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02:15:45 <Speeder> parsing nml is super hard :(
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08:28:19 <TrueBrain> a stack-buffer-overflow somewhere in the widget system
08:28:28 <TrueBrain> lets see ... what can it be ...
08:29:08 <TrueBrain> that was quickly :P
08:38:33 <TrueBrain> I assumed it would understand "" is a const
08:38:38 <TrueBrain> but no .. it was pushed on the stack :P
08:39:02 <TrueBrain> so now we have a static std::string empty = {} :D
08:44:52 <TrueBrain> right ... creating a "secrets.cfg" .. eeeuuuuhhhhhhhh
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08:56:20 <TrueBrain> so .... we have gameopt_settings.ini
08:56:27 <TrueBrain> and most of those settings are also in settings.ini
08:56:41 <LordAro> i don't understand the distinction
08:57:30 <TrueBrain> the first is stored in the OPTS chunk in the savegame
09:03:01 <Rubidium> some weird conversions are happening on the gameopt's diff custom after it has been loaded
09:03:34 <TrueBrain> most likely made total sense to who-ever wrote it :)
09:03:46 <TrueBrain> similar, in settings.ini you can set the "base" of an entry
09:03:51 <TrueBrain> but the only allowed value is GameSettings
09:03:54 <TrueBrain> otherwise shit breaks :P
09:04:48 <TrueBrain> I love that it gives me the illusion it can be used for more :)
09:05:23 <Rubidium> well... passing GameSettings is mostly to just be able to use the Saveload code more easily
09:05:36 <TrueBrain> I am not complaining the functionality is there
09:05:45 <TrueBrain> I am complaining "base" gives the suggestion it could be used for more than just "GameSettings" :D
09:05:50 <TrueBrain> is_game_settings = 1
09:05:54 <TrueBrain> would have been a lot more clear :P
09:06:12 <TrueBrain> base_only_when_game_settings = GameSettings
09:06:13 <Rubidium> though... don't give me more idea to break the settings code. There's already too much to be reviewed before I want to tackle such changes as well ;)
09:06:15 <TrueBrain> would also be fine :P
09:06:35 <TrueBrain> mostly, as I was like: sweet, so I can just do: base = SecretSettings
09:07:12 <Rubidium> but why do you want to do that? Do you want to support multiple versions of SecretSettings? One for newgames and one for the current game?
09:07:41 <TrueBrain> but "base" is just a shitty name putting people on the wrong track :)
09:08:46 <Rubidium> true... though... there's also CompanySettings as a base, which is why there is logic to resolve a CompanySetting separate from a normal Setting as they have a different "base"
09:09:11 <TrueBrain> yeah, but that is done in another ini file
09:09:47 <TrueBrain> not that it makes it really any better :P
09:10:19 <TrueBrain> always difficult to add stuff while trying to not make the situation worse :D
09:11:17 <Rubidium> either put it in _settings_client and use SDTC or just _secrets and use SDTG
09:11:57 <Rubidium> but I agree that in settings.ini all the base parameters can be removed, and $base in the template should be replaced with GameSettings. That would make it a lot safer against further harm
09:12:23 <Rubidium> though please don't do that now as that's going to heavily conflict with my patch tree
09:12:33 <TrueBrain> I have zero intentions of doing that :P
09:15:33 <Rubidium> stupid github... it will remove $ from your search queries, so trying to find all places where $base is used... returns *everything* with base in it
09:15:57 <TrueBrain> wait till you find out it is being "clever" and only return partial results :P
09:16:08 <TrueBrain> searching on GitHub is .. ugh
09:26:08 <TrueBrain> hmm ... our ini-writer doesn't remove entries that are no longer in the settings
09:26:13 <TrueBrain> guess that makes sense for upgrading/downgrading
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09:33:21 <TrueBrain> lol, lovely, you can only change settings via the console when they are in _settings :)
09:33:29 <TrueBrain> ugggghhh .. I was hoping this was a simple change :P
09:38:56 <TrueBrain> look at the "i" variable
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09:39:17 <TrueBrain> it can either be an index in _settings or in _company_settings
09:39:37 <TrueBrain> none of the users of that function validate it
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09:42:06 <TrueBrain> right .. seems I am finding out things Rb already did, and fixed .. as ugh, this code
09:46:05 <TrueBrain> 19 commits in 1 PR :P
09:46:09 <TrueBrain> that is pretty hard to review :D
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09:59:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9298: Change: move secrets out of "openttd.cfg" into "secrets.cfg" https://git.io/JGLne
09:59:41 <TrueBrain> at least a draft to have a conversation :)
09:59:48 <TrueBrain> a pretty breaking change :P
