IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-11-27
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00:01:01 <Gustavo6046> _dp_: I'm not a good cityplanner
00:01:07 <Gustavo6046> but I do put thought into it
00:01:38 <Gustavo6046> The amount of obstacles you often face makes those "ideal patterns" impossible. In a similar way to how the perfect model for boarding a plane is impossible in the real world.
00:06:37 <_dp_> Gustavo6046, openttd is not real world, you can do pretty much everything with that layout as a base
00:07:42 <Gustavo6046> _dp_: but with rivers and rails and stations and other obstacles -- even such things as slopes-, it becomes more difficult :P
00:08:44 <_dp_> not much, just weave the roads around
00:08:49 <Gustavo6046> It's ugly, but still
00:08:58 <Gustavo6046> Well, efficiency takes a hit
00:09:06 <Gustavo6046> Not to mention existing town structures
00:09:38 <Gustavo6046> Holy crap, that's a massive screen -- and an even more massive town!
00:10:31 <_dp_> as long as you don't make loops and keep just 8 roads effeciency should be alright
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00:19:23 <Gustavo6046> _dp_: seeds have been sown
00:19:28 <Gustavo6046> what do you mean loops?
00:29:02 <_dp_> Gustavo6046, whole idea of that spiral layout is that if you random walk from center you can never loop back on yourself
00:29:11 <_dp_> because if town loops back it skips a day
00:31:20 <Gustavo6046> _dp_: Fund Town makes it all that much harder
00:31:54 <Gustavo6046> but until it grows into the WHOLE artificial island, I find it pretty difficult it'll find any loops apart from those it generated with :P
00:32:12 <Gustavo6046> I thought it was about avoiding dead ends, too.
00:33:51 <_dp_> well, if you want max effeciency you pretty much have to bulldoze all autogenerated crap and build it anew
00:34:09 <_dp_> and yeah, if it doesn't reach the point where it loops it doesn't matter :p
00:34:26 <_dp_> dead ends too, that goes without saying
00:35:03 <_dp_> well, loops pretty much equal dead ends, once town reaches either it skips a day
00:36:02 <_dp_> ah, no, loops are slightly better, it doesn't skip immedietaly, it justs loops around but it there is too much looping it will reach distance limit
00:37:46 <Gustavo6046> _dp_: here's a comparison between a town I had more room to do spirals with, and one I basically surgeried them in
00:38:20 <Gustavo6046> (it's a different screenshot, trust me)
00:41:05 <_dp_> neither is even remotely close to what I posted
00:41:20 <_dp_> they're so messed up already that whole purpose of spiraling is lost
00:41:48 <Gustavo6046> gosh these towns are so messed up
00:43:08 <Gustavo6046> I wonder if we have VGA framebuffer support. I feel like LordAro would know.,
00:49:09 <nielsm> not directly, but SDL or Allegro probably has it (Allegro more likely)
00:49:30 <nielsm> just the Allegro drivers set is not really maintained
00:53:42 <milek7> weird, bananas seems to be broken on haiku
00:57:13 <milek7> well, network generally is broken
01:19:16 <Gustavo6046> I accidentally raised a massive chunk of land off the seabed \o/
01:19:18 <Gustavo6046> nielsm: ooh, cool
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02:07:27 <Gustavo6046> and I did a thing. It looks cool to me, idk about you :P. It's a long(-ish?) maglev rail that crosses several seas(?) to deliver goods. https://youtu.be/B9S9qYSIIMw
02:07:36 <Gustavo6046> It's not too impressive
02:08:14 <Gustavo6046> Sorry for the bitrate
02:08:22 <Gustavo6046> my PC is a sad thing
02:08:27 <Gustavo6046> more like sedentary desk laptop but still
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08:22:52 <andythenorth> waking up time :|
10:33:25 <TrueBrain> wake up slowly, I feel ripped off when they're not here, 'cause it's cold and lonely, silent when they're not here
10:39:09 <andythenorth> is this your childhood singing career TrueBrain? :o
10:39:59 <TrueBrain> Google is really bad ..... in the search dashboard, it tells me this for an URL: URL is not on Google
10:40:07 <TrueBrain> when I google it, I find it as #1 result
10:41:46 <andythenorth> I was looking at exact same thing here
10:41:52 <andythenorth> I was about to write 'fuck google'
10:41:54 <TrueBrain> how can you be this broken?
