IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-11-28
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11:50:34 * andythenorth now lost in portal wiki pages
11:55:43 <TrueBrain> Portal Reloaded in 2021 .. community based mod pack .. sounds really awesome :D
12:01:32 <andythenorth> oof the new Chrome icon is almost exactly like the old Photoshop icon
12:01:39 * andythenorth keeps switching to the wrong one :x
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12:20:40 * andythenorth considers 3 loading sprite states
12:36:56 <TrueBrain> logs are not live btw :P
12:37:22 <TrueBrain> people wrote invalid UTF-8 in some channels ... I mean, come on people :P
12:46:08 <andythenorth> Tunnel d9442f39da20.eu.ngrok.io not found ? o_O
12:46:14 * andythenorth wanted to send congrats but eh
12:46:52 <TrueBrain> sorry, closed it :P
12:47:05 <TrueBrain> that was not really nice of me :)
12:47:36 <TrueBrain> I need to add a end-of-line-whitespace in a configuration, because ..... supybot is idiotic
12:47:40 <TrueBrain> but my editor doesn't allow me :P
12:48:46 <andythenorth> I seem to have made a modular cargo compositor previously
12:48:51 <andythenorth> and it seems to be extensible
12:49:10 <andythenorth> without really adding much complexity
12:49:53 <andythenorth> hmm checking varact2 in the vehicle sprites chain, that's got no performance cost, right right right?
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12:53:09 <LordAro> TrueBrain: can't quote it?
12:53:52 <TrueBrain> LordAro: no ... it uses a REALLY stupid format :P
12:53:57 <TrueBrain> it is okay, I found a way around it :)
13:32:35 <TrueBrain> supybot.registry.NonExistentRegistryEntry: 'set' is not a valid entry in 'supybot.plugins.BetterServices.NickServ.password'
13:32:39 <TrueBrain> this is totaly gibberish to me
13:32:42 <TrueBrain> like .. what does it even say?
13:33:52 * andythenorth is as confused as you
13:39:55 <TrueBrain> there is an absolute and total lack of documentation ... ugh .....
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14:39:11 <andythenorth> random grf containing pacer, mining truck, and truck for transporting mining trucks
14:40:31 <frosch123> what percentage of users will leave that door to the stairs open?
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14:55:56 <TrueBrain> battle of the bots :P
14:56:13 <andythenorth> had a bot once that was engineered to crash the other bot
14:56:20 <andythenorth> cyber bullying :|
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14:57:36 <TrueBrain> right ... identification also works :)
14:58:43 <andythenorth> I like the css :)
14:59:02 <TrueBrain> so the first thing someone does, it trying a month that does not exist? Really? :P
14:59:12 <TrueBrain> I was about to say, wtfffff :P
14:59:14 <TrueBrain> why is it listed ..
14:59:32 <TrueBrain> something created the folder .. lammmeeee
14:59:37 <andythenorth> it knows the future
14:59:44 <_dp_> yeah, I just clicked the latest :p
14:59:56 <TrueBrain> yeah, it was a bug on my side :) Fixed now :P
15:00:44 <glx> will III become a module for iv ?
15:02:04 <TrueBrain> that no longer does anything :)
15:02:42 <DorpsGek_iv> DorpsGek: I don't recognize you.
15:03:34 <TrueBrain> I like that I made DorpsGek_iv ghost DorpsGek , but DorpsGek was quick enough to reghost or something that it only lost his name :P
15:04:29 <TrueBrain> it is not like you are banned from changing back for a while
15:04:39 <TrueBrain> so in theory ... I guess you can still claim a nick of someone else?
15:04:47 <TrueBrain> you just have to be quick enough to rename back :P
15:05:08 <glx> you can always regain if indentified
15:05:17 <TrueBrain> that is what DorpsGek_iv did
15:05:26 <TrueBrain> but before he could rename to DorpsGek, DorpsGek reclaimed his name again
15:05:48 <TrueBrain> (that is why DorpsGek was named as Guest for a short moment
15:06:00 <glx> but they both identify as the same entity I guess
15:06:12 <TrueBrain> I guess .. not sure if it used NickServ to reclaim his nick
15:06:40 <TrueBrain> it was unexpected nevertheless :)
15:06:59 <glx> too bad I can't try an infinite say loop ;)
15:07:20 <TrueBrain> there is a reason I did not implement %say :P
15:07:39 <TrueBrain> s/implement/enable/
15:08:12 <glx> reminds me of hey google/alexa fight videos
15:08:46 <TrueBrain> I think DorpsGek_iv can now be deployed to AWS, and replace DorpsGek_III ...
