IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-03-31
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01:33:51 <Afdal> Anyone remember what that feud between Freenode and OFTC was all about?
01:34:18 <Afdal> There was a thing that made people move to OFTC a while back, wasn't there? What was the thing?
01:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there was never a "feud". there were reasons for moving this channel.
01:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there might have been other people who moved for different reasons at different times
01:42:10 <Afdal> annoyance at bad Freenode management in the mid-'00s or something?
01:48:43 <Afdal> I guess there was a time when Freenode didn't have SSL support
01:56:31 <Afdal> I think people were getting cranky at the Freenode ruler's spammy donation requests at the time
01:57:35 <Afdal> and then he got run over by a car :(
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02:46:11 <supermop_Home_> snail_UES_ nyc health & hospitals
02:46:33 <supermop_Home_> the main nyc finder is worthless
02:46:41 <snail_UES_> what’s the URL? I’m using vax4nyc.nyc.gov
02:46:46 <supermop_Home_> the one that Javits is on
02:47:40 <supermop_Home_> it took a ton of refreshing
02:48:19 <supermop_Home_> like moving the calendar date back and forth to refresh without having to re-do all the attestations
02:49:57 <supermop_Home_> I was also trying the walgreens and rite aid sites (worthless), the nyc city one, and the weil cornell / NYP patient portal
02:51:00 <supermop_Home_> there were a handful of easter sunday spots on staten island this evening
02:52:28 <supermop_Home_> i got lucky and got one on Broome St tho
02:52:50 <supermop_Home_> (although i was eager to have an excuse to ride the SIR)
02:56:07 <supermop_Home_> hopefully the frenzy has died down!
02:58:31 <snail_UES_> thanks, let me try that one
02:58:35 <supermop_Home_> this morning i went on foot to all of the downtown duane reads i could
03:00:14 <snail_UES_> which is the website I’ve been using all day…
03:01:05 <snail_UES_> a few appointments do pop up every now and then, but as soon as I click on them, they’re regularly not available anymore
03:01:34 <supermop_Home_> i had the same issue
03:01:46 <supermop_Home_> i just kept clicking them... for like hours
03:02:18 <supermop_Home_> i think today is just an insane influx of of traffic
03:02:41 <supermop_Home_> but it will be worse next week when they open it to all 16+
03:03:08 <supermop_Home_> so it's a race for us 30+ to get it in before then!
03:03:58 <snail_UES_> I don’t mind driving to staten island or brooklyn… as long as I can secure one
03:04:07 <snail_UES_> yours on broome street sounds quite sweet
03:04:12 <supermop_Home_> sometime the Javits one would show me a spot in like late may
03:04:23 <supermop_Home_> and even that would be gone by the time i clicked it
03:04:38 <supermop_Home_> yes i am quite pleased to get one within walking distance
03:04:53 <supermop_Home_> SI would have been a pain to go for both doses
03:05:47 <supermop_Home_> all of the local Chinatown pharmacies seem to be getting very small / irregular allotments, so they can only do like a pen and paper waitlist
03:06:12 <snail_UES_> so you went there to check?
03:06:23 <snail_UES_> maybe I should do the same with the CVS and Duane Reade around me
03:06:30 <supermop_Home_> i called the Chinatown places
03:06:43 <supermop_Home_> cvs doesn't have anything yet
03:06:51 <supermop_Home_> but DR you might get lucky
03:07:07 <supermop_Home_> if you have a car you could try Citi Field
03:07:48 <supermop_Home_> i was unsure how to balance an hour of walking in to places vs an hour of refreshing pages
03:09:03 <snail_UES_> I see, where is citi field?
03:09:16 <snail_UES_> I do have a car, don’t mind driving somewhere to get the vaccine
03:09:19 <supermop_Home_> if there are independent pharmacies near you i'd try calling them
03:10:16 <supermop_Home_> i heard it's the easiest of the big borough-wide centers to get a spot at
03:10:27 <snail_UES_> I see, not that far from here
03:11:22 <supermop_Home_> iif you have the energy to stay up late, i'd advise keep refreshing
03:11:34 <supermop_Home_> and then call some spots in the morning
03:12:20 <supermop_Home_> and if you have a patient profile with one of the big hospital groups try them too. My wife also got an appointment through NYU hospital
03:13:54 <snail_UES_> that’s good for her…
03:14:26 <snail_UES_> guess I’ll try again tomorrow in the early morning
03:14:34 <snail_UES_> thanks for your tips :_
03:21:21 <supermop_Home_> finally getting appointments has been a huge benefit to our moods and mental states today!