10:42:05 <TrueBrain> I mean, that your own dashboard tells another truth about your own search engine
10:42:37 <TrueBrain> the worst part ... it tells me the URL is removed 10 days ago
10:44:19 <TrueBrain> Coverage report hasn't updated in a few days now ..
10:46:27 <andythenorth> I got crawled on 20 Nov
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11:39:22 <TrueBrain> heelo DorpsGek_iv :P
11:39:26 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
11:39:27 <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
11:39:35 <TrueBrain> well, that works :)
11:39:45 <TrueBrain> now to deploy it on AWS, I say :)
11:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> how are we up to DorpsGek_IV now? :p
11:41:23 <LordAro> i'm not sure what happened to dorpsgek_ii, tbh
11:42:16 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe we don't talk about DorpsGek_II... maybe it's like Highlander 2, or Matrix 2 :p
11:42:53 <TrueBrain> yeah .. it is a good thing to not talk about DorpsGek_ii
11:44:20 <TrueBrain> it was first seen 2018-08-04 ...
11:45:22 <TrueBrain> and last seen 2019-08-31
11:45:29 <TrueBrain> his life was not that long ... we all miss him dearly ...
11:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i would have thought it was much longer ago
11:46:09 <TrueBrain> no, it ran on the kubernetes cluster
11:46:23 <TrueBrain> which survived for like 18 months or so :P
11:47:28 <TrueBrain> right, web interface to see the logs .. eeeuuuuhhhhhhhhh
11:48:06 *** SpComb^ is now known as SpComb
11:48:53 <TrueBrain> I like it when you say nothing at all :D
11:49:03 <TrueBrain> owh yeah ... talk dirty ...
11:50:25 <TrueBrain> hmm, Limnoria also logs the host of users joining/leaving
11:50:28 <TrueBrain> the old one didn't do that
11:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> what if that was actually dirty talk, in whitespace? :p
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11:52:32 <TrueBrain> right, lurk here for a bit DorpsGek_iv , and report your findings, plzzzzz
11:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> is IRC Logs even allowed since GDPR?
11:53:31 <LordAro> @calc 1 << (1 << (1 << 10))
11:53:31 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
11:53:46 <LordAro> @calc 1 ^ (1 ^ (1 ^ 10))
11:53:46 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
11:53:58 <LordAro> @calc 1 ** (1 ** (1 ** 10))
11:54:24 <LordAro> @calc 2 ** (2 ** (2 ** 10))
11:54:24 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
11:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but how is that related? :p
11:54:45 <TrueBrain> I also like how you are talking to the old bot not all of a sudden :)
11:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> we pray to the old bots and the new.
11:59:50 <TrueBrain> hmm ... to publish everyone's IP till the end of time in the logs, somehow .. I am not really fancy doing that :P
12:00:06 <TrueBrain> am = do, or fancy = fancying
12:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: i feel like the 10 in the last calculation is stilll wrong. but i'm too tired to think about maths right now
13:06:52 <longtomjr> @TrueBrain, can you not just mask the IPs?
13:06:58 <longtomjr> if you want to keep the logs
13:10:22 <andythenorth> TrueBrain we'd have to get all GDPR about that
13:11:20 <LordAro> a note in the topic to say that the channel is logged at <address> is probably sufficient
13:12:06 <orudge> IP addresses by themselves do not count as personally identifiable information
13:12:12 <orudge> It needs to be combined with something else, I believe
13:12:27 <orudge> and if you post your full name, address, etc, in the channel, well, that's your problem, I'd argue :D
13:13:51 <andythenorth> my political views :P
13:14:03 <longtomjr> when it comes to these things I just tend to err on the side of caution. if IP addresses can be seen by some laywers in the EU as personal identifiable info, lets just not have it.
13:15:08 <LordAro> not particularly difficult to scrub the connection hostnames from the logs, i'd argue
13:16:38 <orudge> There appear to be at least two public sites offering a live log of #openttd right this minute anyway
13:17:00 <longtomjr> That is not hosted by ottd?