10:05:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #9295: Music Audio is not normalized/leveled correctly https://git.io/JGvg7
10:14:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGLCz
10:18:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGLWq
10:26:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGLl6
10:26:16 <TrueBrain> yes, I am doing single comments, as this PR is insane to review :P
10:29:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGL4s
10:32:52 <TrueBrain> okay, and I stop understanding what is going on after that :D
10:53:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGLED
10:53:22 <TrueBrain> ugh, I said I needed lunch .. ffs :P Stupid me
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11:27:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGLwr
11:27:23 <TrueBrain> right, that should be all of it
11:27:54 <TrueBrain> I love how all of a sudden I wrote some Dutch comments
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11:27:59 <TrueBrain> lets fix that quickly :D
11:42:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGLKU
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11:58:47 <peter1138> I really need to VLAN off my IoT stuff, the Google Nest is advertising an IPv6 ULA prefix o_O
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12:07:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9036: Game crashes while opening Towns directory on OS X, 1.11.0 Steam https://git.io/JOmpA
12:07:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #9036: Game crashes while opening Towns directory on OS X, 1.11.0 Steam https://git.io/JOmpA
12:11:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9237: I never get the new trains after 1980- but i get all plains, boats and cars https://git.io/JseBp
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12:14:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9277: Font sizes are unreasonably small or large with no in between https://git.io/JslSd
12:14:56 <LordAro> TrueBrain: yeah, i think that can be closed
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12:23:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #9051: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JOEC9
12:23:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg started discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:23:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:23:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:23:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:23:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:24:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:24:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on discussion #9299: Cities build irrational bridges: right on the shore, along the lake, next to each other https://git.io/JGLMK
12:24:09 <TrueBrain> I expected something more clever
12:28:10 <LordAro> that's been there over a month
12:31:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9061: Clear land tool clears areas that are already cleared (bare land) https://git.io/JOzbJ
12:31:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #9061: Clear land tool clears areas that are already cleared (bare land) https://git.io/JOzbJ
12:31:21 <TrueBrain> I moved a "feature" request on the issue tracker to a discussion
12:32:44 <TrueBrain> one would assume they just do this transparently .. but no, it closes the issue, opens a new discussion, and "posts" the replies :P
12:34:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9236: Vehicles do not pass stopped/broken down vehicles https://git.io/J3jij
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12:40:10 <TrueBrain> so happy someone else opened #9265 .. I fall for it every freaking game :P
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12:53:10 <TrueBrain> I love talking a wrong into a right from time to time :)
13:00:13 <TrueBrain> (and yes, it is nonsense, and there is a huge gaping hole in the story, but that is not relevant :P)
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13:13:56 <andythenorth> TrueBrain I can't even follow the maths
13:14:02 <andythenorth> I am stuck at 'brr what?'
13:14:09 <peter1138> And the Nest is now VLANed.
13:14:11 <andythenorth> and I have actually sold a company which had actual loans
13:14:16 <andythenorth> when we sold the purchaser had to buy out some of the loans
13:14:24 <andythenorth> because they had been personally guaranteed by the shareholders, and you can't guarantee a loan personally when you can no longer exercise control over the repayment
13:14:31 <andythenorth> but we used..like maths and tables
13:14:34 <andythenorth> not a wall of words
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13:19:15 <peter1138> Why does mpd have a URL handler for gopher://?