03:21:32 <supermop_Home_> hope you get yours soon
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08:23:03 <TrueBrain> just 9 (out of 28) languages left on Steam to translate the Store Page for :D
08:24:26 <LordAro> TrueBrain: what about #8904 ?
08:25:14 <LordAro> no one's reviewed it :(
08:25:28 <TrueBrain> has OpenTTD really become a 2-man-show? :(
08:25:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #8904: Fix #8803: Automatically removing signals on rail construction would … https://git.io/JYzqz
08:27:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8904: Fix #8803: Automatically removing signals on rail construction would … https://git.io/JYnTt
08:27:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #8803: Signals on slope removed when using «auto remove on construction» with dragging https://git.io/JqvA7
08:27:54 <LordAro> everyone else does seem to have gotten a bit quieter this week
08:31:59 <TrueBrain> not only this week ;)
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08:45:53 <TrueBrain> Steam considers Major Updates "events", which is rather weird for OpenTTD :P
08:46:51 <TrueBrain> okay .. Steam news is also prepared
08:46:55 <TrueBrain> that means I only need reviews now :)
08:47:05 <andythenorth> oof I have so much FIRS to do before release tomorrow
08:47:11 * andythenorth self imposed stupid deadlines
08:47:57 <_dp_> haha, you're not alone in that
08:48:12 * _dp_ has half-broken citymania to fix and yolo into production today
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09:08:41 <andythenorth> so could we have dynamic company colour rules for groups
09:08:56 <andythenorth> like conditional formatting in a spreadsheet?
09:09:09 <andythenorth> e.g. 'red if this train made no profit last year'
09:09:12 <andythenorth> 'blue if stopped'
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09:19:27 <Timberwolf> 'yellow if this train would have made a profit, except for the cost of painting it a different colour every few days'
09:21:52 <TrueBrain> right, except cutting out the faces from Discord webcams, I also prepared all images etc for livestream
09:21:58 <_dp_> rather than company color that can actually be a viable highlight
09:24:41 <andythenorth> Timberwolf obviously we'd need stacking rules, and OR / XOR / AND and exclusions
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09:32:40 <TrueBrain> okay .. I think that is all I had to do for OpenTTD .. we will see if not :P
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09:43:49 <andythenorth> I have a ship crashing game from 20 years ago
09:46:27 <Timberwolf> I was reading about some of the early Bullfrog games (having only really played Populous, Theme Park and a demo of Syndicate) and Powermonger apparently had a mechanic where your orders have to be delivered by carrier pigeon.
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09:46:43 <Timberwolf> We should do this for vehicle orders in early start games.
09:47:02 <Timberwolf> Start with pigeons, then you can build telegraph wires, then radio transmitters.
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09:51:00 <Timberwolf> Everything you build has to be created by workers, who emanate from your HQ and will use your passenger network to get closer if it's available.
09:56:11 <Timberwolf> And now I think if you're going to do that, you may as well require shipping the necessary raw materials from industries.
09:56:42 <Timberwolf> There's probably quite a fun "early Victorian railway company" game in that somewhere, shame I have an actual job.
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10:44:07 <andythenorth> if I get fired as MD of my business
10:44:21 <andythenorth> I might do the 'yet another derivative of OpenTTD' thing
10:45:09 <andythenorth> I think I'd rather not get fired TBH
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13:10:27 <supermop_Home_> any luck snail_UES_?
13:12:43 <supermop_Home_> andythenorth release flume tomorrow?
13:14:59 <LordAro> hmm, opensfx-*-all.zip just contains a tar file... which is weird.
13:15:21 <andythenorth> supermop_Home_ maybe :)
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13:17:47 <orudge> LordAro: hm, interesting, 0.2.3 included the untarred directory
13:17:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] supermop commented on pull request #63: Change: Improved infra06.png Monorail and Maglev roof sprites https://git.io/JYg64
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13:22:32 <LordAro> orudge: i'm not sure it's an issue as such, as the tar is what OTTD would use anyway
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13:28:38 <LordAro> peter1138: i hope you are no longer in need of help
13:28:39 <peter1138> Can't add it on Steam yet ;(
13:28:54 <peter1138> LordAro, hah, going to take a bit of work to get my legs back up to speed...
13:29:12 <LordAro> i suspected it might be something like that
13:29:13 <peter1138> Felt good being out though
13:29:40 <LordAro> i felt similar after my first outing in a few months a few weeks ago
13:30:03 <peter1138> At least my lungs were okay. Just the legs not happy.