13:17:17 <orudge> One seems to include IPs/hostnames, one doesn't
13:17:20 <longtomjr> Well, then we use that and it is someone else's problem :P
13:32:58 <dwfreed> the irclogs.thegrebs.com is hosted by somebody I know
13:33:53 <dwfreed> they are US-based, and haven't been particularly active on IRC in a while, since before GDPR was a thing
13:36:39 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: not sure why GDPR got in this conversation; I just generally do not fancy publishing IPs of people :)
13:37:00 <TrueBrain> openttd.org hasn't tried to avoid these kinds of broadcast since .. well .. 2004 :P
13:37:18 <TrueBrain> it is simply not the right thing to do; GDPR enforces this ... common sense :)
13:37:19 <andythenorth> I will subscribe to your newsletter
13:37:55 <TrueBrain> too often I read that "because of GDPR" .. but more often people should think about: "what is the sane ethical way to do this"
13:38:47 <TrueBrain> but, I guess it is the reason we are in this hot privacy mess .. because too many people were like: there is no law against that
13:39:00 <TrueBrain> and too few were: what would I think about this if this was my information
13:39:25 <longtomjr> It helps that people think about it at least. A lot of folks would not even think about it being potentially unethical etc. before GDPR. Now people are at least thinking about the impact of these things, even if it is to save their own bacon
13:39:58 <TrueBrain> and that is exactly my point: they now only thinking within the lines draw by GDPR
13:40:17 <TrueBrain> so if they find a way to comply with GDPR, it is fine .. completely forgetting to think about what GDPR tries to say
13:40:17 <dwfreed> IP addresses aren't private, and the information is already available to anybody in the channel, since it's a public channel
13:40:25 <longtomjr> Yep, but I would argue that it is still better than not thinking about it at all.
13:40:37 <TrueBrain> there is a huge difference between information being available here and now dwfreed , and keeping it for ever and ever available on the web
13:40:44 <TrueBrain> longtomjr: nobody is disagreeing
13:40:53 <longtomjr> TrueBrain, I am realising that :P
13:40:55 <TrueBrain> my point is that it is stupid we need laws to get people to think about it at all :)
13:41:07 <andythenorth> I am hard agreeing, I just don't want to do a DPIA for irc logs
13:41:21 <TrueBrain> storing the IP is like that you walk in a bar to leave your address for Covid-19
13:41:26 <TrueBrain> and that they publish that on the web for ever and ever
13:41:26 <dwfreed> *shrug* many ISPs have short IP assignment lifetimes
13:41:33 <TrueBrain> like .. no sane person would say that is okay :P
13:41:44 <TrueBrain> even if that address was only the "city you came from"
13:42:06 <TrueBrain> dwfreed: STRONGLY depends on your country
13:42:10 <longtomjr> dwfreed, in the end it is a potential way to identify, or help identify a person. So the information attached to it should be treated as such
13:42:10 <TrueBrain> there is some heavy bias there :)
13:42:32 <TrueBrain> most Dutch providers for example, have near-static assignments
13:43:01 <TrueBrain> (only if you are offline for more than 24 hours, it changes on some)
13:43:15 <dwfreed> I doubt that anything is going to change
13:43:36 <TrueBrain> that is a pretty blank statement; what do you mean? :)
13:44:23 <dwfreed> at least as far as irclogs.thegrebs.com is concerned, I doubt he's going to change his log format or strip the IPs from the existing logs
13:44:39 <TrueBrain> but I am not him; I can only fix things in my control :)
13:44:50 <TrueBrain> so I have choices in how I am going to resolve it :)
13:45:20 <TrueBrain> just because someone else is doing I don't agree with, doesn't make it okay for me to copy that behaviour :P :D
13:45:26 <dwfreed> in part because I don't know if he's particularly reachable right now; I'd have to check with mutual friends that are more likely to be able to get ahold of him in meatspace
13:45:49 <TrueBrain> just for your context, I was talking about the logs we are going to make available on openttd.org
13:50:02 <TrueBrain> in the end, when it comes to ethical concerns, you can only fix the things you have control over :)
13:50:25 <TrueBrain> (and mind you, I am staying for away if it is allowed by GDPR or not .. that is not a discussion I want to have :D)
13:52:00 <longtomjr> Did you say you are giving me legal advice? Am I your client now?
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14:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> <dwfreed> IP addresses aren't private, and the information is already available to anybody in the channel, since it's a public channel <-- that's not a good argument. GDPR is specifically about storing data that is "available anyway"
14:09:29 <TrueBrain> and someone missed the gist of the story ;)
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15:16:42 <TrueBrain> I should enable the "reload plugin" option .. :P
15:19:27 <TrueBrain> given frosch is the biggest user of this backlog, I guess I have to wait and ask him if this works for him :P
15:19:41 <TrueBrain> I was considering colouring the usernames; that might help a bit for readability
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15:36:22 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth it has to be tested some day ...
15:36:22 *** Xaroth was kicked by DorpsGek (it has to be tested some day ...)
