth> maybe we could learn together
16:20:23 <andythenorth> it's a var, a shift, a mask
16:20:32 <andythenorth> I have learnt and forgotten about 15 times
16:20:54 <TrueBrain> for these things I tend to look in existing code when doing a project :D
16:21:00 <andythenorth> this is what I did
16:21:07 <andythenorth> I used it multiple places before
16:21:14 <andythenorth> but for differently sized vars
16:21:20 <andythenorth> also sometimes there are surprises
16:21:32 <glx> ok, indeed squirrel seems to not enforce ',' in args, that's weird
16:21:33 <andythenorth> when vars have complicated packing of multiple values into a dword etc
16:21:57 <andythenorth> the whole idea that vars are incredibly expensive
16:22:04 <andythenorth> so we must pack lots of complexity into them
16:22:05 <TrueBrain> I instead am going to breed bees in Minecraft, k? :)
16:22:16 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: TTDp lurking in the back there :D
16:22:35 <andythenorth> I have picked up some actual grf for the first time in a week, and this scares you off :P
16:22:52 <andythenorth> I broke my brain too much recently for grf, needed a week of doing literal nothing
16:23:14 * andythenorth checks the sitrep
16:23:27 <andythenorth> frosch is still the only one who dares add anything to grf spec yes/no?
16:24:29 * andythenorth wants a 'town has been founded' cb for industry to handle, returning [nothing], it's just for setting up town registers with values
16:24:48 <andythenorth> I suspect it's two lines of code in OpenTTD
16:25:47 <andythenorth> maybe they know how to do it?
16:25:50 <andythenorth> anyone know if they're active?
16:26:48 <andythenorth> problem is there's no entity in the grf to make a general callback to
16:27:28 <andythenorth> not so simple eh?
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16:33:29 <andythenorth> hmm STORE_PERM during location checks eh
16:55:03 <glx> I really think it's a squirrel bug to allow that
16:55:31 * andythenorth forgot how scopes work
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17:07:43 <andythenorth> glx any chance? :)
17:41:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #9398: Fix: [Squirrel] Enforce comma usage in function calls https://git.io/JnFcs
17:43:17 <Samu> that's probably gonna trigger the old AIs
17:43:28 <Samu> that currenly work, to stop working
17:44:06 <Samu> unmaintaned working old AIs
17:45:46 <glx> I think missing ',' are an exception, but who knows
17:46:15 <glx> even regression AI was a victim :)
17:47:38 <glx> but I blame squirrel for allowing it
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17:59:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9398: Fix: [Squirrel] Enforce comma usage in function calls https://git.io/JnFlX
18:00:15 <LordAro> scared macOS's network stack, more like
18:01:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9398: Fix: [Squirrel] Enforce comma usage in function calls https://git.io/JnFl5
18:02:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9398: Fix: [Squirrel] Enforce comma usage in function calls https://git.io/JnFlx
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19:16:27 <peter1138> I have warm goats cheese so no, I can't.
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19:30:25 * andythenorth has forgotten how modulo works
19:31:19 <andythenorth> seems that x % 0 and x % 1 might be unwise choices
19:31:22 <peter1138> You want to know how it works, or what the result is?
19:31:45 <peter1138> When you divide by 1, what's the remainder?
19:31:58 <peter1138> When you divide by 0... well...
19:32:06 <andythenorth> debates about infinity
19:32:20 <andythenorth> I want 3 town 'types', based on the town index
19:32:37 <andythenorth> town_index % n would seem to be the thing
19:32:51 <andythenorth> but I think I need to do more
19:33:50 <andythenorth> town_index % 3, the result will be 0, 1, or 2
19:34:03 <andythenorth> assuming integers
19:35:02 <peter1138> is a town index ever non-integer?
19:37:52 <andythenorth> overlapping towns?
19:39:46 <andythenorth> this kinda works surprisingly well
19:39:53 <andythenorth> mining towns get mines and quarries
19:39:59 <andythenorth> farming towns get.... farms
19:43:47 <andythenorth> doesn't change the look of the map very much though
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19:55:18 <andythenorth> goes it a newgrf var for number of towns?
19:55:37 <andythenorth> looked like a pool, I couldn't figure out how to get the size of the pool
19:56:00 <andythenorth> read the index of the last item in the pool? :P
20:09:26 <Rubidium> andythenorth: GetNumItems?
20:09:55 <peter1138> More desyncable vars ;)
20:10:13 <Rubidium> e.g. Town::GetNumItems
20:11:04 <andythenorth> desyncs are so mysterious
20:11:21 <Rubidium> yeah, that would potentially be desyncable
20:12:16 <andythenorth> I don't want to ask why right?
20:12:25 <andythenorth> or rather...nobody will enjoy explaining? :P
20:14:52 <Rubidium> the number of towns can change without notifying industries or houses that the number of towns changed, so their caches do not get reset
20:15:34 <andythenorth> caching I understand :)
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20:18:11 <andythenorth> I am limiting industries to something like mod(6) of the town index
20:18:20 <andythenorth> so maps with less than 6 towns are....in trouble :)
20:18:27 * andythenorth is going to ignore that for now
20:20:10 <TrueBrain> I will prepare a tt-forums reply indicate that it is absurd a NewGRF doesn't work on my 1 town map of 4kx4k
20:20:28 <TrueBrain> I am joking of course; you can't make all settings on the spectrum playable :)
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20:21:45 <andythenorth> I only read forums very selectively now
20:21:52 <andythenorth> I read the Unsinkable Sam thread (nobody replies)
20:21:58 <TrueBrain> you are such a smart cookie :)
20:21:58 <andythenorth> and a post Erato wrote
20:22:10 <andythenorth> the rest is .... trash at this point :)
20:22:34 <andythenorth> anyway, need to break some eggs for this omelette
20:22:49 * andythenorth has gameplay ideas
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20:54:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #9398: Fix: [Squirrel] Enforce comma usage in function calls https://git.io/JnFF1
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21:14:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9398: Fix: [Squirrel] Enforce comma usage in function calls https://git.io/JnFAm
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