IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-05-28
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06:45:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #9300: Fix #9281: acquire a company uses special bookkeeping to make you rich https://git.io/JGYkD
06:50:39 <andythenorth> so we're finally doing Business Simulator?
06:57:40 <peter1138> Buying a company and buying shares shouldn't be separate things, heh
06:59:30 <andythenorth> Railroad Tycoon 3 was an ace business game
06:59:34 <andythenorth> the trains were completely incidental
07:06:19 <dwfreed> I own Railroad Tycoon 2
07:10:01 <Tulitomaatti> i liked how railroad tycoon looked like but never got into the gameplay
07:10:51 <andythenorth> Railroad Tycoon 2 was definitely more train oriented than v3
07:11:06 <andythenorth> v3 was probably the best game ever made in the history of all games
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07:47:39 <Tulitomaatti> maybe i should try 3.
07:47:52 <Tulitomaatti> i might have been too young when i tried last time
07:48:10 <TrueBrain> yet now too old? :P
07:48:38 <Tulitomaatti> there's only one way to find out
07:49:37 <Tulitomaatti> though, given the fact i do enjoy playing with virtual trains in openttd like real men do, the odds shouldn't be that bad.
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07:54:35 <Tulitomaatti> railroad tycoon 2 came out in 1998. a few years older than i thought.
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08:07:02 <TrueBrain> they did poop out new versions like rabbits back in the day
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08:15:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JGLne
08:15:32 <TrueBrain> and ready for review ^^ :)
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08:54:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JGYV8
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09:07:38 <Timberwolf> I quite liked the thing with RRT that you bought shares using your personal account.
09:07:42 * Timberwolf ponders GS things.
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10:30:53 <peter1138> Personal vs Company accounts?
10:31:01 <peter1138> I wonder how that works when you leave the server? :D
11:00:45 <peter1138> ^ Nobody uses it I guess ;p
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12:01:05 * andythenorth making fishfinger sandwich
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12:38:52 <Timberwolf> Houmous, carrot, celery, chicken.
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14:45:45 <Xaroth> If you're going with chicken and houmous might I suggest shish taouk for dinner?
14:50:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JGOXv
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15:34:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JGO7U
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17:07:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9300: Fix #9281: acquire a company uses special bookkeeping to make you rich https://git.io/JG3IV
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17:13:58 <andythenorth> hover zellepins?
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17:35:31 <FLHerne> Someone has driven a large rental truck into it, which is now extremely stuck
17:36:01 <FLHerne> is that an omission from the new bridge specs?
17:36:12 <FLHerne> they should be able to define loading gauge :p
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17:43:30 <Rubidium> FLHerne: might be an American design/culture thing. Remember 11'8+8?
18:00:16 <dwfreed> I mean, that looks historical
18:00:32 <andythenorth> the bridge gift that keeps on giving
18:00:46 <dwfreed> 11-foot-8 is also old, and is difficult to change because it's a rail bridge, and the railroad is perfectly happy leaving it
18:03:19 <Rubidium> andythenorth: 11-foot-8 is not 12-foot-4 high. They replaced the bridge not long ago... but they're still crashing into it
18:05:30 <dwfreed> it is in fact 12 foot 4 now
18:06:53 <dwfreed> well, they didn't replace it, they just raised it
18:19:01 <Rubidium> dwfreed: I know, I just mistyped "now"
18:53:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JG3Rp
18:55:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JG30g
18:56:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JG3ER
18:58:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JG3EF
19:00:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JG3uq
19:01:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JG3u8
19:03:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JG3uK
19:04:34 <glx> he you can mass reply using review mode ;)
19:04:50 <TrueBrain> which is totally broken for our way of working, I found out
19:04:54 <TrueBrain> if you rebase, things go .. weird
19:05:02 <TrueBrain> and it fails to find conversations etc :P
19:05:17 <glx> even the new beta feature ?
19:08:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JG3zG
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19:24:06 <TrueBrain> brings me to "We went looking everywhere, but couldn’t find those commits." :(
19:24:26 <TrueBrain> clicking non-outdated does .. nothing
19:25:19 <TrueBrain> I guess it is related to force pushes, but I am not 100% sure
19:25:41 <glx> "Sometimes commits can disappear after a force-push."