15:36:52 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: I don't recognize you.
16:41:56 <milek7> some IRC network just mask hostnames
16:42:40 <milek7> like that: nick@7717E5F4:47EF6383:F36E20:IP
16:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but doing that in logs is tricky because you don't have any information what's IP and what's not
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16:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i don't see any reason why we need IPs in the log, thus the general approach should be "don't store any data that you don't need"
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17:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> too often I read that "because of GDPR" .. but more often people should think about: "what is the sane ethical way to do this" <-- well, concerning the "gist" of the conversation, we wouldn't need GDPR if more people were doing "the ethical" thing in the first place
17:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> GDPR is basically "the absolute minimum" of ethical consideration
17:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> if someone is not following GDPR, the world (or, at least, the internet) would probably better off if they didn't do anything at all
18:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> some people need a sheet of paper saying "this is the law" to do The Right Thing(tm), and some people only listen after paying X amount of money, and some people don't listen at all
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18:32:17 <frosch123> DorpsGek_iv does not recognise me
18:32:24 <frosch123> but without being op, it probably can't kick
18:33:10 <frosch123> also, was info@ moved? or did just the ssl cert expire?
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19:17:31 <andythenorth> there are enough
19:27:49 <andythenorth> it's always so fun though :)
19:28:08 <andythenorth> trains are easy to draw, and there are no real limits in the spec
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19:29:42 <supermop_Home> andythenorth are railcar trailers gone now?
19:29:50 <andythenorth> not intentionally
19:29:53 <supermop_Home> or did i mess us some settings
19:29:56 <andythenorth> you're playing a game?
19:30:06 <supermop_Home> for first time in a while
19:30:22 <andythenorth> the intro dates can't be synchronised, is it that maybe?
19:32:41 <supermop_Home> does it depend on the simplified gameplay param?
19:36:42 <andythenorth> they're probably removed
19:38:32 <andythenorth> supermop_Home yup removed in simplified
20:22:59 <andythenorth> should 'replace vehicles' use the group colour scheme? :)
20:53:35 <TrueBrain> frosch123: DorpsGek_iv only knows me atm :) Is the backlog sufficient for you?
20:53:47 <TrueBrain> and properly the cert expired ... I want to migrate the mail; renewing it is just wasting money :P
20:53:57 <TrueBrain> but .. still waiting for planetmaker / fonsinchen / SmatZ / Rubidium to reply :)
20:54:33 <TrueBrain> I think Sunday or so I switch anyway, by making mailboxes for those 4 people to capture any mail .. and once we know what they want, figure it out then
20:55:40 <frosch123> well, there were two cases of people talking to senior dorpsgek, while pretending to test baby dorpsgek
20:56:02 <frosch123> anyway, logs are up-to-date, without that obiwan bug of the old one
20:56:11 <TrueBrain> I took good care of that, yes :)
20:56:35 <TrueBrain> and I loved that people did not get that they were talking to baby dorpsgek .. that was cute :)
20:56:45 <frosch123> i can only see todays logs, the rest is 404
20:56:57 <TrueBrain> yes, it is not finished like that
20:57:04 <TrueBrain> was mostly curious of today is what you would expect
20:57:09 <frosch123> no idea which other channels it may expose
20:57:11 <TrueBrain> after that, I can finish the rest easily :)
20:57:18 <TrueBrain> I am whitelisting it
20:57:23 <frosch123> what did you expect me to expect?
20:57:28 <TrueBrain> so not the secret channel :P
20:57:32 <TrueBrain> well, you read the backlog the most
20:57:35 <frosch123> it's more colorful than the old one :p
20:57:41 <TrueBrain> the old one had a button for it! :D
20:57:43 <frosch123> you can link to lines
20:57:47 <TrueBrain> but I was mostly curious if I missed anything or what-ever
20:57:55 <frosch123> don'T know what more
20:58:06 <TrueBrain> sometimes a question is just that simple :)
20:58:26 <frosch123> can you make https?://\S* linkable?
20:58:54 <frosch123> but not important either :)
20:58:59 <TrueBrain> I could .. do you want to?
20:59:02 <TrueBrain> it is a simple regex
20:59:24 <frosch123> could something explode?
20:59:41 <TrueBrain> it could be wrong, but that is about it :P
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21:00:12 <TrueBrain> there, now it knows you frosch123
21:00:16 <TrueBrain> at least .. I think
21:00:25 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: frosch
21:00:40 <TrueBrain> I wanted to avoid a battle between those two :P
21:01:03 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to kick someone.