13:32:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] LordAro merged pull request #58: Fix #49, #51: Correct sprite offsets for toy factory https://git.io/JqvXM
13:36:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] LordAro closed pull request #63: Change: Improved infra06.png Monorail and Maglev roof sprites https://git.io/JYTCr
13:36:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] LordAro updated pull request #63: Change: Improved infra06.png Monorail and Maglev roof sprites https://git.io/JYTCr
13:39:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] LordAro commented on pull request #63: Change: Improved infra06.png Monorail and Maglev roof sprites https://git.io/JYgyO
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14:38:22 <supermop_Home_> LordAro i should make a new PR?
14:38:42 <LordAro> supermop_Home_: yes please
14:39:08 <supermop_Home_> but not compared to opengfx master?
14:39:31 <LordAro> no, use a different branch (name) at your end
14:39:46 <LordAro> new-maglev-stations or whatever
14:42:40 <supermop_Home_> ok, not sure how to do that, trying to find out
14:43:35 <LordAro> then ensure you're on that "tree" before making changes
14:43:40 <LordAro> (if using the GH interface)
14:44:43 <TrueBrain> LordAro: what did you do that it matters how he calls his branch? :D Push to upstream? :D
14:45:04 <LordAro> TrueBrain: something like that
14:45:16 <LordAro> i rebased and squashed his branch
14:45:21 <TrueBrain> what I do, as a lot of people use "master" of their fork, I check it out in my own local branch name
14:45:21 <LordAro> which GH decided it didn't like
14:45:24 <TrueBrain> which I push back in his
14:45:39 <TrueBrain> works fine for me in all the times I did that
14:46:39 <LordAro> mm, probably should've done that
14:46:41 <TrueBrain> what worries me, is that "master" is just a name
14:46:53 <TrueBrain> so if he changes it .. what difference does it make for what-ever you made go boom? :P
14:47:52 <TrueBrain> that said, I have pushed to OpenTTD master where I wanted to push to a branch on my fork .... :D That was hilarious :D
14:48:01 <TrueBrain> bypassing PRs like there is no tomorrroowowwwww
14:48:37 <LordAro> oh hang on, it says "no new commits"
14:49:09 <TrueBrain> did you remove his commit from the branch?
14:49:22 <TrueBrain> a PR is autoclosed when you push HEAD of master to the branch
14:49:27 <TrueBrain> which is weird as fuck :P
14:49:48 <TrueBrain> yeah, I did that too :D
14:50:10 <LordAro> ! [remote rejected] supermop-master -> master (permission denied)
14:50:39 <TrueBrain> don't push to the wrong git repo :P
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17:24:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rpwjanzen commented on pull request #8894: Replace IConsolePrint*(F)( calls with specific console level calls https://git.io/JY2Qx
17:26:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rpwjanzen commented on pull request #8909: Feature 7957, banlist: load/save ban lists from/to external files https://git.io/JY27o
17:36:35 <supermop_Home_> LordAro is the new pr better?
17:51:00 <glx_> commit message is wrong, but at least it's now in a branch :)
17:53:56 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
17:56:02 <LordAro> supermop_Home_: new PR is good :)
17:56:11 <LordAro> (well, can't particularly speak for the content)
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18:04:23 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I dunno .. it is in part of so many small things we did
18:04:53 <TrueBrain> yeah, I really had trouble with that one
18:04:55 <TrueBrain> the others were easy :P
18:06:12 <TrueBrain> no, I think we just leave it for what it is .. I also wanted to mention 60fps
18:06:14 <TrueBrain> but I also failed in that
18:06:49 <TrueBrain> sentences become really long if you try to stuff all that into it :D
18:07:31 <LordAro> you want to mention all the tiny little technical details, but users don't care about that stuff
18:07:42 <LordAro> they care about the stuff that took 30s to implement
18:07:42 <TrueBrain> it is a difficult balance
18:07:53 <TrueBrain> and our changelogs are rubbish to make it easy to read for users :P
18:08:07 <TrueBrain> I have been fiddling a bit with another way of presenting the changelog
18:08:10 <TrueBrain> but it takes a lot of effort
18:08:23 <TrueBrain> lot of games do things like group it per category
18:08:25 <TrueBrain> which is really nice
18:08:35 <TrueBrain> or have "highlighted features", which they spend a sentence of 3 on
18:08:57 <TrueBrain> but it takes so much time doing that
18:09:04 <TrueBrain> none of us wants to spend that on a release :D
18:11:25 <TrueBrain> FFFs as "release changelog" ... :D
18:13:12 <TrueBrain> some projects enforce that the title of the PR is that what gets in Changelogs (fully automated)
18:13:18 <TrueBrain> which is also a nice take on things
18:13:33 <LordAro> certainly simplifies generation
18:13:48 <TrueBrain> also makes it clear when to make a new PR and when not to :)
18:18:45 <andythenorth> we have internal changelogs and external release announcements
18:19:00 <andythenorth> the internal changelog tends to relate to tickets not commits
18:19:18 <andythenorth> there seems to be absolutely no point in having people copy the wording from commits and paste it
18:19:29 <andythenorth> context andythenorth
18:22:53 <TrueBrain> Our PR titles only aren't that great, so we would have to work on that :)
18:23:03 <TrueBrain> Like always mentioning the ticket it fixes etc
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18:36:01 <TrueBrain> would make a few people happy :P
18:37:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro opened pull request #8916: Codechange: Suppress warnings when asserts are disabled https://git.io/JY2jZ
18:38:08 <TrueBrain> "_table(_thread(_root_vm)->_roottable)->CountUsed();" <- statement has no effect other than the check?
