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13:04:44 <andythenorth> so I think I mess with station ratings in FIRS
13:04:48 <andythenorth> what's old is new again
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20:04:35 <andythenorth_> so the station rating cb eh
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20:05:07 <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause maybe you want to write some nml? :)
20:05:15 <andythenorth_> for a nice entertainment time
20:06:11 <andythenorth_> hmm what is newagerating?
20:10:57 <andythenorth_> "The bonus for statues, TTDPatch AIs and new vehicles is always in effect, you cannot (yet) change this."
20:11:18 <andythenorth_> the statues are silly yak-shaving
20:11:24 <andythenorth_> and the age thing is just daft
20:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: what kind of nml?
20:16:22 <andythenorth_> the kind that goes into the FIRS compile
20:16:50 <andythenorth_> and modifies station ratings slightly, to remove oddities
20:17:31 <andythenorth_> to be more accurate, I can write the nml, but I'm puzzled about what the algorithm should be
20:18:43 <andythenorth_> time since pickup shouldn't change
20:18:48 <andythenorth_> amount of cargo shouldn't change
20:19:00 <andythenorth_> max speed of vehicle should be sensitive to cargo (and maybe game date)
20:19:34 <andythenorth_> the 10% statute bonus should be nullified, and all results just boosted by 10%
20:19:49 <andythenorth_> age of vehicle is ridiculous and needs replaced
20:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see whether you can even query ther cargo type
20:22:21 <andythenorth_> does the CB not run per cargo?
20:22:26 * andythenorth_ hasn't actually tried it yet
20:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't even say for which feature the the callback is called. i presume "station"?
20:23:24 <frosch123> andythenorth_: i would claim the statue thing is one of the better mechanics in the game
20:23:39 <frosch123> small/med/large ads are silly. but the statues work well
20:24:24 <andythenorth_> it works perfectly
20:24:29 <andythenorth_> it's just really silly :)
20:24:53 <frosch123> if you remove everything, there is nothing left :)
20:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like a rating decay speed, but that's probably more of a daylength thing
20:25:42 <andythenorth_> it's just a mechanic that I really didn't discover until this weekend
20:25:57 <frosch123> so you do not like new stuff :p
20:26:04 <andythenorth_> I feel silly :P
20:26:20 <andythenorth_> we are what we feel?
20:26:24 <andythenorth_> we feel what we are?
20:26:38 <TrueBrain> if it aint round, it must be square!
20:26:55 <andythenorth_> I have been annoyed at ottd station ratings for years
20:27:05 <andythenorth_> no matter what I do, it never stays above about 70%
20:27:12 <andythenorth_> now I learn I've been doing it wrong :P
20:27:44 <TrueBrain> something to make you feel better
20:27:52 <frosch123> andythenorth_: just pretend you played on higer difficulty?
20:28:50 <andythenorth_> an interesting proposal, is there a newsletter?
20:31:36 <andythenorth_> is it a podcast?
20:31:57 <frosch123> it's a daily soap, but text only
20:32:09 <TrueBrain> daily? You have ambitions!
20:32:40 <frosch123> no idea, i have not watched tv for > 10 years
20:32:41 <TrueBrain> happy we all trigger on different words :D
20:32:42 <FLHerne> andythenorth_: I just assume the statues are a proxy for general advertising/presence/name-recognition
20:32:46 <frosch123> are there no longer soaps?
20:33:10 <andythenorth_> I only watch Traffic Cops on TV
20:33:38 <frosch123> the closest i get to tv is when eddi talks about eurovision
20:33:50 <andythenorth_> hmm could a GS just build a statue in every town FOR MY COMPANY?
20:33:57 <FLHerne> andythenorth_: And it keeps the micromanagement enthusiasts busy clicking things, so they can't ask for individual control of signals or timetables that are actually useful :p
20:33:57 <frosch123> then you have to treat eddi like samu
20:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that didn't even happen this year
20:34:31 <frosch123> TrueBrain: the internet will end next monday, excited?
20:35:10 <frosch123> docker pull limits. will it work like that one js library that was removed?
20:35:13 <Eddi|zuHause> corona, probably :p
20:35:24 <TrueBrain> ah, that, yes .. will be interesting
20:35:40 <TrueBrain> I think OpenTTD mitigated most of the issue .. but the libraries are still pulled from Docker Hub itself
20:35:44 <TrueBrain> so it might still go BOOOOOMMMM
20:35:54 <TrueBrain> very curious if they whitelisted GitHub Runner IPs :)
20:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably better that the internet ends monday, because nothing good will happen on tuesday
20:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> or, the rest of the week, really
20:37:27 <TrueBrain> sounds about right, yes
20:37:38 <TrueBrain> I once had to audit all library an existing product used
20:37:41 <TrueBrain> that was .. interesting
20:37:52 <TrueBrain> License issues ofc all over the freaking place
20:37:57 <TrueBrain> but some libraries .... holy crap
20:38:11 <TrueBrain> "why do we use this?" - "dunno, it has always been there"
20:38:15 <TrueBrain> yeah .. fun times ...
