IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-10-06
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12:01:28 <TrueBrain> clearly we should support basesets and NewGRFs on our installation too :P
12:01:31 <TrueBrain> as we have the peeps
12:17:27 <andythenorth> all those FIRS translations I've orphaned :P
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15:58:21 * andythenorth considers ripping the bandage off
15:58:28 <andythenorth> and blackening newgrf python
15:58:43 <andythenorth> enough life has been spent moving spaces around
16:03:02 <andythenorth> fuck me that's more readable generally
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17:09:38 <supermop_Home> hi andythenorth
17:11:14 <supermop_Home> congrats on horse
17:11:55 <supermop_Home> haven't played any in a couple months so sorry for lack of feedback/ etc
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19:51:57 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:59:31 <TrueBrain> msys still down? Holy crap ... Microsoft, fix your vcpkg plzzzzzz
20:00:09 <TrueBrain> Linux is also failing :(
20:00:12 <TrueBrain> LordAro: saaaadddddd
20:00:21 <TrueBrain> not your fault, from what I can tell ... apt fails ..
20:00:32 <TrueBrain> ah, there is no apt update first ..
20:01:21 <TrueBrain> the Windows action also fails with a very verbose error: "Error: Last command execution failed with error code '1'."
20:02:15 <TrueBrain> vcpkg did patch their system
20:02:24 <TrueBrain> maybe glx knows what to fix now :)
20:03:09 <TrueBrain> 4 mirrors are china, 1 is russian .. there are 7 mirrors
20:03:14 <TrueBrain> should we be worried?
20:06:13 <TrueBrain> LordAro: apt-get update && apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends
20:06:21 <TrueBrain> that is what I normally use when I want to install apt-something in an automated way
20:54:46 <andythenorth> sorry for being dense, but how does the black pipeline work for our projects?
20:54:57 <andythenorth> is it a post-commit code format?
20:55:05 <andythenorth> or does it just fail CI if you don't match black?
20:55:15 <TrueBrain> a human post-commit, and CI :)
20:55:44 <andythenorth> so far I am thinking I just apply it manually occasionally
20:55:58 <andythenorth> can't see an integration for my editor, and can't see how else to run it
20:56:52 <TrueBrain> that is what I do :)
20:56:59 <TrueBrain> "occasionally" being every commit
20:57:02 <TrueBrain> mostly after I made the PR
20:58:23 <frosch123> there are projects, which run code formatters on PRs and force push them back.
20:59:05 <frosch123> but that does not apply to the single-auther case without PRs :)
20:59:37 <frosch123> andythenorth: it also removes a metric for judging the code quality :)
20:59:56 <andythenorth> I am dubious about auto code formatting
21:00:05 <andythenorth> but I have spent enough life doing it manually, I am bored of it
21:00:23 <frosch123> "dubious" about what? are you worried it breaks your code?
21:00:30 <TrueBrain> why do something yourself if a computer can do it ..
21:00:49 <TrueBrain> that "ego" part has little place in development :)
21:00:50 <andythenorth> I am dubious about programming without learning abut readability
21:01:23 <frosch123> ah, don't worry. code formatter won't name your variables properly :)
21:01:59 <andythenorth> the rest of it, all the linebreaks and whitespace indenting blah blah
21:02:06 <andythenorth> I could happily never touch again
21:02:17 <TrueBrain> so stop touching it already
21:02:22 <TrueBrain> you really already spend too much words on it
21:02:23 <andythenorth> I installed black and ran it
21:02:45 <andythenorth> I am preparing to try and win a debate somewhere else
21:03:07 <andythenorth> you are practice :P
21:03:23 <andythenorth> debate practice, how Trump got covid :|
21:03:36 <frosch123> andythenorth: ah, in that case: only use code formatters to format code
21:03:51 <frosch123> as nml and eints show: data tables are not code :p
21:04:00 <TrueBrain> he is now immune, who knows!
21:04:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: did he even have it?
21:05:10 <frosch123> i already wondered when that brazilian guy was reported to have it... it's also convenient to say "i survived it easily"
21:05:16 <TrueBrain> it was fake news .. just media ..
21:05:43 <glx> TrueBrain: ah vcpkg still fails for the same reason, but I think it's because we rely on the installed vcpkg and don't try to get latest version
21:05:45 <frosch123> the russian guy is probably too strong to even get it :)
21:06:24 <andythenorth> I wondered about data tables, but I didn't find any I made
21:06:41 <andythenorth> mostly just lots of lists, which blackening improves
21:07:38 <andythenorth> dunno if it's good
21:07:50 <frosch123> xmllint has a pretty-printer
21:08:03 <frosch123> but it probably only works for proper xml, not for templates and stuff
21:15:47 <andythenorth> I wrote some proper xml once
21:16:04 <TrueBrain> then you spend a year in a clinic recovering? :D
21:21:57 <andythenorth> I am more resilient than that
21:22:04 <andythenorth> I went home after 2 days and gave a speech
21:22:07 <FLHerne> Once I read an entire textbook on how to write proper XML, while on a plane to New York
21:22:21 <FLHerne> When I got home, I implemented the thing in not-XML :p
21:22:22 <andythenorth> I had an O'Reilly book about it
22:56:02 <andythenorth> is this now just one of those settled issues?
22:56:22 <andythenorth> or will it run forever, like 'which editor' debate?
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22:56:27 <frosch123> sometimes problems shift :)
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22:56:58 <andythenorth> I long ago settled on automated validation of output
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22:57:03 <andythenorth> despite initial opposition
22:57:47 <andythenorth> we have 2 rules for work code formatting
22:57:50 <andythenorth> 1. format how you think best
22:57:59 <andythenorth> 2. don't waste time arguing other people's formats
22:58:11 <andythenorth> 1 without 2 is a total train wreck
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