18:39:21 <TrueBrain> it returns a variable
18:39:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #8916: Codechange: Suppress warnings when asserts are disabled https://git.io/JY2jK
18:41:13 <LordAro> i'll be honest, i didn't check that one
18:41:33 <LordAro> but it doesn't look like it does anything :p
18:41:36 <TrueBrain> never assume a Count function has no effects :P
18:41:48 <TrueBrain> but yeah, it returns a variable, so it should be fine :)
18:41:48 <LordAro> and the squirrel code is well known for being perfectly sane :p
18:43:12 <LordAro> hmm, there are quite a few other usages of _DEBUG
18:43:23 <LordAro> i'm not quite sure of the distinction
18:43:37 <supermop_Home_> is there a way i can make the commit checker test run again?
18:43:55 <LordAro> supermop_Home_: not without force pushing to correct the commit message
18:44:03 <LordAro> which you can't do via the GH interface
18:44:11 <LordAro> don't worry about it, it can be fixed "in post"
18:44:22 <TrueBrain> LordAro: how is _DEBUG set?
18:45:35 <TrueBrain> the tab/shift for FF is linked to it
18:45:47 <TrueBrain> owh, is _DEBUG not Debug vs Release
18:45:58 <LordAro> that would make sense
18:46:26 <LordAro> is it linked for all OSes? i only see it in allegro & win32
18:46:44 <LordAro> oh, my grep was suboptimal
18:46:45 <TrueBrain> sdl2_v.cpp, line 603
18:46:57 <LordAro> " _DEBUG" doesn't catch defined(..)
18:47:16 <TrueBrain> does make me wonder why you had to replace one _DEBUG for NDEBUG
18:47:39 <TrueBrain> owh, CI does Debug build ofc
18:48:00 <LordAro> code within it is only used for the assert, so..
18:48:09 <TrueBrain> but happened to go correctly
18:48:20 <TrueBrain> as a release release build wouldn't throw that warning
18:48:24 <TrueBrain> only debug release builds :D
18:49:22 <TrueBrain> the CI makes a BuildType=Debug build with NO_ASSERTS
18:54:54 <peter1138> Urgh. Shall I open this special bottle of beer...
19:02:12 <peter1138> I don't know what game to play. I went back into Humble account and found several months of unclaimed Monthly games...
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19:11:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #8906: Change: [CMake] Copy AI/GS compatibility files to build dir https://git.io/JYaUs
19:16:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8880: Feature: Press ctrl to build diagonal rivers in Scenario Editor https://git.io/JYaUb
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19:38:59 <frosch123> it probably was a stupid idea to feed 8k nodes and 11k edges into graphviz
19:39:26 <glx_> depends on available RAM I guess
19:39:53 <frosch123> 500MB currently, but i don't know whether it will finish today :)
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19:47:29 <andythenorth> frosch123 which grf is that? :D
19:47:52 <frosch123> i guess i can only show single industries :p
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19:49:41 <supermop_Home_> peter1138 what kind of beer?