13:28:09 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: the issue started with maths and tables
13:28:12 <TrueBrain> so we have that going for us :)
13:29:02 <TrueBrain> but yeah, this all heavily depends on what you agree .. I mean, in OpenTTD after you buyout a company, the owner gets NOTHING
13:29:07 <TrueBrain> which is a bit rude
13:29:11 <TrueBrain> and a weird way to sell your company :)
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13:32:02 <TrueBrain> the longer I look at this "shares" code, the less sense it makes :D
13:32:19 <TrueBrain> why, when you take over a company, does the game "sell you back" your shares
13:32:28 <TrueBrain> so you double-dip in the assets you receive?
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13:45:25 <TrueBrain> now I need to run some test-games to verify my findings :)
14:00:03 <TrueBrain> okay, it is as bad as I was thinking :)
14:20:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGtLw
14:20:52 <TrueBrain> ooh, game crash in Company Pool
14:20:58 <TrueBrain> question is .. can I reproduce ..
14:21:22 <peter1138> Bit annoying to watch
14:29:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtmD
14:33:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9300: Fix #9281: acquire a company uses special bookkeeping to make you rich https://git.io/JGtYy
14:33:07 <TrueBrain> okay, I think this should be it
14:33:18 <TrueBrain> we can debate the terms of the buy-out
14:33:25 <TrueBrain> like, does the owner get anything
14:33:30 <TrueBrain> but .. at least it is far less buggy :)
14:35:01 <TrueBrain> peter1138: yeah .. that way of "abusing" Give Money is not really preventable :)
14:35:07 <TrueBrain> well, disabling the functionality :P
14:36:00 <Timberwolf> Either that or "you cannot give money to a company with shares issued"
14:36:02 <peter1138> Shares are a detail that can't really work.
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14:38:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGtOi
14:39:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGt3v
14:39:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on issue #9061: Clear land tool clears areas that are already cleared (bare land) https://git.io/JOzbJ
14:39:42 <TrueBrain> shares are bananas in OpenTTD :) but so is "give money" :)
14:40:42 <peter1138> At least give money doesn't fabricate it, but yeah.
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14:43:10 <TrueBrain> well, I agree, without shares "give money" is a whole less worse
14:43:23 <TrueBrain> well, I would guess most servers have "shares" disables anyway
14:44:07 <TrueBrain> its funny, the code is littered with "acquire only works for AIs"
14:44:47 <TrueBrain> but that is not so much related to shares :)
14:44:49 <_dp_> hm, I remember using "unload & take cargo" but don't remember what for...
14:45:08 <_dp_> it has some special usecase
14:45:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtsn
14:58:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9301: Change: by default, make "unload all" leave stations empty https://git.io/JGtnI
15:05:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9094: Electric train waits for free path when track is not electrified https://git.io/JOSrh
15:05:56 <TrueBrain> I do not understand why people were voting this down ..
15:06:37 <TrueBrain> it is so incredibly hard to diagnose this issue, especially as new player, and especially as electric rail is not -that- different from non-electric
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15:09:49 <_dp_> TrueBrain, because lost trains are even harder to diagnose
15:09:59 <_dp_> if you worry about new players disable elrail by default :P
15:10:13 <TrueBrain> yeah, that is a very black/white view on the problem given by the user
15:10:23 <andythenorth> does the train know why it can't find a path?