19:26:33 <TrueBrain> if with sometimes they mean always, sure
19:27:15 <glx> some non-oudated also bring me to the "error" page
19:29:01 <glx> (from conversation tab, but indeed no effect from conversations dropdown
19:29:26 <TrueBrain> seems it just doesn't like our workflow :)
19:29:54 <glx> but we use a pretty standard workflow
19:30:17 <TrueBrain> force push is disappearing slowly, so not sure what they consider "standard" in that sense
19:30:19 <milek7> I think gerrit handles such things better?
19:30:56 <dwfreed> in general, don't force push until your final rebase before merge
19:31:13 <TrueBrain> "in general", I always love those things :P
19:31:31 <dwfreed> and that rebase should not include any changes, just squashing
19:31:52 <TrueBrain> like it is the truth and the only truth :P
19:32:05 <dwfreed> there's a well-hidden link in PRs to see the force push diff
19:32:07 <TrueBrain> so far I have seen GitHub bring support for force pushing relative late to new functionalities
19:32:32 <dwfreed> (click "force-pushed" on the line that says they force pushed)
19:32:46 <TrueBrain> think frosch123 is still amazed by it :P
19:32:50 <dwfreed> not everybody does, though
19:33:08 <glx> oh converting to draft is well hidden too ;)
19:33:15 <TrueBrain> either way, it feels a bit weird that GitHub doesn't at least detect that their links are broken like this
19:34:19 <TrueBrain> funny, you can now also force all conversations to be resolved
19:34:28 <TrueBrain> (before you can merge)
19:35:15 <TrueBrain> the other part of our workflow that GitHub doesn't really support, is reviewing PRs commit-by-commit
19:35:28 <TrueBrain> that can also act really weird and unexpected in places
19:35:53 <glx> yeah but it's so easier for huge PRs (even when the order is weird)
19:36:04 <TrueBrain> which contributes to my believe they don't consider our workflow "mainstream" :)
19:36:07 <dwfreed> you almost end up just having to leave commit comments
19:36:24 <dwfreed> which will then get completely lost in a rebase
19:36:42 <TrueBrain> and they really should add the ability to comment on commit messages
19:36:47 <TrueBrain> that is just annoying as fuck that you cannot
19:36:59 <TrueBrain> but I would guess most projects don't really care about "clean history" like we do
19:37:16 <TrueBrain> if they would only allow to see the commit history based on merge-date
19:37:19 <TrueBrain> that would already really help
19:37:35 <TrueBrain> yeah .. I just want a button: don't show merge-commits
19:37:39 <TrueBrain> well, empty-merge-commits
19:37:44 <TrueBrain> and a button: sort by merge-date
19:38:04 <TrueBrain> that would make the "merge" workflow a lot less annoying
19:53:27 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:56:13 <dwfreed> TrueBrain: we just eliminated merge commits in the one project I'm on; history is completely linear
19:56:20 <dwfreed> (we use rebase-and-merge instead)
19:58:02 <TrueBrain> we do the same; but it is just sad that it is needed honestly
19:58:11 <TrueBrain> there is nothing wrong with (empty) merge commits
19:58:15 <TrueBrain> just .. they are so .. "there"
19:58:19 <TrueBrain> I don't care about them :P
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19:58:25 <TrueBrain> they are a detail that contains no interest
20:01:34 <TrueBrain> ugh, on one hand our ini-loader is smart
20:01:37 <TrueBrain> on the other hand it is stupid
20:01:41 <TrueBrain> in the wrong balance :P
20:02:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JGLne
20:03:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JG3Km
20:04:34 <TrueBrain> ugh .. this is really close to preparing for presets, I realised
20:06:14 <milek7> gerrit seems to make much more sense
20:06:14 <milek7> it handles updating 'patchsets' properly
20:06:34 <milek7> otoh, in it each commit must be a separate review, only connected by depedency chain
20:07:25 <dwfreed> works for some workflows, doesn't for others
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21:00:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JGtNC
21:01:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JG3Mh
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