21:01:04 <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: Error: '0' is not a valid topic number.
21:01:18 <TrueBrain> he will become op once I rename it to DorpsGek
21:01:29 <frosch123> sounds like a hobbit
21:01:37 <TrueBrain> no clue .. some weird IRC thingy
21:01:45 <TrueBrain> not even sure this IRC network supports that :P
21:02:05 <TrueBrain> but for DorpsGek_iv to become +o it needs to identify with ChanServ, which means DorpsGek would be kicked :P
21:02:07 <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3, DG3
21:02:08 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not (half)opped and #openttd is +t.
21:02:25 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o DorpsGek_iv
21:02:30 <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3, DG3
21:02:30 *** DorpsGek_iv changes topic to "1.10.3, DG3 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"
21:02:33 <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3
21:02:33 *** DorpsGek_iv changes topic to "1.10.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"
21:02:56 *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: -o DorpsGek
21:03:01 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: The command "op" is available in the BetterChannel and Services plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "op".
21:03:13 <TrueBrain> ah, that is a nice bug :)
21:03:18 <TrueBrain> %BetterChannl op DorpsGek
21:03:25 <TrueBrain> %BetterChannel op DorpsGek
21:03:25 *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: +o DorpsGek
21:03:53 <frosch123> almost hostile takeover :)
21:05:13 <TrueBrain> you can make a PR to add that functionality yourself when I am done :P
21:06:45 <TrueBrain> so all there is left to do, is publish files to S3 every night, and make AWS accept this codebase :D
21:06:57 <TrueBrain> owh, and import old log-files ... 300MiB of log-files :P
21:08:15 <DorpsGek_iv> LordAro: DorpsGek was last seen in #openttd 34 seconds ago: <DorpsGek> moo
21:08:29 <DorpsGek_iv> LordAro: I have not seen Bjarni.
21:09:10 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: You don't have permissions to perform this action.
21:09:37 <frosch123> did not expect that
21:09:43 <frosch123> only wanted to test glx' script
21:09:54 <glx> it's with a ! and it's my client talking to DorpsGek
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21:10:24 <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: Error: The command "op" is available in the BetterChannel and Services plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "op".
21:11:01 <TrueBrain> I made Services non-public, but that doesn't seem to help :P
21:13:31 <TrueBrain> not sure what I am doing wrong there :P
21:15:26 <TrueBrain> it is the same in the current bot, yet it acts different .. something to figure out tomorrow :)
21:15:33 <TrueBrain> same with password, that should not respond at all
21:15:54 <TrueBrain> guess there is a BetterServices incoming :)
21:16:04 <TrueBrain> all those plugins really have WAY too many commands available :P
21:29:41 <TrueBrain> frosch123: anyway, mail, I am still not sure what is the best approach here .. it is difficult to reach people who have been afk for months
21:30:45 <TrueBrain> I guess if we migrate (which in results means they won't be able to access their email) and not reach out in, say, 3 months, we can safely assume we can remove the mailbox?
21:31:31 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i don't think you need to wait for people who are not even members of github org
21:31:59 <frosch123> if you have not been active for 2.5 years (or 1.5? not sure), then you also do not read your email
21:32:08 <frosch123> so, that leaves planetmaker only?
21:33:50 <TrueBrain> he hasn't checked his mailbox in at least 30 days; but I guess if I just make a new mailbox for him, the email will at least arrive
21:33:56 <TrueBrain> he just won't have access :P
21:34:29 <TrueBrain> when he drops by again, I can setup the forward, and give access to the mailbox if needed
21:35:05 <andythenorth> hmm is my OpenTTD game done? 114 years so far
21:35:29 <TrueBrain> okay, I will just do that this weekend .. as an invalid cert also has some issues with some other systems :D
21:35:39 <TrueBrain> (nothing unresolvable .. but annoying :P)
21:42:03 <frosch123> 2.5 years, i looked it up :) it's so hard to keep track of years
21:43:48 <TrueBrain> especially 2020 .....