15:10:33 <andythenorth> we could have a new effect sprite
15:10:42 <andythenorth> which the stuck train emits
15:10:45 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I would hope so :P And if not, we should teach it to :D
15:10:55 <andythenorth> red version of the sparks, or a red exclamation mark char
15:11:01 <TrueBrain> and the status should just change to "Destination unreachable"
15:11:06 <TrueBrain> like many many many many other games do :P
15:11:17 <TrueBrain> haha, exclamation mark on vehicles is a nice idea :)
15:11:38 <andythenorth> if PBS overlay was on, we could maybe highlight the unpowered segments
15:11:54 <TrueBrain> other games have a various of tools available for this
15:12:04 <TrueBrain> like an overlay that shows a coloured line on top of tracks to indicate various of things
15:12:07 <TrueBrain> can either be density
15:12:11 <TrueBrain> but in this case: type of track
15:12:47 <TrueBrain> both can greatly help diagnose what the fuck is going on on your tracks
15:13:17 <TrueBrain> but as I just posted, the problem is not only with trains
15:13:25 <TrueBrain> I learnt to hate ships because of this
15:13:41 <TrueBrain> just fucking tell me you cannot reach the dock, instead of being a fucking bozo and doing what-ever-the-fuck-you want
15:13:47 <TrueBrain> missing a half-piece of road
15:13:56 <TrueBrain> takes for-ever to find
15:14:49 <_dp_> yeah, lost vehicles can use some diagnostic info
15:15:18 <_dp_> having it remember exact tile where it got lost would also be helpful
15:15:50 <TrueBrain> so this is why I don't understand why people downvote such issue
15:15:55 <TrueBrain> it clearly is an issue we all have
15:16:04 <TrueBrain> his solution might be suboptimal .. but ... his issue is real :P
15:16:25 <_dp_> I downwoted because of "solution"
15:16:37 <TrueBrain> yeah .. it is an issue .. not a PR :)
15:19:55 <_dp_> well, feature request/proposal is also an issue in github
15:22:19 <_dp_> it barely even mentions the issue itself...
15:27:02 <_dp_> btw, I think what #9094 mentions is actually a rare case
15:27:12 <_dp_> usually trains just get lost and run around iirc
15:28:40 <_dp_> also may not be a bad idea to just stop lost vehicles
15:28:55 <_dp_> though will probably have to be configurable for compatibility
15:30:01 <_dp_> ah, no, nvm, bad idea xD
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15:32:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JsHBo
15:32:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGt0B
15:36:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JsHBo
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15:50:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGThL
15:51:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGThL
15:52:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGtgr
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16:02:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGta1
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16:12:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtwp
16:13:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtrZ
16:15:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtrS
16:18:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGtow
16:25:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtK5
16:31:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #9296: Fixes and code changes to reduce number of LGTM alerts https://git.io/JGThL
16:34:30 <TrueBrain> sometimes it is really unclear if people are trolling or being entitled .. lets give it the benefit of the doubt :)
16:39:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JsHBo
16:41:49 <TrueBrain> yeah, something like that :P
16:41:55 <TrueBrain> just with entitled, not stupidity
16:46:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JGtMx
16:49:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #9301: Change: by default, make "unload all" leave stations empty https://git.io/JGtDy
16:49:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #9288: Codechange: differentiate in SettingDescBase implementations for different classes of settings https://git.io/JsHBo
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16:56:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #9265: Change "unload" to default to "unload and leave empty" https://git.io/JsODr
16:56:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9301: Change: by default, make "unload all" leave stations empty https://git.io/JGtnI
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17:41:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JGtNC
17:55:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JGtNC
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19:38:23 <andythenorth> I don't think this is deprecated
19:38:29 <andythenorth> and I can never find it in the docs :P
19:38:33 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:38:41 <andythenorth> it's pretty much essential to have that feature
19:38:54 <glx> it is deprecated, you're not supposed to use this syntax :)
19:39:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9302: Change: split check and update callbacks for settings https://git.io/JGtNC
19:39:34 <andythenorth> historically we have been against adding 80+ var useage
19:39:41 <andythenorth> it's the only way to use 80+ vars
19:39:51 <andythenorth> it's also the only sensible way to test new OpenTTD vars
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20:02:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] frosch123 commented on issue #218: Request: Add variable for xy coordinates of industries https://git.io/JGqZ1
20:22:48 <andythenorth> this is why 80+ vars aren't just added to nml :D
20:24:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] 2TallTyler commented on issue #218: Request: Add variable for xy coordinates of industries https://git.io/JGqZ1
20:24:41 <frosch123> 80+x vars are always a problem. they are implementation details, which may change meaning in weird ways
20:25:13 <frosch123> it's okay as cheap way to test something, but if something is useful there should be proper var instead
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22:06:28 <Speeder> can't get python to work on Godot
22:06:36 <Speeder> seemly it is a compilation issue with the dll
22:06:44 <Speeder> but I can't figure out how to make scons compile with mingw
22:06:51 <Speeder> it insists it wants to compile with MSVC :(
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