15:08:59 <TrueBrain> and even DorpsGek .. I just need to finish pushing the logs to S3
15:09:04 <TrueBrain> but that is not needed yet
15:12:04 <andythenorth> oof I thought I could optimise sprite generation
15:12:52 <andythenorth> I tried removing about 1000 instances of open-copy-crop for images
15:13:05 <andythenorth> saves 1.10s on a 20s compile, not really exciting :|
15:13:22 <FLHerne> In nml, or your templating?
15:13:33 <andythenorth> python graphics compositing
15:14:56 <andythenorth> I usually run it with 16 pooled threads, so the saving would be about 0.07s
15:15:44 <andythenorth> I didn't look at memory use
15:16:35 <andythenorth> doesn't really signify
15:29:05 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain opened pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkb2Q
15:29:27 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkb2Q
15:29:31 <TrueBrain> the mandatory 2-push approach
15:31:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkb2Q
15:42:53 <frosch123> i didn't know that the xyz.users.oftc.net was unique
15:43:05 <frosch123> i thought it is randomly assigned on join
15:44:05 <glx> would be a pain to manage ban lists
15:44:24 <TrueBrain> I keep surprising you with .users. things services offer :)
15:44:55 <TrueBrain> but I cheated; glx showed me it was stable :P
15:45:08 <TrueBrain> (as he had it as his hostmask for DorpsGek )
15:45:48 <glx> just sometimes it's IPv6, sometimes it's IPv4
15:49:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] frosch123 approved pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkbrd
15:49:22 <frosch123> i like how it leaks the name of the secret channel :)
15:50:01 <TrueBrain> yeah, I did wonder if I should do anything about that ... but ... we all know how easy it is to kick people .. and one can debate if that channel still have a use at all :)
15:50:27 <frosch123> i think it was used 3 times this year :)
15:51:21 <TrueBrain> I wouldn't know; I haven't been in it for months :P
15:51:53 <frosch123> yeah, but we know you can read the logs, so we still cannot make fun of you
15:52:11 <TrueBrain> haha, that is true, I can read the logs ... didn't even realise :P
15:52:17 <TrueBrain> with the new bot that will be a lot harder
15:52:48 <TrueBrain> I am pretty sure I forgot to add users btw .. the ones I added I knew the oftc handle of
15:53:21 <glx> you can't ask DorpsGek about the list of known users ?
15:53:37 <frosch123> you missed our lord
15:53:38 <TrueBrain> most people did not have their users.oftc thingy in there
15:53:41 <frosch123> the rest is not active anway
15:54:12 <TrueBrain> owh, and I haven't checked yet if I missed any channel ..
15:54:19 <TrueBrain> I assume #openttd.dev is no longer in use?
15:54:34 <TrueBrain> glx: is #opendune still used? You happen to know?
15:55:07 <TrueBrain> should I still add DorpsGek there?
15:55:59 <TrueBrain> frosch123: cannot add our lord, as I don't know his oftc handle .. he currently is not identified
15:56:38 <frosch123> ok, so they have to pr if they care :)
15:56:58 <TrueBrain> glx: I will add #opendune, with you as operator :P
15:57:14 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkbrd
15:57:14 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkb2Q
15:57:19 <TrueBrain> frosch123: did you like the ugly hacks I had to write around supybot? :P
15:57:37 <TrueBrain> I mostly love my AaaHideCommands plugin :)
15:57:52 <TrueBrain> (the updated PR only changes users.conf btw)
15:58:01 <frosch123> well, you already spoiled that the past days
15:58:53 <TrueBrain> and in good news, I can now deploy a staging version of this bot, so I no longer have to YOLO it so much every month :P
15:59:02 <frosch123> what does "capability admin" do?