21:43:52 <TrueBrain> what a weird year :P
21:44:02 <TrueBrain> I really cannot differentiate between March and tomorrow :P
21:44:49 <frosch123> i have no problem with weekdays and with time of year
21:44:56 <frosch123> but weeks and years are hard :)
21:45:06 <frosch123> they are just repetitions of patterns
21:45:23 <frosch123> i knew we moved to github around easter, but not whether 2018 or 2019
21:47:42 <TrueBrain> https://media.nu.nl/m/l7kxilwalt85_wd640.jpg <- rough translation: "extremely busy in city center; GO HOME!". Dutch people who put ! at the end of sentences is an indication they REALLY mean it .. it is very uncommon to see that on these signs :P
21:47:52 <TrueBrain> people are fucking stupid ... they all went shopping for Black Friday
21:48:19 <TrueBrain> (which ran all week, to add to injury)
21:49:33 <TrueBrain> frosch123: remember that 3 years ago we used FlySpray to review patches ..... can you still imagine that? The horror? :P
21:50:23 <frosch123> oh, i think i stopped reviewing earlier. either people got it right on the first try, i could fix minor issues myself, or there was no point argueing
21:50:43 <TrueBrain> well, that hasn't changed :P
21:51:02 <TrueBrain> I sometimes like reminding myself where we came from, at work, at a project ..
21:51:07 <TrueBrain> so much fun how easily you forget progression
21:51:32 <frosch123> i think there was a time when 3 devs tried to explain people on the forums how to indent with tabs and spaces
21:51:57 <frosch123> but honestly, i never met a good coder who could not indent
21:52:12 <frosch123> so, no indenting skills is an easy early filter
21:52:23 <frosch123> probably also the reason why python is so nice :p
21:53:50 <andythenorth> the general horror of FS :)
21:54:31 <frosch123> you are counting feature requests
21:54:39 <frosch123> we did not have so many bugs :)
21:54:53 <TrueBrain> closing all feature requests did help with that number, yes :D
21:56:37 <andythenorth> I have given up on gardening Github though :D
21:56:50 <TrueBrain> more people have given up on more things :P
21:56:51 <andythenorth> it's just more 10x more fun to make newgrf
21:56:55 <TrueBrain> but that is not the topic of today :)
21:57:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: where is css on that scale? 3x ?
21:57:55 <frosch123> oh, closing issues is more fun than css?
21:57:58 <andythenorth> css is about as appealing as writing raw nfo
21:58:12 <andythenorth> I hate hate hate hate css
21:58:58 <andythenorth> and I can't be arsed to try and explain about LESS or SASS to people who take pride in 'beautifully hand-crafted styles'
21:59:03 <andythenorth> css developers are perverse
21:59:51 <andythenorth> pls implement 'shiny' pixels thanks
21:59:59 <andythenorth> I asked the other day and it STILL isn't done
22:00:11 <Wolf01> irc in vr is nice, you can zoom by moving your head toward the screen
22:00:43 <andythenorth> and have like butterflies and stuff flying around?
22:00:50 <andythenorth> is frosch123 actually a frog in irc?
22:01:19 <frosch123> what do the zombies look like?
22:01:58 <TrueBrain> "you can zoom by moving your head toward the screen" ... did he really just say that?
22:02:06 <TrueBrain> you don't need VR for that silly :P
22:02:55 <frosch123> no, this is the real thing
22:03:03 <frosch123> everything else is vr
22:03:13 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: you made me laugh out loud, tnx for that :D
22:08:41 <andythenorth> hmm, how much cargo sprite randomisation?
22:11:08 <andythenorth> random colours randomise, it's weird randomising cargo too
22:18:55 <frosch123> randomise the cargo income, to annoy players?
22:20:05 <frosch123> make cargo payment depend on day of month, so people have to fine-tune timetables
22:21:05 <andythenorth> quite realistic also
22:21:09 <andythenorth> for so many reasons
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22:38:08 <Wolf01> I should try OpenTTD in vr
22:39:10 <Wolf01> But not today, minecraft killed me :P
22:40:22 * andythenorth finally doing the Steeltown cargo sprites for vehicles
22:40:29 <andythenorth> was kind of the original point :P
22:45:02 <_dp_> I wonder what's worse: openttd in vr or on phone
22:48:37 <Wolf01> The only thing I hope is it doesn't implement teleport movement :>
23:04:19 <milek7> there's that 3d patchset on forums
23:05:48 <milek7> so.. ottd map as VR railroad model thing? :P
23:30:35 <andythenorth> can Eddi|zuHause finish the town grid patch? :P
23:33:58 <glx> internet has some issues for me tonight, can't chat on twitch (but watching is ok), same for discord, but both work when using 4G
23:38:19 <TrueBrain> Owh, shit, I forgot to mute you on here too .. we all agreed on that last week.. oops ... twitch and discord are going to be mad at me now ...
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