19:53:53 <andythenorth> now I want to try graphvizing FIRS :P
19:54:09 * andythenorth wonders how many duplicate nodes
19:56:18 <andythenorth> Iron Horse would probably be worse
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19:59:52 <TrueBrain> LordAro: if you merge your PR, I can rebase mine, so we can see if that fixes all warnings? :D
20:02:25 <LordAro> you'd have to backport it as well :p
20:02:37 <LordAro> which you're welcome to do
20:02:42 <TrueBrain> I will, but not tonight
20:02:56 <TrueBrain> so if you merge, I will take care of that tomorrow :P But was hoping I could do that quickly :D
20:03:16 <LordAro> speaking of, ogfx release? would be nice to get supermop_Home_'s things in
20:03:28 <LordAro> need someone to actually test it though...
20:04:22 <TrueBrain> can't help there :(
20:09:57 <supermop_Home_> andythenorth is steeltown plastic meant to be pellets?
20:10:08 <supermop_Home_> does it go in covered hoppers?
20:10:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler dismissed a review for pull request #8880: Feature: Press ctrl to build diagonal rivers in Scenario Editor https://git.io/JYLPS
20:10:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #8880: Feature: Press ctrl to build diagonal rivers in Scenario Editor https://git.io/Jmd3N
20:11:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #8880: Feature: Press ctrl to build diagonal rivers in Scenario Editor https://git.io/JYaqw
20:15:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #8880: Feature: Press ctrl to build diagonal rivers in Scenario Editor https://git.io/JYaqh
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20:20:11 <andythenorth> supermop_Home_ yes
20:20:12 <frosch123> two very similar industries, they only share "switch_colour" :p
20:20:38 <andythenorth> look at all those location switches :P
20:20:50 <andythenorth> those are early candidates for procedures :P
20:22:21 <frosch123> my graph does not include procedures btw :p
20:22:27 <frosch123> too complicate to extract
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20:25:22 <supermop_Home_> what about carbon black? does that go in a tank?
20:26:40 <FLHerne> supermop_Home_: It's a fine powder, so probably equivalent to cement for transport
20:26:48 <FLHerne> But much more flammable
20:27:52 <supermop_Home_> i don't feel like adding silo trailers
20:28:15 <supermop_Home_> so either covered hopper, tank, or in bags in a box truck?
20:30:28 <andythenorth> supermop_Home_ carbon black has dedicated hoppers IRL
20:31:05 <andythenorth> I think carbon black is non-flammable, it's literally fine soot
20:31:17 <andythenorth> but it might be combustible as a powder?
20:32:05 <glx> safe when compact, dangerous when dispersed in the air
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20:33:31 <supermop_Home_> recolor covered hopper to black?
20:34:28 <andythenorth> that's what I do
20:37:47 <TrueBrain> LordAro: maybe release OpenGFX without that PR?
20:39:47 <TrueBrain> we can always do a new release shortly after :)
20:40:30 <glx> releases are easy to do (and would be even easier when we find a way to auto upload to bananas ;) )
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20:52:15 <andythenorth> oof I have done no FIRS this evening
20:52:19 <andythenorth> I have done chores
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21:18:56 <snail_UES_> supermop_Home_: I just got my vaccine :)
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21:23:09 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah ... guess we need to implement API tokens after all
21:23:15 <TrueBrain> well, I have a clue
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21:33:02 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I wonder if we could use a PAT against GitHub OAuth2
21:33:04 <TrueBrain> that would also solve it
21:42:43 <TrueBrain> lol .. even a day before, you get things like "Is this supposed to be april joke? I can't take this seriously by looking at that playscreen gif "
21:42:59 <TrueBrain> I cannot believe that after 10 years, releasing on the first of April is still funny :P
21:47:01 <michi_cc_> Best April fool's joke ever :P
21:52:18 <TrueBrain> The joke that keeps on joking
21:52:41 <TrueBrain> Shall we not release tomorrow? Postpone by a week or something? :p
21:54:38 <_dp_> "we listened to community and decided to make a joke instead of release"? :p
21:56:33 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: I already told you, pick a weird timezone
21:56:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #8916: Codechange: Suppress warnings when asserts are disabled https://git.io/JYaWH
21:57:05 <FLHerne> On Baker Island it's still 9:56am
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22:11:44 <andythenorth> oof bedtime here though
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22:51:59 <supermop_Home_> snail_UES_ where'd you end up going?
22:52:27 <snail_UES_> Bronx. I was frantically fiddling with that website, until I got an appointment for just 1 hour later...
22:52:40 <snail_UES_> had to jump on my car and rush there :p
22:56:40 <supermop_Home_> a friend of mine also got one in the Bronx today
23:04:19 <supermop_Home_> ok flumes on bananas!
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