15:59:14 <TrueBrain> it gives you the power to op it in channels via ChanServ
15:59:23 <TrueBrain> if you do "@services op", it will attempt that
15:59:32 <TrueBrain> might require a "@services identify" first
15:59:51 <frosch123> you always had to do that in .dev, or it stopped announcing commits
16:00:13 <TrueBrain> not sure if .dev gives DorpsGek the power to do so via ChanServ, honestly
16:00:27 <glx> I usually voiced III in .notice
16:00:40 <TrueBrain> yes, DorpsGek_III cannot become voices himself
16:00:57 <glx> well I asked DorpsGek to voice DorpsGek_III
16:00:58 <TrueBrain> but baby dorpsgek should now be able; if not, it is a misconfigured of the channel via ChanServ :)
16:01:28 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] frosch123 approved pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkb63
16:04:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities https://git.io/Jkb2Q
16:04:49 <TrueBrain> tomorrow or so I will see about deploying this :)
16:05:51 <TrueBrain> that will be interesting, I can tell you already :P
16:06:31 <TrueBrain> and I guess now I first going to change mailservers
16:08:02 <frosch123> let's hope or*dge does not shut us down for not paying our bills
16:08:13 <glx> oh I still have them set in my different mail clients (even if they are useless since the forwarding)
16:08:24 <TrueBrain> is orudge being a slacker and not paying the bill for his own company? Tssk :P :D
16:16:01 <TrueBrain> okay, created mailboxes for fonsinchen , planetmaker and rubidium on the new server
16:16:08 <TrueBrain> guess ... I can flip the switch .. :D
16:16:23 <TrueBrain> well, maybe orudge could run imap sync first
16:16:37 <TrueBrain> (on info@, that is)
16:17:41 <TrueBrain> although for a while email will arrive on both boxes
16:17:46 <TrueBrain> as .. that is the nature of DNS :)
16:17:56 <TrueBrain> well, not both, either one
16:19:57 <TrueBrain> copied the missing ones manually :)
16:20:06 <TrueBrain> okay, zone changes made
16:20:24 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I did tell you that the info@ password is changed on the new server, right?
16:20:55 <frosch123> no, i just assume that when my client tells me it's wrong, i would look into 1pw
16:21:24 <frosch123> is that a safe strategy?
16:22:56 <frosch123> when that fails, the next strategy would be trying "123" or "ilovetb"
16:23:13 <TrueBrain> okay, mail flows correctly through the new mailserver now
16:24:08 <TrueBrain> I will clean up the DNS records next week, when I shut down the old mail server
16:24:18 <TrueBrain> just to give the world some time to pick up on the DNS change :)
16:24:26 <TrueBrain> right ... another issue resolved! ALMOST THEREEEEE
16:24:43 <frosch123> the old server expires next friday, so nice timing :)
16:24:58 <TrueBrain> as in, in 6 days, or 13?
16:25:42 <TrueBrain> we will have to see if that is possible :)
16:26:01 <frosch123> not sure whether someone is used to auto-extending it :)
16:26:24 <TrueBrain> "auto"-extending is a manual action :P
16:26:35 <TrueBrain> but he knows we are nearing completiong
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17:32:34 <orudge> Yes, normally I would renew it a) for 3 months or so at a time and b) sooner, but I knew we were getting close to completing the migration
17:34:50 <orudge> I'll do a final resync of -mail in a few days
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18:52:01 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
20:57:10 <andythenorth> can have a flag to suppress nml constant optimisations? :D
20:57:25 <andythenorth> they are masking my errors :D
21:04:47 <TrueBrain> yeah, that was the moment frosch realised he had to run :P
21:08:05 <andythenorth> frosch often leaves shortly after I ask a question
21:08:26 <andythenorth> aiding my guilt nicely there TrueBrain :(
21:08:49 <TrueBrain> haven't gotten a single wiki complaint in the last week .. seems the latest change nudged people in enough of a direction to calm them down
21:09:04 <andythenorth> do you need more 'feedback'? :D
21:09:16 <TrueBrain> if you can put it in a PR, sure :)
21:10:28 <TrueBrain> still cannot believe google hasn't updated .. bing has, duckduckgo has .. it is just google being a fucking idiot
21:10:37 <andythenorth> it's quite annoying
21:11:12 <TrueBrain> that it is for sure
21:11:21 <TrueBrain> happens if the world depends too much on a single provider
21:11:28 <TrueBrain> bad things always happen in those cases :)
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21:15:10 <TrueBrain> 90% of the 404s currently being generated (around 50 every 5 minutes) are by crawlers
21:15:41 <TrueBrain> many really like to crawl the Special pages :)
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21:36:04 <_dp_> spam servers still there :(
21:36:23 <_dp_> TrueBrain, didn't you want to filter them out in new master server?
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21:39:28 <TrueBrain> Any thought how to do it in an elegant way?
21:39:52 <TrueBrain> I believe on IP was not really an option
21:40:30 <TrueBrain> Wouldn't they just change minor stuff and bypass it?
21:41:17 <_dp_> well, if you ban their website it should kinda defeat the purpose :p
21:41:28 <FLHerne> They haven't bothered to update server version for months, so they're pretty much buried if you're running 1.10.3
21:41:43 <FLHerne> i.e. they're pretty lazy about their spamming
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