20:38:18 <andythenorth_> ok so am I not 'fixing' station ratings then? :P
20:38:28 <andythenorth_> FIRS used to fix them to 100% but I removed that
20:40:25 <frosch123> also, i switched my default websearch to duckduck.
20:40:37 <frosch123> it is actually better when searching python api
20:40:56 <frosch123> google for some reason always puts the python 2.x stuff on first hit
20:41:38 <TrueBrain> I switched too last week :P
20:41:44 <TrueBrain> I do miss the "learning" part
20:41:53 <TrueBrain> Google often knows in the direction I am looking
20:41:56 <TrueBrain> duckduck .. ofc doesn't
20:42:16 <frosch123> duckduck seems to have special handling for python docs, similar to how most websearch have for wikipedia
20:43:22 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yeah, truewiki was then incentive to switch :)
20:43:50 <TrueBrain> what did truewiki do?! :P
20:44:10 <frosch123> it's still mostly vapourware
20:44:51 <TrueBrain> pfff, you can run it yourself!
20:45:06 <frosch123> also, it's funny how factorio really delays 1.1 until they have every bug closed
20:45:30 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i can help in about 10 days :)
20:45:43 <TrueBrain> what happens in 10 days?
20:46:14 <frosch123> i have some days off, to waste on webapps of some silly train game
20:46:26 <TrueBrain> it might already be done by then :P :P
20:46:44 <TrueBrain> testing GitHub integration now .. that really was 10 minutes work .. copy/paste is such an amazing tool
20:46:50 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I have DNS failures .. wuth?
20:46:53 <frosch123> yes, but if you develop things at light speed, time passes faster on the outside
20:47:02 <andythenorth_> frosch123 is TrainWhack getting a wiki? :o
20:47:04 <frosch123> so what is less than 2 weeks for you, is more than 2 weeks for the rest
20:47:12 <andythenorth_> I don't want to discourage, but might be overkill?
20:47:20 <TrueBrain> well, fixing all the wiki pages did took longer than I expected, yes :P
20:47:26 <TrueBrain> debian.org doesn't resolve for me .. oh-oh
20:48:03 <frosch123> andythenorth_: do you mean a wiki page, or a whole wiki with 5k pages on the best trainwhack results?
20:48:31 <frosch123> did the junctionary inspire you to do whackionary?
20:48:52 <TrueBrain> hmm .. seems only inside my Docker DNS all of a sudden fails ..
20:50:31 <andythenorth_> there needs to be a page about tactics
20:50:46 <andythenorth_> and how browser refresh rate affects scores
20:51:42 <TrueBrain> hmm, WSL2 issue it seems .. their DNS redirect stopped working
20:53:11 <frosch123> andythenorth_: are trains agents though?
20:54:42 <TrueBrain> w00p, Docker starts by first checking out the gollum-test-data, and starts the server after :D I might want to add some storage here on AWS, to speed up this process :P
20:55:43 <TrueBrain> guess tomorrow we will get this to staging :)
20:57:46 <TrueBrain> owh, stdout is not flushed .. I had a fix for that I think .. hmm .. things to do :P
20:58:29 <frosch123> in ruby i used stderr instead :p
20:59:16 <TrueBrain> it is scary how much copy/pasting I am doing, and it still works
20:59:22 <TrueBrain> hopefully the editing part will also be this easy :P
21:02:27 <TrueBrain> I also hope wikitextparser accepts my PRs soon, or fixes them another way .. would resolve a few rendering issues :D
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21:05:12 <TrueBrain> and reload of storage works too .. \o/
21:05:21 <TrueBrain> does require a hook on your repo for it to become useful, but details :)
21:05:26 <TrueBrain> anyway, that is enough for tonight .. :P
21:19:03 <andythenorth_> frosch123 trains are modalities
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22:55:40 * andythenorth_ draws other modalities
22:57:29 <frosch123> are you a drawing agent?
23:06:28 <andythenorth_> I input and output drawings
23:07:00 <andythenorth_> I have just drawn 4% of a ship
23:16:22 <TrueBrain> One of the two is delayed at least :p
23:18:14 <TrueBrain> (The one we don't care about at all, ofc)
23:23:38 <FLHerne> Why 0x7b? That excludes a few valid ASCII chars, like ~ and |
23:25:30 <FLHerne> If I understand correctly, it assumes that \xx is always valid ASCII, but \FF or so wouldn't be
23:26:16 <FLHerne> It also doesn't handle the \t and \n escapes that NML supposedly supports, but those would be ASCII
23:26:34 <frosch123> \n should be translated to \r
23:26:48 <frosch123> linebreak in ttd/ttdp/ottd is #13
23:27:28 <frosch123> well, probably it uses {} anyway, and no \n :)
23:28:00 <FLHerne> This is also used on string literals that never end up as in-game strings, like grfids and track labels :-/
23:28:51 <FLHerne> I think possibly it's trying to do two different things and neither of them right...
23:28:58 <frosch123> that's unnecessary :) those are uint32 to ottd
23:29:21 <FLHerne> That's what I thought
23:35:18 <FLHerne> I guess I need to dig into the code more and find out exactly who's using it for what
23:38:30 <frosch123> FLHerne: i also wonder why it needs that is_ascii check for in-game strings... it could just always use utf-8
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